Don Canon On Eminem VS. Jay-Z | NEW RORY & MAL
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People don't understand how big Em is internationally, and people need to Understand hip hop doesn't start and end in the USA
I thought it did start in USA.
@@rsonarmadaify People try to sound too smart sometimes.
Usually I don’t mind people shitting on the USA , but Hip Hop does start and does end in the USA bogus clown , even artist outside of the USA come to make it here in the USA .
Unmm it actually started in the USA tho
@@THEDOORIZCLOSED nah… let him be wrong
Canon gave the best, most nuanced & objective take on this debate I've seen thus far. I appreciate hearing an industry insider's perspective.
Im from Africa (Namibia)...seriously for 15 years I've never heard a Jay-Z song playing but Eminem is all over..stores, in the background of restaurants, bars, in people's cars...He is wayyy bigger globally!
Windhoek and Welvvis Bay are beautiful
Same in Ethiopia
Namibia... Okay bro.
@@biniboy8821 lies.
@@activistbook3809Looks like someone's mad
You know what else is crazy? The fact that Eminem has sold records to a point that he competes with pop stars as far as sales go yet people will mention that his fan base is not the core hip hop audience, isn’t that what influence is about? Isn’t influence measured by how your impact can go beyond your reach?
Em sells more than pop stars. He's in the top 10 of all Artist of every musical genre. The pop stars ur thinking of are not even in the conversation with sales.
Win comment !
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Niggas that don’t even like hiphop like Eminem what does that really say?😭
Rory face 😂… this was refreshing. I heard it when it dropped and I listen to every episode and I was picturing Rory face just like that 😂
“Same” is a good answer to be real
Canon put it perfectly. Jay Z has way more impact on the culture (black culture) and Em is more world wide not to say Jay isn't world wide but Em's numbers don't lie he got like 2 or 3 diamond albums and all the others are multi platinum. A lot of white kids in this world and to a lot he's their goat
This is tru. Jays impact on american black culture. Em is more streamed and known in africa tho
@@matthewbonner100 that’s because foreigners won’t understand a majority of what Jay raps about. All the nuances are not understood on first listen. Jay go over ppl’s head because his lyrics are not obvious. Therefore a lot of Americans with low iq and foreigners who’s first language is not English will think he’s overrated.
I think I agree with this. Both amazing artists.
@@ArtisanWindchimes 😂😂 you don’t even know what you are saying.
Not just white kids. Im south east asian and its thanks to eminem that me and my friends discovered hiphop because Lose Yourself and Till I Collapse was playing at all the gyms we went to
Sorry but em Eminem's worldwide impact is on another level.
It doesn't matter to core Hip Hop fans. Eminem doesn't have nearly the impact for the people who actually matter and set the trends in Hip Hop. The tastemakers and historians who know this culture inside and out wouldn't mention Eminem in the same breath as Jay Z and that is a fact. Vanilla ice was a terrible rapper and I can assure that he still probably gets more love in other countries than Rakim and other legends. 'International' recognition isn't a factor to the people who KNOW Hip Hop. Foreigners will always prefer 'white faces'. That's just the world we live in.
@@onyxonyx4744nobody care about 50 million so called hard core rapper fan they don't compere with the billions people around the world
@@bossguyo6424 Those billions of people aren't good judges of rap
@@Python-xs2iv hhhhhhh but they are the one who is buying any album even Jay z
@@bossguyo6424 So what?
Eminem has impacted the entire globe. Jay Z is just big in the US
Yeah but hip hop culture comes from US tho so he impact hip hop more but em has helped expand hip hop globally but not actually impact hip hop as much it’s a difference
He’s been hearing that too if you listen to the end of that verse on the Grammy Sunday night. And he feels like telling you to shut up like Farrakhan would” 🤷🏾♂️
@@jordanalford4410 eminem is the only reason hiphop expanded globally like that. expanding the rap game is a huge impact.
stop trying to take away from what he has done. many of your favourite rappers aspire him and got influenced by him.
Hes been here for so long and 100% did more than any other rapper ever did. Everyone on Planet earth knows him for a reason. Not other Rappers, but him.
@@zcanyWhat the hell are you talking about? Hip hop was global before Eminem was ever thought about. Snoop was doing 800,000 first week in 93. Remember Em is white and appeals to people who don’t like black rappers. So what exactly did he expand?
@@wildhearts242 Go and so some research. Your point is just full on based on race. Snoop didnt expand as massively as Eminem because of HipHop. Snoop is known as the weed smoker. Thats what people worldwide know him for. Eminem is known for HipHop. Eminem still outsells Snoop in every way possible worldwide. Snoop cant compare to him and what Eminem did worldwide.
Eminem Definitely Has A Bigger Impact On Hip Hop, HANDS DOWN! Over 200 Million Albums Sold, SOLD OUT Arenas That Hold 60k-80k In Attendance. More Singles Sold, More Streaming Numbers, D-12, Slaughter House, 8 Mile Movie/ Soundtrack, More Spotify Monthly Listeners, Most Influential Artist Of The 2000’s-10’s-20’s….. The List Goes On! Nobody Can Complete With Eminem Besides Himself.
That’s not impact though. Impact would be Jay-Z with the yankee hat. Or when everyone was drinking cristal champagne or Kanye with the back pack and shades
that just proves he's a popular artist. No impact or influence detected. That's like saying Zoe Saldana is the best actor of all time because she's the only person with (four) $1 billion dollar movies. Her impact on cinema must be huge right?
@@gumball5024 How Many TOP Rappers Emulate Eminem? How Many TOP Rappers Stated On Record That Eminem Was Their Influence? Kendrick, Cole, Joyner, Hopsin, NF, Tech9, MGK. You Talking A Bout A Yankee Hat? I’m Talking About Pushing The Culture. Opening Doors. Pushing Boundaries & Breaking Records Lol Jay-Z Was NEVER The Top Rapper Of ANY Year.
@@countremy730 Terrible Analogy. Eminem Is One Person. Not A Production, Organization Nor A Company. A Movie Takes Dozens Of Actors To Make It Work. Eminem SAVED Dr Dre’s Career, Put 50 Cent On. Shade 45 Has Been The Staple For Hip Hop For 17 Years & Eminem Owns That. Jay-z Can’t Even Sell Out A Stadium, Not Even At Madison Square Garden. Do Y’all Research. I’m Stating ACTUAL Facts & All Y’all Spouted Was Your Opinions. Jay-z Doesn’t Come Close To The IMPACT, INFLUENCE OR CAREER As Marshall Matthers.
@@730_Promise it's a very good analogy it just hurt your feeling very badly. So much so that you had to lie about Jayz not selling out MSG which he did multiple times and in one day none the less. Hot 97 has been a bigger staple for over 30 years and Jay put on Kanye which out sold 50 cent. Big Deal. Your fake news "facts" seem to range from meaningless to flat out lies..
I honestly feel like Rory & Mal respect Em, when before I think it was more how salty Joe was towards Em so as his friend and business partner they were just looking out.
I disagree they hate Em and try to throw shots on him almost in every ep. And any other opinion that they don't like from whoever they just laugh as if they know better. But I undertsand, mentioning Em means more views. (Me for example)
In the U.K. I still hear Eminem playing everywhere, in peoples cars, on the radio, in shops you can walk around a city centre and you will eventually hear Eminem, even in the Netherlands you always hear Eminem playing in coffeeshops you don’t hear Jay z unless it’s That one with Alecia keys 😂
Bahaha. White people think the world is white. I’m in the Uk - in black areas we don’t play Eminem ….
@@activistbook3809 Everything isn’t about race this isn’t America
@@310lvp ?? You're not black. The UK is racist af. Thanks for illustrating that point.
@@activistbook3809 You seem to be deluded
Jay has had sold out European tours. He's made his impact over there. And Jay has influenced PLENTY of Uk rappers.
Luda is definitely on every barber shop😆
Jay Z is like the Tim Duncan of rap. Never was the best but was the most consistent
Em & Hov are the Rock and Stone Cold of rap
That’s a fact.. the rock being Hov and stone cold being Em.. cuz the rock was flashy, he was about the money chasing different things in his career and he was braggadocio ..like Hov in a sense ..to where stone cold only cared about the art. He came to raise hell and kick ass. He wasn’t flashy. He was damn near redneck southern style Mf..and Mr Mchman, the owner of WWF/WWE said recently in an interview with Jim Ross on podcast that “The rock was very electrifying and he appeared to be the best wrestler at times with the best characterstics and fan favorite but Stone cold is the most viewed wrestler ever from WWF.. and that’s based on nights that he was a main event on raw or when he was the main event on a PPV compared to the other guys. He sold the most tickets. That reminds me of Em.. he just wants to rap.. he doesn’t want a liquor deal or buy a team or do anything that is not related to hiphop. He got his own radio station that is a staple in HipHop.. he raps. He signs lyricists only. N he wants to bite your head off. He came in this game battle rapping. Kicking ass like stone cold.
Idk why but I always thought of Eminem as the rap Mick Foley
No
Ironically in your comparison, Em is the Rock, Stone Cold is Jay Z. Em is worldwide.
That’s a good one..
Still wild he says cris lol. Luda that dude. But didn't expect that.
Em doesn’t need “the culture”. Em is culture.
That makes no sense
Em is part of the culture, if it weren't for the culture he wouldn't be Eminem. Also don't let people on the hate bandwagon get you confused, the actual skilled rappers in HipHop rate Eminem highly and give Em respect.
Lmao…no
What culture is Eminem? Online incels? Potential School Shooters that get no bunz? Foreigners that casually listen to Hip Hop and like Em b/c he raps fast and has a white face???
@@onyxonyx4744 Dang you just dissed Kendrick Lamar, Jcole, Jay Z, 50 Cent, Andre 3000, half of the battle rap scene, Nas, Rakim and of bunch of other highly respected hiphop artists by calling them those things for holding Em in high regard and expressing how important he is in the culture.
Eminem 20 times more impactful the Hov
Eminem is 20x more impactful than Hov to people in the suburbs and foreigners. When it comes to the people who make Hip Hop 'tick'. It's not even close. Jay has always and will always matter' more.
😂 🥛 people
I remember playing ball with Cannon on fair street in Atlanta. Before the fame. Cool guy
Mal the thickest vegan ever and Rory built like Elmo
Facts always come up to eminem first for hiphop debate isn't that make him the GOAT!
50 always speaks facts
I think Jay Z’s impact is more niche than Em’s. When you list the amount of artist that Em has influenced, and his hand in one of the most impactful hip hop media platforms (sway) and then talk about how Jay had people dressing a way for that short period, and targeting auto tune (something essential in hip hop today so clearly his anti auto tune rhetoric had no impact), I don’t see how this is as nuanced as Don is making it. I think that Jay is the best at what he does, but being the best doesn’t mean being the most impactful.
The difference is you CAN'T count how many rappers Jay has influenced b/c it's basically EVERYONE post '96. He's your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. Eminem himself even said he was influenced by Jay lol. Jay influenced the INFLUENCERS. Lil' Wayne, Drake, Kanye, Kendrick, Cole, Dipset, The Lox, Fabolous, Pusha T and basically every street rapper that has gotten respect has sited Jay as an influence! Rocafella as a label and RocNation management have been extremely influential in the careers of countless rappers. Let's not talk about how every rapper has a clothing line, liquor and sneakers because of the blueprint that Jay and Dame built. Stop it. There's a lot for you to learn about Jay's impact on Rap. Eminem is NOT more impactful to the core of Hip Hop than Jay. It's not even close. Casual listeners who like fast rapping but can't understand nuance and depth in writing will of course prefer Eminem. They don't know half of what Jay is even talking about. It has to be broken down for them. PLUS European features are more celebrated in this world and you know it. Being 'white' simply is an advantage and we would be ignorant to deny this.
@@onyxonyx4744 the roc nation point is a good one, really is your only valid one.
1. Half of the artist you named also have admitted to be influenced by em, when you play the influence derivative game, you take away credit from other artist, so I’m not rocking with that point. (Edit- like bro you naming Drake like his primary influences arent Wayne and Kanye, giving jayz the credit for Drake is just taking away the magnitude of what Drake and Wayne did, not to say that Jay didn’t influence the artist, but your giving him more credit than he deserves with the “influencing the influencer” bs, cus in that case we can just say that grandmaster flash is the greatest influencer ever right? No that would be ridiculous)
2. There’s a lot for YOU to learn about if you think the casual listener of hip hop cares about fast rapping/Eminem
3. I already said Jay z was the best no need for you to explain Rap, on a surface level at that
4. You saying that Jay Z has more of a Core influence just reiterates the point I was making in the first place.
5. Moving your whole argument to the “Core” is just moving the goal post
6. You bringing up him being white like that’s not already a given the privilege it gives him.
Get rid of your bias
I’d say Ems impact is more niche.
Nah. Im 36. Em had a massive international impact. All races and ages
Honestly I’m probably the only one who thinks Jay-Z is overrated. It’s some songs I do like tho. However, I feel like if Biggie was still alive people wouldn’t be talking about Jay like they do now.
No you are not the only one like that’s why when i hear them start talking about hov i fast forward because when they were talking about the jay vs Wayne verzuz i was pissed i feel Wayne would legit smoke like some lox vs dipset shit but hey
@@goldiesworld2095 Wayne would smoke Hov in a Verzuz but they have New York bias
@@Jeyapollo like it will be a bad day for hov fans if they do that i hope they do
I been saying hov overrated.... i remember when Eminem recovery won over Blueprint 3..I said I hope its not cause he's white. Then I listed to them back to back but Recovery was better. I'm black if you're wondering
You're not the only 1 by far. Lol.
No disrespect to Jay. He's had great longevity & a hellava run of albums.
But, I definitely think the early passing of Biggie & Big L, helped Jay out cause he kinda filled that role &, their fan bases. (And also took a lot of Biggies bars. Lol)
Nas kinda slid for a minute too, which helped keep Jay as nyc's #1.
He's a smart businessman, ya gotta give him that. & he's definitely had impact but he's not in my top 10. But I don't hate on anyone who puts him in theirs.
I'm am older head, so I still got Cube & Scarface in my personal top 5, with Nas, Em & Wutang always gets a slot. (My list)
But, I'll take Busta, Tunechi, 3k, Jada before Hov. And again, no hate involved.
It's all subjective. Listen to what hits you sonically & internally.
Well he said the gay painter comment because he's bothered that Jay made it sound like Eminem wanting 50 to join him at the Super Bowl was a burden. I think Eminem has more influence/impact on individual rappers/artists. Jay has more of a general impact on the culture as a whole
🇿🇦 Eminem undoubtedly changed Hip-Hop globally
Eminem has always paid homage and recognised that there’s a difference between mainstream and within the culture. He cares about the hiphop world, he’s a hiphop nerd, he and his content is true to himself and doesn’t reflect the experiences of black culture but his skills and craft is a product of the culture. He’s respected as an MC by his peers. No one serious thinks he isn’t an elite MC and lyricist - even if they don’t enjoy it artistically. Those skills are the product of black culture and black people who gave him a platform. Eminem constantly explains this himself. He isn’t bigger than Jay in the culture and listen to White America and he explains why he’s bigger in the mainstream.
Em by far, anybody who disagrees lives under a giant Yankee hat
People really confuse bigger artist with bigger impact. Eminem didn't move the culture, he moved HIMSELF. Saying you don't know who Jay-z OR Eminem is just means you don't Hip-Hop. If Eminem had really impacted the culture then more lyrical rappers would be selling millions of records but they're not.Hip hop moved more towards Artists starting their own labels and brands like Hov. Eminem's biggest artist is 50 Cent who doesn't have a lyrically bone is his body while People don't know who Royce Da 5'9 is and Royce has been with Eminem since day 1!!! But if you know Jay then you know Kanye, Rihanna, J Cole etc. As well as rappers he's influenced like Wayne, Drake, Nicki, Kendrick etc. It's not even close.. 50 will say that Eminem had a bigger impact when 50 himself didnt even follow Eminem's blueprint.... HE FOLLOWED HOV'S.
World wide its eminem without question
Jay has more of an influence of the curation of Hip Hop which starts here in America. He has more of an influence of the 'pulse'/core of Hip Hop than Eminem does. And this is FAR more important because America is still the leader in Hip Hop culture. Fans that can't name one KRS 1 song and are overall casual listeners don't really matter to people who live and breathe Hip Hop. MOST Eminem fans fit this criteria and that includes foreigners.
@@onyxonyx4744 without these foreigners your fav rappers would be either dead, in jail or selling crack in the streets.
I think without both Em and Jay hip-hop would be years behind. Jay with his two albums with R Kelly, the album with Linkin Park (brought in different genres) and making 10 or 20 black millionaires and Em bringing a lot of new fans into hip-hop and taking hip-hop to new markets globally.
And 50… gotta say it cause people always forget 50 when it comes to Em’s accolades and that’s a HUGE contribution to the culture. Along with producing and making beats for 50, Lloyd banks (his biggest hits and alot of his first album), Tony, and even gave buck 1
Em made black millionaires too. What a dumb aspect of an argument
@@BurnieISgod666 No one said he didn't.
*50 Cent always right tho 😌*
50 is wrong quite a bit lol. The man has a disgusting relationship with his eldest son. That speaks volumes as to what kind guy he is.
Globally Eminem is bigger than hiphop in general. Some people only listen to Eminem and no other hiphop. Em is amazing, but I'd rather listen to Jay.
Em in the thumbnail
They are wearing shoes in the house, if it is a house?
No shoes in any house. Craaaazy
If we want to talk about to influence then let’s talk about it. Em is the best selling rap artist. Em made it cool for white kids to rap. Em made 8 Mile, putting the spot light on battle rap. Em invented the term Stan which is still used to this day. Em revived Dre’s career and helped jumpstart Aftermath records.Em blew up 50 and the whole G Unit along with him. Em brought out D12. Em pushed Slaughterhouse and Griselda, the moat hardcore rap groups ever. Em shouted all the legendary rappers out on the Grammies. Jay on the other hand had people drinking crystal lol. Jay did bring us State Property and Kanye, I guess you can throw in Memphis Bleek too. I don’t know how much influence he had on J Cole being this big, but I’ll give him that. Jay just had a bunch of business ventures and a relationship with Beyonce that’s pretty much it.
Lmaoo that’s a very intellectually dishonest assessment
I think people need to stop pretending Eminem has only white fans. If you like a certain type of hiphop then I can understand you would not gravitate as much to Eminem. Eminem speaks on more universal topics that are relatable to any race and that is also a reason why he is internationally more known. Yes you can say other people cannot understand what Jay Z raps about since it is very much about black american culture. But i dont see how that puts Jay on a higher position. You could also argue that makes Jay less relatable since he is only actually relatable to a small population. I think what people always try to make it is that only black american opinions matter on hiphop, but being black does not automatically validate your opinion over someone else. hiphop knowledge of people of other color might be way more advanced than some of the black americans.
Hes huge in africa. Predominantly black country.
I'm from Nigeria you guys don't know how big Eminem is out here…eminem is the most recognize rapper out here
Em does ..people always mention jay z smh lol
I looked at the transcript for this and I didn't see the word "nobody"
Why don't people cherish the fact that 2pac, Jay ,Dre ,Em , 50 and Snoop are most likely the reason that HIP HOP is No1 genre worldwide and try to discredit one artist to praise another? other genres of music like Rock don't have to release another album and they become legends touring worldwide with the same songs for 30-40 years. Whether you like it or not Em is a legend and one of the most influential, he might not make music that resonates with the hood apart from few early songs but don't act like he ain't saying anything from trauma to relatioships, from addiction to recovery to fun and stupid records to commercial and stadium anthems to rappity rap songs.
Don't put jay z up there with those guys. Jay z is not on that level
All facts. I was in Cape Town, South Africa last summer and Eminem, 50 Cent, and G-Unit were in steady rotation while I was there. I think it is more of a Def Jam thing as many of Jays early records weren’t pushed heavily internationally. However, Interscope had a big presence overseas.
You're wrong...people here in South Africa grew up on Jay and he's been in rotation but we didn't ignore Eminem just cause hes white. We appreciated his art too and His vulnerability
@@lesegom7172 Jay gets played in Hip hop settings only... 50 and Em, it's everywhere...
Definitely not a Def Jam thing...
@@muleyamwiinga3988 I've never heard anyone say put that Jay on
Stop on!! There's a whole world outside the US and Em definitely has the bigger impact worldwide than Jay.
But his impact isn't bigger where it actually COUNTS and that's the US. Why do you think Em cries and bitches and moans on every album about 'critics'? Because HE knows the respect of the core of the culture MEANS more. That core is in the US.
@@onyxonyx4744 His ''critics'' aren't only in America. You so called ''hip hop heads'' only know how to hate. Em is appreciated way more worldwide than in America.
@@behh3965 Because he’s white. That’s the biggest issue people never want to admit or if they do, they marginalize the significance
@@behh3965That's cause most countries he impacts don't know anything about hip hop. Since they only know Eminem, they have nothing to compare it to so they just default to saying Eminem is the best.
Bro, people can hate on Em as much as they want but, Em's number globally dont speak for itself. Jay only bigger to people who live in their own bubble.
Facts
They hate him so much lol. Eminem lives rent free in their minds. They can't accept the fact that a white guy made a bigger impact in hip-hop than their beloved hov
Jay matters more where it counts. And that is to the people who set the trends and or the tone in Rap culture. Eminem would even tell you this. It's actually obvious. No one cares if people in Yugoslavia don't play Jay Z lol.
Anytime you appeal to the commercial masses you're going to see more recognition. Not Em's fault but he was the door for a lot of kids that we're not fucking with hip-hop because they thought it wasn't for "them"
Eminem >>>> Jay
♠️✌🏽
They’re mistaking popularity for influence. Being more popular, globally, doesn’t mean you’re the most influential figure.
Eminem >>>>>>
Outside Em is bigger than Drake, YE, Jay, NAS, Wayne, Kendrick, COLE combined. Most of their fans outside Us also started listing to these other artists because of EM. AMERICANS really need to look outside their little bubbles. It ain't 80's or 90's hiphop, it's the biggest genre in the world Thanks to Eminem for opening up the flood gates. An average non american/ non black guy doesn't relate to what most of the black artists rap about but EM is different, from comedic songs, satire, horror core, family problems, depression to straight up lyrical slaughter, storytelling and motivational songs. HE HAS IT ALL. Comparing Jay to Em is insanity and black Americana bias at its worst
That's an awful argument
Shitty statement
Jay Z's impact is huge on Americans, specifically black Americans.. Eminem it's everyone from anywhere and everywhere
I have been around hip-hop since it started. I don't care what anyone says, Eminem is the best rapper out. Lyrically Jay-Z cannot touch Eminem.
Lyrically yes but Jay has better albums. And is a better business man.
Kanye & Rhianna came from Hov crib 😂
50 cent can like Hov without constantly worshipping Hov like y'all R&M do tho lol, a slick shot here and there ain't really nothing.
The problem is it's almost ALWAYS a 'slick shot'. 50 doesn't need to worship anyone but he doesn't need to hate either. He's jealous and bitter that he doesn't get the sam level of respect that Jay does.
Jay is the blueprint and Em is a rapper and a dope one at that. Jay is our culture. He’s given us so much jewels and he’s birthed so many.
Agree. Idk why they making this difficult. Jays impact on the culture is way more impactful in so many ways
Nobody cares about Jay Z out here on the West Coast unfortunately. You never hear anyone talk about him out here
@@ldope3904 Lie. So you know everyone in the entire west coast? It's ok if you don't like him, but to tell this lie is ridiculous
No.
I understand whole debate on culture.
But this topic clearly about who more impactfull in the world not i the hood.
@@ldope3904 Writing Still DRE is proof that’s false.
Eminem has brought his whole life for his part of hip hop culture, it's going to be different, But Eminem has globally Impacted hip hop ..
NO FUCKING WAY is Eminem more important to hip hop as a whole like jay z...no way
Love the podcast u should have left that joe podcast
At end of the day Black folks within the Hip-Hop circle will never be ok with the fact that Em has put Hip-Hop on the map worldwide
I have to agree.
I’m not from the States and people forget that Hip Hop is global. Pac, Em and 50 have the greatest impact globally and that’s facts!
No one forgets. We just don't care in the states. The US dictates the culture and you all follow us. You care what WE think not the other way around.
@@onyxonyx4744Okay, but at least respect what these artists have done
Jay had a far bigger reach on the culture than Em. I can’t believe this is even a debate. Eminem has the same fanbase as Trump and Britney Spears lol.
Exactly. It's embarrassing that this is even a discussion. A bunch of foreigners and suburbanites that don't know Hip Hop aren't impacting anything lol
Jay did look like that painter
Eminem!!
Im over people always trying to pit 2 greats against each other just to get the 2 fandoms to fight. I’m a big admirer of both artists and they’re both artists that I listen to everyday. Is Em more popular in the world? Yes. But Jay has transcended from not just being the most consistent rapper in the booth but a mogul as well. Em to me is MJ and Jay is Prince or Vice Versa. I would say Ems a better rapper. Jays a better artist/businessman. They both 🐐s PERIOD.
Rory & Mal gritting teeth not liking its easy Eminem who has had more of an impact being Budden’ ex - cheerleaders hating on Em!!
Bottom line is Crawford was a goofball to voice what feels,his "opinion " and phrase it as if it's factual
Impact on Hip Hop culture not on casuals. Jay-Z, hands down. Commerce is not culture.
Em my favorite rapper. I wouldn't care if he no impact. Still my favorite. But if I'ma debate his influence was huge. Most rappers sounded like him in the 2000s. Kendrick. Cole etc. Now hov did have a hand in some of the best artists ever. Kanye Rihanna Cole again. It's apple to oranges. Also em is white and he gets hated crazy because of that. Who would of thought
Canon kept it a bean
But Canon also left out quite a bit on Jay's side. It's not really close. Jay's impact on Hip Hop culture is significantly more if we are talking about where things are created and trends are set. Em is more impactful to casual listeners who know little to nothing about Hip Hop and its history. That's it.
Death of autotune did nothing
Absolutely nothing
Tell me? Tell what crown Jay Z ever held? He’s never had the hottest album for a year EVER. He was always outshined infact so outshined by everyone around him from Big L to Biggie to DMX to 50 to Nas from stealing songs from other artists like Payroll - Never Change. It’s that Ether, shxt that makes his soul burn slow.
Even his “classic” albums are garbage “Ain’t no Nxgga” is the worst song on any supposedly classic album I’ve ever heard.
Worse than Braveheart party on stillmatic?
The Black Album is considered the best hip hop album of 2003
@@pandabear1576 great album but get rich by 50 is better
@@merthalilsofu2238 that’s your opinion which I won’t argue with but most people do not agree with you. The Black Album has always been held in a higher regard in hip hop album rankings from black and white Americans alike
Blueprint?
Eminem washes Jay in every category regarding rap
That's a lie
@@joerogers7129 name some he don't
@Don Checo What dose it matter who I name you don't know any of them
😂 what does that mean? You stated it was a lie that in every category of rap/lyricism em is better than j.
Name aspects of rap/lyricism Jay is superior. I'm curious if you can back your claims or you just disagree because of personal preference.
@@Mexecho Em is a better lyricist than Jay Z especially when it comes to rhyming but I believe Jay Z makes better songs In my opinion either way they both goats
People over hype jayz to me but it’s all opinions i guess but i feel em and Wayne is better than jay z
If you keep it straight up hood/U.S J wins, when you go international Em wins hands down.
Wayne has had the biggest impact on the culture of you look at how rap is today
And Wayne was HEAVILY influenced by Jay.
Wayne is a child of Jay’s. So much so he has a verse of Jays tattooed on his arm.
Jay Z did his part in hippop. He carried the torch to eminem. Eminem carried it to lil wayne, and lil wayne carried it to drake. Drake is still young but in 10-20 more years he will be talked about the same way. Im not trying to over shadow kendrick or cole though
As someone who has lived in Southern Africa and Europe, I can confirm that Em is waaaaaay better than Jay.. In fact, Jay is only known by Jay fans, serious hip hop heads and Beyonce fans. The Beyonce fans constitute the most of his fame...
Comments like this are why we don't take foreigners opinions serious. Jay was already a MOGUL before he met Beyonce what are you talking about? If anything SHE benefitted for being with HIM. 'Serious Hip Hop' heads. Glad you acknowledged that Jay fans actually KNOW about the culture so their opinions would of course matter more than a bunch of white suburbanites and foreigners who would need Jay's bars explained to them in order to 'get it' lol
@@onyxonyx4744 Jay is known because he is seen as uniquely talented as a rapper. Reaching consistent levels of greatness few have actually achieved by being great and it just a niche.
To marginalize Jay being “ known by seriously hip hop heads “ is corny.
Fact is, Beyoncé received a major co-sign by Jay and helped launch her career. Eminem fans, are less respectful of the genre of rap music than Jay fans.
Biggest internationally is 50 cent or lil wayne
Eminem is bigger than jay z period!
Yep but he is DEFINITELY not better. Jay also matters more to the core of the culture. You know the people who actually set the trends and continue to curate it.
@@onyxonyx4744 Eminem is better than jay z lyrically ,bar for bar, but jay is definitely more respected because of his business prowess than his music career....
it's true south Africa honestly don't regard Jay top 5 it's a US thing.. Em is had a massive impact worldwide he is bigger and and played a hell of a lot more by a landslide even wayne get mentioned more.
Jay still has a presence in South Africa though. Tupac is debatable as well
*Don Cannon
Maaaan it's over for this pod move along
Black barbershops talking bout Hov but white teens in playgrounds all over the world know every word of Lose Yourself and Rap God. Who has the biggest impact on black culture or Hip-Hop culture or the world? Different questions with different answers.
odd you didnt mention, not afraid, mockingbird or beautiful, or the motivational songs, no1 must listen to those i guess
@Yanisel Garcia Get off his nuts, I said what I said. Math is a battle rapper but average black people don't bump Em. I'm black, I love Eminem but I won't play him when my cousins come round. It is what it is.
And the people in those barbershops are representative of the PULSE of the culture. Where it actually comes from. The kids in the suburbs have no say so on what trends in Hip Hop. This is not even a conversation. Jay has been more impactful to Hip Hop by FAR.
Why make it seem like Em's impact is just numbers from white kids around the world??
Nobody ever seems to mention the actual Art of Rap itself, His skill set as Lyricist is Literally being studied at university
Besides the early years when he rapped fast Jay has stuck with the same cadence and topics the whole time
whereas Em has evolved his skill set as a MC and created flows and pockets that had never been done before
there are countless great black and white mainstream and underground lyricists on video talking about how much they were influenced by what he did not just what he said
Let Kendrick tell you ua-cam.com/video/4lPD5PtqMiE/v-deo.html
Jay, Nas, Kendrick, Lupe Fiasco just to the name a few are being studied at Universities. It isn't some new phenomenon that has only happened with Em's work.
@@onyxonyx4744 No Jay?
Jay Z influenced the hood, Eminem has influenced people globally. Eminem has more fans in Nigeria than Jay Z.
And Jay's fans actually KNOW Hip Hop. Em has a bunch of casual Hip Hop fans that don't even like Hip Hop outside of him. Foreigners don't know enough about Hip Hop to count to us in the US so it doesn't really matter.
@@onyxonyx4744 Lmao! Whatever makes you sleep well at night gatekeeper.
@@theblxckstoic_He's not wrong. And you're providing no counter arguments
Em cant go out without being malled by people. Jayz id out all the time. Jayz needed Em to do that NY to Detroit tour because he wasnt doing very good on sales etc.
Lots of Jay fans are rap fans but the majority of Eminem fans are Eminem fans.
thank you, bro. I'm glad somebody sees it. Eminem didn't expose the world to rap. Eminem exposed to world to Eminem..
100%
@@countremy730 how is it different from Jay Z exposing the world to Jay Z? 🤔
Eminem haters always assume this and y'all are just wrong. I know it's what y'all want to believe to make it seem like you know more about rap to feel better about yourself. "Oh he likes Eminem. He must only listen to Eminem." Such a simple-minded take.
@@Wemfs Em stans don't give a shit about rap. They only care about Eminem.
Jay who? not even close, even in the slum village in India knows who Eminem is
Em definitely
The fact that people are saying Eminem is nuts but that’s what being white does.
You sound hurt 🤣 when you realize Hip Hop is universal now it will make more sense!
@@AyeYooRealTalk. …. Get off your knees. This is nasty.
@@lordrassoull6216 🤣 another internet gangsta
Wayne > Jay
Thats it!!
Jay Z is a house slave. He’d sell his fans for $1. This isn’t even a discussion.
The reason Jay is the goat is because he dictated the culture since the 90s but he also managed to evolve his sound. He's talking about being a father and husband and creating generational wealth. Em is rapping about farting on your sneakers.
Em raps evolved more than jay z
@@tapiacortes2686 lol no it hasn't at all. In fact, it's clearly gone backwards
Na
Tell me you don't know a jack shit about Eminem without actually telling
@@zu3834 you same clown like this 🤡? Who don't know anything about Em just talk
lmao excuses are so wild Lmaoooo first of all “Truthfully I wanna rhyme like common sense..but I sold 5 million, I haven’t rhymes like Common since..since, you now know what I’m up against” -Hov
So stop it buddy. Jay isn’t that intricate with the raps my boi. That’s cap.. Em is wayyyyyyyyy more intricately sound then Jay. Jay is a simple rapper with clear and obvious verbiage. The only time he loses folks is when he talks that drug talk but that’s not the reason his reach isn’t like Ems.. Ems reach is the way it is cuz he let the fans into his life. Gave them a front seat to his Culture, childhood, problems, drug addiction lifestyle, struggles of being a single dad of 3 little girls, his love hiphop, the ones he pays homage to, his respect for the craft and continuous dedication to the ART FORM of HipHop. That’s why Ems reach is light years ahead of Jay.. let me remind you
“Men lie women lie..numbers don’t” - Hov
His numbers are not even half of what Ems was or are today.. Spotify Em Is Top 2 most streams n monthly listeners(he’s competing with Drake) .. but currently kicking January as the most streamed rapper so far.. UA-cam? He’s number one.. and second place only has half his views(Drake) n he hasn’t dropped an album in 3 years … Drake dropped 3 projects to maintain his spot.. if Em drops another album this year then he’s gonna leave Drake in the dust… his influence is also further on hiphop than Jay. No rapper today or even back then have sounded like or tried to sound like and were actually successful doing so.. Cole said he was an Eminem bite when first started rapping during his mixtapes days. He got signed from Jay (ironically) using that sound Cole said Em and Nas were his biggest influences..kdot said he studied Ems MMLP album like it was the Bible.. tryna figure out his rhyme patterns. They asked him directly on a radio show “is Em the goat? Not including yourself…he said I think is the ONE” Akon had a chance to sign Drake before Wayne. Said he didn’t sign him cuz he sounded way too much like an Eminem clone.. Drake has said twice publicly that “Em is the greatest rapper to ever touch a microphone” so basically what I’m telling you is.. Em has influenced the future goats of hiphop. More than Hov..and it’s evident. Em is about the art form and the culture, Hov is about the money and the business. And he tells you on every feat he does. SMACK DVD said that after watching 8 mile they started recording battles in Harlem..today SMACK is known as URL bettor league. It’s the biggest battle rap league in the world. And Em influenced that culture..many other battle rap league came out after smack. Alllllll that has to be credited to Em.. battle rap league love and show a great deal of respect to Em because he’s the one..he battle rapped his way all the way to the very top.. he did it on pure skill and will.. he rapped his way to the top. He didn’t sing his way like drake, he didn’t do a million features for acceptance. He do a bunch of club hits. He has his own gimmickie record but he stayed him. He had fun. He was still being himself. And even on those records. He was rapping rapping. He didn’t dumb it down to sell more records. Actually Em is way more lyrical today than he was back then and he’s still on top. And for those that wanna say it’s only because he’s white, let me give you one fun fact.. put your feeling to the side for a second. There has not been one rapper before Em or after Em that has ever even snifffffed the success, record sales, respect from his peers or skills that has earned and displayed. Not one. You need to be good enough.. Mac Miller. Dope MC, didn’t even sniff Em success, Yelawolf. Signed to Em. Super talented. Lyrical and can sing. Didn’t even sniffffff his success..bubba Spark, dope rapper had timbaland behind. Didn’t sniff it.. MGK dope rapper. Had billionaire Diddy behind him. Didn’t even sniff it. Lol Paul wall. Dope. Everyone loved him. Didn’t sniff it. G easy.. dope rapper. Not even close. Asher Roth. Tried to sound like Em n the culture actually sucked with him. Didn’t come Close to the success..Jack Harlow, Slim Jesus 😂, Action Bronson, Tom Macdonald , Logic (revered as white but he’s half black or 25% black) and the list goes on and on..those rapers didn’t see Em success because they didn’t have Ems passion, lyrical ability, image, culture battle rap credibility, co-signs from 80s goats like LL COOL J, Run DMC asked Eminem to induct them into the rock and roll hall of fame, Rakim the GoD MC called Em the Ali of rap, Kool G Rap said Em and Nas were the only rappers to impress him lyrically he said Em blew him away, list goes on.. that’s why Em is where he is at. He went thru so much to get here. Those other rappers are just automatically accepted into this culture cuz Em paved the way. But Em wasn’t accepted. He fought for his spot. He’s the first of his kind and last.. Em is like Tupac. They’ll never two more rappers like that. Biggie style and skill can be duplicated, Jay can be duplicated nas has duplicated kook g rap and Rakim, Em only sound like Em..Pac only sound like Pac
Buddy, stop talking. No one cares
As far as impact goes I can mention at least 5 rappers who have had a bigger global reach musically than him. Beyoncé has more impact than Jay.
Is Beyonce a rapper?
Drake, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj, Kendrick Lamar, Jay Electronica, J Cole, Rocafella and Roc Nation (what Jay-Z helped bring to hip hop)
50 Cent, D12 (what 50 brought to rap)
They are not the same 😂
Not Ems fault lol
One of India's most popular rapper is named Emiway (Eminem+Wayne). Em, Jay, 50 and Wayne are the Mt. Rushmore when it comes to global rap.
Please bhai.
Take away jay and replace him with 2pac. Also add snoop to the list.
@@amygdalahippocampus5764 well it's true no matter how much you dislike that.
@@Python-xs2iv The Black Album>> Tupac's entire discography.
Yes Snoop is a cultural icon as well.
@@varunkhatri3199 That's so untrue but go off.
You forgot BOB MARLEY another recognizable figure… but elephant in the ROOM.. Ems white so he’s gonna get more album play .. he don’t come from the hard knock life like us poor black underclass and if you refute ANY of this.. THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT LISTEN TO REAL HIPHOP OR JAYZ
Nas wins #YouOweMe
Eminem bigger
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