The main difference between the Switch and Wii is that people have been screaming at Nintendo for a more powerful Switch, by the end of the Wii's cycle the motion controls gimmick was getting old.
This! Something I think people don’t realize why some of nintendos console failed. Did the GC fail because it was perceived as kiddy. Sure, but it failed because the PS2 could play DVDs (so doubles as a DVD player for free when DVDs were all the rage) and also used DVD discs instead of the miniDVDs that GC used. This once again alienated some of the biggest third party developers. Did the poor marketing of the WiiU hurt it. Sure, but even once you knew what the WiiU was, it’s simply not compelling to buy. At the end of the Wii, the Nintendo brand was remarkably low Imo. Then they come along with a new console that had a $120 controller that developers didn’t know what to do with and also bottlenecked what hardware Nintendo can put on the console. Couple this with a fairly pedestrian game library as compared to other Nintendo consoles, and it’s not really surprising the WiiU failed. Power and a good game library works. Sony (which is the most consistent video game company) shows us that. You don’t need a weird absurd gimmick when the console itself is a gimmick.
@@XedefenseformExactly. I think people took Nintendo's own reasoning and ran with it to justify wii u's poor sales. The Wii U sold poorly because of a lot of reasons. It had an expensive gimmick, the hardware simply didn't hold up to the competition despite being very similarly priced, and there were almost no games from Nintendo that took advantage of the Wii u gamepad that needed to in the first place. It shows as well with how almost every major game on the Wii U was ported to the Switch. The Switch on the other hand doesn't need a new gimmick. The number one complaint with it is it's lack of power. That's all Nintendo needs to address really to sell well.
Yup! There existed no reason to purchase the WiiU over the PS4/Xbox. It was the same price as the other 2 but far weaker and far less supported. Did the WiiU have cool games on it, absolutely. But apart from MK, smash and BOTW, I would have been pretty fine with missing the other games that came on the console. More importantly, if you were a Nintendo fan, the 3DS would have serviced you far better. Apart from the three aforementioned games (and 3DS arguably has the better Zelda games overall), the 3DS has a far better array of Nintendo IP
People were also screaming at Nintendo for a more powerful console in the time of the Wii too. We sort of forget that the Wii U was sort of an intergenerational console, like the Dreamcast. It was an impressive console for like 5 minutes, not made any better by how a lot of people initially didn’t realize it was in fact even a video game console at all.
Not sure you you can call the N64 'A Huge Success'. Getting outsold 3 to 1 by your nearest rival and Selling significantly less than your previous two systems (three if you count the Gameboy) does not make for a Huge Success.
That’s what I was saying, they got cooked by Sony and nintendo had the best system (power wise). You’d think Nintendo would learn from their mistakes but I think they’re going to flop
It was also the moment they lost third party support, which they used to have lots of. Having cartridges on N64 instead of discs is the second biggest mistake they ever made. The biggest was turning down the deal with Sony, thereby resulting in the PlayStation
It is considered a "still commecial success" in a sense that it delivered and returned profit. So don't act like a stupid gamer.. And see things more like an adult. Competition isn't everything. If something has a positive growth it is a success.. Though yeah Playstation beat Nintendo. But what we adults call commecial failure are things that actually DECREASE the value of the company... WiiU for example. Yes WiiU made Nintendo LOSE MONEY. Thus it was considered a failure. Nintendo 64 was still very much a positive. Not a huge success. But it was a success especially considering what they were up against... And well... The N64 actually sold better than the Gamecube. It means it was pretty successful in many ways.
I think they've broken away from the Wii branding enough that the home screen, menus, etc. don't need to be so functionally basic anymore. I hope the next console is allowed to have more of a personality again.
@@paulgilbert5278Iwata was an incredible man and had such an impact on Nintendo, but I'm certain in a company he led he's not the only person with a creative sense of fun. And a lot of the development on the Switch was done while he was still alive and active at the company...I imagine the UI of the Switch wasn't that way out of laziness and lack of Iwata's grace or whatever, it was a strategic move. They could do something a little more fleshed out again now.
@@paulgilbert5278 iwata was low key the reason that Nintendo was on the verge of failure to begin with. He definitely misinterpreted where the market was going and that’s how we ended up with the 3DS and WiiU
I can see Nintendo taking the 3DS route and adding a little piece of plastic at the side of the cartidge so that it cannot be inserted into a Nintendo Switch but can be inserted into the new console and since they have the same shape except for the little plastic for the new console that could mean backwards compatibility is possible.
Either way it won’t be a bad thing because essentially I could play my switch one games on a switch 2 then right? then I can maybe sell my normal switch and actually get enough money out of it so I can get some switch 2 games I’d want and of course get myself some accessories for my switch 2
N64 doesn't really count as it also sold less than the SNES. Also There's only so many gimmicks you can make for a console before it becomes nothing more than a novelty. I feel like its going to be another Switch, but its going to be more powerful and maybe address some issues with the current one considering the Switch name is very popular among people but unlike the Wii, the novelty didn't ware off as much since its basically bringing console experiences on the go.
I believe it is far too late into the switch 2's development cycle for them to completely change the cartridge system (assuming they are planning on backwards compatibility). To use the carts, you have to have a unique ID to copy over, and if Nintendo sees a duplicate ID they shut it down.
the biggest issue with this is people buying new games, copying the cartridge, and then returning the legit cartridge. it’s potentially screwing over people who buy used games and might even lead to the abandonment of physical cartridges. i’m aware these types of third party cartridges existed on the ds and such, but that was before any measures were taken to prevent/ban users from using it
@@dylynntendotrading games aren’t the problem but piracy that every company face is the problem. That is why we see all digital consoles that PC was way ahead of time.
@@therealjaystone2344 but if nintendo starts banning people for have two of the exact same cartridges active at the same time, used games are threatened since if cloned versions of the game are active, the person who bought the used physical copy is screwed over
@@therealjaystone2344 also piracy will always be a problem no matter what. having consoles be exclusively digital isn’t stopping anyone from pirating games
@@dylynntendo that’s why reviews are a thing whenever you go online for a third party seller. Used games aren’t exclusive to such vulnerability but unsealed games too.
These systems may be a failure sale wise but that doesn't mean they are bad. Wii U has some of the best Mario games and that's why many of them were also transported to the switch
@@Yiannis_Pro garbage in terms of performance too. While it’s GPU was praised, the CPU was always called slow, it wasn’t that much better than the one on the 360
Nintendo is definitely not going to remove their cartridge slot because of the MIG Switch cart. The vast majority of people don't want to get technical with that stuff and will just buy their games legally. People are going to find methods for Switch 2 modding and there really isn't anything Nintendo can do about it.
@@itstoasty7089DS flash carts were massive and so much easier to use, more readily available, more useful, etc., than the MIG cart, but Nintendo still allowed all of them to work on the 3DS anyway because there's no way to block them without breaking backwards compatibility, which they need because (like the DS), the switch library is Massive and no one is going to upgrade if they can't keep their old game library.
You don't make money on console sales, you make it on software sales, which is why even abandoning the Switch is a massive gamble for NIntendo, the Wii U put them in the red because it failed to shift enough consoles for anyone to buy the hardware. If the new console doesn't have backwards compatibility it's a much harder sell for current Switch owners, which is a major problem for Nintendo since there's so many of them
I don't think they should release a new switch (or even console) anytime soon. I've had my switch since the year it came out and still have much more use to get out of it
@@ambientNexus I agree that it’s underpowered, but I think that’s fine honestly. Nintendo consoles don’t need to be as powerful as the newest PlayStation or Xbox. People mainly play the switch for its exclusives. None of which are that intensive on the system
@@miracle3515 Never said it had to be as powerful as the newest hardware from Sony or Microsoft, all I said was that it was severely underpowered from release date onwards.
@@miracle3515 The switch absolutely needs a replacement. It's been 7 years and that's about as long as a console generation tends to go. The Switch is heavily outdated in hardware and developers will continue to get frustrated if they don't they don't upgrade soon
The Wii U suffered from thousands of issues, the first of which being thst it was called the Wii U. The gamecube suffered from its proprietary discs and also being stacked agaisnt the PS2.
i’ve been having this same fear cause everyone seems to want a stronger switch and yet that’s just a repeat of the wii u situation… they claim it was a marketing issue which i agree, but also how would a switch 2 be any different in that sense… i want it to be good so hopefully they pull through!
The thing is ppl currently doesn't care for something that's not a improved switch, the brand has only gotten stronger through the years, unlike wii brand, that why a wii 2 and a switch 2 would perform so differently
Wii U also had a really weak launch line up. I think nintendo by now learned you can't start a console with a bad line up and expect sucess. So with a strong opening line up, actually good advertising and there current momentum which has never been stronger I think nintendo has a good chance of success this time. Mind you not switch sucess but definitely a respectable number way above gamecube and 64 numbers
@@teknixstuff fair but pretty much every predecessor has performed worse than the original… the snes, gamecube, 3ds, wii u… there’s reason to be concerned but i’m sure it’ll still be good
The SNES and the 3DS don't really count because their "predecessors" sold crazy well, not to mention the N64 sold less than the SNES. There is also the fact that the Wii is based on the Gamecube but the Wii outperformed it saleswise 5x over.
1) Dont think that they are going the change the format of the cardtridges. They changed form discs to cards because the switch portable mode. 2)Online main problem is that the lag is unacceptable for a paid service. 3)Well honestly, they need to release new consoles because the technology becomes more demanding. What I can agree is that the life cycle of a console should be longer. 8-10 years more or less
They just need to call it SwitchU, and it will guarntee that. Aside of that they really should make abetter design to replace joycons. Its abysmal how uncomfortable they are in handheld mode. They should follow the design of some of the aftermarket joycon replacements that fill the hands better.
DVD playback helped the ps2 A LOT, it was a relatively cheap DVD player at a time where the format was pretty popular. They tried the same with the PS3 and Blu Ray, but the thing was prohibitively expensive, without considering inflation, it was more expensive than a Series X or a PS5 with a disc drive. In fact, you could literally get a wii, a 360 with no hard drive and a 360 memory card for the same price, or a 20GB Xbox 360 and a Wii for only 50 USD more.
The main difference between the Wii and the Switch. Is that the Switch has a growing hardcore community of people who will buy more then one or two games. Unlike the Wii that people bought for Wii Sports, and Mario Kart Wii and maybe a few other games.
This is nonsense. The NES and the SNES was massively popular and the N64 was not as popular and went on a downward trend so this video already started on a crappy foundation. You can’t predict anything about consoles reliably, just wait and see
Ps2 was a glorified dvd player for many, as it was cheaper than a dvd player. Ps1 was bought en mass because everyone burnt copies of games. PS3 didn’t sell because no enough people cared about blue ray
So piracy is one the problems 2:18... again, people trying to fool the system while having cash. I can understand doing pdf of books for college that costs high as much or even more than a game, but a game itself? People are so in NEED to the point of something that's not necessity?
"2" is a significantly more marketable term than "U". It's a lot easier for people to tell what the hell is going on with a "2". We're used to number schemes with iPhones and such.
There's a bit of a misunderstanding here when it comes to why companies sell consoles. Usually, companies will sell their consoles at a loss, meaning that they don't make any money off of console sales themselves. That's why the Switch could be sold for just $300. The reason companies do this is because they want to get their system in the hands of as many people as possible so that they can make money off of their software. So the main reason Nintendo would feel pressure to make a new console would likely be due to an inability to sell new software on it, which, given the Switch's technical limitations, makes sense. You can't port something like Elden Ring to the switch.
Nintendo GameCube was actually ahead of the curve in many aspects. The OG Xbox came in later in the gen and PS2 was also a dvd player. What made the Gamecube fail was 2 things: 1. The use of Mini Dvds, which made the console hard to breach/hack (took people like 4 years to crack it) but limited development as mini dvds had way less storage in. 2. I believe the console itself was hard to develop for, same happened with the WiiU and PS3. Edit: What actually happens is that companies get cocky after the successful previous gen, and start making a lot of decisions that hurt them. We've seen Cocky Nintendo, Playstation and Xbox at least once.
It's funny because one of the factors that made the PS2 a huge success and the most sold console ever, was its modchip boosted piracy. Many, many people in huge cities of third world countries never saw a PS2 original game outside some big stores.
@@CidPsyNope the GameCube was in fact the second easiest console to develop for. Due to its simple and well known PowerPC architecture and being very powerful in its generation. Certain aspects of the GameCube was better than the Original Xbox. Like far more raw polygonal output, faster memory, smaller discs had faster load times, very efficient in power and performance per watt and had a much faster CPU than the Xbox. Xbox had a lot more ram, could hold a lot more memory on its discs, was basically a PC so easier to develop for, superior shaders, better component output support.
@@ZackSNetwork Well I do say this out of memory and we'fre talking about 20 years now xD but at any rate, didn't remember it was easy to develop for. What I do remember was the controversy of the Mini Dvds implementation and its smaller capacity of storage, I remember articles and articles pilling up on that on how it wpuld impact the console negatively. In a way we can also attribute the commercial failure of the system due to all the negativity surrounding it as the succesor of the N64. Kinda reminds me what happened to the Switch previous to its release actually.
I personally like the concept of the WIi U. Also, the ability to use a pen and the idea to play simulataneously on two separate screens is great. Nintendo might just had a bit of bad luck with it. I would love to see a revision of it
It all depends on how you percieve it Me personally, it was...ok. nothing more nothing less My cousins used the Wii U more anyway for playing Just Dance-
@@Aliix458 for just dance? Really? I’m not judging, I just find Xbox 360 and Xbox one ( but not the series X|S) to be the best platforms for Just Dance, they’re a lot of fun with Kinect
If they couldn't find a use for the gamepad screen in 2012, then how exactly would they manage to find uses for it over a decade later? Face it, the gamepad was a complete mistake.
your logic is flawed the N64 was not a successful generation, your ignoring the handheld console side which has always done better than the home console side, the generations that flopped didnt have mega sellers like the handheld systems did where as Switch 2 will have them such as Pokemon and Animal Crossing which were on the 3DS which while the worst selling handheld still did 76 million not a flop by any means then include a new Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Luigis Mansion and other big selling games next gen cant be another Wii U or GameCube situation
@@Stephan5916 It's really just a handheld with dedicated cooling and HDMI port though. The handheld division was probably already working on it as a potential follow-up to the 3DS, but with the failure of the Wii U they expedited it's release. In these videos they completely ignore that handhelds have always been the bulk of Nintendo's sales, not home consoles. All Nintendo handhelds sell well, so the boom bust (mostly bust) cycle of their consoles is basically irrelevant.
Nintendo doesnt have to do anything crazy with the next console. Literally just make a better switch in terms of power and capability, maybe add a few cool unique features, and theyre golden.
What I wish for on the next Nintendo switch is Personality, which the switch doesn't have, and that little birthday easter egg hardcoded into the system, just like the Wii U has.
I think that retro would be a great abscence this "next generation" if it doesn't make it. Switch library is massive and covers Wii U, many indie games and probably the most Nintendo exclusives in a generation. But, sadly, I can easily see Nintendo cutting retro, blaming flashcarts and making with this a move to sell even more Switches (now limited, because end of generation).
the switch is not just a GameCube or WiiU, it is a DS and 3DS as well. Those have had a rich history of success from that transition. I think that the switch is more of a handheld than a home console. That is Nintendo’s strength. You can’t just base the switch’s success based off home consoles, you have to look at everything
Why the next console could be a failure? Let me guess... Nintendo made so much game since the legendary Super Mario Bros NES in 1985 and manage to get more people who join them into their community over the years since arround 40 years by go on several consoles with the N64, GCN, Wii, Wii U, GBA, DS and 3DS and, when we see what we got about games in Switch for those 7 years, we can understand why they aren't interest for the next Nintendo console so buy the next Nintendo console for what exactly? For get better graphics than the previous consoles but, just like the Switch, we gonna have a lot of grab money game with more than 10 Pokemon games and 6 Fire Emblem and 6 Kirby games with a lot of old video game port that we have played before and still know them perfectly like Peach possessed at the end of Paper Mario TTYD as final boss, Mario paint see in fully in the last mansion from Luigi's Mansion 2 and the two endings about Mario vs Donkey Kong about the second with Mario comfort DK by offer him one of his own tiny Mario toys? And, meanwhile, we gonna have nothing for a new Star Fox and Kid Icarus games, not even a remastered if Nintendo is too lazy for made a new game, just 3 Metroid games, just one sort of Rom hack about F-Zero from the SNES to the Switch with 99 players instead made a new 3D game or a remastered game if they are still lazy for do a new game and just one Pikmin game while the 3 others was port and the Mario Kart true fans never get their new Mario Kart on Switch who doesn't smell the 2014 Wii U port about to put more stuff 10 years later like if the game was release unfinished on the Wii U that they need to fix it 10 years later instead turn the page and made a new game? And we don't even forget when the Animal Crossing was feeling bettray by Nintendo by complaint about a lot ot things about their game on Switch. So, without joking, who gonna be enought d*mb like a f*ck for spend a lot of hundred buck for buy their next console just for play recycled video game and a lot of grab money game instead play new fresh game and various game seriously?
I mean, this video is a failure because weirdly it didn't take into account the handhelds, which never flop. Therefore by the thesis of your video, if the next system is a handheld still and the handhelds don't flop, how could it flop? A lot of your other takes I don't really get, like how online should SOMETIMES be free, because it's really arbitrary and people won't be happy with whatever games they ignore with such an initiative. And I don't think the flashcard is a big enough deal for it to be a point (listen buddy, if you were a hardcore gamer with a DS you likely owned R4, yet it didn't affect them much then). The flashcard not being a big deal for Nintendo compared to other systems (paging the Dreamcast) is because they have far more casual appeal, and casuals simply won't do this because it's too much effort/afraid of getting account banned/potentially bricking the console etc.
Wild thought... What if nintendo allows Nintendo 3DS and Wii U games to be played on the Switch 2? I mean thinking about it... call me crazy but they are closing the stores for the 3ds and Wii U this year which makes room for the Switch 2 system.
I just hope the new system is 100% backwards compatible with current Switch cartridges with no online nonsense being required. If they want a different size or shape cartridge for Switch 2, that’s fine, but put a regular Switch cartridge slot somewhere on the thing also.
I think the next console that has a foldable screen to have 2 screens like 3ds games but can close it to just have one screen Edit:I don't know how it would work except but something to that effect,a way to have it be like the wii u were you can have it in handheld but also on your TV at the same time would be sick,basically a switch but with the Gimmicks of 2 other gens,I think I'd be really good and make more ways to play and open up different possibilities,say in like,a splatoon 4 you can use x then tap one of the 4 left things to superjump you could also have it be like the wii u were the handheld could be the map,and as an idea to make it easier to not have it be 2 consols it's to have it when it's in the wii u mode to only be able to be a certain distance away to maybe stop any shenanigans
It needs to fulfill some kind of need that the Switch doesn't, much the same way that the Switch fulfills a need that the Wii U didn't, and the way that the Wii U didn't fulfill any needs that the Wii didn't. If it's just a souped-up Switch, only hardcore Nintendo fans will buy it. The same people that bought a Wii U.
My proposal for a switch successor: Nintendo Attach & Switch Hardware Spec: Power: about equivalent 2013 version PS4/Xbox one or steam deck, 1.5 tflops portable and 2 tflops docked Graphics: 1080p30/720p60 OLED handheld, 1440p30/1080p60 docked Same cartridge slot except with a piece missing, allows for switch compatibility but new game can’t fit in switchs’ cartridge slot 7” version sold for $349, with a mini version(5.5”) that have LCD for $299 From factor/gimmicks: A screen and 2 joy-con similar to the switch The joy-con is modified to remove joy-con drift as well as the addition of pointer control The new joy-con have a mechanism to swap out the directional button for a D-pad(included) and swap out the main button for a GCN layout(layout piece sold separately) The switch screen also have a piece of slide rail at the top, allowing the new dock(which is sliced into) to show the screen of the switch The top slide rail of the attach & switch can also let the switch ‘attach’ other accessories(sold separately) e.g. A screen accessories to put on top of it for a DS-like experience but can also be held separately with plugged in joy-con for a more Wii U like one A front/rear camera + microphone accessories allows for AR stuff but also can be used separately with the kickstand for motion tracking/allowing the game to work when docked A 3D screen accessories for everything the regular screen accessories do but also have a 3D slider to allow for stereoscopic 3D A plastic piece allows for VR experience(not as great as PS/Xbox) Software/Switch Online: Street pass is coming back, this time used the joy-con to track steps and stuff using the motion sensor The attach & switch have more software features like Wii, Wii U, DSi and 3DS A photo app for some photo editing A sound app for play around with recorded audio A world news app similar to the Wii A weather app A camera app Mytendo: a upgraded Mii with clothing support Nintendoverse: Nintendo’s take on the metaverse, which allows for interaction for your Mytendo and also chat with others with picture, share flip note and have game community. This time with ai assisted filtering Switch online is altered to have 2 tiers P2P online is now free Base tier for $29.99 for NES, SNES, sega genesis, master system, N64, Gameboy and GBA games alongside dedicated servers Expansion pack for $39.99 for GCN, Dreamcast and DS games at launch, with Wii and 3DS later
I mean if they wanted to do backwards compatibility without the flash card being a problem, they could just make it so you would "unlock" all your physical switch games digitally on the next consols eShop the day it comes out or something. People would probably be able to sneak a pirated game or two through, but it's better than people being able to pirate switch games forever. Assuming the new console has backwards compatibility. Maybe Nintendo is just banking on being able to sue anyone who tries to sell flash cards, Or maybe backwards compatibility was never on the table internally at Nintendo. who knows
I really think the biggest reason for people to want a new console is the power of the switch, not the need for a new gimmick. Just look at recent pokemon games, mobile games look better than that nowadays, i can barely call my switch a console, but thats just my opinion
Good video. My biggest worry would be the lack of games during the first year. Nintendo has a habit of releasing a lot of big games during the last years of their systems, leaving them with few games for their new console's launch. It happened with the N64 and GC with games like banjo-tooie, mario party 3, perfect dark or majoras mask that could have been prepared as gamecube sequels close to launch...Then, they tried to revive many of their classic IPs right as the wii era was ending, with new super mario bros., WiiDKCreturns, kirby return to dreamland, metroid other m, skyward sword... As a result, many wiiu games not only came too late, but they also felt too similar... They had to sacrifice one year of the wiiu to prepare a good launch for the switch...And yet they seem to be repeating the same choice: They gave us some big games like tears of the kingdom, pikmin 4, mario wonder,... Even the extra mk8 tracks look like something that could have reworked for mk9... Of course i enjoy these games, but how many developers are left creating games for switch 2?
Yeah, but what sell consoles the most are the exclusives if the switch 2 or whatever ends being called might have improved versions of the joy, con controllers but a bit bigger similar size duelsense
I feel like. If they make a new “switch” it will be almost guaranteed it will be a flop. If they change the name and completely change the design maybe it will work but I still feel like it’s going to do way worse than the switch either way because of the success
Discs would be a downgrade and would be slower and hold less space. Flash storage on these carts can be really big. A disk drive would nt only add significant weight and size but also a lot more ould be worse in every way and it's why the PSP to Vita went from discs to carts
I think Nintendo would do good in that the Switch 2 is literally just make the new console the un-docked handheld version that way they can sell it for cheaper meaning easier turn around for always having consoles available, which is one of the switches biggest issues, and if your want a new dock they can keep the OG price of the switch.
I think Nintendo should do the opposite of what all the game companies are doing: Make the console older style. Everyone’s trying to make new consoles more modern, but people are getting more interested in old game every year, so why not make a console that can only run up to 64bit games?
I don't think they are cursed to have a failed console next but I still hurt from what happened with the Wii U. In terms of gamecube I love that system.
@@miracle3515 But are you really shocked by it? The gamepad was the central gimmick for the console, and yet even they could barely manage to find a use for it, let alone third-party developers. That, combined with it being so much weaker than the offerings by Sony and Microsoft, meant it was objectively the worst purchase anyone could make in terms of eighth gen consoles. And that's without mentioning the absolutely terrible marketing they did for the console.
@@ambientNexus you aren’t wrong at all. looking at it now it makes sense why a lot of people didn’t care for the Wii U. But as a kid I didn’t care about any of that I just thought it was a fun console
probably so it doesn’t feel horrible on the hands, don’t think it’d be very pleasant to have the edges of the controller bury deep into your palms (unless you like having numb hands)
I have a feeling it might fail, but it won't be Wii U bad bc of how the gaming sphere and market has evolved over the year plus with the games like mario kart and pokemon coming that it will be a success in a way
nintendo should do what sony did with the transition from ps4 to 5. many big sony releases such as tlou 2 and gow ragnarok released on both the ps4 and 5, but games that relied on ps5 hardware to run such as rift apart and spider-man 2 released exclusive to ps5. that ease of transition in combination with a backwards compatible system would be, in my eyes, a really good thing for nintendo to at least think about
Eh I'm not so sure on that one. That business move from Sony appears to have only hurt the PS5's sales, and it is why people still say it has no games.
@@patrickfrancis9245 Yea, it barely has anything. But it's not unlike the previous generations. Like the original PS4, I didn't feel like it was worth the investment until the PS4 Pro era came around (especially starting from 2017) and the library got a whole lot better. I finally went and got the PS4 Pro + RDR2 bundle in 2018. Right now in early February 2024 it feels like the PS4 era in around 2015 and there just ain't no way I'm getting a PS5 now.
@greengamer6199 Both of them are maintaining survival by gatekeeping games and making them exclusive on their consoles. Nintendo is nothing without the games. PS is also relying on exclusives. That's where the "no games" complaint comes from. PS5 has plenty of games if you count non-exclusives. More games than ever, due to PS4 backwards compatibility.
I do not consider the Switch to be the successor to the Wii U and will die on this hill. It is the successor to the 3DS. Nintendo's core business, where they have traditionally made most of their sales, is handhelds. The Wii U was their last console and they have gone all in on handhelds, the thing they know best. All of their handhelds, except the Game & Watches from the 1980's have cleared 75 million units. The Wii is their only console to clear 75 million units. If the next Switch is a handheld, which it 100% will be, it will not be a flop.
I think that people often dont realize that the vast majority of people who buy nintendo systems aren't hardcore gamers who buy every system. if they still have something relatively new, they probably wont buy the new thing coming out. I think there is also a chance the new system could be sell better, since they waited so long after releasing the switch. as long as it's not too similar to the switch it might do ok.
As great a console as it is, do we really consider the N64 to be some huge success? It sold 10 million more than the GameCube, which is often thought of as a commercial failure, and it was way behind the PlayStation at 102 million. To put the N64's level of success on the same level as the Wii and Switch; both of which sold over 100 million seems strange.
I feel like the PlayStation Portal or steam deck could become a real Problem for the next Nintendo Gen. Nobody is gonna buy a worse version of a game for mobile if you have a handheld that lets you use your entire home console or pc library.
people mention the mig switch cartrige alot when backwards compatibility is talked about for the switch 2 but you have to keep in mind that nintendo probably as been working on the switch 2 for years at this point during which the mig switch didn't exist yet. by the point thr mig switch was announced nintendo likely wasn't making any big changes to the switch 2
I think you hit the nail with this video. I thought it was unjustified for them to sell a game like Splatoon that people could only play if they were already paying for a monthly service. That's the only reason I never bought it.
If the next gaming console has the word “switch” in it, it will fail. Like the Nintendo 64 to the Wii, those 2 were best selling consoles because their names weren’t alike, if the Wii U was called literally anything else, it would have sold so so much better, literally possibly surpassing the Wii
The Wii U failed due to extremely poor marketing. Naming it the Switch 2 won't cause it to fail as long as the marketing isn't awful. I can't tell you how many people either didn't know the Wii U existed or the fact that they thought it was an Addon for the Wii. PlayStation has used the same name since 1994 and just making the number bigger. If the Wii U was called something else it likely still would have failed because no one knew about the system
I think what also Nintendo ahould worry about is the Steam Deck, the Yuzu emulator and the massive library of games available on it that can run better in it than a switch should make Nintendo worry too.
Not really. Steam Deck is niche compared to the big 3. It’s estimated to have sold between 2-3 million. The percentage of people that 1. Own a steam deck 2. Know how to emulate 3. Are willing to pirate is much smaller than you think.
As someone who owns both, Nintendo literally has nothing to worry about concerning any PC handheld. They are completely separate markets. Yuzu doens't even run every game that well on the deck
so, a few important things to note are the following: the n64 wasn't really a 'success', it was outsold 3:1 by the PS1. The gamecube sold poorly because of the mini-DVD format, which made porting larger games to it way more difficult along with a controller that kinda sucked for anything that wasn't a gamecube game and it also lacked L1, L3, R3 and select. The Wii U not only sold poorly due to what could only be described as a marketing fuck-up of astronomical proportions, but also because their release cycles were as dry as a desert, while often also having the worse version of AAA games. due to the small storage and a few other reasons, Wii U AAA games often lacked proper multiplayer, DLC and other features people wanted. Why buy COD ghosts on the wii-u when you can get more out of the game on PS4 or XB1? If the rumors of the 'switch 2' being a similar speed to a PS4 are true, I think that a new gimmick won't be as important as having a large library of really fun games, as that's what made the Wii and Switch sell so many units plus you could also port quite a lot more cross-platform games onto the switch 2.
Nintendo Switch online is not such a big problem, but what makes it worse is that playing online is also extremely laggy, so you pay for playing even worse
That's because they aren't even hosting servers for these games, all of the games either rely on peer-to-peer connections or for the game publishers to host their own servers. The money for NSO is going straight into Nintendo's pockets.
i feel like they should have an actual handheld companion system that’s less powerful than the main console as a backup plan incase the console fails, that’s pretty much what happened with the wii u and 3ds
Personally I think we’re fine with the next Nintendo console, what we should be discussing is whether the console after it will be a failure because of the the 3rd console curse, I know it would be their 9th but it seems to happen each time with a companies 3rd console and Nintendo has had it happen to them twice now with the Wii u and N64
They'll only be harming themselves by trying to push more gimmicks, they really should realize by now that they never manage to support those gimmicks in the long term for their consoles.
@@ColePhelpsLAPD The switch is not only highly successful, it also unified their formerly separate home console and handheld focuses into a single product that covers both. They'd be complete idiots to throw it all away for some new gimmick that would only end up harming sales. What else would they even do anyways? I mean, for all of their gimmick consoles (only partially including the wii), they just ended up abandoning said gimmicks halfway through the lifespan of the system. For the 3ds, most of the games later on just stopped supporting 3d altogether, same with streetpass. The gamepad was nearly useless throughout the entire lifespan of the Wii U. Even the original DS had devs barely being able to find uses for both of the screens at once.
@@ambientNexusI'm not completely against the idea of a Switch 2, I understand that it absolutely the best way to go. I just feel like waiting 7 years for something new and it just being the same thing, again, would be boring. Also I dislike that it's both a home console and a handheld because it limits what it's allowed to do. Yeah, having a new one would fix that, but it would still be in my eyes a handheld console that you can play on the tv where the graphics in portable mode are impressive for the time, but real soon be obsolete. I wouldn't mind it especially if they added any notable features, but I would just see it more like a New Nintendo 3DS Vs an actual new console. Also I really shouldn't have said "gimmick" since I had an idea in mind for what that gimmick would be, but it's not really a "stupid Nintendo gimmick" as it's more so just an actually powerful console with some unique features.
I think it’ll boil down to what the initial line up will be. Nintendo’s franchising are what sells units and make them stand out from the competition: a more powerful switch that launches with an amazing new zelda, 3D mario, metroid prime, animal crossing and pokemon (not even a good one) all in the span of, let’s say, 1.5 years will sell good. If they launch it with mario kart, mario party and other strictly casual stuff, it won’t be successful, casuals and families won’t find a reason to buy a new system
The next console from Nintendo will definitely be completely digital. In one of their shareholder conferences the ceo said that the success of the next console will hinge on their navigation of digital games. No one knows what that means, but for me success means letting me purchase digital titles and having the freedom to play them on any console. Today there is a restriction on main console that is unacceptable. They will need to open up their library sharing to make it equivalent to owning a cartridge.
It definitely will NOT be completely digital. That’s a guarantee. Nintendo games are still 50-50 physical/digital and in Japan it’s more like 70-30 physical. There’s no way Nintendo is going to alienate their massive physical audience. And not even Sony lets you play a digital title on any system. You get your main console and a secondary console
The main difference between the Switch and Wii is that people have been screaming at Nintendo for a more powerful Switch, by the end of the Wii's cycle the motion controls gimmick was getting old.
This! Something I think people don’t realize why some of nintendos console failed. Did the GC fail because it was perceived as kiddy. Sure, but it failed because the PS2 could play DVDs (so doubles as a DVD player for free when DVDs were all the rage) and also used DVD discs instead of the miniDVDs that GC used. This once again alienated some of the biggest third party developers.
Did the poor marketing of the WiiU hurt it. Sure, but even once you knew what the WiiU was, it’s simply not compelling to buy. At the end of the Wii, the Nintendo brand was remarkably low Imo. Then they come along with a new console that had a $120 controller that developers didn’t know what to do with and also bottlenecked what hardware Nintendo can put on the console. Couple this with a fairly pedestrian game library as compared to other Nintendo consoles, and it’s not really surprising the WiiU failed.
Power and a good game library works. Sony (which is the most consistent video game company) shows us that. You don’t need a weird absurd gimmick when the console itself is a gimmick.
@@XedefenseformExactly. I think people took Nintendo's own reasoning and ran with it to justify wii u's poor sales. The Wii U sold poorly because of a lot of reasons. It had an expensive gimmick, the hardware simply didn't hold up to the competition despite being very similarly priced, and there were almost no games from Nintendo that took advantage of the Wii u gamepad that needed to in the first place. It shows as well with how almost every major game on the Wii U was ported to the Switch. The Switch on the other hand doesn't need a new gimmick. The number one complaint with it is it's lack of power. That's all Nintendo needs to address really to sell well.
Maybe switch games is locked to a sandbox so at the least new games would be protected
Yup! There existed no reason to purchase the WiiU over the PS4/Xbox. It was the same price as the other 2 but far weaker and far less supported. Did the WiiU have cool games on it, absolutely. But apart from MK, smash and BOTW, I would have been pretty fine with missing the other games that came on the console.
More importantly, if you were a Nintendo fan, the 3DS would have serviced you far better. Apart from the three aforementioned games (and 3DS arguably has the better Zelda games overall), the 3DS has a far better array of Nintendo IP
People were also screaming at Nintendo for a more powerful console in the time of the Wii too. We sort of forget that the Wii U was sort of an intergenerational console, like the Dreamcast. It was an impressive console for like 5 minutes, not made any better by how a lot of people initially didn’t realize it was in fact even a video game console at all.
Not sure you you can call the N64 'A Huge Success'. Getting outsold 3 to 1 by your nearest rival and Selling significantly less than your previous two systems (three if you count the Gameboy) does not make for a Huge Success.
It’s a huge success because it wasn’t a sega saturn.
@@not4nikiii True, it did out sell the Saturn. But it didn't sell anywhere near the Playstation.
That’s what I was saying, they got cooked by Sony and nintendo had the best system (power wise). You’d think Nintendo would learn from their mistakes but I think they’re going to flop
It was also the moment they lost third party support, which they used to have lots of. Having cartridges on N64 instead of discs is the second biggest mistake they ever made. The biggest was turning down the deal with Sony, thereby resulting in the PlayStation
It is considered a "still commecial success" in a sense that it delivered and returned profit. So don't act like a stupid gamer.. And see things more like an adult. Competition isn't everything. If something has a positive growth it is a success.. Though yeah Playstation beat Nintendo. But what we adults call commecial failure are things that actually DECREASE the value of the company... WiiU for example. Yes WiiU made Nintendo LOSE MONEY. Thus it was considered a failure. Nintendo 64 was still very much a positive. Not a huge success. But it was a success especially considering what they were up against... And well... The N64 actually sold better than the Gamecube. It means it was pretty successful in many ways.
I think they've broken away from the Wii branding enough that the home screen, menus, etc. don't need to be so functionally basic anymore. I hope the next console is allowed to have more of a personality again.
Without Iwata that seems unlikely
@@paulgilbert5278Iwata was an incredible man and had such an impact on Nintendo, but I'm certain in a company he led he's not the only person with a creative sense of fun. And a lot of the development on the Switch was done while he was still alive and active at the company...I imagine the UI of the Switch wasn't that way out of laziness and lack of Iwata's grace or whatever, it was a strategic move. They could do something a little more fleshed out again now.
@@paulgilbert5278 iwata was low key the reason that Nintendo was on the verge of failure to begin with. He definitely misinterpreted where the market was going and that’s how we ended up with the 3DS and WiiU
@@longerhandleisntavailable but it was greatness for the customers who had it, (including myself.)
@@longerhandleisntavailable the 3ds was brilliant i thought. maybe the gimmick was kinda bad, but it sold amazing
I can see Nintendo taking the 3DS route and adding a little piece of plastic at the side of the cartidge so that it cannot be inserted into a Nintendo Switch but can be inserted into the new console and since they have the same shape except for the little plastic for the new console that could mean backwards compatibility is possible.
Either way it won’t be a bad thing because essentially I could play my switch one games on a switch 2 then right? then I can maybe sell my normal switch and actually get enough money out of it so I can get some switch 2 games I’d want and of course get myself some accessories for my switch 2
free online is not coming back don't kid yourself.
N64 doesn't really count as it also sold less than the SNES. Also There's only so many gimmicks you can make for a console before it becomes nothing more than a novelty. I feel like its going to be another Switch, but its going to be more powerful and maybe address some issues with the current one considering the Switch name is very popular among people but unlike the Wii, the novelty didn't ware off as much since its basically bringing console experiences on the go.
i think they should also redesign the joycons so that it stands out more from the switch
@@vomit_girlyredesign them to remove joycon drift lol Nintendo is usually better than this
@@BaawBeeDrift is a issue with the PS5 and Xbox controllers also.
@@BaawBeedrift is a potencimeter problem
@@asuperrandomguy8266 potencimeter isn't a word so what exactly are you trying to imply?
I believe it is far too late into the switch 2's development cycle for them to completely change the cartridge system (assuming they are planning on backwards compatibility). To use the carts, you have to have a unique ID to copy over, and if Nintendo sees a duplicate ID they shut it down.
the biggest issue with this is people buying new games, copying the cartridge, and then returning the legit cartridge. it’s potentially screwing over people who buy used games and might even lead to the abandonment of physical cartridges. i’m aware these types of third party cartridges existed on the ds and such, but that was before any measures were taken to prevent/ban users from using it
@@dylynntendotrading games aren’t the problem but piracy that every company face is the problem. That is why we see all digital consoles that PC was way ahead of time.
@@therealjaystone2344 but if nintendo starts banning people for have two of the exact same cartridges active at the same time, used games are threatened since if cloned versions of the game are active, the person who bought the used physical copy is screwed over
@@therealjaystone2344 also piracy will always be a problem no matter what. having consoles be exclusively digital isn’t stopping anyone from pirating games
@@dylynntendo that’s why reviews are a thing whenever you go online for a third party seller. Used games aren’t exclusive to such vulnerability but unsealed games too.
Nintendo 64 was kind of a flop, Sega self destructing with the Saturn helped them out a lot. Compared to the PS1 the N64 got absolutely smoked
These systems may be a failure sale wise but that doesn't mean they are bad. Wii U has some of the best Mario games and that's why many of them were also transported to the switch
The console was garbage and sales are a very important part in making money. If the idea flops Nintendo will clearly go a different route.
@@ZackSNetwork garbage only in terms of sales. Gameplay wise it's very good
@@Yiannis_Pro garbage in terms of performance too. While it’s GPU was praised, the CPU was always called slow, it wasn’t that much better than the one on the 360
@@DocTime56 Yea but I meant the library of games is good
@rokosikYep 👍
Nintendo is definitely not going to remove their cartridge slot because of the MIG Switch cart. The vast majority of people don't want to get technical with that stuff and will just buy their games legally. People are going to find methods for Switch 2 modding and there really isn't anything Nintendo can do about it.
They are going to remove the cartridge slot because these idiots keep getting the MIG flash cart
But is it been too late to change anything if it’s already in production?
@@itstoasty7089DS flash carts were massive and so much easier to use, more readily available, more useful, etc., than the MIG cart, but Nintendo still allowed all of them to work on the 3DS anyway because there's no way to block them without breaking backwards compatibility, which they need because (like the DS), the switch library is Massive and no one is going to upgrade if they can't keep their old game library.
You don't make money on console sales, you make it on software sales, which is why even abandoning the Switch is a massive gamble for NIntendo, the Wii U put them in the red because it failed to shift enough consoles for anyone to buy the hardware.
If the new console doesn't have backwards compatibility it's a much harder sell for current Switch owners, which is a major problem for Nintendo since there's so many of them
I don't think they should release a new switch (or even console) anytime soon. I've had my switch since the year it came out and still have much more use to get out of it
@@miracle3515 The hardware objectively needs a refresh, it was underpowered the day it was released and that was nearly 7 years ago.
@@ambientNexus I agree that it’s underpowered, but I think that’s fine honestly. Nintendo consoles don’t need to be as powerful as the newest PlayStation or Xbox. People mainly play the switch for its exclusives. None of which are that intensive on the system
@@miracle3515 Never said it had to be as powerful as the newest hardware from Sony or Microsoft, all I said was that it was severely underpowered from release date onwards.
@@miracle3515 The switch absolutely needs a replacement. It's been 7 years and that's about as long as a console generation tends to go. The Switch is heavily outdated in hardware and developers will continue to get frustrated if they don't they don't upgrade soon
The Wii U suffered from thousands of issues, the first of which being thst it was called the Wii U. The gamecube suffered from its proprietary discs and also being stacked agaisnt the PS2.
i’ve been having this same fear cause everyone seems to want a stronger switch and yet that’s just a repeat of the wii u situation… they claim it was a marketing issue which i agree, but also how would a switch 2 be any different in that sense… i want it to be good so hopefully they pull through!
The thing is ppl currently doesn't care for something that's not a improved switch, the brand has only gotten stronger through the years, unlike wii brand, that why a wii 2 and a switch 2 would perform so differently
Wii U also had a really weak launch line up. I think nintendo by now learned you can't start a console with a bad line up and expect sucess.
So with a strong opening line up, actually good advertising and there current momentum which has never been stronger I think nintendo has a good chance of success this time.
Mind you not switch sucess but definitely a respectable number way above gamecube and 64 numbers
A stronger switch (assuming it had an ok name and backwards compat) would be far more like the DS > 3DS than the Wii > Wii U case.
@@teknixstuff fair but pretty much every predecessor has performed worse than the original… the snes, gamecube, 3ds, wii u… there’s reason to be concerned but i’m sure it’ll still be good
The SNES and the 3DS don't really count because their "predecessors" sold crazy well, not to mention the N64 sold less than the SNES. There is also the fact that the Wii is based on the Gamecube but the Wii outperformed it saleswise 5x over.
2:58 maybe you could make the cartridge a different shape like the game boy, GB Advance games, or DS/3DS shape
The N64 wasn't a huge success, it underperformed and got DESTROYED by the PS1.
1) Dont think that they are going the change the format of the cardtridges. They changed form discs to cards because the switch portable mode.
2)Online main problem is that the lag is unacceptable for a paid service.
3)Well honestly, they need to release new consoles because the technology becomes more demanding. What I can agree is that the life cycle of a console should be longer. 8-10 years more or less
They just need to call it SwitchU, and it will guarntee that. Aside of that they really should make abetter design to replace joycons. Its abysmal how uncomfortable they are in handheld mode. They should follow the design of some of the aftermarket joycon replacements that fill the hands better.
The rarest thing in video games history is the PS1 to PS2 for the sales hit peak levels and will never see the exact success ever again.
DVD playback helped the ps2 A LOT, it was a relatively cheap DVD player at a time where the format was pretty popular.
They tried the same with the PS3 and Blu Ray, but the thing was prohibitively expensive, without considering inflation, it was more expensive than a Series X or a PS5 with a disc drive. In fact, you could literally get a wii, a 360 with no hard drive and a 360 memory card for the same price, or a 20GB Xbox 360 and a Wii for only 50 USD more.
Switch could still outsell the DS and PS2.
what about GB to DS? lol
The main difference between the Wii and the Switch. Is that the Switch has a growing hardcore community of people who will buy more then one or two games. Unlike the Wii that people bought for Wii Sports, and Mario Kart Wii and maybe a few other games.
This is nonsense. The NES and the SNES was massively popular and the N64 was not as popular and went on a downward trend so this video already started on a crappy foundation. You can’t predict anything about consoles reliably, just wait and see
Ps2 was a glorified dvd player for many, as it was cheaper than a dvd player. Ps1 was bought en mass because everyone burnt copies of games. PS3 didn’t sell because no enough people cared about blue ray
The MIG Switch ain't gonna do nothing to the next console, don't you guys remember R4? The 3DS was compatible with DS games too.
I think the Wii U is one of the best consoles because it had its own games, the E shop, AND backwards compatibility with the Wii
nintendo 64 is a flop compared to PS1
So piracy is one the problems 2:18... again, people trying to fool the system while having cash. I can understand doing pdf of books for college that costs high as much or even more than a game, but a game itself? People are so in NEED to the point of something that's not necessity?
I can't take your analysis seriously if you didn't deep dive enough to find out N64 was not a huge success at all
I’ve been thinking about this ever since Nintendo Switch 2 was rumored to be the official name. Glad you’ve put my thought to words.
Glad I was able too.
"2" is a significantly more marketable term than "U". It's a lot easier for people to tell what the hell is going on with a "2". We're used to number schemes with iPhones and such.
@@bcj842Right? It’s worked fine for PlayStation. It works fine for movies
Paying for online is stupid. No console should make you pay for using your own internet
They charge you for using their servers. Which need money to mantain. Now if it is peer-to-peer, then I can agree with you
@@cristiany140 the switch is all peer to peer.
@@DankyApethey use servers to match and only a few games use p2p like splatoon and mk8
N64 was not a 'huge success' by any measure. This' 'pattern' is a very simplistic analysis.
i came across this video in my reccomended and im honestly shocked by how little views it has, hope this blows up because its a quality video!
Thanks
There's a bit of a misunderstanding here when it comes to why companies sell consoles. Usually, companies will sell their consoles at a loss, meaning that they don't make any money off of console sales themselves. That's why the Switch could be sold for just $300. The reason companies do this is because they want to get their system in the hands of as many people as possible so that they can make money off of their software.
So the main reason Nintendo would feel pressure to make a new console would likely be due to an inability to sell new software on it, which, given the Switch's technical limitations, makes sense. You can't port something like Elden Ring to the switch.
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“ We have every single 3D Mario game, except Mario Galaxy 2. “
*Mario 3D Land:*
1:27 I mean the Gamecube was backward compatible with the Gameboy advance but not with a home console
Forgot about that!
Nintendo GameCube was actually ahead of the curve in many aspects. The OG Xbox came in later in the gen and PS2 was also a dvd player.
What made the Gamecube fail was 2 things:
1. The use of Mini Dvds, which made the console hard to breach/hack (took people like 4 years to crack it) but limited development as mini dvds had way less storage in.
2. I believe the console itself was hard to develop for, same happened with the WiiU and PS3.
Edit: What actually happens is that companies get cocky after the successful previous gen, and start making a lot of decisions that hurt them.
We've seen Cocky Nintendo, Playstation and Xbox at least once.
Both of those were causes but I don’t think neither one will effect the next system.
It's funny because one of the factors that made the PS2 a huge success and the most sold console ever, was its modchip boosted piracy. Many, many people in huge cities of third world countries never saw a PS2 original game outside some big stores.
@@VTorner Yep, that's another factor but many would disregard it. In my country I didn't know a single person without a hacked PS2.
@@CidPsyNope the GameCube was in fact the second easiest console to develop for. Due to its simple and well known PowerPC architecture and being very powerful in its generation. Certain aspects of the GameCube was better than the Original Xbox. Like far more raw polygonal output, faster memory, smaller discs had faster load times, very efficient in power and performance per watt and had a much faster CPU than the Xbox. Xbox had a lot more ram, could hold a lot more memory on its discs, was basically a PC so easier to develop for, superior shaders, better component output support.
@@ZackSNetwork Well I do say this out of memory and we'fre talking about 20 years now xD but at any rate, didn't remember it was easy to develop for.
What I do remember was the controversy of the Mini Dvds implementation and its smaller capacity of storage, I remember articles and articles pilling up on that on how it wpuld impact the console negatively.
In a way we can also attribute the commercial failure of the system due to all the negativity surrounding it as the succesor of the N64. Kinda reminds me what happened to the Switch previous to its release actually.
I personally like the concept of the WIi U. Also, the ability to use a pen and the idea to play simulataneously on two separate screens is great. Nintendo might just had a bit of bad luck with it. I would love to see a revision of it
Nope it was dumb.
It all depends on how you percieve it
Me personally, it was...ok. nothing more nothing less
My cousins used the Wii U more anyway for playing Just Dance-
I personally agree!
@@Aliix458 for just dance? Really? I’m not judging, I just find Xbox 360 and Xbox one ( but not the series X|S) to be the best platforms for Just Dance, they’re a lot of fun with Kinect
If they couldn't find a use for the gamepad screen in 2012, then how exactly would they manage to find uses for it over a decade later? Face it, the gamepad was a complete mistake.
your logic is flawed the N64 was not a successful generation, your ignoring the handheld console side which has always done better than the home console side, the generations that flopped didnt have mega sellers like the handheld systems did where as Switch 2 will have them such as Pokemon and Animal Crossing which were on the 3DS which while the worst selling handheld still did 76 million not a flop by any means then include a new Mario Kart, 3D Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Luigis Mansion and other big selling games next gen cant be another Wii U or GameCube situation
They don't seem to get that the Switch isn't a home console, it's a handheld with an HDMI port.
@@eclipticsonata1313 It's a Hybrid system. Both a Handheld and a Home console.
@@Stephan5916 It's really just a handheld with dedicated cooling and HDMI port though. The handheld division was probably already working on it as a potential follow-up to the 3DS, but with the failure of the Wii U they expedited it's release. In these videos they completely ignore that handhelds have always been the bulk of Nintendo's sales, not home consoles. All Nintendo handhelds sell well, so the boom bust (mostly bust) cycle of their consoles is basically irrelevant.
Switch is a handheld. It's not the first handheld to be able to connect to a TV as both the PSP and the Sega Gamegear could do it
Nintendo doesnt have to do anything crazy with the next console. Literally just make a better switch in terms of power and capability, maybe add a few cool unique features, and theyre golden.
What I wish for on the next Nintendo switch is Personality, which the switch doesn't have, and that little birthday easter egg hardcoded into the system, just like the Wii U has.
1:52 Super mario 3d land: Am i a joke to you?
Its just all branding and depends on how you "cut" the generations. Like the GBA only had 3 years in the market and is a continuation of the SNES.
1:49 nintendo land.
1:51 NINTENDO LAND!
1:55 NINTENDO LAND!!!!
I think that retro would be a great abscence this "next generation" if it doesn't make it. Switch library is massive and covers Wii U, many indie games and probably the most Nintendo exclusives in a generation. But, sadly, I can easily see Nintendo cutting retro, blaming flashcarts and making with this a move to sell even more Switches (now limited, because end of generation).
If there calling it the switch 2 its almost guaranteed to be backwards compatible
the nintendo 64 was a complete failure
@Jake In the eyes of Nintendo it was a failure but it was still profitable.
the switch is not just a GameCube or WiiU, it is a DS and 3DS as well. Those have had a rich history of success from that transition. I think that the switch is more of a handheld than a home console. That is Nintendo’s strength. You can’t just base the switch’s success based off home consoles, you have to look at everything
Why the next console could be a failure? Let me guess... Nintendo made so much game since the legendary Super Mario Bros NES in 1985 and manage to get more people who join them into their community over the years since arround 40 years by go on several consoles with the N64, GCN, Wii, Wii U, GBA, DS and 3DS and, when we see what we got about games in Switch for those 7 years, we can understand why they aren't interest for the next Nintendo console so buy the next Nintendo console for what exactly? For get better graphics than the previous consoles but, just like the Switch, we gonna have a lot of grab money game with more than 10 Pokemon games and 6 Fire Emblem and 6 Kirby games with a lot of old video game port that we have played before and still know them perfectly like Peach possessed at the end of Paper Mario TTYD as final boss, Mario paint see in fully in the last mansion from Luigi's Mansion 2 and the two endings about Mario vs Donkey Kong about the second with Mario comfort DK by offer him one of his own tiny Mario toys?
And, meanwhile, we gonna have nothing for a new Star Fox and Kid Icarus games, not even a remastered if Nintendo is too lazy for made a new game, just 3 Metroid games, just one sort of Rom hack about F-Zero from the SNES to the Switch with 99 players instead made a new 3D game or a remastered game if they are still lazy for do a new game and just one Pikmin game while the 3 others was port and the Mario Kart true fans never get their new Mario Kart on Switch who doesn't smell the 2014 Wii U port about to put more stuff 10 years later like if the game was release unfinished on the Wii U that they need to fix it 10 years later instead turn the page and made a new game? And we don't even forget when the Animal Crossing was feeling bettray by Nintendo by complaint about a lot ot things about their game on Switch.
So, without joking, who gonna be enought d*mb like a f*ck for spend a lot of hundred buck for buy their next console just for play recycled video game and a lot of grab money game instead play new fresh game and various game seriously?
what's the song at minute 5:00?
Bonneton from Super Mario Odyssey
The thing is, this time they really don't have to change much except focusing on more power.
I mean, this video is a failure because weirdly it didn't take into account the handhelds, which never flop. Therefore by the thesis of your video, if the next system is a handheld still and the handhelds don't flop, how could it flop?
A lot of your other takes I don't really get, like how online should SOMETIMES be free, because it's really arbitrary and people won't be happy with whatever games they ignore with such an initiative. And I don't think the flashcard is a big enough deal for it to be a point (listen buddy, if you were a hardcore gamer with a DS you likely owned R4, yet it didn't affect them much then). The flashcard not being a big deal for Nintendo compared to other systems (paging the Dreamcast) is because they have far more casual appeal, and casuals simply won't do this because it's too much effort/afraid of getting account banned/potentially bricking the console etc.
I know right? I just hope this video stays up even after Switch 2 isn't a flop. And ofc they ALWAYS ignore the handhelds and just mention the Wii U.
I don’t remember the Nintendo 64 being considered a commercial success. I’m pretty sure that flopped as well and was beat by the PS1
Wild thought... What if nintendo allows Nintendo 3DS and Wii U games to be played on the Switch 2? I mean thinking about it... call me crazy but they are closing the stores for the 3ds and Wii U this year which makes room for the Switch 2 system.
Bruh. The console hasn't been announced. Lmao.
I don't want to buy Nintendo Switch Online since I want to own everything that I pay for.
Great video but at 1:52 you forgot 3d land and super paper Mario (kinda)
You mean 3d land and SM64 DS?
SPM is a spinoff
@@ptanker9236 64 ds is a rerelease so I didn’t count it
@@toasttoast7487 It’s not a rerelease, It’s a full blown remake for a hand held and people would obviously want it in a 3D Mario collection
I just hope the new system is 100% backwards compatible with current Switch cartridges with no online nonsense being required. If they want a different size or shape cartridge for Switch 2, that’s fine, but put a regular Switch cartridge slot somewhere on the thing also.
Just like the 3DS Is able to play DS games but 3DS cartridges have a slightly different shape
I think the next console that has a foldable screen to have 2 screens like 3ds games but can close it to just have one screen
Edit:I don't know how it would work except but something to that effect,a way to have it be like the wii u were you can have it in handheld but also on your TV at the same time would be sick,basically a switch but with the Gimmicks of 2 other gens,I think I'd be really good and make more ways to play and open up different possibilities,say in like,a splatoon 4 you can use x then tap one of the 4 left things to superjump you could also have it be like the wii u were the handheld could be the map,and as an idea to make it easier to not have it be 2 consols it's to have it when it's in the wii u mode to only be able to be a certain distance away to maybe stop any shenanigans
1:51 Meanwhile, Super Mario 3D Land:
As long as they name it the Super Switch it will succeed.
The prophecy holds true
The SNES sold less than NES so yea
It needs to fulfill some kind of need that the Switch doesn't, much the same way that the Switch fulfills a need that the Wii U didn't, and the way that the Wii U didn't fulfill any needs that the Wii didn't. If it's just a souped-up Switch, only hardcore Nintendo fans will buy it. The same people that bought a Wii U.
My proposal for a switch successor: Nintendo Attach & Switch
Hardware Spec:
Power: about equivalent 2013 version PS4/Xbox one or steam deck, 1.5 tflops portable and 2 tflops docked
Graphics: 1080p30/720p60 OLED handheld, 1440p30/1080p60 docked
Same cartridge slot except with a piece missing, allows for switch compatibility but new game can’t fit in switchs’ cartridge slot
7” version sold for $349, with a mini version(5.5”) that have LCD for $299
From factor/gimmicks:
A screen and 2 joy-con similar to the switch
The joy-con is modified to remove joy-con drift as well as the addition of pointer control
The new joy-con have a mechanism to swap out the directional button for a D-pad(included) and swap out the main button for a GCN layout(layout piece sold separately)
The switch screen also have a piece of slide rail at the top, allowing the new dock(which is sliced into) to show the screen of the switch
The top slide rail of the attach & switch can also let the switch ‘attach’ other accessories(sold separately)
e.g.
A screen accessories to put on top of it for a DS-like experience but can also be held separately with plugged in joy-con for a more Wii U like one
A front/rear camera + microphone accessories allows for AR stuff but also can be used separately with the kickstand for motion tracking/allowing the game to work when docked
A 3D screen accessories for everything the regular screen accessories do but also have a 3D slider to allow for stereoscopic 3D
A plastic piece allows for VR experience(not as great as PS/Xbox)
Software/Switch Online:
Street pass is coming back, this time used the joy-con to track steps and stuff using the motion sensor
The attach & switch have more software features like Wii, Wii U, DSi and 3DS
A photo app for some photo editing
A sound app for play around with recorded audio
A world news app similar to the Wii
A weather app
A camera app
Mytendo: a upgraded Mii with clothing support
Nintendoverse: Nintendo’s take on the metaverse, which allows for interaction for your Mytendo and also chat with others with picture, share flip note and have game community. This time with ai assisted filtering
Switch online is altered to have 2 tiers
P2P online is now free
Base tier for $29.99 for NES, SNES, sega genesis, master system, N64, Gameboy and GBA games alongside dedicated servers
Expansion pack for $39.99 for GCN, Dreamcast and DS games at launch, with Wii and 3DS later
You can innovate in the same from factor as the switch
Is this insider information??
@@TheRenaissanceOfficial No, but it would be quite cool to hear your opinion about this proposal
If we're lucky, it could at least sell less than Switch, but only by a few million, so it's still successful despite selling a little less.
That would be similar to 3DS sales compared to DS sales.
DS: 154 million
3DS: 76 million
I don’t think, the switch is handheld it’s has his own demand
I mean if they wanted to do backwards compatibility without the flash card being a problem, they could just make it so you would "unlock" all your physical switch games digitally on the next consols eShop the day it comes out or something. People would probably be able to sneak a pirated game or two through, but it's better than people being able to pirate switch games forever. Assuming the new console has backwards compatibility.
Maybe Nintendo is just banking on being able to sue anyone who tries to sell flash cards, Or maybe backwards compatibility was never on the table internally at Nintendo. who knows
I really think the biggest reason for people to want a new console is the power of the switch, not the need for a new gimmick. Just look at recent pokemon games, mobile games look better than that nowadays, i can barely call my switch a console, but thats just my opinion
Good video. My biggest worry would be the lack of games during the first year. Nintendo has a habit of releasing a lot of big games during the last years of their systems, leaving them with few games for their new console's launch.
It happened with the N64 and GC with games like banjo-tooie, mario party 3, perfect dark or majoras mask that could have been prepared as gamecube sequels close to launch...Then, they tried to revive many of their classic IPs right as the wii era was ending, with new super mario bros., WiiDKCreturns, kirby return to dreamland, metroid other m, skyward sword... As a result, many wiiu games not only came too late, but they also felt too similar...
They had to sacrifice one year of the wiiu to prepare a good launch for the switch...And yet they seem to be repeating the same choice: They gave us some big games like tears of the kingdom, pikmin 4, mario wonder,... Even the extra mk8 tracks look like something that could have reworked for mk9... Of course i enjoy these games, but how many developers are left creating games for switch 2?
Yeah, but what sell consoles the most are the exclusives if the switch 2 or whatever ends being called might have improved versions of the joy, con controllers but a bit bigger similar size duelsense
I feel like. If they make a new “switch” it will be almost guaranteed it will be a flop. If they change the name and completely change the design maybe it will work but I still feel like it’s going to do way worse than the switch either way because of the success
For the new console i just want a better controller and more power. Maybe also switch to discs so games aren't too restricted by storage
Discs would be a downgrade and would be slower and hold less space. Flash storage on these carts can be really big. A disk drive would nt only add significant weight and size but also a lot more ould be worse in every way and it's why the PSP to Vita went from discs to carts
I think Nintendo would do good in that the Switch 2 is literally just make the new console the un-docked handheld version that way they can sell it for cheaper meaning easier turn around for always having consoles available, which is one of the switches biggest issues, and if your want a new dock they can keep the OG price of the switch.
Combatting piracy is counterproductive imo, because pirates were never going to buy the games in the first place.
Why is it videos likes these still use Wii U? And not only that ignoring Nintendo's handheld success is a major red flag in my opinion.
I think Nintendo should do the opposite of what all the game companies are doing: Make the console older style.
Everyone’s trying to make new consoles more modern, but people are getting more interested in old game every year, so why not make a console that can only run up to 64bit games?
The Switch Minus.
I don't think they are cursed to have a failed console next but I still hurt from what happened with the Wii U. In terms of gamecube I love that system.
As a Wii U enjoyer seeing all the negativity around it sucks man
@@miracle3515 But are you really shocked by it? The gamepad was the central gimmick for the console, and yet even they could barely manage to find a use for it, let alone third-party developers. That, combined with it being so much weaker than the offerings by Sony and Microsoft, meant it was objectively the worst purchase anyone could make in terms of eighth gen consoles. And that's without mentioning the absolutely terrible marketing they did for the console.
@@ambientNexus you aren’t wrong at all. looking at it now it makes sense why a lot of people didn’t care for the Wii U. But as a kid I didn’t care about any of that I just thought it was a fun console
@@miracle3515 Same here, I had it as a kid too.
Next console will have mainline pokemon so it won’t flop but it could do worse than switch
I’m just mad because everything for some reason has to have round edges. LIKE WHY CAN’T IT JUST BE A NORMAL RECTANGLE D:
probably so it doesn’t feel horrible on the hands, don’t think it’d be very pleasant to have the edges of the controller bury deep into your palms (unless you like having numb hands)
Well that can curve but why is it an oval
Like the Wii U that’s also in the thumbnail is fine
I have a feeling it might fail, but it won't be Wii U bad bc of how the gaming sphere and market has evolved over the year plus with the games like mario kart and pokemon coming that it will be a success in a way
nintendo should do what sony did with the transition from ps4 to 5. many big sony releases such as tlou 2 and gow ragnarok released on both the ps4 and 5, but games that relied on ps5 hardware to run such as rift apart and spider-man 2 released exclusive to ps5. that ease of transition in combination with a backwards compatible system would be, in my eyes, a really good thing for nintendo to at least think about
Eh I'm not so sure on that one. That business move from Sony appears to have only hurt the PS5's sales, and it is why people still say it has no games.
This move would really confuse parents
@@patrickfrancis9245 Yea, it barely has anything. But it's not unlike the previous generations. Like the original PS4, I didn't feel like it was worth the investment until the PS4 Pro era came around (especially starting from 2017) and the library got a whole lot better. I finally went and got the PS4 Pro + RDR2 bundle in 2018.
Right now in early February 2024 it feels like the PS4 era in around 2015 and there just ain't no way I'm getting a PS5 now.
@greengamer6199 Both of them are maintaining survival by gatekeeping games and making them exclusive on their consoles. Nintendo is nothing without the games. PS is also relying on exclusives. That's where the "no games" complaint comes from. PS5 has plenty of games if you count non-exclusives. More games than ever, due to PS4 backwards compatibility.
I do not consider the Switch to be the successor to the Wii U and will die on this hill. It is the successor to the 3DS. Nintendo's core business, where they have traditionally made most of their sales, is handhelds. The Wii U was their last console and they have gone all in on handhelds, the thing they know best. All of their handhelds, except the Game & Watches from the 1980's have cleared 75 million units. The Wii is their only console to clear 75 million units. If the next Switch is a handheld, which it 100% will be, it will not be a flop.
I think that people often dont realize that the vast majority of people who buy nintendo systems aren't hardcore gamers who buy every system. if they still have something relatively new, they probably wont buy the new thing coming out. I think there is also a chance the new system could be sell better, since they waited so long after releasing the switch. as long as it's not too similar to the switch it might do ok.
Great video! I never comment but just wanted to let you know I found it very entertaining & well made.
Thank you very much.
As great a console as it is, do we really consider the N64 to be some huge success? It sold 10 million more than the GameCube, which is often thought of as a commercial failure, and it was way behind the PlayStation at 102 million. To put the N64's level of success on the same level as the Wii and Switch; both of which sold over 100 million seems strange.
1:52 umm what about mario 3d land 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
what is with everyone useing the same switch 2 mockup, it looks so uncofterable to hold
I feel like the PlayStation Portal or steam deck could become a real Problem for the next Nintendo Gen. Nobody is gonna buy a worse version of a game for mobile if you have a handheld that lets you use your entire home console or pc library.
Not really
people mention the mig switch cartrige alot when backwards compatibility is talked about for the switch 2 but you have to keep in mind that nintendo probably as been working on the switch 2 for years at this point during which the mig switch didn't exist yet. by the point thr mig switch was announced nintendo likely wasn't making any big changes to the switch 2
I think you hit the nail with this video. I thought it was unjustified for them to sell a game like Splatoon that people could only play if they were already paying for a monthly service. That's the only reason I never bought it.
If the next gaming console has the word “switch” in it, it will fail. Like the Nintendo 64 to the Wii, those 2 were best selling consoles because their names weren’t alike, if the Wii U was called literally anything else, it would have sold so so much better, literally possibly surpassing the Wii
What a horrendous take. You can’t seriously be arguing that the name alone was worth over 86 million units sold.
The Wii U failed due to extremely poor marketing. Naming it the Switch 2 won't cause it to fail as long as the marketing isn't awful. I can't tell you how many people either didn't know the Wii U existed or the fact that they thought it was an Addon for the Wii. PlayStation has used the same name since 1994 and just making the number bigger. If the Wii U was called something else it likely still would have failed because no one knew about the system
All wii u does is to celebrate your bday with random miis
Online will not be free. If anything it'll be more expensive. It's the perfect time to increase it.
I think what also Nintendo ahould worry about is the Steam Deck, the Yuzu emulator and the massive library of games available on it that can run better in it than a switch should make Nintendo worry too.
Not really. Steam Deck is niche compared to the big 3.
It’s estimated to have sold between 2-3 million. The percentage of people that
1. Own a steam deck
2. Know how to emulate
3. Are willing to pirate
is much smaller than you think.
As someone who owns both, Nintendo literally has nothing to worry about concerning any PC handheld. They are completely separate markets. Yuzu doens't even run every game that well on the deck
so, a few important things to note are the following:
the n64 wasn't really a 'success', it was outsold 3:1 by the PS1.
The gamecube sold poorly because of the mini-DVD format, which made porting larger games to it way more difficult along with a controller that kinda sucked for anything that wasn't a gamecube game and it also lacked L1, L3, R3 and select.
The Wii U not only sold poorly due to what could only be described as a marketing fuck-up of astronomical proportions, but also because their release cycles were as dry as a desert, while often also having the worse version of AAA games.
due to the small storage and a few other reasons, Wii U AAA games often lacked proper multiplayer, DLC and other features people wanted. Why buy COD ghosts on the wii-u when you can get more out of the game on PS4 or XB1?
If the rumors of the 'switch 2' being a similar speed to a PS4 are true, I think that a new gimmick won't be as important as having a large library of really fun games, as that's what made the Wii and Switch sell so many units plus you could also port quite a lot more cross-platform games onto the switch 2.
Nintendo Switch online is not such a big problem, but what makes it worse is that playing online is also extremely laggy, so you pay for playing even worse
That's because they aren't even hosting servers for these games, all of the games either rely on peer-to-peer connections or for the game publishers to host their own servers. The money for NSO is going straight into Nintendo's pockets.
i feel like they should have an actual handheld companion system that’s less powerful than the main console as a backup plan incase the console fails, that’s pretty much what happened with the wii u and 3ds
Personally I think we’re fine with the next Nintendo console, what we should be discussing is whether the console after it will be a failure because of the the 3rd console curse, I know it would be their 9th but it seems to happen each time with a companies 3rd console and Nintendo has had it happen to them twice now with the Wii u and N64
I really just wanna see what gimmick they'll come up with instead of just "It's the Nintendo Switch again."
They'll only be harming themselves by trying to push more gimmicks, they really should realize by now that they never manage to support those gimmicks in the long term for their consoles.
please no more gimmicks
@@ambientNexus honestly I worded it wrong, I just wanna see something that isn't just "the switch again"
@@ColePhelpsLAPD The switch is not only highly successful, it also unified their formerly separate home console and handheld focuses into a single product that covers both. They'd be complete idiots to throw it all away for some new gimmick that would only end up harming sales.
What else would they even do anyways? I mean, for all of their gimmick consoles (only partially including the wii), they just ended up abandoning said gimmicks halfway through the lifespan of the system. For the 3ds, most of the games later on just stopped supporting 3d altogether, same with streetpass. The gamepad was nearly useless throughout the entire lifespan of the Wii U. Even the original DS had devs barely being able to find uses for both of the screens at once.
@@ambientNexusI'm not completely against the idea of a Switch 2, I understand that it absolutely the best way to go. I just feel like waiting 7 years for something new and it just being the same thing, again, would be boring. Also I dislike that it's both a home console and a handheld because it limits what it's allowed to do. Yeah, having a new one would fix that, but it would still be in my eyes a handheld console that you can play on the tv where the graphics in portable mode are impressive for the time, but real soon be obsolete. I wouldn't mind it especially if they added any notable features, but I would just see it more like a New Nintendo 3DS Vs an actual new console. Also I really shouldn't have said "gimmick" since I had an idea in mind for what that gimmick would be, but it's not really a "stupid Nintendo gimmick" as it's more so just an actually powerful console with some unique features.
I want the Super Switch U.
In Atomic Purple.
I would like another purple console for sure.
Nintendo confirmed the next console will be backwards compatible with switch games and it will be compatible with switch online.
We don't have every 3D Mario except Galaxy 2 on the Switch. You forgot 3D Land.
I think it’ll boil down to what the initial line up will be. Nintendo’s franchising are what sells units and make them stand out from the competition: a more powerful switch that launches with an amazing new zelda, 3D mario, metroid prime, animal crossing and pokemon (not even a good one) all in the span of, let’s say, 1.5 years will sell good. If they launch it with mario kart, mario party and other strictly casual stuff, it won’t be successful, casuals and families won’t find a reason to buy a new system
The next console from Nintendo will definitely be completely digital. In one of their shareholder conferences the ceo said that the success of the next console will hinge on their navigation of digital games. No one knows what that means, but for me success means letting me purchase digital titles and having the freedom to play them on any console. Today there is a restriction on main console that is unacceptable. They will need to open up their library sharing to make it equivalent to owning a cartridge.
It definitely will NOT be completely digital. That’s a guarantee.
Nintendo games are still 50-50 physical/digital and in Japan it’s more like 70-30 physical. There’s no way Nintendo is going to alienate their massive physical audience.
And not even Sony lets you play a digital title on any system. You get your main console and a secondary console