Originally KV-1 Zis 5 was at 4.3 BR and doing alright, then Gaijin decided to put it on 4.7 And now Swedish KV-1 being at 5.0 with low pen soviet gun at the 3.7 br while german has a functional 75 mm gun. Also you have to keep in mind that KV-1E and B exist that are objectively better BR wise and armor wise.
I cant argue about unfortunate uptiers but it should be 5.0 if USSR is 4.7. Its pen is 125mm at 950 m/s versus 96mm at 655 m/s. It has slightly better front armor. it has a decent improvement to side armor esp turret. and the roof armor goes from 40mm to 100mm. If it was 4.7 people would be losing their minds
It has the exact same functionally to the ZiS-5, meaning it has 125mm of pen with an APCR round and 96 with the APHE. Same as the other KV-1 with more armor except for the turret at 4.7. The turret front is significantly thicker than most guns at its br can reasonably pen since it’s volumetric. The roof is only about 40 mm because again, it’s volumetric. Regardless of this, the gun should make it 4.7 worthy alone
2:19 I see you also have this weird binoculars bug. Trying to look somewhere and it goes black then you realize you're looking in a completely different direction
Summary: Day 1 of asking for ISU-152, using HEAT rounds One of the reasons why I like your vids is that you play low tier(for me, it is below 7.0) often. For a f2p like me(370hrs), grinding top tier is pain, and playing top tier seems like pain(especially because I don't play planes). I would like you to take a look at ISU-152 at 4.7(not SU-152 at 4.0). I have played su-152, but not grinded isu-152. Comparing the two, I didn't see much of a difference except the isu-152 getting a 250mm pen HEAT round. However, I rarely see ISU-152s using HEAT. I know the downsides of HEAT and how fatal that can be to ISU-152, but I think an expert like you might find reasons why this tank is at 4.7. Thanks for reading this long comment.
the fact Gaijin thinks it’s okay this thing has to fight Panther F’s G’s and Tiger E’s in a uptier is absurd. since it’s 5.0 you’ll get almost nothing but full up tiers. 8/10 matches played with it for me i was bottom tier.
4.7 dude. The ZiS is still workable even at 4.7, even though it probably is more suited to 4.3. The turret on this thing is actually extremely good from the front if you take a look, but the gun really holds it back.
Nah, Gaijin saw the backlash before it got released and now that even pro players struggle with it they will lower it. It is a premium that they want people to buy after all.
If you do use it, the turret front will bounce pretty much any round thrown at it, even at those little ‘flat’ corner bits you see. Angle the hull and point the turret at the enemy with slight wiggles if anything and you can bounce anything short of the long 88, and be mostly immune to the long 75. Your gun is a problem however, as you’ll struggle to kill a bunch of tanks frontally. Try and single out what you can while tanking what you can’t kill, and disable those that you can’t to make it easier on yourself and Allies.
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 Thanks for the tips! I’ll test it out this weekend when I get a break from work and family. I also use the KV-IB a lot, and your suggestions seem to align with a similar playstyle. Sweden is fun - I’m considering adding the sneaky SAV 20.12.48 to the lineup, even though it’s just 3.7, to give the enemies a hard time in the early game :)
@@encinasmotion they do seemingly play similar, but the gun will be a massive problem compared to it. As long as you can work around that, you’ll be set.
Sweden doesn't have any heavy tanks, how to fix that? That's simple add a king tiger hidden behind the premium battlepass! Oh one heavy is not enough and you want a tech tree variant? Sure there is a 5.0 KV that shouldn't be there but is there because it has a roof mounted MG, oh and it's premium. You didn't say which side of the tech tree you want it on am i right? 🙃
Play the t54 at 8.0 without stabiliser because you said t54 at 8.0 with stabilizer was bad ;) day 16. Ill keep this going for quite some time if i have to 😶
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 the zis-5 has normal Kv 1 armor, the B and E variants ( 4.0) have more armor than the zis-5, but the swede kv1 gets up armored with the 3.7 gun should follow the same trend as the B and E at 4.0. Not 5.0
@@jessehill9439 the turret is still thicker if you look at it. Volumetric all around makes it frontally as thick as a panther can pen. Also, it should be lower than 5.0, but not 4.0
I really doubt that the Emil will ever be implemented. That tank was, at best, a mockup. It goes into the argument of paper tanks or no paper tanks. If implemented we'll be working with completely made up values for the turret. Completely made up values and a completely made up turret model. They're not likely to set the making of such a model into motion. Another surbaissé tank could be cool tho.
@@whilliamblamet187 its not a mockup,the hull has been built with a working engine and electronic and even got tested with a dummy turret Considering hori existence,kran is possible,if gaijin run out of idea.
@@TRAMMMFAKK it’s pen is worse than the jumbo except in angle pen like most Russian APHE. Its armor, however, isnt worse, just not foolproof. The turret is genuinely very good actually if you look at it in protection analysis, being about 160 at the corners from the front, and only getting stronger as you aim further from mantlet itself as it’s all volumetric. As you get closer to it, you’ll have to pen both the turret and mantlet at the same time, which is a problem regardless of the tank. It’ll actually reliably stop the 88 and long 75 without doing anything there, and if you can angle the hull, you’ll be difficult to kill. The gun does genuinely let it down, but it’s better than the KV ZiS-5 overall. 4.7 should probably be its br if anything, because the armor can’t really make up for the gun enough to justify 5.0
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 every oponent ive faced in that thing shoots my hull and even if im agled it does jack shit. It needs to be 4.7 or 4.5 since its a heavy tank, they are supposed to be hard to kill. And its a russian one as well
@@TRAMMMFAKK I’m gonna be honest, if you angled and something penned you anyway, it was either a bad angle or a more powerful gun than you can expect to handle. And I do agree 4.7 is fine for it. 4.3 is really pushing it because this thing would absolutely smash in even a slight downtier, as the shorter 75s and even the early 76s you’d see would have a difficult if not impossible time killing you.
@@Kijby /s means sarcasm. But also when we are on the topic of pen. Never use flat angle pen to compare shells. What matters is the 60 degrees angled pen on shells. The shell with the highest amount of 60 degrees pen is the shell you want.
@@laurentiusalvaro Pz IV needs to go up in BR though lol. I do not care if the players cannot learn. They must learn to play. I bring Pz IV f2 into 6.0 games because the gun is just that potent and you get easy "skill" silver lions medals. This made me look like I am humble bragging but I am so tired of seeing tanks like the VK, Panther D and Tiger IIs being too low in BR because germans complain that heat rounds pen their tanks. Meanwhile the other nations have to deal with german tanks 1 clicking them anywhere at all BRs lol.
The German KW 1 C 756(r) is a 5.0 and they moved that tank up to a 5.0 quite awhile ago and it does ahhhh alright I guess. They are almost the same tank seeing that German premium is a spoil of war from the Wars back in the 40s and they are pretty similar but not.
It's funny how the VK is just a lighter and significantly faster Panther with functionally similar armor but it's somehow at a lower BR than a regular panther whereas when a US(and others) tank sacrifices armor AND GUN for mobility they are the same BR as their heavier counterparts...
Because Gaijin looks at overall stats for each nation. Germany is at the bottom in terms of score and K/D ratio. So they always gimp the rest of the nations.
@5co756 "functionally similar armor" it's still strong enough to bounce most guns below 85mm. The gun mantlet is still very inconsistent. The Panther D is 5.3(eventhough i hate playing it, it still should be 5.7) with the same gun and gun handling but is a lot slower in both top speed and acceleration. Most tanks make trade off's like this for speed and keep the same BR but the VK somehow drops in BR?
@@michaelvigil5321 Sure you can put it at 5.7 , but with 15° turret traverse . Both tanks are pretty much useless with such a slow turret , you can't even follow a slow tank if he's moving . You always have to turn the hull too , like a TD . There is a M18 ten times better in every way , if you know how to play .
![War Thunder: USSR - KV-1 (L-11) Gameplay [1440p 60FPS]](/img/n.gif)
Originally KV-1 Zis 5 was at 4.3 BR and doing alright, then Gaijin decided to put it on 4.7
And now Swedish KV-1 being at 5.0 with low pen soviet gun at the 3.7 br while german has a functional 75 mm gun.
Also you have to keep in mind that KV-1E and B exist that are objectively better BR wise and armor wise.
The zis gun is actually really good. But 5.0 is too high for it. 4.7 is alright but 4.3 would be ideal.
This thing should be 4.7, theres no reason for it beeing higher than KV1 ZIS-5. O wait there is not a single 4.7 tank in the swedish tech tree...
Panzer 4 g is also 3.3 haha
@@BloodyCrow__ And the Pz IV family should be higher BR as well.
They finally put it to 4.7 @@ideadlift20kg83
Finally a p2lose tank 🥳
13:54 The "back to the hangar" is so true... there are so many maps in war thunder where you see what map you got and you instantly wanna leave.
Idk what Gaijin is smoking having this in the same BR as the KV1C with the long 75 .
Man as a swedish main I have waited so long for this vehicle just for them to absolutely butcher it… Feels bad
Nevertheless awesome video, as always!
I cant argue about unfortunate uptiers but it should be 5.0 if USSR is 4.7. Its pen is 125mm at 950 m/s versus 96mm at 655 m/s. It has slightly better front armor. it has a decent improvement to side armor esp turret. and the roof armor goes from 40mm to 100mm. If it was 4.7 people would be losing their minds
It has the exact same functionally to the ZiS-5, meaning it has 125mm of pen with an APCR round and 96 with the APHE. Same as the other KV-1 with more armor except for the turret at 4.7.
The turret front is significantly thicker than most guns at its br can reasonably pen since it’s volumetric. The roof is only about 40 mm because again, it’s volumetric. Regardless of this, the gun should make it 4.7 worthy alone
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0:12 Si las miradas matasen...
2:19 I see you also have this weird binoculars bug.
Trying to look somewhere and it goes black then you realize you're looking in a completely different direction
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Love your Videos btw
Summary: Day 1 of asking for ISU-152, using HEAT rounds
One of the reasons why I like your vids is that you play low tier(for me, it is below 7.0) often. For a f2p like me(370hrs), grinding top tier is pain, and playing top tier seems like pain(especially because I don't play planes). I would like you to take a look at ISU-152 at 4.7(not SU-152 at 4.0). I have played su-152, but not grinded isu-152. Comparing the two, I didn't see much of a difference except the isu-152 getting a 250mm pen HEAT round. However, I rarely see ISU-152s using HEAT. I know the downsides of HEAT and how fatal that can be to ISU-152, but I think an expert like you might find reasons why this tank is at 4.7. Thanks for reading this long comment.
it has the IS chassis instead of the KV, and a 360 50cal on top.
Be careful ! Tiger is coming !
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BPA_Jon don't look happy when playing this tank. Got the Serious stare in his eyes.
the fact Gaijin thinks it’s okay this thing has to fight Panther F’s G’s and Tiger E’s in a uptier is absurd.
since it’s 5.0 you’ll get almost nothing but full up tiers. 8/10 matches played with it for me i was bottom tier.
IMO it is a 4.3 KV1 at best
4.7 dude. The ZiS is still workable even at 4.7, even though it probably is more suited to 4.3. The turret on this thing is actually extremely good from the front if you take a look, but the gun really holds it back.
I just bought it but haven't had time to use it yet. I'll probably regret it. Bueno, a lo hecho pecho! 🤷♂
Nah, Gaijin saw the backlash before it got released and now that even pro players struggle with it they will lower it. It is a premium that they want people to buy after all.
If you do use it, the turret front will bounce pretty much any round thrown at it, even at those little ‘flat’ corner bits you see. Angle the hull and point the turret at the enemy with slight wiggles if anything and you can bounce anything short of the long 88, and be mostly immune to the long 75. Your gun is a problem however, as you’ll struggle to kill a bunch of tanks frontally. Try and single out what you can while tanking what you can’t kill, and disable those that you can’t to make it easier on yourself and Allies.
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 Thanks for the tips! I’ll test it out this weekend when I get a break from work and family. I also use the KV-IB a lot, and your suggestions seem to align with a similar playstyle. Sweden is fun - I’m considering adding the sneaky SAV 20.12.48 to the lineup, even though it’s just 3.7, to give the enemies a hard time in the early game :)
@@encinasmotion they do seemingly play similar, but the gun will be a massive problem compared to it. As long as you can work around that, you’ll be set.
Nakonec bude mít 4.7 br což už je reálnější a bude to více hratelné.
Včera sem ho koupil a není to tak zlý ale na 4.7 to bude o mnohem lepší hraní
Pay 2 lose is exactly how I play so its perfect for me. Shoot, I just paid $75 for a Tiger🎉
Day 36 of asking for the M48 super and for you to compare it to the Leo1a5 and T-72M1
same br as kv 1c btw
Sweden doesn't have any heavy tanks, how to fix that? That's simple add a king tiger hidden behind the premium battlepass! Oh one heavy is not enough and you want a tech tree variant? Sure there is a 5.0 KV that shouldn't be there but is there because it has a roof mounted MG, oh and it's premium. You didn't say which side of the tech tree you want it on am i right? 🙃
Play the t54 at 8.0 without stabiliser because you said t54 at 8.0 with stabilizer was bad ;) day 16. Ill keep this going for quite some time if i have to 😶
they should lower its BR pretty soon, needs to be at 4.0 with B and E variants
It doesn’t, it’s arguably better than the ZiS-5 variant, infact entirely better In the turret.
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 the zis-5 has normal Kv 1 armor, the B and E variants ( 4.0) have more armor than the zis-5, but the swede kv1 gets up armored with the 3.7 gun should follow the same trend as the B and E at 4.0. Not 5.0
@@jessehill9439 the turret is still thicker if you look at it. Volumetric all around makes it frontally as thick as a panther can pen. Also, it should be lower than 5.0, but not 4.0
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 we can agree to disagree, the gun is useless higher than 4.0. it should only ever see 3002s and m4s.
should've been tech tree but no gajin holding swedish heavies hostage. Atleast get ous the Kranvagn Emil
oh no that will be a fucking event vehicle im telling ya even tho its a fucking swedish made heavy.
I really doubt that the Emil will ever be implemented. That tank was, at best, a mockup. It goes into the argument of paper tanks or no paper tanks. If implemented we'll be working with completely made up values for the turret. Completely made up values and a completely made up turret model. They're not likely to set the making of such a model into motion. Another surbaissé tank could be cool tho.
Japan mains: first time?
@@whilliamblamet187actually the hull was fully built. The turret on the other hand
@@whilliamblamet187 its not a mockup,the hull has been built with a working engine and electronic and even got tested with a dummy turret
Considering hori existence,kran is possible,if gaijin run out of idea.
They need to pu it at around 4.0 or something
No, that’s dumb
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 tell me how, its got the penn of the jumbo only with worse armour. The tank it replicates is at like 4.0, it need a downtier
@@TRAMMMFAKK it’s pen is worse than the jumbo except in angle pen like most Russian APHE. Its armor, however, isnt worse, just not foolproof. The turret is genuinely very good actually if you look at it in protection analysis, being about 160 at the corners from the front, and only getting stronger as you aim further from mantlet itself as it’s all volumetric. As you get closer to it, you’ll have to pen both the turret and mantlet at the same time, which is a problem regardless of the tank. It’ll actually reliably stop the 88 and long 75 without doing anything there, and if you can angle the hull, you’ll be difficult to kill. The gun does genuinely let it down, but it’s better than the KV ZiS-5 overall. 4.7 should probably be its br if anything, because the armor can’t really make up for the gun enough to justify 5.0
@@ronaldmcreagann6343 every oponent ive faced in that thing shoots my hull and even if im agled it does jack shit. It needs to be 4.7 or 4.5 since its a heavy tank, they are supposed to be hard to kill. And its a russian one as well
@@TRAMMMFAKK I’m gonna be honest, if you angled and something penned you anyway, it was either a bad angle or a more powerful gun than you can expect to handle. And I do agree 4.7 is fine for it. 4.3 is really pushing it because this thing would absolutely smash in even a slight downtier, as the shorter 75s and even the early 76s you’d see would have a difficult if not impossible time killing you.
Even in 4.7 this thing will suffer from the constant uptier but 5.0? Come on.
Bro, the gun is so good it warrants 1.0 BR higher than KV1E and B /s
Nah 4.7 often gets full downtier to 3.7 because of PZ IV spam.
@@ideadlift20kg83 Whopping 6mm more penetration(APHE pen 88mm->96mm)
@@Kijby /s means sarcasm. But also when we are on the topic of pen. Never use flat angle pen to compare shells. What matters is the 60 degrees angled pen on shells. The shell with the highest amount of 60 degrees pen is the shell you want.
@@laurentiusalvaro Pz IV needs to go up in BR though lol. I do not care if the players cannot learn. They must learn to play. I bring Pz IV f2 into 6.0 games because the gun is just that potent and you get easy "skill" silver lions medals.
This made me look like I am humble bragging but I am so tired of seeing tanks like the VK, Panther D and Tiger IIs being too low in BR because germans complain that heat rounds pen their tanks. Meanwhile the other nations have to deal with german tanks 1 clicking them anywhere at all BRs lol.
You should definitly play the CTWV to relax a bit after this unfun tank, I swear this wheeled go kart don't want to die and outspeed everything
1 br up cuz this has 10 more mm pen than kv1b bravo gayjin
Can we speak to you on youtube streams, i tried to interact last time but idk how, maybe because im on phone?
next time he does a live stream, make a donation and he'll reply
How TF this is on 5.0 and How dare they can take money for this suffering?! Put this on 4.3 or give this for free It’s simple lika that.
"where you go on this map?"
To the hangar"
LOL
Where is that accent from dude? I wanted to say Italian, but kind a sounds like Greek, can't tell....
I'm Spaniard
@@BPA_JonWT Been to Spain few times, I'd never guess.
Day 37 of asking jon to Play the Type 99
The German KW 1 C 756(r) is a 5.0 and they moved that tank up to a 5.0 quite awhile ago and it does ahhhh alright I guess. They are almost the same tank seeing that German premium is a spoil of war from the Wars back in the 40s and they are pretty similar but not.
Hey, I got a nuke yesterday in the ARL 44 with all sound muted. Can you do the same? :D
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Day 30 of asking Jon to play the american m41a1 cuz it's model got changed in the update(°∀°)
It's funny how the VK is just a lighter and significantly faster Panther with functionally similar armor but it's somehow at a lower BR than a regular panther whereas when a US(and others) tank sacrifices armor AND GUN for mobility they are the same BR as their heavier counterparts...
Because Gaijin looks at overall stats for each nation. Germany is at the bottom in terms of score and K/D ratio. So they always gimp the rest of the nations.
It has less armour and a non existing turret traverse of 5° , it's a pain in the ass to brawl with .
@5co756 "functionally similar armor" it's still strong enough to bounce most guns below 85mm. The gun mantlet is still very inconsistent. The Panther D is 5.3(eventhough i hate playing it, it still should be 5.7) with the same gun and gun handling but is a lot slower in both top speed and acceleration. Most tanks make trade off's like this for speed and keep the same BR but the VK somehow drops in BR?
@@michaelvigil5321 Sure you can put it at 5.7 , but with 15° turret traverse . Both tanks are pretty much useless with such a slow turret , you can't even follow a slow tank if he's moving . You always have to turn the hull too , like a TD . There is a M18 ten times better in every way , if you know how to play .
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