Impressive, when i first found out this szm+qs stuff in mid-May, i spend a bit time researching and adjusting the rotation to the under-amount of trt pts (85, lvl 105 tortoise stoned). Now with throne t2 upgraded to wastes set+full starcrystals i am hitting numbers like 157k and possibly would be better if respective 105 dummy would not die too fast lol... It has only 28.4mil morale. Some of my 130 fellows where shocked of one being to show such numbers at 105. I will definitely check out those plugins to see if it will have much influence on how well do i see the remove/refresh stuff. Thanks very much for instructions.
Different sort of question: I've got an earring and I could get double procs for -30% phys mit in yellow (-32.5% if I had the presence of mind to swap to unimbued for the second throw, which I don't, and I'd rather re-up an existing double proc than do that), -17.5% tact, so I'm considering practicing yellow more than my red gameplay. But do you think it would hit the ceiling on mit debuffs in T2 where we are still progressing (on shelob), in a raid with a bear, LM w/ BB jewelry, hunter, red cap? I threw myself solo at Bratha T3 enough to figure she has ~48% mits, iirc, but I dunno what T2 bosses have. raid phys debuff = -12% bees, -X% (5?%) herald rend, -X% (10?%) ancient craft, -4% pen shot. -30% instead of -20% in red w/ earring would be wasted on T2, right? Maybe I just commit heresy and use the shadowed king ear set (my stats are hurting with 2-pel + 85 earring). raid tact debuff = -10% LM set, -X/5% (2?%) ancient craft, -4% pen shot, (-15% writ for our RK), (-10% sticky tar & -10% bodkin for our hunter, who oughtn't be using oils tbh), -17.5% instead of -12.5% from me. If T2 mits are 45%, I'm seeing some benefit for the RK, none for hunter. If 40%, no benefit. In my shoes, would you bother with yellow + gold earring?
@@loltroaldifrith6431 they do! Another less useful gold drop I have from back in the day got the lvl 94 restriction applied to it, so SSG tried but missed the whole point. It's why I'm never posing this question to the forums. Beyond--ive never tested it, but folks on the forums say that even though you can get mits to show negative in a spar for example, one never effectively goes below 0% mits. I guess the way to prove them right or wrong would be to get a bear friend to help me test on a dummy (which has 40.2% mits)
@@Iaksones ive spended some time in remmo t3, especially thossulun and experimented at lot with red and yellow. yellow debuffs always led to significant higher numbers for our champs and burgs. could still be coincidence but it would have been a lot of coincidences^^ could not test it with earrings though
@@loltroaldifrith6431 Oh yeah, a theoretical number-counting look at 48% boss mits in T3 matches your practical experience; without earring a raid isn't going to reach 0% mits so yellow's gains are all felt for physical damage dealers! Mine is an almost unique circumstance where my raid can reach that limit, especially on lower tiers with (presumably) lower boss mits; I'll let you know if the training dummy can be reduced to negative mitigation.
@@Iaksones You are ignoring armor debuffs.Only time raid boss wont have 0 mits is when ancient craft is down. There are situations where you can feel yellow warden/earring debuffs more but if AC and everything else is up there should be no difference. As far as I recall last time people tested if mits go into negative it was shown that value goes into minus but doesnt add up to incoming dmg.Maybe things changes as lotro code is a mess might be worth testing it now.
have you used buffbars before? can you at least see your own buffs (when activated in buffbars)? to see debuffs on your target is another story, i could provide some screenshots via discord to help you.
@@loltroaldifrith6431 My selfbuffs and buffs from other players appear, but the mob debuffs do not appear at all. I could not even get the Desolation icon to stick. Desolation.tga was giving an error lol. I would definitely appreciate the help! my discord name is dANZYYG#2625
Inspiring! I see you dropped warden's triumph from your yellow rotation. Did it just take up too much real estate / wasn't competitive enough with quick sweeps for your time? I guess it also had a tendency to trigger sieze the moment too early and you got less out of your momentum buff. I know at least one jav debuff in your assailment portion of the rotation is a useful spacer between ranged unerring and deft. I haven't tried this myself, but what about putting them into the melee portion of the rotation by default, to fish for extra sieze the moment procs like you did at 2:54?
yeah i dropped triumph for wall of steel and ive wanted to reduce the time in assailment as much as possible. i also tried to use the debuff javelins completely in melee but i could not save time this way because you the time you win if seize the moment procs you will lose in assailment (if you use master builders only you lose between the execution of the gambits and if you use normal builders in between you lose time because of the animations
Didn't believe that the quicksweep bleeds hit so hard. My lvl 121 warden medium qs bleed hits for 70k base tick. Unerring only hits 45k base tooltip. Gamechanger
impossible to get these numbers without remmo 4set bonus😢. What's the best rotation without it and how much dps can you get without set bonuses? I know you have throne set too but what's the best and max dps one can get with just the mercenary set?
tough question, i can not answer that accuratetly. i've recorded a fairly average parse in february with 3-mans gear, i finished with 130k dps back then (in red, almost 0 fate). Considering way better stats nowadays with t1 raid gear + usage of QS (which is a game changer) maybe 140-150k average? Don't look too much at max dps for wardens, it just takes way too much luck. In yellow the remmo set is not that big of a deal because seize the moment helps a lot here. I can image you lose around 2-3 secs or have to skip a DoT from time to time and you cant afford to make mistakes ofc...
@@loltroaldifrith6431 I feel like the -5 seconds on masteries is very huge deal even in yellow because on the second rotation it just feels like I'm just standing and waiting for my masteries to come off cd (seize the moment is very good only on the 1st rotation without set bonus I feel). If I take 2 bleeds away I'd just be better of just using red/sweep. I'm getting around 130k on red without any scrolls/buffs with the rng sweeps and yellow around 115k by just using the standard t1 gear and wep swapping. If I were to use the 4set remmo and 2set throne + buffs I'd probably get at least 170k. It's crazy how much of a difference it makes having able to stack bleeds faster with the remmo set
@@dumbo7472 As i said, i can only guess, but 55k dps difference seems a bit too much. Those sets are great, a little less great than that though. Maybe there is some more potential in your rotation. Anyways i hope you can get them in the near future, it's definetly more fun to play with!
Nice one.Shame ranged gambits are so clunky even tho lot if its is mitigated with masteries/sieze the moment I still cant stand using anything more than resounding challenge from assailment.Nice plugin setup,ill try it out for red line tho due to lack of sieze the moment there I dont think one would be able to squeze a lot more dps by following if bleed was consumed/refreshed tho still worth it probably.
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can you make a video how do you track your debuffs?
u serious? :D
@@loltroaldifrith6431 I wasted 5 hours today and couldn't do it. That's embarrassing. 😭
Impressive, when i first found out this szm+qs stuff in mid-May, i spend a bit time researching and adjusting the rotation to the under-amount of trt pts (85, lvl 105 tortoise stoned). Now with throne t2 upgraded to wastes set+full starcrystals i am hitting numbers like 157k and possibly would be better if respective 105 dummy would not die too fast lol... It has only 28.4mil morale. Some of my 130 fellows where shocked of one being to show such numbers at 105.
I will definitely check out those plugins to see if it will have much influence on how well do i see the remove/refresh stuff. Thanks very much for instructions.
Different sort of question:
I've got an earring and I could get double procs for -30% phys mit in yellow (-32.5% if I had the presence of mind to swap to unimbued for the second throw, which I don't, and I'd rather re-up an existing double proc than do that), -17.5% tact, so I'm considering practicing yellow more than my red gameplay. But do you think it would hit the ceiling on mit debuffs in T2 where we are still progressing (on shelob), in a raid with a bear, LM w/ BB jewelry, hunter, red cap? I threw myself solo at Bratha T3 enough to figure she has ~48% mits, iirc, but I dunno what T2 bosses have.
raid phys debuff = -12% bees, -X% (5?%) herald rend, -X% (10?%) ancient craft, -4% pen shot. -30% instead of -20% in red w/ earring would be wasted on T2, right? Maybe I just commit heresy and use the shadowed king ear set (my stats are hurting with 2-pel + 85 earring).
raid tact debuff = -10% LM set, -X/5% (2?%) ancient craft, -4% pen shot, (-15% writ for our RK), (-10% sticky tar & -10% bodkin for our hunter, who oughtn't be using oils tbh), -17.5% instead of -12.5% from me. If T2 mits are 45%, I'm seeing some benefit for the RK, none for hunter. If 40%, no benefit.
In my shoes, would you bother with yellow + gold earring?
man those earring still work? :D
-% mitigation debuffs reduced mitigations until zero and beyond last time i checked, should be totally worth it
@@loltroaldifrith6431 they do! Another less useful gold drop I have from back in the day got the lvl 94 restriction applied to it, so SSG tried but missed the whole point. It's why I'm never posing this question to the forums.
Beyond--ive never tested it, but folks on the forums say that even though you can get mits to show negative in a spar for example, one never effectively goes below 0% mits. I guess the way to prove them right or wrong would be to get a bear friend to help me test on a dummy (which has 40.2% mits)
@@Iaksones ive spended some time in remmo t3, especially thossulun and experimented at lot with red and yellow. yellow debuffs always led to significant higher numbers for our champs and burgs. could still be coincidence but it would have been a lot of coincidences^^ could not test it with earrings though
@@loltroaldifrith6431 Oh yeah, a theoretical number-counting look at 48% boss mits in T3 matches your practical experience; without earring a raid isn't going to reach 0% mits so yellow's gains are all felt for physical damage dealers!
Mine is an almost unique circumstance where my raid can reach that limit, especially on lower tiers with (presumably) lower boss mits; I'll let you know if the training dummy can be reduced to negative mitigation.
@@Iaksones You are ignoring armor debuffs.Only time raid boss wont have 0 mits is when ancient craft is down.
There are situations where you can feel yellow warden/earring debuffs more but if AC and everything else is up there should be no difference. As far as I recall last time people tested if mits go into negative it was shown that value goes into minus but doesnt add up to incoming dmg.Maybe things changes as lotro code is a mess might be worth testing it now.
Do you know how to look up TGA files for the skill icons?
What do you mean? Where you can download or in which folder you have to put them?
where to download i guess
Can't get buffbars to show up anywhere. Not sure if your instructions were incorrect? Maybe someone else can verify.
have you used buffbars before? can you at least see your own buffs (when activated in buffbars)? to see debuffs on your target is another story, i could provide some screenshots via discord to help you.
@@loltroaldifrith6431 My selfbuffs and buffs from other players appear, but the mob debuffs do not appear at all. I could not even get the Desolation icon to stick. Desolation.tga was giving an error lol. I would definitely appreciate the help! my discord name is dANZYYG#2625
@@danielregaldo1365 yeah those tga-files are not included by default, just stick with default.tga. ill add you later!
@@loltroaldifrith6431 Hi how did you solve this issue? I can also see only my debuffs but no others like power attack under low bleeds.
I also followed what you did in your video but debuffs wont appear. I have everything selected like you. hmmm
Inspiring! I see you dropped warden's triumph from your yellow rotation. Did it just take up too much real estate / wasn't competitive enough with quick sweeps for your time? I guess it also had a tendency to trigger sieze the moment too early and you got less out of your momentum buff.
I know at least one jav debuff in your assailment portion of the rotation is a useful spacer between ranged unerring and deft. I haven't tried this myself, but what about putting them into the melee portion of the rotation by default, to fish for extra sieze the moment procs like you did at 2:54?
yeah i dropped triumph for wall of steel and ive wanted to reduce the time in assailment as much as possible. i also tried to use the debuff javelins completely in melee but i could not save time this way because you the time you win if seize the moment procs you will lose in assailment (if you use master builders only you lose between the execution of the gambits and if you use normal builders in between you lose time because of the animations
Didn't believe that the quicksweep bleeds hit so hard. My lvl 121 warden medium qs bleed hits for 70k base tick. Unerring only hits 45k base tooltip. Gamechanger
impossible to get these numbers without remmo 4set bonus😢. What's the best rotation without it and how much dps can you get without set bonuses? I know you have throne set too but what's the best and max dps one can get with just the mercenary set?
tough question, i can not answer that accuratetly. i've recorded a fairly average parse in february with 3-mans gear, i finished with 130k dps back then (in red, almost 0 fate). Considering way better stats nowadays with t1 raid gear + usage of QS (which is a game changer) maybe 140-150k average? Don't look too much at max dps for wardens, it just takes way too much luck.
In yellow the remmo set is not that big of a deal because seize the moment helps a lot here. I can image you lose around 2-3 secs or have to skip a DoT from time to time and you cant afford to make mistakes ofc...
@@loltroaldifrith6431 I feel like the -5 seconds on masteries is very huge deal even in yellow because on the second rotation it just feels like I'm just standing and waiting for my masteries to come off cd (seize the moment is very good only on the 1st rotation without set bonus I feel).
If I take 2 bleeds away I'd just be better of just using red/sweep. I'm getting around 130k on red without any scrolls/buffs with the rng sweeps and yellow around 115k by just using the standard t1 gear and wep swapping.
If I were to use the 4set remmo and 2set throne + buffs I'd probably get at least 170k. It's crazy how much of a difference it makes having able to stack bleeds faster with the remmo set
@@dumbo7472 As i said, i can only guess, but 55k dps difference seems a bit too much. Those sets are great, a little less great than that though. Maybe there is some more potential in your rotation. Anyways i hope you can get them in the near future, it's definetly more fun to play with!
Nice one.Shame ranged gambits are so clunky even tho lot if its is mitigated with masteries/sieze the moment I still cant stand using
anything more than resounding challenge from assailment.Nice plugin setup,ill try it out for red line tho due to lack of sieze the moment there I dont think one would be able to squeze a lot more dps by following if bleed was consumed/refreshed tho still worth it
probably.
it is worth it, does not work as often as in yellow but still worth it yeah
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Pants down mate, where are your hidden fellows debuffing the dummy {:=)
I saw that guy deleted his comment xD did you get your 2k gold?
nope ^^
wann kommt hüter pvp video man ?😂
Throneset is meta :p
Your UI makes me sick.