❤️BIBLE VERSES OF THE DAY❤️ Philippians 2:3-4 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
@@diablosmda324 you just did so right here, right now.. atheist myself, but as long as another persons faith does not impact my life in a negative manner - why bother pointing it out?
@@miou-miou-; Why should I hide who and what I am? Why does anyone do anything? Why not ask why she posted Bible Verses at all yet question me? I point it out because I am not interested in being shoved into a closet to make others comfortable. So they can pretend like people such as myself are not real. There are lots of reasons actually. If this wasn’t posted here I never would have brought it up though. It’s her page so she is certainly welcome to but I have been watching her reaction videos for months now and never noticed before.
Former Sgt here. The drill Sgt/Instructors job is to teach and instruct. It is also to break down the individual mentality and build up the team mentality, and although 8-10 weeks sounds like a long time, it really isn’t. They yell at the individual who makes a mistake, because if one person made the mistake, you can bet others did as well. And so by yelling, everyone hears and can correct themselves… That saves time so the Drill doesn’t have to correct each individual all time. If you as a recruit hear the Drill yelling at someone for doing something you also did, you can correct it without the Drill also having to talk to you. Also they yell to create a high stress environment, to see who is not able to function in a high stress environment because combat environment is extremely stressful and they need to ensure everyone can function under pressure. If someone breaks down in training you can simply kick them out but if someone breaks down mentally in combat, people die!
I had fun in boot camp fucking with the junior company commander. I always ALWAYS called him Petty Officer "Sabliski" when it's Cebulski. I never cracked a smile or lost any any bearing, just played perfect dumb, blank stare He was short so I didn't need to worry about eye contact. I did get in shape though. Good times. Now at A school where it's mixed USMC and USN instructors.... EVERYONE lived in fear and respect of part 4 supervisor Gunnery Sargent Buonatello....not Gunny B, Gunny, Gunny Sargent. 4 tours Vietnam LRP . He can destroy galaxies with his high and tight. Never before or since have I seen a tower of power as impressive. He also screamed at me once for talking In ranks. It wasn't me but that didn't matter. Its his reality. 😂.
I lived in terror the entire time I was in boot. My Heavy thought it would be a good idea to come up behind my bunk after lights out and whisper loud enough for me to hear that he was going to break me. Being heavy set I got smoked as a warm up I got smoked when I got in trouble, I got smoked when other people got in trouble and I'll never forget the first time my Senior saw I wasn't in the smoke pit because I was doing well.. and he called me to the smoke pit. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm a good swimmer and church I wouldn't have made it through boot. Heck my senior told me on our last day that he never thought I'd make it. Truth be told If I had known I could have quit I probably would have but I was under the impression that quitting was never an option. So Yeah I learned a lot from the corps but they broke me in ways I'll never recover from. and that was just boot.
@@mystchevious1129 I terrorized my company commander, one out of the three anyways. Mostly it was hurry up and wait + liberal amounts of smokings. Good timing though. They were changing sites of boot camp gas chamber so I never had the privilege of being gassed.
@Leroy Lowe - give her a break, there’s no way she could understand what she was seeing without experiencing it. And she’s very young. I was thinking the whole time “wow, she really does not get this”. Maybe she’ll gain _some_ understanding through time and life experience (or, maybe not:)). Her reaction and end summary were honest, if drawing a blank, but what more can one anticipate? If she pretended to understand when actually confused, that would be worth turning away from. But she confessed some genuine confusion and came up with the best understanding she could. Far be it from me to pretend understanding her life, or anyone else’s. All we can ever do is best guessing. Just my opinion.
or life? parents need to start toughening up their children and stop protecting them so much. parents have a job to teach children to endure and thrive in life, not to protect them from discomfort.
@@polferiferus1938 You're a little too empathetic for this comment section. You need to throw a shit fit and use buzzwords like 'woke' and 'snowflake'. 👍
I joined the Corp in '77. I can't comment too much on the second part of the movie, as I wasn't in 'Nam. However, my boot camp was this movie. The depiction of Marine recruit training is spot on. there are three phases in boot camp, the first phase is all about getting you in shape and tearing out the civilian in you. The next two phases are spent building you up to be America's finest (and in your face) fighting force. The things I did learn in the Marines still shape the man I am today. If you ever want to have a blast, go out with a bunch of Marines on Nov. 10th (USMC Birthday). You will never forget the occasion+no one will f--k with you as they will have your back. Best bunch of guys I ever knew!
Drill sergeants are harsh to toughen them up. If you can take the toughness of their training and it doesn't faze you, then you can take the pressures of combat. It's also about stripping down the recruits and removing bad habits and rebuilding them into mentally tough soldiers.
When we were in basic training we were told... "We are hard about everything because our job is to subject you too the most amount of stress physically emotionally and mentally possible because the level of stress anxiety fear ECT is nothing compared to what you'll feel when someone is shooting at you with the goal of killing you"
The reality is that you don't have one drill instructor. You have 3 or 4. But one of them is the "Senior Drill Instructor" and he is in charge of the others. And while he will yell like the others he is also somewhat of a father figure and does frequently have normal talks with the training platoon at the end of the day.
That's about how it was. I served 20 years in the Marine Corps and two combat tours in Vietnam. The first tour as a machine gunner (0331) in 1965-66 and the second as a Platoon commander (0369) in 1970-71. I retired after 20 years and had a 30 year career as a California police officer ( Marin County). What I learned in the Marine Corps has helped me all my life. I highly recommend it to anyone needing direction and wishing to learn self discipline . Tom Boyte GySgt. USMC, retired Bronze Star, Purple Heart
the only thing i can say to a man like you is. Thank you for your service. Really. I wish the whole youth in this country goes thru this training. We just have to many weak minded godless ppl roaming around
I went through Army Infantry BASIC, it's very similar. Mental toughness is even more important than physical toughness. I saw numerous guys who were physically capable, but they gave up because they were mentally weak. I saw physically weaker men who NEVER quit, no matter what. You HAVE to be tough during training. You may literally be saving that person's life, along with the guys who would have depended on him.
I attended MP School with the Army after Parris Island. They weren't "very similar". I walked in and my assigned platoon was sitting on bunks, laughing and joking. I thought I was in the wrong barracks. And they were still in boot camp!
@@johnscott4196 All those schools are after you finish basic, so you can laugh. Only Infantry stays in the same training unit all the way through advanced training. I imagine you're right and MP school was nothing like Infantry training.
Yeah, the mental toughness bit can be even more important in combat. A mentally tougher ,even not physically so guy ,can get you through hell while the reverse isn't the case !
What are the most apparent signs of this mental weakness from our daily lives? Is there any way to tell if a guy is mentally weak and unsuitable before joining the military?
Leonard didn't want to be there I am sure. His character more than likely was drafted. Boot camp was shortened from 13 weeks to 8 and they started drafting people in that were below average intelligence so they would have enough bodies to send to Vietnam. Fan theory is that Private Pyle was one of McNamara's Morons. (named for Robert McNamara, secretary of defense that started the program)
Minor nitpick. The dude's name wasn't William McNamara, it was Robert S. McNamara. The S was for "Strange." Which begs the question - who in the fuck names their kid "Strange?"
I believe Leonard's nickname (Private Pyle) was a reference to Jim Nabors screw up character in Gomer Pyle, USMC, which would have been on TV at the time this movie was supposedly taking place.
@@craigwhip Yep. He was a character on The Andry Griffith Show who got his own spinoff. As for Robert McNamara, he was a playable protagonist in Call of Duty: Black Ops. He was with Kennedy and Nixon having a secret meeting at the Pentagon with Castro over the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis when the guards turned into zombies and attacked everybody.
The Drill Sargent was played by R. Lee Ermey, 1944-2018, and was a Marine who served in the Vietnam War from 1961-1972, as well as being in countless films and TV shows like The Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama and the psychological thriller Seven as the Police Captain.
The bootcamp scene is very accurate and it brings stress into making quick decisions. You realize you can endure a lot more physical and mental distress than you ever thought you could. I mean it's learn it there or at war lol
@@thecommonloon -- Misconception on your part. She wasn't talking about quitting by dodging before the fact, she was talking about the people who were _already_ in boot camp quitting because they didn't like it. What's funny is that someone would actually think they had that option.
26:39 Joker stated that he wanted to come to Vietnam and meet exotic people in exotic place, and be the first kid on his block to get a kill. He told the Gunny that he wanted to kill. And the premise of the story is fulfilling his need, which he did, but there was a lesson in there for him and the audience.
Dehumanization is not just a tactic, it is THE tactic in basic training. Individuality and empathy must be driven out of the brain. Your job isn’t to think, its to react, and follow orders. Then we wonder why people come home fucked up.
I trained for 5 weeks to be a field combat medic, trained to deploy with the Marines, at Camp Lejeune in the summer of 1988. The year after this movie came out. Those 5 weeks were harder than my 8 weeks of Navy Boot Camp at Great Lakes, but we also had a lot of fun. One thing about the Marines, they take care of their Navy "Docs". Go out drinking with them as a Navy "Doc" and don't worry about bringing your own money with you. You won't need it !
Med checks “I forget exactly what it’s called” happen every evening while in the barracks. Not necessarily in the field during training. During boot camp that is.
In preparation for war, drill instructors apply stress on multiple levels and intensity constantly to try to give the recruits a tiny example of the stress and chaos of combat. If a recruit can't take the stress of boot-camp, they sure as hell can't take a combat situation.
The sniper was definitely dying. The alternative to killing her was literally leaving her for the rats. Being ripped apart by rats while still alive would be even more horrifying and she was asking to be killed. Finishing her off was a kindness.
For context, he called the one soldier Pyle cuz of his behavior that was similar to an old tv character that was a marine named “Pyle” and the old character was famous as being stupid
Joker was definitely affected by Leonard’s death, but he could see it coming long before it happened, as did everyone else. They were also being deployed and couldn’t dwell on it, just as someone in your squad getting killed in combat. It could mean life or death.
I think Jokers character arc is going mentally from believing that war and being in the marines is something to fantasize about and admire, to realizing the true atrocities that war can entail. Even as far as killing little children.. even if understandable and necessary for your own safety. The first half is definitely stronger but i think the second half is necessary to show Jokers full perspective. He seemed to be able and willing to handle all slights etc, especially in comparison to Gomer Pile, and fulfill his childhood goals of being a well-respected Marine.. And with those final lines, he actually seems better for it. Stanley Kubrick definitely had some ideas about society but he never really commits to grandizing one side or the other in any of his films..
I have watched so many different people watching this movie n none of them have ever served n that's why they don't understand what n why the drill instructor/ sergeant is teaching. I served 14 months in Vietnam in field artillery n believe me this hard ass training saved my ass n my brother veterans ass as well. If you never went through it you can never understand.
Thank you for your service: Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing). (Read the lyrics from the band TOOL for the song 46&2 about man’s shadow). Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two. Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer. Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart, you will hesitate when you need to kill. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her. Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end, and he is born again hard.
@@MetalDetroitI think a lot of people missed the animal mother Pyle thing and it’s right in our face most notably when they talk also Pyle is a big fat body animal mother is a big perfect fit
Alienation is what this movie is about. In war, you see friends die. If you cannot accept this quickly, you will melt down. That sense of directionlessness you felt when watching this, is exactly what the Vietnam War made the country feel. Especially the young. We were those young. A generation that sees spanking a child as an arrestable offense is going to have trouble watching this. The truth is, war movies should never leave anyone "comfortable" and i would concentrate on the attributes of this titan of a director, as opposed to the feeling it impinged. Kubrick has often been slighted about the "personal distance" his work implies. War maximizes emotional distance. It is because his vision is something else, always unconscious and provocative. Kubrick is unsurpassed as a visual genius.
Great reaction! To answer some of your questions. The yelling and insults from the Senior Drill Instructor (SDI) serves a few purposes, 1- it keeps the recruits under constant pressure which is important in war, they learn to adapt and operate even the simplest of tasks while pressured. 2- it gets the recruits to not rely solely on the SDI's, but to instead rely on each other which is their team and it helps identify natural leaders which is why Pvt. Joker was promoted to squad leader when he refused to change his response to the SDI, it showed that he was a natural leader who isn't afraid to stick to his principles no matter who is trying to influence him to change. You also see the importance of the recruits relying on each other during the scene with the battle with the sniper when Pvt. Cowboy becomes squad leader after their leadership is killed making him the new leader which he wasn't really prepared for, 3- a lot of recruits come from different backgrounds and for a lot of recruits they have never really been told "no" before or even been yelled at so this is the first time for that and yelling is just something that you have to get used to because in battle you can experience something called "Auditory Exclusion" and in order to get through that the only way to communicate through that is to yell, so not all yelling is to be mean, when I was in the military our leadership used to say "We're not yelling, we're speaking in a manner for all of you to hear us".
USMC Parris Island graduate here. The yelling is necessary for several reasons. A platoon will begin with 60-80 recruits, so just basic hearing by all is one reason. Authority and command is second. When you're scared/disoriented/confused (as recruits are intentionally placed to prepare them for battle and war), Volume + Authority = Safety & A Plan. Semper Fidelis
Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing). (Read the lyrics from the band TOOL for the song 46&2 about man’s shadow). Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two. Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer. Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart, you will hesitate when you need to kill. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her. Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end, and he is born again hard.
So many good personal stories in the comments wow. Thank you all for your service and thank you for sharing. Also thank you Gabby for making this happen! As always you’re the best. Classy as hell.
@5:40 "I would resign in the second week." Lol. I appreciate that sentiment bet remember, this is the Vietnam era in the 1960-70s. These guys didn't enlist (at least the majority besides Private Joker) they were drafted. They have two options, continue to train or go to federal prison.
Went through basic training in 2006 Changed my life and it will force you to look inside of yourself and execute whatever obstacles are in front of you. Other than the physical treatment Gunnery sgt hartman was the standard.
The idea of the training is for the Sergeant to be the embodiment of the suffering the recruits would face in war, so that they feel it less and have to rely on each other. Other branches are smoother with it because so much more of their mission is technical rather than personal.
My analysis has always been that the movie is, in part, moralistic. It's in part about humanity, but also importantly about the loss of innocence. You see it in Joker, and you see it in the final scene with the sniper. The fact that they are singing the Mickey Mouse Club song at the end is the biggest clue, as it was purposely chosen and is juxtaposed against the scene immediately preceding it.
Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing). Read the Lyrics for TOOL song 46&2. Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two. Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer. Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart? You will hesitate. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her. Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end.
Yoooooo we watched this in boot camp when I was in the Navy back in 2003 and we was dying laughing because we had an instructor with a similar mindset.
It's really simple, the yelling bit. You don't expect it, you're not ready for it, no matter how much you prep. And that's your first taste of what to expect when the stuff hits the fan. Because in the heat of the moment, whether your on the ground hunkering down from mortars and .50 caliber fire, or in the air dodging missiles and flak, or on a ship trying to seal bulkheads after a strike off the bow, it's madness. Pure, unadulterated chaos. The screaming and yelling is there to prep your mind for the unimaginable when it comes, as it will when you least expect it. Because even if you've got warning, even if you know the enemy is right over that horizon, you're just not ready for it with the shells start flying, but maybe you won't be as panicked or shocked and will get the first shot off.
Keep in mind, pretty much no one WANTED to go to Viet Nam. We had a draft back then, so it wasn't about "I would have quit" or "not everyone is cut out to serve." They had to train up the worst to serve competently along with the best. If being incompetent meant you got to sit it out, everyone would screw up to avoid having to go over. So, yeah, to a certain degree you can have less degrading training now that our military is all-volunteer and people signed up to be there, themselves.
I joined the corps in 1994, so much too young to go to Vietnam, but I'll verify the Parris Island recruit training is pretty spot on. Except the amount of time Joker could spend with Pyle.. there was nowhere near that much free time when I went in. The pressure cooker aspect is absolutely accurate. If they can break your body or mind, they want to do it there.. not when people are depending on you. DI's weren't supposed to hit you when I went in, but they still knocked the Hell out of you anyway. They'd usually tell everyone to close their eyes first so everyone could honestly say they never saw a DI hit anyone. You'd close your eyes and hope it wasn't you. Then you'd hear the thud and when you were told to open your eyes, someone would be on the ground trying to get their breath back. By 3rd phase (last phase before graduation), the game was to take the hit. The unspoken goal was to take it unflinching and without change of expression. If you took a particularly hard shot.. maybe flash a smile back to acknowledge the hit.
Vietnam was going on, so many dont understand the harshness was nothing to what they were going to experience shortly. They were getting them ready for COMBAT....
You have to understand for what those soldiers are being asked to go do. They have to prepare them the hard way not jus physically but mentally because alot of them not gonna make it back and the ones who do gonna be psychologically messed up.
To understand the yelling, consider the job. These are fighting men. They MUST succeed at what they do. It doesn’t matter how much the weather sucks, or how much pain you’re in. No matter how tired you are, you have to _correctly_ refuel the aircraft, or analyze the drone photos to know which one is bad guy HQ and which is a wedding. So the idea, is to learn to think clearly and control yourself, esp under stress. You can bet ppl will be screaming when things get crazy and you can’t stand there all, “Stop yelling at meeee!” when someone yells for you to put your chem gear on. Trust, there are times the screaming goes too far, but it all has a purpose.
"I wanted to be the 1st kid on my block to get a confirmed kill" the joke being one shouldn't be proud of such things & he says it all smug & American-like. Gets me everytime. His sarcasm is great
Just an FYI... He's a Drill Instructor. Drill Seargents are in the Army. Their job is to weed out the weak and induce stress to make sure you crack now and not in the field. Oh and salty means they are tough.
Obviously, you have never been to war or responsible for the life of others. Have you ever thought about what it is like to be a POW? If one cannot handle the stress of BootCamp, then they are not capable of serving.
the treatment of recruits by drill instructors was addressed in the movie/ play "Biloxi Blues" by Sgt. Toomey (creepily as ever played by Chritopher Walken) " Men do not face enemy machine guns because they've been treated with kindness. I don't want them human. I want them obedient. I'm tryin' to save those boys lives, you crawlin' bookworm. You stand in my way, I'll pulverize you into chicken droppings."
The point of going after Pyle that hard was to get him to either quit or shape up, preferably the latter. The point of the yelling, the abuse and the catch-22s is to build up resilience and get people to become used to the reality that things aren't going to go your way. You are going to lose, you are going to be miserable, you are going to be hurt, wet, cold, tired, hungry and stressed out, and it's up to you to cope, because it's not going away. They're pushing you towards a sort of resignation. When you can accept that your fate is not really in your hands, you can start focusing on what needs to be done.
They are treated that way because that is how they will be treated in war..... they are kept under stress so they get used to it. You do not want people who would guard you be soft. Yes they need to be yelled that was much more effective then when they were prepared for those situations. He was tough on Pyle because Pyle could not do it... and one solider failed in company would be weaker. He was hard on Pyle because he wanted him to succeed not to abuse him.
You have to remember where the soldiers are heading. The things the drill sergeant was doing and saying is nothing compared to the hell they are headed for. Also lots of them did not join, they were drafted. My father always told me how much he hated his DS until the day he died, yet never respected a man more for teaching him how to come home from Vietnam. God bless our soldiers
Random bit of movie trivia - but the helo-gunner (firing on the civilians) in the chopper scene, was the original person cast as the drill sergeant. R. Lee Ermey was initially an advisor on the film, but due to a conflict of scheduling the guy in the helo scene was not available at first. Ermey was his stand-in, and deliberately set about stealing the role (not in a underhanded type way, just set his sights on it, and put in a performance that could not be ignored).
Best part of that whole opening scene is it was almost all improv! He was legitimately coming up with all those insults on the fly while putting the new recruits on blast! That the mark of a truly talented DI. Semper fi 😆
He improvised before filming the scene. It was then typed up for him to perform in front of the camera. That was too much to do on the fly.. too many technical elements had to be considered such as lighting, blocking, camera angles and focus. This was explained in a video I saw recently. And of course his personal experience and Marine Corps training kicked in.
dont call Marines soldiers...we dont like it. SEMPER FI--btw, love how you watch movies objectively, and have a good sense of humor. All Marines are brother dark green, medium green and light green
21:28 I got to say that girl sniper is a phenomenal shot! To be able to hit her targets like that with an AK-47 is pretty crazy. The AK is pretty well known for not being an accurate weapon. Now, if she had something like an M40 bolt action rifle that would be more believable
Call, although this is extreme, the reason you get yelled at and messed with in Boot Camp is to teach you how to operate under stress. The drill sergeants, and company, commanders, stress you out as much as possible and force you to form tasks under stress. If you can’t perform tasks while someone is yelling at you, you have no chance of operating under the stress of combat. .
In USMC Boot camp, one of the priorities is to strip away the individual and train a marine. What you see as gas lighting and bullying is part of the process. Shaving of the head is one of the first things that's done upon getting off the bus, because it isn't story and bed time.
Like many have said the yelling causes stress and intimidation. Its amazing what your body will do when you hear a voice louder than the one in your head telling you to stop. Also does 2 other things. 1 it puts it out to the rest of the platoon so hopefully they hear and correct things so he doesn't have to. 2 it desensitizes you to how loud war is and the volume you have to speak to effectively communicate. I will say they did away with the hitting part and went to more sleep deprivation, which is probably more effective ( I didn't think the army does it anymore but it did when I went though BCT).
I don't think FMJ has character arcs, but more character zigzags, Kubrick being more concerned with the organization of entities committed to a kind of madness that the war in Vietnam was and I think the film in its "2 story" structure leads in a haunting way to the sudden revelation that the sniper is a young girl.
Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing). (Read the lyrics from the band TOOL for the song 46&2 about man’s shadow). Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two. Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer. Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart, you will hesitate when you need to kill. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her. Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end, and he is born again hard.
Was active duty Marine for 8 years. The purpose of yelling is to induce stress and teach the recruit to function in chaos. The Drill Instructors create chaos and the recruits learn to function in chaos. More over, Drill Instructos need to develop aggression in recruits so they can kill the enemy. Most civilians are averse to violence, so the DIs expose the recruits to aggression to teach them to function in battle and kill the enemy. Note that when PVT Joker stand up to Gunny Heartman he is promoted. The purpose of the abuse is to teach assertiveness and calm thinking. Yelling isn't war, but it's a gradually exposure to the stress Marines face in battle.
WE got the crap kicked out of us at basic training at Ft Jackson in '67.....And many of us ,, even now, would have to plead guilty to a warm and fuzzy feeling when sarge met Pvt Pyles M-14 in the latrine...Sarge,, in his own words, wanted his trainee's to become ministers of death....sarge was VERY good at his job...
Being shot at is as stressful as anything. One of the jobs of the DI is to increase stress levels and require clear thought to show the ability to think while being stressed is possible.
As former military, yes, getting yelled at and being under CONSTANT pressure, both physical and mental, is what boot camp is all about. If you get flustered having a drill Sargent yell at you, how do you think you'll handle enemy soldiers shooting at you while bombs are going off? Weeding out the people who can take it from those that cant is the point. It's also about breaking down the person you came in as, and then building up the soldier they want you to be. Especially during the time this movie is taking place, as these guys will be shipping to the front lines of Vietnam and fighting for their lives in the boiling heat of the jungle. The Military isn't just "a job", and the drill Sargent isn't just "your boss", and no you can't just quit. You singed a contract and the government pretty much owns you for the time of your enlistment. If you "quit" that's called going AWAL, and you get thrown in military prison, and then dishonorably discharged, which then makes it hard to find work in the real world.
You got to understand instructor is trying to mentally prepare them for battle. When the shit starts you will be yelling to be heard over all the other background noises and explosions.
The reason the Drill Instructor yells is he is trying to tear the recruits down then build them back up as a cohesive unit that will be willing to die for each other and the country.
I’ve always looked at it as they are being prepared for if ever they were captured by the enemy or in a situation that seemed like there is no way out.
everyone says the sniper was a girl, but she was an adult woman. also, joker shot the sniper to save her from suffering more before she died. it was actually an act of kindness.
Darling if you saw the movie A few good men what they did to Pyle would be considered a Code Red as a marine I was told one person mess up everyone pays for it .
I love watching these reactions especially from younger people. It confirms we did things right back then and there was a method to the marines bt. I am glad we have technology now as if we had to have marines like we had during WWI and WWII from this current crop of youth we would get slaughtered.
The shift in the film is meant to disturb the audience in some small way to come as close as a film can to the dissonance of going to war. It's supposed to feel disjointed and like two films because going from training to war is going from this very regimented place full of rules and being dropped into utter chaos.
4:38 Basic training isn't supposed to get the person prepared for the battlefield. It's just supposed to familiarize you with how the military works and teach you discipline. Military occupational training after bootcamp will teach you the basics of whatever job you're going to do but you're not really prepared until you've actually spent time in your unit. So the yelling and hazing might not be crucial, it does help give you the feeling of accomplishment and that you've earned the right to be there.
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@@diablosmda324 you just did so right here, right now..
atheist myself, but as long as another persons faith does not impact my life in a negative manner - why bother pointing it out?
@@miou-miou-; Why should I hide who and what I am? Why does anyone do anything? Why not ask why she posted Bible Verses at all yet question me? I point it out because I am not interested in being shoved into a closet to make others comfortable. So they can pretend like people such as myself are not real. There are lots of reasons actually. If this wasn’t posted here I never would have brought it up though. It’s her page so she is certainly welcome to but I have been watching her reaction videos for months now and never noticed before.
You don't believe in Kubrick as a director? Which means you also don't believe in mother Marie as the source of salvation!
Former Sgt here. The drill Sgt/Instructors job is to teach and instruct. It is also to break down the individual mentality and build up the team mentality, and although 8-10 weeks sounds like a long time, it really isn’t. They yell at the individual who makes a mistake, because if one person made the mistake, you can bet others did as well. And so by yelling, everyone hears and can correct themselves… That saves time so the Drill doesn’t have to correct each individual all time. If you as a recruit hear the Drill yelling at someone for doing something you also did, you can correct it without the Drill also having to talk to you. Also they yell to create a high stress environment, to see who is not able to function in a high stress environment because combat environment is extremely stressful and they need to ensure everyone can function under pressure. If someone breaks down in training you can simply kick them out but if someone breaks down mentally in combat, people die!
I had fun in boot camp fucking with the junior company commander. I always ALWAYS called him Petty Officer "Sabliski" when it's Cebulski. I never cracked a smile or lost any any bearing, just played perfect dumb, blank stare He was short so I didn't need to worry about eye contact. I did get in shape though. Good times. Now at A school where it's mixed USMC and USN instructors.... EVERYONE lived in fear and respect of part 4 supervisor Gunnery Sargent Buonatello....not Gunny B, Gunny, Gunny Sargent. 4 tours Vietnam LRP . He can destroy galaxies with his high and tight. Never before or since have I seen a tower of power as impressive. He also screamed at me once for talking In ranks. It wasn't me but that didn't matter. Its his reality. 😂.
12 weeks for Marines, saw somewhere 13 now days not sure if true. Was 12 for a long time.
@@clemsonalum98 The extra week must be for crayon eating classes. 😂 Signed your friendly neighborhood Squidly
I lived in terror the entire time I was in boot. My Heavy thought it would be a good idea to come up behind my bunk after lights out and whisper loud enough for me to hear that he was going to break me. Being heavy set I got smoked as a warm up I got smoked when I got in trouble, I got smoked when other people got in trouble and I'll never forget the first time my Senior saw I wasn't in the smoke pit because I was doing well.. and he called me to the smoke pit. If it wasn't for the fact that I'm a good swimmer and church I wouldn't have made it through boot. Heck my senior told me on our last day that he never thought I'd make it. Truth be told If I had known I could have quit I probably would have but I was under the impression that quitting was never an option. So Yeah I learned a lot from the corps but they broke me in ways I'll never recover from. and that was just boot.
@@mystchevious1129 I terrorized my company commander, one out of the three anyways. Mostly it was hurry up and wait + liberal amounts of smokings. Good timing though. They were changing sites of boot camp gas chamber so I never had the privilege of being gassed.
If you can be rattled by someone screaming in your face, how in the world could you handle combat?
I think this may be the first video of hers I don't give a thumbs up.
@Leroy Lowe - give her a break, there’s no way she could understand what she was seeing without experiencing it. And she’s very young. I was thinking the whole time “wow, she really does not get this”. Maybe she’ll gain _some_ understanding through time and life experience (or, maybe not:)). Her reaction and end summary were honest, if drawing a blank, but what more can one anticipate? If she pretended to understand when actually confused, that would be worth turning away from. But she confessed some genuine confusion and came up with the best understanding she could. Far be it from me to pretend understanding her life, or anyone else’s. All we can ever do is best guessing. Just my opinion.
or life? parents need to start toughening up their children and stop protecting them so much. parents have a job to teach children to endure and thrive in life, not to protect them from discomfort.
@@polferiferus1938 You're a little too empathetic for this comment section. You need to throw a shit fit and use buzzwords like 'woke' and 'snowflake'. 👍
@@winstonmarlowe5254 I’m not the person I think you think me :)
My dad was in the Marines at the same time this movie takes place and he says it's the most accurate representation of what he went through.
I joined the Corp in '77. I can't comment too much on the second part of the movie, as I wasn't in 'Nam. However, my boot camp was this movie. The depiction of Marine recruit training is spot on. there are three phases in boot camp, the first phase is all about getting you in shape and tearing out the civilian in you. The next two phases are spent building you up to be America's finest (and in your face) fighting force. The things I did learn in the Marines still shape the man I am today. If you ever want to have a blast, go out with a bunch of Marines on Nov. 10th (USMC Birthday). You will never forget the occasion+no one will f--k with you as they will have your back. Best bunch of guys I ever knew!
Amen. We had the 16 instead of the 14 and the DI didn't actually hit us but other than that? Exactly.
Drill sergeants are harsh to toughen them up. If you can take the toughness of their training and it doesn't faze you, then you can take the pressures of combat. It's also about stripping down the recruits and removing bad habits and rebuilding them into mentally tough soldiers.
When we were in basic training we were told... "We are hard about everything because our job is to subject you too the most amount of stress physically emotionally and mentally possible because the level of stress anxiety fear ECT is nothing compared to what you'll feel when someone is shooting at you with the goal of killing you"
The reality is that you don't have one drill instructor. You have 3 or 4. But one of them is the "Senior Drill Instructor" and he is in charge of the others. And while he will yell like the others he is also somewhat of a father figure and does frequently have normal talks with the training platoon at the end of the day.
Unless you experienced boot camp back in the day you wouldn't get it. It builds team work and values. I still think of the cadences when I jog.
That's about how it was. I served 20 years in the Marine Corps and two combat tours in Vietnam. The first tour as a machine gunner (0331) in 1965-66 and the second as a Platoon commander (0369) in 1970-71. I retired after 20 years and had a 30 year career as a California police officer ( Marin County). What I learned in the Marine Corps has helped me all my life. I highly recommend it to anyone needing direction and wishing to learn self discipline .
Tom Boyte
GySgt. USMC, retired
Bronze Star, Purple Heart
Thank you for your service and sacrifice.
Amen to that brother. Good night Chesty, wherever you are.
Thank you for serving Gunny.
BU3. US Navy
Thank you for your survice
the only thing i can say to a man like you is. Thank you for your service. Really. I wish the whole youth in this country goes thru this training. We just have to many weak minded godless ppl roaming around
I went through Army Infantry BASIC, it's very similar. Mental toughness is even more important than physical toughness. I saw numerous guys who were physically capable, but they gave up because they were mentally weak. I saw physically weaker men who NEVER quit, no matter what.
You HAVE to be tough during training. You may literally be saving that person's life, along with the guys who would have depended on him.
I attended MP School with the Army after Parris Island. They weren't "very similar". I walked in and my assigned platoon was sitting on bunks, laughing and joking. I thought I was in the wrong barracks. And they were still in boot camp!
@@johnscott4196 All those schools are after you finish basic, so you can laugh. Only Infantry stays in the same training unit all the way through advanced training. I imagine you're right and MP school was nothing like Infantry training.
Very well explained. Thanks for your service, from a USN Desert Storm vet.
Yeah, the mental toughness bit can be even more important in combat.
A mentally tougher ,even not physically so guy ,can get you through hell while the reverse isn't the case !
What are the most apparent signs of this mental weakness from our daily lives? Is there any way to tell if a guy is mentally weak and unsuitable before joining the military?
Leonard didn't want to be there I am sure. His character more than likely was drafted. Boot camp was shortened from 13 weeks to 8 and they started drafting people in that were below average intelligence so they would have enough bodies to send to Vietnam. Fan theory is that Private Pyle was one of McNamara's Morons. (named for Robert McNamara, secretary of defense that started the program)
Minor nitpick. The dude's name wasn't William McNamara, it was Robert S. McNamara. The S was for "Strange."
Which begs the question - who in the fuck names their kid "Strange?"
@@ChrisMathers3501 duly noted and corrected
I believe Leonard's nickname (Private Pyle) was a reference to Jim Nabors screw up character in Gomer Pyle, USMC, which would have been on TV at the time this movie was supposedly taking place.
@@craigwhip Yep. He was a character on The Andry Griffith Show who got his own spinoff.
As for Robert McNamara, he was a playable protagonist in Call of Duty: Black Ops. He was with Kennedy and Nixon having a secret meeting at the Pentagon with Castro over the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis when the guards turned into zombies and attacked everybody.
@@ChrisMathers3501 Back then parents knew the value of giving their kid a really stupid fucking name, not like today's soft, coddling parents.
The Drill Sargent was played by R. Lee Ermey, 1944-2018, and was a Marine who served in the Vietnam War from 1961-1972, as well as being in countless films and TV shows like The Simpsons, Family Guy, Futurama and the psychological thriller Seven as the Police Captain.
The bootcamp scene is very accurate and it brings stress into making quick decisions. You realize you can endure a lot more physical and mental distress than you ever thought you could. I mean it's learn it there or at war lol
The "mental" part is most important. The ones (like Pyle) who can't handle it, are likely to fold in combat in deeply stressful situations.
LOL to her idea of draftees "quitting" because they didn't like their treatment . . .
@@thecommonloon -- Misconception on your part. She wasn't talking about quitting by dodging before the fact, she was talking about the people who were _already_ in boot camp quitting because they didn't like it. What's funny is that someone would actually think they had that option.
R. Lee Ermey played the drill instructor. That's what he actually did in The Marines. That is why he seem so real. Because he was!
Y'all be safe
26:39 Joker stated that he wanted to come to Vietnam and meet exotic people in exotic place, and be the first kid on his block to get a kill. He told the Gunny that he wanted to kill. And the premise of the story is fulfilling his need, which he did, but there was a lesson in there for him and the audience.
Dehumanization is not just a tactic, it is THE tactic in basic training. Individuality and empathy must be driven out of the brain. Your job isn’t to think, its to react, and follow orders.
Then we wonder why people come home fucked up.
If a potential soldier is scared of words imagine how terrified they would be of bullets and bombs.
If someone can’t be spoken to like that, it’s best to stay away from warfare
You could have left out the comma and everything preceding it and your statement would be just as true.
People are drafted because they want to join--?
"We don't promise a rose garden."
Joker wanted a confirmed kill, instead he got the thousand yard stare.
I trained for 5 weeks to be a field combat medic, trained to deploy with the Marines, at Camp Lejeune in the summer of 1988. The year after this movie came out. Those 5 weeks were harder than my 8 weeks of Navy Boot Camp at Great Lakes, but we also had a lot of fun.
One thing about the Marines, they take care of their Navy "Docs". Go out drinking with them as a Navy "Doc" and don't worry about bringing your own money with you. You won't need it !
Devildocs are one of us.. You're not REALLY Navy.. you just work for them.
Are you taking part in that camp lejeune legal settlement?
Med checks “I forget exactly what it’s called” happen every evening while in the barracks. Not necessarily in the field during training. During boot camp that is.
Drill instructors don’t treat you like a Marine until that EGA is in hand on the parade deck. I would know. ;)
That's the Mickey Mouse Club theme a TV show during the 60's that most people at time were brought up with.
In preparation for war, drill instructors apply stress on multiple levels and intensity constantly to try to give the recruits a tiny example of the stress and chaos of combat. If a recruit can't take the stress of boot-camp, they sure as hell can't take a combat situation.
The sniper was definitely dying. The alternative to killing her was literally leaving her for the rats. Being ripped apart by rats while still alive would be even more horrifying and she was asking to be killed.
Finishing her off was a kindness.
Private Pyle recognized early on he was in a “world of shit”… it took longer for Private Joker to realize the same thing.
For context, he called the one soldier Pyle cuz of his behavior that was similar to an old tv character that was a marine named “Pyle” and the old character was famous as being stupid
Joker was definitely affected by Leonard’s death, but he could see it coming long before it happened, as did everyone else. They were also being deployed and couldn’t dwell on it, just as someone in your squad getting killed in combat. It could mean life or death.
Notice when joker mercy killed the sniper how his peace symbol gradually disappeared, and the 1000 yard stare replaced it
I think Jokers character arc is going mentally from believing that war and being in the marines is something to fantasize about and admire, to realizing the true atrocities that war can entail. Even as far as killing little children.. even if understandable and necessary for your own safety.
The first half is definitely stronger but i think the second half is necessary to show Jokers full perspective.
He seemed to be able and willing to handle all slights etc, especially in comparison to Gomer Pile, and fulfill his childhood goals of being a well-respected Marine.. And with those final lines, he actually seems better for it.
Stanley Kubrick definitely had some ideas about society but he never really commits to grandizing one side or the other in any of his films..
Sgt. Hartman was more successful than he likely anticipated, when it came to turning Private Pyle into a killer!
I have watched so many different people watching this movie n none of them have ever served n that's why they don't understand what n why the drill instructor/ sergeant is teaching. I served 14 months in Vietnam in field artillery n believe me this hard ass training saved my ass n my brother veterans ass as well. If you never went through it you can never understand.
Thank you for your service:
Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing).
(Read the lyrics from the band TOOL for the song 46&2 about man’s shadow).
Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two.
Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer.
Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart, you will hesitate when you need to kill. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her.
Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end, and he is born again hard.
@@MetalDetroitI think a lot of people missed the animal mother Pyle thing and it’s right in our face most notably when they talk also Pyle is a big fat body animal mother is a big perfect fit
note that the sergeant is 2x their age, doing the run with them, and yelling the whole time
Alienation is what this movie is about. In war, you see friends die. If you cannot accept this quickly, you will melt down.
That sense of directionlessness you felt when watching this, is exactly what the Vietnam War made the country feel. Especially the young. We were those young.
A generation that sees spanking a child as an arrestable offense is going to have trouble watching this.
The truth is, war movies should never leave anyone "comfortable" and i would concentrate on the attributes of this titan of a director, as opposed to the feeling it impinged.
Kubrick has often been slighted about the "personal distance" his work implies. War maximizes emotional distance.
It is because his vision is something else, always unconscious and provocative.
Kubrick is unsurpassed as a visual genius.
Like how you noticed the Kubrick stare in his movies. It's prevalent in Clockwork Orange as well.
Great reaction! To answer some of your questions. The yelling and insults from the Senior Drill Instructor (SDI) serves a few purposes, 1- it keeps the recruits under constant pressure which is important in war, they learn to adapt and operate even the simplest of tasks while pressured. 2- it gets the recruits to not rely solely on the SDI's, but to instead rely on each other which is their team and it helps identify natural leaders which is why Pvt. Joker was promoted to squad leader when he refused to change his response to the SDI, it showed that he was a natural leader who isn't afraid to stick to his principles no matter who is trying to influence him to change. You also see the importance of the recruits relying on each other during the scene with the battle with the sniper when Pvt. Cowboy becomes squad leader after their leadership is killed making him the new leader which he wasn't really prepared for, 3- a lot of recruits come from different backgrounds and for a lot of recruits they have never really been told "no" before or even been yelled at so this is the first time for that and yelling is just something that you have to get used to because in battle you can experience something called "Auditory Exclusion" and in order to get through that the only way to communicate through that is to yell, so not all yelling is to be mean, when I was in the military our leadership used to say "We're not yelling, we're speaking in a manner for all of you to hear us".
Well said bro. 👍👍👍
USMC Parris Island graduate here. The yelling is necessary for several reasons. A platoon will begin with 60-80 recruits, so just basic hearing by all is one reason. Authority and command is second. When you're scared/disoriented/confused (as recruits are intentionally placed to prepare them for battle and war), Volume + Authority = Safety & A Plan. Semper Fidelis
"Joker" is being ironic. His apparent choice was to be drafted into the Army or choose to join an alternative branch of the military.
Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing).
(Read the lyrics from the band TOOL for the song 46&2 about man’s shadow).
Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two.
Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer.
Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart, you will hesitate when you need to kill. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her.
Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end, and he is born again hard.
It was adapted and based on a book called 'The Short-Timers' written by Gustav Hasford who like Joker was also a military journalist.
Cowboy getting killed hit me hard, he was a good guy, probably the most innocent of all the characters. Imagine what Joker felt, his best bro.
3:42 this is the Marine Corp’s “Rifleman’s creed”
So many good personal stories in the comments wow. Thank you all for your service and thank you for sharing.
Also thank you Gabby for making this happen! As always you’re the best. Classy as hell.
@5:40 "I would resign in the second week." Lol. I appreciate that sentiment bet remember, this is the Vietnam era in the 1960-70s. These guys didn't enlist (at least the majority besides Private Joker) they were drafted. They have two options, continue to train or go to federal prison.
Went through basic training in 2006
Changed my life and it will force you to look inside of yourself and execute whatever obstacles are in front of you.
Other than the physical treatment
Gunnery sgt hartman was the standard.
The idea of the training is for the Sergeant to be the embodiment of the suffering the recruits would face in war, so that they feel it less and have to rely on each other. Other branches are smoother with it because so much more of their mission is technical rather than personal.
The essence of boot training is (1) plant a grudge, then (2) point it at the "enemy".
My analysis has always been that the movie is, in part, moralistic. It's in part about humanity, but also importantly about the loss of innocence. You see it in Joker, and you see it in the final scene with the sniper. The fact that they are singing the Mickey Mouse Club song at the end is the biggest clue, as it was purposely chosen and is juxtaposed against the scene immediately preceding it.
Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing). Read the Lyrics for TOOL song 46&2.
Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two.
Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer.
Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart? You will hesitate. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her.
Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end.
What many people have eluded, basic training is designed to weed out the mentally unfit…
Yoooooo we watched this in boot camp when I was in the Navy back in 2003 and we was dying laughing because we had an instructor with a similar mindset.
It's really simple, the yelling bit.
You don't expect it, you're not ready for it, no matter how much you prep. And that's your first taste of what to expect when the stuff hits the fan. Because in the heat of the moment, whether your on the ground hunkering down from mortars and .50 caliber fire, or in the air dodging missiles and flak, or on a ship trying to seal bulkheads after a strike off the bow, it's madness. Pure, unadulterated chaos. The screaming and yelling is there to prep your mind for the unimaginable when it comes, as it will when you least expect it. Because even if you've got warning, even if you know the enemy is right over that horizon, you're just not ready for it with the shells start flying, but maybe you won't be as panicked or shocked and will get the first shot off.
"Teamwork is making the dream work." Nice quote!
Keep in mind, pretty much no one WANTED to go to Viet Nam. We had a draft back then, so it wasn't about "I would have quit" or "not everyone is cut out to serve." They had to train up the worst to serve competently along with the best. If being incompetent meant you got to sit it out, everyone would screw up to avoid having to go over.
So, yeah, to a certain degree you can have less degrading training now that our military is all-volunteer and people signed up to be there, themselves.
I joined the corps in 1994, so much too young to go to Vietnam, but I'll verify the Parris Island recruit training is pretty spot on. Except the amount of time Joker could spend with Pyle.. there was nowhere near that much free time when I went in. The pressure cooker aspect is absolutely accurate. If they can break your body or mind, they want to do it there.. not when people are depending on you. DI's weren't supposed to hit you when I went in, but they still knocked the Hell out of you anyway. They'd usually tell everyone to close their eyes first so everyone could honestly say they never saw a DI hit anyone. You'd close your eyes and hope it wasn't you. Then you'd hear the thud and when you were told to open your eyes, someone would be on the ground trying to get their breath back. By 3rd phase (last phase before graduation), the game was to take the hit. The unspoken goal was to take it unflinching and without change of expression. If you took a particularly hard shot.. maybe flash a smile back to acknowledge the hit.
Vietnam was going on, so many dont understand the harshness was nothing to what they were going to experience shortly.
They were getting them ready for COMBAT....
You have to understand for what those soldiers are being asked to go do. They have to prepare them the hard way not jus physically but mentally because alot of them not gonna make it back and the ones who do gonna be psychologically messed up.
My First time watching Full Metal Jacket with a BIG SMILE :) ....and then she watches Full Metal Jacket
To understand the yelling, consider the job. These are fighting men. They MUST succeed at what they do. It doesn’t matter how much the weather sucks, or how much pain you’re in. No matter how tired you are, you have to _correctly_ refuel the aircraft, or analyze the drone photos to know which one is bad guy HQ and which is a wedding.
So the idea, is to learn to think clearly and control yourself, esp under stress. You can bet ppl will be screaming when things get crazy and you can’t stand there all, “Stop yelling at meeee!” when someone yells for you to put your chem gear on. Trust, there are times the screaming goes too far, but it all has a purpose.
LMAO THE "What are they bout to do???" 👀
"I wanted to be the 1st kid on my block to get a confirmed kill" the joke being one shouldn't be proud of such things & he says it all smug & American-like.
Gets me everytime. His sarcasm is great
Just an FYI... He's a Drill Instructor. Drill Seargents are in the Army. Their job is to weed out the weak and induce stress to make sure you crack now and not in the field. Oh and salty means they are tough.
Obviously, you have never been to war or responsible for the life of others. Have you ever thought about what it is like to be a POW? If one cannot handle the stress of BootCamp, then they are not capable of serving.
That sniper was the villaness in Rush hour
Once you stop doing things wrong you don't get yelled at. And remember this was during a war.
The lady watching the video is so gorgeous and very well spoken
the treatment of recruits by drill instructors was addressed in the movie/ play "Biloxi Blues" by Sgt. Toomey (creepily as ever played by Chritopher Walken) " Men do not face enemy machine guns because they've been treated with kindness. I don't want them human. I want them obedient. I'm tryin' to save those boys lives, you crawlin' bookworm. You stand in my way, I'll pulverize you into chicken droppings."
The point of going after Pyle that hard was to get him to either quit or shape up, preferably the latter.
The point of the yelling, the abuse and the catch-22s is to build up resilience and get people to become used to the reality that things aren't going to go your way. You are going to lose, you are going to be miserable, you are going to be hurt, wet, cold, tired, hungry and stressed out, and it's up to you to cope, because it's not going away. They're pushing you towards a sort of resignation. When you can accept that your fate is not really in your hands, you can start focusing on what needs to be done.
Speaking with some Vietnam vets they say that this is the most accurate movie but more movies have been released since then
They are treated that way because that is how they will be treated in war..... they are kept under stress so they get used to it. You do not want people who would guard you be soft.
Yes they need to be yelled that was much more effective then when they were prepared for those situations.
He was tough on Pyle because Pyle could not do it... and one solider failed in company would be weaker. He was hard on Pyle because he wanted him to succeed not to abuse him.
You have to remember where the soldiers are heading. The things the drill sergeant was doing and saying is nothing compared to the hell they are headed for. Also lots of them did not join, they were drafted. My father always told me how much he hated his DS until the day he died, yet never respected a man more for teaching him how to come home from Vietnam. God bless our soldiers
Random bit of movie trivia - but the helo-gunner (firing on the civilians) in the chopper scene, was the original person cast as the drill sergeant. R. Lee Ermey was initially an advisor on the film, but due to a conflict of scheduling the guy in the helo scene was not available at first. Ermey was his stand-in, and deliberately set about stealing the role (not in a underhanded type way, just set his sights on it, and put in a performance that could not be ignored).
Best part of that whole opening scene is it was almost all improv! He was legitimately coming up with all those insults on the fly while putting the new recruits on blast! That the mark of a truly talented DI. Semper fi 😆
He improvised before filming the scene. It was then typed up for him to perform in front of the camera. That was too much to do on the fly.. too many technical elements had to be considered such as lighting, blocking, camera angles and focus. This was explained in a video I saw recently. And of course his personal experience and Marine Corps training kicked in.
My Army boot camp was in 79. Remember the military isn't a Social Club.
dont call Marines soldiers...we dont like it. SEMPER FI--btw, love how you watch movies objectively, and have a good sense of humor. All Marines are brother dark green, medium green and light green
21:28 I got to say that girl sniper is a phenomenal shot! To be able to hit her targets like that with an AK-47 is pretty crazy. The AK is pretty well known for not being an accurate weapon. Now, if she had something like an M40 bolt action rifle that would be more believable
Call, although this is extreme, the reason you get yelled at and messed with in Boot Camp is to teach you how to operate under stress. The drill sergeants, and company, commanders, stress you out as much as possible and force you to form tasks under stress. If you can’t perform tasks while someone is yelling at you, you have no chance of operating under the stress of combat. .
In USMC Boot camp, one of the priorities is to strip away the individual and train a marine. What you see as gas lighting and bullying is part of the process. Shaving of the head is one of the first things that's done upon getting off the bus, because it isn't story and bed time.
Like many have said the yelling causes stress and intimidation. Its amazing what your body will do when you hear a voice louder than the one in your head telling you to stop. Also does 2 other things. 1 it puts it out to the rest of the platoon so hopefully they hear and correct things so he doesn't have to. 2 it desensitizes you to how loud war is and the volume you have to speak to effectively communicate. I will say they did away with the hitting part and went to more sleep deprivation, which is probably more effective ( I didn't think the army does it anymore but it did when I went though BCT).
I don't think FMJ has character arcs, but more character zigzags, Kubrick being more concerned with the organization of entities committed to a kind of madness that the war in Vietnam was and I think the film in its "2 story" structure leads in a haunting way to the sudden revelation that the sniper is a young girl.
Kubrick was brilliant, my theory on the movie: this movie is based on Philosopher Carl Jung. When at the graves, the general confronts Joker for wearing a peace symbol while Born to Kill is on his helmet (joker says it’s the duality of man - the Jungian thing).
(Read the lyrics from the band TOOL for the song 46&2 about man’s shadow).
Jung believed in every person is a shadow capable of unspeakable horror. You must “die unto yourself” to expose your shadow. The movie is split in two.
Pyle is the weak man, Hartman tells him he is born again hard just before he kills Hartman, (becoming a killer) and himself (dying unto himself). The second part of the movie, Animal Mother is in fact, the shadow of Pyle, a killer.
Hartman says it’s the hard heart that kills, if you don’t have a hard heart, you will hesitate when you need to kill. As Joker sees the sniper, he hesitates and doesn’t kill her.
Earlier Joker asks how you can shoot women and children, his own shadow kills a female child near the end, and he is born again hard.
Was active duty Marine for 8 years. The purpose of yelling is to induce stress and teach the recruit to function in chaos. The Drill Instructors create chaos and the recruits learn to function in chaos. More over, Drill Instructos need to develop aggression in recruits so they can kill the enemy. Most civilians are averse to violence, so the DIs expose the recruits to aggression to teach them to function in battle and kill the enemy. Note that when PVT Joker stand up to Gunny Heartman he is promoted. The purpose of the abuse is to teach assertiveness and calm thinking. Yelling isn't war, but it's a gradually exposure to the stress Marines face in battle.
WE got the crap kicked out of us at basic training at Ft Jackson in '67.....And many of us ,, even now, would have to plead guilty to a warm and fuzzy feeling when sarge met Pvt Pyles M-14 in the latrine...Sarge,, in his own words, wanted his trainee's to become ministers of death....sarge was VERY good at his job...
Being shot at is as stressful as anything. One of the jobs of the DI is to increase stress levels and require clear thought to show the ability to think while being stressed is possible.
As former military, yes, getting yelled at and being under CONSTANT pressure, both physical and mental, is what boot camp is all about. If you get flustered having a drill Sargent yell at you, how do you think you'll handle enemy soldiers shooting at you while bombs are going off? Weeding out the people who can take it from those that cant is the point. It's also about breaking down the person you came in as, and then building up the soldier they want you to be. Especially during the time this movie is taking place, as these guys will be shipping to the front lines of Vietnam and fighting for their lives in the boiling heat of the jungle.
The Military isn't just "a job", and the drill Sargent isn't just "your boss", and no you can't just quit. You singed a contract and the government pretty much owns you for the time of your enlistment. If you "quit" that's called going AWAL, and you get thrown in military prison, and then dishonorably discharged, which then makes it hard to find work in the real world.
The sniper was a young woman, but she wasn't a child.
You got to understand instructor is trying to mentally prepare them for battle. When the shit starts you will be yelling to be heard over all the other background noises and explosions.
Joker killed the Sniper as an act of mercy. I guess it was painting him in between a killer and a peacemaker
The reason the Drill Instructor yells is he is trying to tear the recruits down then build them back up as a cohesive unit that will be willing to die for each other and the country.
I’ve always looked at it as they are being prepared for if ever they were captured by the enemy or in a situation that seemed like there is no way out.
everyone says the sniper was a girl, but she was an adult woman. also, joker shot the sniper to save her from suffering more before she died. it was actually an act of kindness.
Darling if you saw the movie A few good men what they did to Pyle would be considered a Code Red as a marine I was told one person mess up everyone pays for it .
I love watching these reactions especially from younger people. It confirms we did things right back then and there was a method to the marines bt. I am glad we have technology now as if we had to have marines like we had during WWI and WWII from this current crop of youth we would get slaughtered.
3:55 - That is a simple example of the Cohesiveness.
The shift in the film is meant to disturb the audience in some small way to come as close as a film can to the dissonance of going to war. It's supposed to feel disjointed and like two films because going from training to war is going from this very regimented place full of rules and being dropped into utter chaos.
These are Marines, a volunteer corp.
4:38 Basic training isn't supposed to get the person prepared for the battlefield. It's just supposed to familiarize you with how the military works and teach you discipline. Military occupational training after bootcamp will teach you the basics of whatever job you're going to do but you're not really prepared until you've actually spent time in your unit.
So the yelling and hazing might not be crucial, it does help give you the feeling of accomplishment and that you've earned the right to be there.
They have to weed out the non-hackers.
13:59 - No fear (Remember that was said). Not robots but, fearless.