I dont like Neil Degrasse Tyson too much but he made a great point of this. No matter what you'll have to do to terraform mars, it is so much easier to just fix this planet.
It wasn’t a let’s run from the issues on earth it was a back up plan incase something out of our control were to happen to earth. A backup for life. And getting to other planets and terraforming them makes us have to work out unique issues and in Doing so as side effects we create other neat things we’ll end up using in daily lives. I don’t care how intelligent Tyson is, by saying hey let’s never progress and expand out to explore is just ignorant.
It’s quite odd how many of us humans have jumped to the expensive and wacky idea of living on another planet, when we could put more resources towards staying on our OWN...
This is for the future, you have to make a start now so by the time Earth is no longer habitable or when the sun swallows us, we will hopefully be able to live on an entire different solar system. Think about how many millions of years this will all take.
Not Elons idea . I don’t know who first came up with it but I first heard it over 20 years ago as a kid. Probably a lot of people have independently thought of it. People also have thought of nuking moon, asteroids and even Jupiter’s red spot…
Yea and people soon realised it's not that simple. However, for someone of Elons caliber to continue believe this should tell us he isn't as intelligent in the scientific field. He's just a good business man.
Whether he came up with the idea or not is irrelevant, if you believe in an idea and you understand and support it wholeheartedly, it becomes yours. That's a fact.
The idea was brought up by Soviets back in 1969 ! They thought climate changing Mars would make it livable, however they couldn't have rockets that reached that far, thus thw hypersonic missile yet they only just discovering the negative effects with nukes, they will have to use something else to do it.
Another issue with the nuke mars plan is that unlike the dust of earth, the martain version called regolith, is highly abrasive and once airborn, it would make reaching the ground or to orbit if you're already on the surface, practically lethal to fly through until it had settled. Asteroids would increase this exponentially.
Besides the difference in name, Martian Regolith is the exact opposite of the contents on Earth that we call soil but forgetting about all that it may be lethal but I'm pretty sure the suits would protect you
The other issue is the atmospheric pressure. We’re built to live off of about 20.5% oxygen at 14.7 psi, the lowest we can even stay conscious is about 18%. The atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars is about .095 psi, that’s roughly .065% of ours. Even if the atmosphere was 100% oxygen, the pressure would have to increase by almost 25 times just for the partial pressure of O2 to reach the equivalent of 16% at our sea level, the bare minimum to survive. It would have to increase by almost 28 times to get the oxygen levels high enough to stay conscious. And these are absolute bare minimums, with absolutely nothing but oxygen in the air. With an atmosphere similar to ours, it would require a pressure increase of around 140 times what it currently is. Crashing asteroids into the planet would help with that by increasing the overall mass of the planet, but I have a feeling that it would require a ridiculous amount of them to effect the gravity enough to reach those numbers.
@@Slayr. You're joking right? You want to put smoke into bags and ship it to Mars? For one, you'd have to compress that gas in order for it to fit on spacecraft Then it would take an insane amount of resources to ship all of it to Mars And in the end it still wouldn't be anywhere near enough greenhouse gasses to get Mars's atmosphere close where we want it
Since I was a little kid I’ve always been obsessed with Space. Always knew I’d get to see people go to mars. I’m 30 now and honestly I wonder if I’ll see it in my lifetime. The feats required to pull it off are insane. Just the time getting to and from is crazy. Unless there are breakthroughs in propulsion technology I don’t see it happening for a good while
I'm 30 too and I thought in my lifetime we would see it but now I'm not to sure. Hope there's recarnations of some sort lol then we will be able too 😂 I think maybe there's truth in all religions so maybe that parts right and we will be able to experience life outside this world at a massive level of beauty
What's the point of seeing people going to Mars? It's not like you and me will go there, it's gonna be for the elite to save themselves after destroying earth.
Since it would take thousands of years with current technology to terraform mars, we might as well forget about it for the time being and concentrate on not ending earth.
The 1% don't appreciate Earth, which is why they allow climate change to run rampant and block any and all action towards it. The people should NOT build any escape space craft for the 1% if it is the last thing we do.
Like really…Tf we need mars for, this is probably how aliens view us “maybe we should blow up that whole planet and start it from scratch so it better suits our environment & way of survival”
Yep. From having the perfect magnetosphere to our perfect atmosphere, to the insane story of chemical evolution that created life in the primordial oceans, we have a crazy lucky history. I wish more people couple understand how absurdly lucky we are to exist.
Regarding the idea of terraforming another planet to live on because we've damaged Earth's atmosphere too much. If we have the technology to terraform Mars, surely we also have the technology to terraform Earth. And surely it's easier to terraform Earth to be more Earthlike than to make Mars more Earthlike.
We don't have the technology to terraform Earth, that is in the far future. We're already having a tough time removing greenhouse gases from Earth while Mars has hardly any, which is why adding greenhouse gasses to mars instead of earth is actually beneficial in order to make it's atmosphere livable compared to how it is currently. Most of these methods involve laying impacts onto celestial bodies. Most of which could end some amount of lives on earth, and even change our atmosphere and affect animals for the worse.
Thermonuclear doesn't have near the fallout of a regular fission bomb. Small fission reaction explodes to start a fusion reaction. Way bigger bang for a much less radiation.
@@mr.monitor. I think its more the heat from the bomb they're after. Fallout is like chernobyl where it will be radioactive for 10,000 years. Thermonuclear is way bigger bomb with maybe 10-100 years of radioactive fallout. Research the difference between fission bomb and fusion bomb. Excuse the pun but it blew my mind!
Please give the narrator a contract extension for eternity with infinite money. His voice is calming and soothing. I preferred his voice way more than when they used to have the other guy a few years back. This guy talking makes me want to watch the videos more. Thank you infographics show for providing and informative and entertaining channel.
Low gravity is also a major issue with “living” on Mars. Venus has Earth like gravity, is closer and has a warm protective atmosphere. We could have “floating” stations in the upper atmosphere much easier than messing with Mars.
@@caesarsalad1170 Sad, but I wouldn't mind with Venus tbh ^^ I like the water, it reminds me being peaceful than messing with Mars, I even feel highly sad if I did live there just because of Elon "plans". I would feel regret for not able to live a simple, beautiful life like alien does on space
*you'll only aggravate and annoy the subterranean martian civilization that still dwells there by doing that...probably not the best course of action for the well being on those who still live on earth and keep all our stuff here...just sayin'*
Hm. Well that would require less resources to get the resources there Possibly. Especially if the asteroid has a lot of metal and other materials. Then we'd need the equipment to mine it, store it, and have some sort of factory to manufacture with it already on the planet. I don't think we can build it from scratch through the asteroids resources, mainly because we'd already need the stuff there to extract it and use it. And any humans on the planet would need to steer clear of the impact zone, if we use robots maybe less so.
You know what I think? Imagine in the relatively distant future, say 200 to 275 years from now, we do begin to colonize other planetary bodies in earnest. Mars is a great place for a spaceport, but not as easy to terraform as you might believe. Because the planet has been geologically dead for a few billion years. Venus, on the other hand? It sounds crazy, but it might be easier to *decrease* the density of an existing atmosphere and gradually change it's composition instead of building one from scratch, using the same methods. Venus isn't geologically dead and has a strong magnetic field, meaning it would still theoretically retain whatever atmosphere was left. Besides that, by the time we could perfect that terraforming technique, we just might be able to repair the damage we've done to the Earth at that point. Assuming we're still around to see all of this happen. Just food for thought.
@@Nonamelol. Except that ignores the lack of a magnetosphere, meaning solar wind strips the atmosphere. Also, as the video notes, there's a severe lack of water to bring the atmospheric pressure up. Once you get a magnetosphere going, you'd need to piledrive icy comets into the place, then a solar mirror to melt it. A better use would be to dismantle it and get a dyson swarm going.
Well except to give the human race a chance to not all be killed at once in the event of a extinction level event. Idk something about dinosaurs and an asteroid
I remember hearing about this interplanetary swarm idea. Kinda like drone light shows but for planets. And they are solar powered with a way to redirect that energy. Just a concept, but if it had multiple uses, that would be useful. Maybe something easy to fix (as possible) so it can stay in space once deployed, more so than even satélites
Unfortunately this disregards the true unsolvable problem with Mars terraforming: Without a magnetosphere, Mars' atmosphere will degrade over time. It needs a protective magnetic field to prevent solar winds from destroying it. Don't know how we solve that as Mars has a dead core.
It is possible to create an artificial magnetosphere with a powerful electromagnet at the L1 Lagrange point. Electromagnets powerful enough to do this have already been created.
Problem with mars is its thin atmosphere, we would somehow need to increase its magnetic field. I've seen a paper once that is possible to do this in theory by building a magnetic ring around the planet but I am no scientist, so dunno. Edit: I also think we should be focusing on Jupiter's moon Europa instead since the presence of water is quite likely and even alien life, but Mars seems to get all the attention, so dunno
There was a episode of Star Trek Enterprise where they redirected a asteroid made of ice to hit the poles to terraform mars which sounds a lot better than nukes.
@@bebemax95 What about asteroids ? Is this some form of cosmic prejudice/racism. Why not have asteroids made of ice. I bet there out there but you would prefer to call them comets !
@@_-HaKooNa.MaTaTa- So what. Who cares ! I don't. Asteroids and comets are cellestial bodies and should be treated as sacred and left alone (other than for research purposes.)
One of the main story lines of The Expanse is the terraforming of Mars. The effort is mainly given up after the opening of the ring gates as there are still generations of work to do to complete the project and new habitable planets exist. The books not go into any detail how this is done, but what they learn from this terraforming activity gives the human living on Mars a technological advantage. Again, it is one of those ‘hard to fathom, but suspend your questions’ parts that propel the story but do not provide any roadmaps. Come to think of it: that’s just like most of Musk’s ideas.
Well terraforming a planet over hundrets of years is not that far fetched when spaceships have pretty much infinite fuel and you can travel from the asteroid belt to the inner planets in a couple days.
Well said , reason why legions of people take a lot of Musk’s ideas seriously ( many just aren’t great, quite the opposite) is his business success ( which doesn’t correlate to great ideas , strategies , innovations to push humanity forward).
Couldn’t we use the sun shield for earth in case a rogue solar storm hits us? We only have short notice when it happens so couldn’t we deploy the shield to help protect civilization?
Maybe, but a sun shield that large could have an effect on Earth's orbit around the sun. Sun shields are currently being tested by NASA as a potential propulsion system.. one big enough might _move_ the Earth.
Earth ofc need to be saved but colonizing other planets is cool. Also Earth is capable of holding like 10 bilion people and being overcrowded so other planets would be helpful for further expansion
It doesn't matter if we save the earth or not. Sooner or later it's gonna be destroyed by natural events anyways which means we need to colonise other planets for our survival. Solving the engineering challenges of Mars would also mean having the engineering skill set to maintain Earth (easier task). We'll just have two planets eventually.
Even if they could release its co2 to the atmosphere, it is still futile because mars has very weak magnetosphere which makes mars still prone to solar winds.
Co2 is already in the atmosphere of Mars and that point has already been made. The point though is they have came up with a solution to fix that problem. The next point would be gravity to help mars better hold an atmosphere.
@@mervstash3692 True, but the core of a planet doesn't really generate gravity though, it is the mass of the planet as a whole that does that. While we cannot restart the dynamo again, the solution of magnetic shielding might be able to be attained through the satellite shield that was introduced in the video. To be honest, I don't know what would happen to the core of the planet if more mass was able to be added to Mars. The action might actually put enough pressure on the core to liquefy around the core to get some kind of dynamo effect started, or it could do absolutely nothing. The thing that is keeping earth's Mantle liquefied is the gravity of the earth putting so much pressure on the iron core of the Earth. That combined with the friction of the Earth's rotation keeps the Mantle in a liquefied state. Take away mass from the earth, you would take away some of that pressure, and thus solidify the Mantle, and voilà you would turn the Earth into another Mars. Yet, humans seem to ignore this inconvenient fact and focus on being silly.
@@lovingbeast5045 You can't have an atmosphere without a working core. The core generates the magnetic field that protects the atmosphere from all the radiation. If you don't address that first, the rest is irrelevant.
@@mervstash3692 Venus would disagree with your statement. Venus' core does not generate a magnetic field, yet Venus has the densest atmosphere of all the terrestrial planets.
I'm glad you addressed the lack of a magnetic field, but it's no coincidence multicellular life arose after the ozone layer formed here on Earth. We need a means of creating an ozone layer to filter out harmful UV rays on Mars as well. I doubt one shield would be enough, too. Maybe a fusion bomb directly to the core to melt it into functionality?
are you kidding ? you do know how BIG Mar's core is , right ? how many nukes do you think you'll need ? a couple of hundred million ? more ? We simply don't have the tech to do something like pump enough uranium/thorium into the core to kick start enough decay to generate heat to get the core to stratify and get geomagnetism going, you'd need a mine the size of the moon to extract enough radioactive material. No that is not going to work. Even using some thing like that NASA idea is too wild. The best bet, by far, is simply to go underground. By excavating massive internal caverns, and I mean massive, then we could set up entire cities and have total control over the climate inside. That offers superior options that beat any surface city.
You DO KNOW how the Ozone layer forms, right ? High up in the atmosphere where U.V. has higher energy (shorter wavelength and higher intensity) the energy of that U.V is absorbed by oxygen molecule which is enough to break the covalent bond and causes the free oxygen radicle to form another bond with molecular oxygen forming ozone...
@@nitzan3782 yeah I know...still you're talking hundreds of billions of bombs, I don't think you get how BIG that core is. Look at it like this, the biggest nuke ever , Tsar Bomba, wouldn't even vaporize Hawaiian Islands, now go have a look at google Earth at how small that main Island is, pan out and think about how small that is compared to even a Tenth of Earth's core...lol, it's like atoms to oranges lol...it really is...
Crazy idea, but what if we took care of earth first. I understand the desire to become a multi-planetary species but we should really master the basic care of one planet before we go doubling down on a 2nd planet that is frequently 250 million miles away. If we continue living like we do today, the Earth will need terraforming well before we have the prerequisite technology to change landscapes and climates to something else other than radioactive rubble.
The best way to a solve complex problem is to state with full confidence the 'correct' answer. Which will in turn motivate countless others who may actually be capable of finding the real answer, to prove them wrong. I think this might apply. Take caution disregarding intuitive people for the sake of intelligent people. Sometimes you simply need to point people in the right direction to make a change in the world.
I don’t think Elon purposefully promotes a dumb idea just so smarter people can tell him why he’s wrong. Especially when he has the bigger microphone in media. This seems like a lot of excuse to just not admit Elon is wrong and either doesn’t know enough to know he’s wrong, or refused to admit so
You call Musk "intuitive" ? He's just a spoiled rich brat who buys up successful companies and then bankrupt them. The only reason SpaceX is still going is because of taxpayers money.
I'm no scientific genius but water is made out of hydrogen and oxygen. If there's both hydrogen and oxygen on Mars, the technology has to be exist to combine these gases into water. Maybe this process would be insufficient to completely terraform Mars but it would convenient to make bubble life possible. And I have no idea whether there's hydrogen or oxygen on Mars, or in what quantities. And I have no clue about the side effects of depleting Mars' atmosphere of these gases. I'm just sayin'.
Neuclear winter would be short lived on Mars brcause of no magnetic field blocking solar winds. It would take a very short time to (blow) the dust particlesfrom Mars atmosphere. Also, how are these greenhouse gasses going to stay on Mars since there is no magnetic field? Just curious
We need to focus on the moon first, it just makes more sense, if we can get a station on the moon, mine it, launching space ships will be less expensive
I say we terraform venus, because it already has an atmosphere. And many other pluses, Gravity: 8.87 m/s2 ✅ In edge of habitable zone ✅ Thick atmosphere ✅ All we would need to do is send some asteroids it’s way to make it’s tilt more like earths and give it a 24 hour day cycle. And since we terraforming which is advanced technology, that would mean we could bring mercury into the orbit venus. And done! If venus doesn’t work then we could just terraform earth before anything bad happens to it.
Mars had its atmosphere blown away, it's water was blown into space, and it's magnetic field vanished because of our star. The giant valley on Mars was created by it's lowest magnetic field line was supercharged, and a plasma burst ripped into the crust.
@@10191927 The atmosphere can be thickened. Gravity can be increased artificially or we may find we can survive with some modifications to lifestyle, such as visiting a spinning artificial gravity device an hour or two a day. I'll never understand why some people have so little imagination.
After climbing out of the gravity well of Earth, why would we climb back down into another one? Our resources would best be expended on building space habitats, unless there is some sort of useful resource down there.
the issue with that is the need for reliable artificial gravity and a LOT of radiation shielding would be needed before we can survive long term in space.
@@tetsatou2815 on a planet that's in space. Ask the astronauts how we'll our bodies do in space? It takes about a year to rehab yourself back to "normal" because the body has to re-adapt to gravity. Until we figure out a way to counter weightlessness we're gonna see a body that can only live in space.
another big issue with the whole nuking thing is that it would require a country to deplete some of its nuclear stockpile. which could lead to possible wars or conflicts.
Great video. Some recent videos have been a little sketchy on details but you did a great job on this one. You hit every point I would have stuck in this comment 😄
I think I liked it better when Elon was just making Teslas😭 this plan is very risky and my question is why should we do this?? We can't mess with other planets we should just leave it be
I see a possible solution to 2 problems, if we can find a way of trapping and storing the excess green house gasses we have here on earth and then transport all that extra greenhouse gasses to Mars and release them there, we would be able to lower Temps here on earth and raise climate temperatures on Mars and be able to start the process of terraforming mars.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq yes, I do. That's the whole point of this video. There are no life forms on Mars. We humans would NOT be committing any genocide by doing this, since again, there us no life on Mars. This a POSSIBLE solution I see about helping our planet and terraforming another planet so we humans can live on Mars, since our planet is getting overpopulated and resources here are being used up, and I also wish that people here on earth would be more responsible and stop overpopulating our planet and would more responsible with our resources and help our fellow man but unfortunately too many just don't want to.
Nuking it won't sustain a terraforming, unless it stack more matter granted resources , see...The true reason why Mars at this moment isn't habital, is the fact, being far more fraction of the Earth mass, a smaller mass, equals a smaller core, equals a smaller exolt of lava, to spew the right amount of elements, listed on a modern chemistry chart from Earth to surface, which equals right now, a less jolt of geomagnetic power for solar protection. So to make Mars naturally habital, you need to stack MASS on the planet, for example, pile some of the astro belt debrees on Mars ( more like put it back). Until near equal to Earth mass size. Then make a large object like Phobos or Ganymede, to substitute as solar green house radiation, like a local version of the Earth Sun. Nuking will actually decay it more, hitting the ice only erupts more resource to surface, but cannot sustain for long, going back to its usual.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq as I said previously I wish we could go ahead and be doing the responsible things for our planet and humanity but the people in power in our country and all over the globe seem to not wanna do that, and I alone can't do it by myself, many of us are vocal about this, we protest peacefully, we try to elect better leaders in government, but the rich and elites in power have made things near impossible to change, just look at our current political problems in this country and how hard it is to prosecute politicians who led an insurrection.
The thing is I don’t remember you once saying about the radiation it will spread from the Nukes leaving it another 300years before you can even land on mars let alone inhabit it
My non peer reviewed idea was to send out a nuclear powered space fleet to the Ort cloud to select icy bodies and to push them in to strategically strike Mars in such a way as to not drastically change its orbit. But generating an artificial magnetic field is genius.
Saturn’s rings are mostly water and 1000 times closer than the Oort Cloud. I love the idea of bombarding the surface of mars with massive hunks of ice.
Im all for making bases on mars and the moon but going about it the way we are is concerning. If we didnt constantly do war and worked together we could do all this stuff so much easier and do it far better.
90% of the people who matter are working together. Also the 88% of earth who want to stay aren’t just going to drop everything to come help us play space man. Thus, making it hard to get governments involved.
Rather Elon is right or not, he's a intelligent man taking action. He's actually going to get us through to the end with getting to space. Instead of twiddling our thumbs making expensive space movies with fingers up our noses we should be in Mars helping Elon Musk who's doing something that means well. Infact many sci fi movies are more expensive than the space ships to the moon.
It’s good to take action. But you actually have to be right in order to effectively complete the action. You need to be accurate or it’s going to be disastrous. We are barely even protecting this planet moving to Mars by nuking it is very high risk…especially the cancer causing effects and radiation’s nukes cause and destroys the system of a planet we don’t even completely have knowledge about. Doing experiments of what works and what doesn’t would be more effective than full on nuking it.
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The greenhouse gas plan has another problem, even if we somehow built up enough CO2 on Mars (realistically this would involve transporting C02 from somewhere else, Venus is an option I guess) CO2 is toxic to humans. A better, cheaper plan that we could actually do in this century if we really wanted to warm Mars up, would be to put a bunch of very large mirrors (essentially Mylar sheets that are hundreds of kilometers across) in high orbit to reflect more sunlight onto the planet's surface. Having a magneto sheath is also a good idea , as like the video said it would allow Mars to build up at least some atmosphere over time but more importantly it would help protect humans from solar particle radiation (though cosmic radiation will still be a problem). A magnito sheath to protect Mars wouldn't even need much power (relatively speaking), roughly as much as a couple modern nuclear reactors can generate.
@@felixphoshoko1542 Possibly, if there is still (assuming there ever was) life deep beneath the surface or under the ice caps. I think that would be pretty cool:)
@@zachcrawford5 that and there's a theory that life on Earth my have been carried by asteroids. So the idea of using asteroids to "help" with the terraforming process may bring new life. Plus there are life forms that do survive the harsh environment of space. Lol kinda reminds me of that movie called evolution.
Better idea: planetary shields for Sol III, fixing Sol III's problems first and build a Dyson sphere. Then we can think about terraforming and have the power to do it
No one wants to address the Big Question - gravity. How do you have a colony where you have growing humans (pregnancy, babies, etc.) in a small percentage of Earth's gravity? Until that happens, no permanent colony can be established.
So the goal is to warm a planet well nuclear power plants seems like a much more effecient plan. As far as oxygen goes it's worth pointing out that you can't get oxygen without CO2 there, sequestration of CO2 would make Mars even colder. Seems like we could manage earth problems to create a much warmer Mars although living there would be limited. Yes, I stayed at a Motel 6 last night.
@@mikepotter4109 Every Motel 6 where I'm at is a complete drug den, with police visiting nightly (but doing not much to stop it permanently). Best Western is maybe a $20 over the M6 price but you get so much more, and no tweakers tweaking in the middle of the night. I guess it all depends where you are, and especially if you're driving & staying wherever convenient. P.S. figures, I didn't mention.. I'm in Northern California, but from the Balkans originally. Soz for bad grammUr
well the whole idea of nuking the planet would be the stimulate the planets inner gore and make it molten again and then maybe starting up the core again.
Restart the core which is fusion like on earth ours is dying also because they don’t know the real actual age of anything. Ever see total recall the Arnold version . The core creates the magnetic shield . You have water there anyway and you could live in underground malls as fancy as you want very easy to do with a manageable energy source . Nukes are a travesty of mankind . May we take God with us 😢
@@soulsreaper7145 numbing the planet to try and kickstart the core is like doing surgery with a flame thrower. Maybe you could nuke the old core itself and maybe that would work. But biking the surface. No way.
To colonize Mars we need to colonize the moon first. Its already proven that it is way more easyer to travel from to Mars via the moon than from Earht.
While I dislike Elon (and most of what he says) he did 2 years of a PhD in physics. In the very beginning you’re discrediting him to an absurd degree. It hurts your argument. Appeal to accomplishment/authority is not a good start to your argument. Especially when the person has proven they have a high level of understanding in the topic via finishing their research years.
Seriously, Elong interacts with people with advanced degrees on a daily basis, and ones who are tippy tops in their fields. Just because he once threw out an interesting possibility on a talk show doesn't make it "his plan," much less something he'll ever actually endorse.
The asteroid method would work better if they slam as many as possible to Mars, direct a sizeable chunk of the asteroid belt into Mars and it'll improve the mass of the planet (to improve it's ability to maintain it's atmosphere), along with directing necessary gasses and liquids
Honestly we should stop discussing life in space or another planet and start focusing on our current planet. Earth is a beautiful blessing that we need to fight to protect. Mars is not ours, Earth is. If we cannot even take care of the planet we were born on, we don’t deserve another
That's moronic. The money needed to get to Mars is a drop compared to the trillions we've spent, on welfare programs. Our civilization is capable of doing two things at once.
@@Christobanistan The thing is I really don’t think we deserve Mars when we are the cause of the destruction of Earth. Colonizing Mars is a complicated task that would take a very long time to figure out. Time we won’t even have if we don’t fix climate change. In my opinion climate change should be our top priority right now. The issue I have with the “let’s just move to Mars” mentality is that for some they see it as an option to replace fighting climate change. Some view it as a way to save us without having to save the planet. Without the worry of climate change people aren’t worried about doing small things in their lives that help the Earth out in the long run. Another issue is that the Mars thing is selfish. We are saving ourselves from the issue we caused instead on focusing our attention and money on saving all life on our planet. The creatures that are dying because of our doing deserves to be saved. There are many other ethical and environmental issues I have with the Mars thing, but I hope you have a better understanding of my opinion based upon what I have shared here. I respect your opinion though
Does NOT matter either way. Don't allow the 1% to escape to Mars when planet Earth becomes largely uninhabitable. Let the likes of Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos etc... suffer here with the rest of us.
What is actually sad is we push solar, wind, electric vehicles. Yet if actually look at the collection of materials, manufacturing,energy storage, life cycle, and recycling of those products . We will be worse off environmentally. Nuclear power is a better option for the power grid unfortunately.
“Disclaimer: Elon isn’t a scientist. I’m heavily implying that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and that you shouldn’t take him seriously.” Disclaimer to the disclaimer: Elon owns a space company and is surrounded by scientists who advise him. He knows what he’s talking about. If Biden made a statement about something science or medical related, would anyone make a disclaimer about him not being a scientist? No, ridiculous. Anything Elon says has more credibility than whatever this channel says.
I’ve noticed this channel leaning more left also. He bashes Elon, but why didn’t he show his qualifications before giving his opinion? Pretty sure Elon is smarter than a guy making UA-cam videos!
scientifically speaking elon is wrong, the person might lie but maths and statistics won't. Just because Elon is a smart guy doesn't mean he is always right. If elon says to you that we should join cults for saving earth, would you blindly follow him just because he is a smart person (not referencing anything, just showing an extrapolated analogy)
Even if he was serious about the nukes, the vid implies that he’s come to this decision without consulting with industry experts. Everyone knows Elon doesn’t operate this way.
I hope people know you don't need a peer reviewed study published to know what you're taking about. If you need evidence I can point you to mountains worth of peer reviewed studies and papers published that were factually wrong. This type of "Appeal to authority" is a fallacy.
The problem with terraforming anything at all, is that the scope is near incomprehensible. Meaning, that even if you can figure out how it is supposed to be done, thats a far cry from actually managing it. We are talking planetary levels of modification to get the VERY specific set of circumstances required to support human life. I doubt we will have the technology to do this any time soon, if we can even do it at all.
What about the release of huge amounts of radioactive materials by the nukes? Many of the isotopes dispersed over whole Mars (see contamination after nuclear tests in 1960s) have half lives longer than tausends years. The use nuclear explosions on the scale needed to sufficently change atmosphere/climate of Mars, would be not "terraforming", but rather "chelnobyloforming" of the planet.
There is another huge problem that i never hear iy mentioned and that is how do you how do you release green house gases and have them get trapped in the planets atmosphere when there is no atmosphere to trap them its a catch 22 releasing green house gases on mars would just float of into space. You need an atmosphere to create an atmosphere
Mars has a huge mass problem, it’s small enough where its outer core cools down, solidifies and stops spinning so much faster than ours does/will here on earth. This is important because the outer core spinning generates a magnetosphere which provides protection against solar radiation and things of that nature. Without the magnetosphere the atmosphere gets stripped away and (makes) mars inhabitable.
You spent the first two minutes discrediting Musk and tearing down his idea as taking “decades or longer”. Then you proceeded to talk about other ways to warm the planet that might take centuries? Who is writing for you these days?
There's also the problem of poor soil nutrition. On earth, our soil is why we can so easily grow edible plants. There is no efficient way to convert the red rocks of Mars into suitable soil. Everything would have to be grown hydroponically. Also, H2O in large quantities is required. My suggestion for terraforming is to guide and crash sizable comets into its surface. Perhaps 10 mile-wide comets could be slammed into this around the planet which would vaporize on impact. Later, we could set up stations to melt this ice not unlike permafrost found in our poles on Earth.
I dont like Neil Degrasse Tyson too much but he made a great point of this. No matter what you'll have to do to terraform mars, it is so much easier to just fix this planet.
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Regardless, it’s better to have a backup plan on Mars.
It wasn’t a let’s run from the issues on earth it was a back up plan incase something out of our control were to happen to earth. A backup for life. And getting to other planets and terraforming them makes us have to work out unique issues and in Doing so as side effects we create other neat things we’ll end up using in daily lives. I don’t care how intelligent Tyson is, by saying hey let’s never progress and expand out to explore is just ignorant.
It's not a competition, we can do both.
@@Slayr. Sure, but I'd say fixing Earth is a MUCH higher priority. Terraforming Mars is a cool long-term goal but not viable in the short-term
This is why aliens dont mess with us. Always tryna blow stuff up even if it's not our own planet
They could be more powerful though, my guy.
No no he’s right
Or, it could be because we say things like, "tryna"
LOL
@@john.wick1 ok mister grammar police 🤓
It’s quite odd how many of us humans have jumped to the expensive and wacky idea of living on another planet, when we could put more resources towards staying on our OWN...
It's all politics unfortunately that's stopping progression because everything costs money
This is for the future, you have to make a start now so by the time Earth is no longer habitable or when the sun swallows us, we will hopefully be able to live on an entire different solar system. Think about how many millions of years this will all take.
Shame these resources aren’t communal
Both are quite different ideas
You do know that in a soon we'll can't live on earth since pollution and others the sun will die out
"Nukes are too weak, we must shell it with asteroids" - Humans in a nutshell.
It's more about the leftover radiation.
U ruined it
I feel like "I can't decide if I should eat a tide pod, or a$$" is more humans in a nutshell, and your comment is more government in a nutshell.
Asteroids wouldn't improve the situation either.
best.........plan..........ever
Not Elons idea . I don’t know who first came up with it but I first heard it over 20 years ago as a kid. Probably a lot of people have independently thought of it. People also have thought of nuking moon, asteroids and even Jupiter’s red spot…
Yea and people soon realised it's not that simple. However, for someone of Elons caliber to continue believe this should tell us he isn't as intelligent in the scientific field. He's just a good business man.
Dont tell me you don't like seeing stuff blow up tho?
Whether he came up with the idea or not is irrelevant, if you believe in an idea and you understand and support it wholeheartedly, it becomes yours. That's a fact.
The idea was brought up by Soviets back in 1969 ! They thought climate changing Mars would make it livable, however they couldn't have rockets that reached that far, thus thw hypersonic missile yet they only just discovering the negative effects with nukes, they will have to use something else to do it.
@@work90 *Con man.
Another issue with the nuke mars plan is that unlike the dust of earth, the martain version called regolith, is highly abrasive and once airborn, it would make reaching the ground or to orbit if you're already on the surface, practically lethal to fly through until it had settled. Asteroids would increase this exponentially.
Besides the difference in name, Martian Regolith is the exact opposite of the contents on Earth that we call soil but forgetting about all that it may be lethal but I'm pretty sure the suits would protect you
The other issue is the atmospheric pressure. We’re built to live off of about 20.5% oxygen at 14.7 psi, the lowest we can even stay conscious is about 18%.
The atmospheric pressure on the surface of Mars is about .095 psi, that’s roughly .065% of ours. Even if the atmosphere was 100% oxygen, the pressure would have to increase by almost 25 times just for the partial pressure of O2 to reach the equivalent of 16% at our sea level, the bare minimum to survive.
It would have to increase by almost 28 times to get the oxygen levels high enough to stay conscious. And these are absolute bare minimums, with absolutely nothing but oxygen in the air. With an atmosphere similar to ours, it would require a pressure increase of around 140 times what it currently is.
Crashing asteroids into the planet would help with that by increasing the overall mass of the planet, but I have a feeling that it would require a ridiculous amount of them to effect the gravity enough to reach those numbers.
What if we found a way to send Our greenhouse gases to mars? If you can trap smoke in a bag maybe we can do something similar with our air waste.
@@bulletproofkarma9480 There are a few moons that have "reasonable effort" potential.
@@Slayr. You're joking right? You want to put smoke into bags and ship it to Mars?
For one, you'd have to compress that gas in order for it to fit on spacecraft
Then it would take an insane amount of resources to ship all of it to Mars
And in the end it still wouldn't be anywhere near enough greenhouse gasses to get Mars's atmosphere close where we want it
@@Slayr. easy to say than actually doing it
@@shadowdragon3521 maybe we could build this on Mars.
Since I was a little kid I’ve always been obsessed with Space. Always knew I’d get to see people go to mars. I’m 30 now and honestly I wonder if I’ll see it in my lifetime. The feats required to pull it off are insane. Just the time getting to and from is crazy. Unless there are breakthroughs in propulsion technology I don’t see it happening for a good while
I'm 30 too and I thought in my lifetime we would see it but now I'm not to sure. Hope there's recarnations of some sort lol then we will be able too 😂 I think maybe there's truth in all religions so maybe that parts right and we will be able to experience life outside this world at a massive level of beauty
By the time you are 70 maybe they will be able to extend life to 200 years and you will see it 😉
What's the point of seeing people going to Mars? It's not like you and me will go there, it's gonna be for the elite to save themselves after destroying earth.
@@pixytorres7117 because it'll be cool?
@@vanessaheslop9838 What made you think we would see it in our lifetime? I’ve been hopeful but I know that technology is distant. I’m 30 as well.
Since it would take thousands of years with current technology to terraform mars, we might as well forget about it for the time being and concentrate on not ending earth.
Can we take a moment to appreciate this miracle that is our Earth tho?!
The 1% don't appreciate Earth, which is why they allow climate change to run rampant and block any and all action towards it.
The people should NOT build any escape space craft for the 1% if it is the last thing we do.
Like really…Tf we need mars for, this is probably how aliens view us “maybe we should blow up that whole planet and start it from scratch so it better suits our environment & way of survival”
Yep. From having the perfect magnetosphere to our perfect atmosphere, to the insane story of chemical evolution that created life in the primordial oceans, we have a crazy lucky history. I wish more people couple understand how absurdly lucky we are to exist.
The explorers becomes the dominant race.
@@TreyMan2tt well we only have 20 years left on this planet dude before we undergo total global devastation
Regarding the idea of terraforming another planet to live on because we've damaged Earth's atmosphere too much. If we have the technology to terraform Mars, surely we also have the technology to terraform Earth. And surely it's easier to terraform Earth to be more Earthlike than to make Mars more Earthlike.
you are right. if we can't make Sahara desert into Sahara forest there is no point on thinking terraforming other planets
@@Zydraxis
That's the dumbest analogy i've ever heard.
Sometimes people are so smart they over think problems that have a simple solution.
We don't have the technology to terraform Earth, that is in the far future. We're already having a tough time removing greenhouse gases from Earth while Mars has hardly any, which is why adding greenhouse gasses to mars instead of earth is actually beneficial in order to make it's atmosphere livable compared to how it is currently. Most of these methods involve laying impacts onto celestial bodies. Most of which could end some amount of lives on earth, and even change our atmosphere and affect animals for the worse.
@@Slayr. but... he has a point
8:05 a few mm. Seriously? That’s like saying if my umbrella was an atoms with from vertical it would not protect against rain.
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magnets are very different from unbrellas haha
You're a legend Mr labs!
Hey! That's just like how, if Earth's perfectly circular orbit was off by just a single inch, we'd all die. Instantly.
Thermonuclear doesn't have near the fallout of a regular fission bomb. Small fission reaction explodes to start a fusion reaction. Way bigger bang for a much less radiation.
Is more fallout the desired?
@@mr.monitor. I think its more the heat from the bomb they're after. Fallout is like chernobyl where it will be radioactive for 10,000 years. Thermonuclear is way bigger bomb with maybe 10-100 years of radioactive fallout. Research the difference between fission bomb and fusion bomb. Excuse the pun but it blew my mind!
Tell that to the irradiated atolls in the Pacific where we conducted early H-bomb tests.
Please give the narrator a contract extension for eternity with infinite money. His voice is calming and soothing. I preferred his voice way more than when they used to have the other guy a few years back. This guy talking makes me want to watch the videos more. Thank you infographics show for providing and informative and entertaining channel.
Low gravity is also a major issue with “living” on Mars. Venus has Earth like gravity, is closer and has a warm protective atmosphere. We could have “floating” stations in the upper atmosphere much easier than messing with Mars.
Elon has made mars hype too high, sad.
@@caesarsalad1170 Sad, but I wouldn't mind with Venus tbh ^^ I like the water, it reminds me being peaceful than messing with Mars, I even feel highly sad if I did live there just because of Elon "plans". I would feel regret for not able to live a simple, beautiful life like alien does on space
Venus has a surface temperature of 500f . That's far from warm.
I'm definitely for the idea of hitting mars with asteroids since we want to farm asteroids...why not hit it with asteroids and farm on mars
Skyblock irl
*you'll only aggravate and annoy the subterranean martian civilization that still dwells there by doing that...probably not the best course of action for the well being on those who still live on earth and keep all our stuff here...just sayin'*
Hm. Well that would require less resources to get the resources there Possibly. Especially if the asteroid has a lot of metal and other materials.
Then we'd need the equipment to mine it, store it, and have some sort of factory to manufacture with it already on the planet. I don't think we can build it from scratch through the asteroids resources, mainly because we'd already need the stuff there to extract it and use it. And any humans on the planet would need to steer clear of the impact zone, if we use robots maybe less so.
Future martians: why are we so in debt to the earthlings?
Earth: do you know how much it cost us to bombard your planet with asteroids?
Will the products made from those factories have 'Made in Mars' written on them?
That's actually a great advertising idea
You know what I think? Imagine in the relatively distant future, say 200 to 275 years from now, we do begin to colonize other planetary bodies in earnest. Mars is a great place for a spaceport, but not as easy to terraform as you might believe. Because the planet has been geologically dead for a few billion years.
Venus, on the other hand? It sounds crazy, but it might be easier to *decrease* the density of an existing atmosphere and gradually change it's composition instead of building one from scratch, using the same methods. Venus isn't geologically dead and has a strong magnetic field, meaning it would still theoretically retain whatever atmosphere was left.
Besides that, by the time we could perfect that terraforming technique, we just might be able to repair the damage we've done to the Earth at that point. Assuming we're still around to see all of this happen. Just food for thought.
I disagree. Humans seem to be really experienced in regards to warming planets up, we could easily do that with Mars.
Exactly, this is something people don’t seem to consider.
My thoughts exactly. Mars is a great place for a jumping off start. Low gravity, etc.
(My comment is a joke btw I agree with this comment don’t take it too seriously)
@@Nonamelol. Except that ignores the lack of a magnetosphere, meaning solar wind strips the atmosphere. Also, as the video notes, there's a severe lack of water to bring the atmospheric pressure up. Once you get a magnetosphere going, you'd need to piledrive icy comets into the place, then a solar mirror to melt it. A better use would be to dismantle it and get a dyson swarm going.
Imagine if all the billionaires spend the same amount of money and effort in saving the planet, we wouldn't need to go to Mars in the first place.
We still might need to go to mars due to over population
@@cheezcurdz2662 yeah but we could keep earth and have the moon too
we cant protect the earth fully either... so ye think about what happened to dinosaurs.
Well except to give the human race a chance to not all be killed at once in the event of a extinction level event. Idk something about dinosaurs and an asteroid
@@cheezcurdz2662 world population is going to be stagnant at about 10b so it really isnt a problem
I remember hearing about this interplanetary swarm idea. Kinda like drone light shows but for planets. And they are solar powered with a way to redirect that energy. Just a concept, but if it had multiple uses, that would be useful. Maybe something easy to fix (as possible) so it can stay in space once deployed, more so than even satélites
Unfortunately this disregards the true unsolvable problem with Mars terraforming:
Without a magnetosphere, Mars' atmosphere will degrade over time. It needs a protective magnetic field to prevent solar winds from destroying it. Don't know how we solve that as Mars has a dead core.
The video actually addressed this, it was as they started talking about a radiation shield to keep mars in its shadow.
The video attempts to address that issue. However I can see Elon musk saying drill to the center of the planet and bomb the heck out of it
Did you even watch the video?
It is possible to create an artificial magnetosphere with a powerful electromagnet at the L1 Lagrange point. Electromagnets powerful enough to do this have already been created.
@@zeroenna8554 cool, a radioactive atmosphere... that's going to solve all the problems.. pffff
I am really scared of what humans are capable of
Friendly fire lil bro
Imagine being scared of how strong your OWN kind is lol.
Problem with mars is its thin atmosphere, we would somehow need to increase its magnetic field. I've seen a paper once that is possible to do this in theory by building a magnetic ring around the planet but I am no scientist, so dunno.
Edit: I also think we should be focusing on Jupiter's moon Europa instead since the presence of water is quite likely and even alien life, but Mars seems to get all the attention, so dunno
Looks like using the mistakes that we did on Earth is incredibly useful for Mars.
One man's junk is another man's treasure.
Or one planet's junk this time.
I’ve been watching a lot of kurzgachet and infographics show and I think I’ve been feeling my brain getting bigger
what about the radiation?
Sounds like a several billion dollar giant Antarctica Chernobyl clone lol
Just make Earth better. Less pollution and use more renewables with fossil fuels. Find a way to dispose of our garbage.
There was a episode of Star Trek Enterprise where they redirected a asteroid made of ice to hit the poles to terraform mars which sounds a lot better than nukes.
Do you mean, a "Comet"
Comets are made of ice... not asteroids
@@bebemax95 What about asteroids ? Is this some form of cosmic prejudice/racism. Why not have asteroids made of ice. I bet there out there but you would prefer to call them comets !
@@noanchompha8665 Asteroids are made of rock, metals and other elements. Some even contain water, astronomers say.
@@_-HaKooNa.MaTaTa- So what. Who cares ! I don't. Asteroids and comets are cellestial bodies and should be treated as sacred and left alone (other than for research purposes.)
One of the main story lines of The Expanse is the terraforming of Mars. The effort is mainly given up after the opening of the ring gates as there are still generations of work to do to complete the project and new habitable planets exist. The books not go into any detail how this is done, but what they learn from this terraforming activity gives the human living on Mars a technological advantage. Again, it is one of those ‘hard to fathom, but suspend your questions’ parts that propel the story but do not provide any roadmaps. Come to think of it: that’s just like most of Musk’s ideas.
Well terraforming a planet over hundrets of years is not that far fetched when spaceships have pretty much infinite fuel and you can travel from the asteroid belt to the inner planets in a couple days.
Well said , reason why legions of people take a lot of Musk’s ideas seriously ( many just aren’t great, quite the opposite) is his business success ( which doesn’t correlate to great ideas , strategies , innovations to push humanity forward).
As a Surviving Mars player, I'm suprised you haven't mentioned a single thing not possible in its terraforming DLC.
Couldn’t we use the sun shield for earth in case a rogue solar storm hits us? We only have short notice when it happens so couldn’t we deploy the shield to help protect civilization?
Maybe, but a sun shield that large could have an effect on Earth's orbit around the sun. Sun shields are currently being tested by NASA as a potential propulsion system.. one big enough might _move_ the Earth.
Taking good care of the Earth is better than waste resources on idiotic ideas for Mars
Earth ofc need to be saved but colonizing other planets is cool. Also Earth is capable of holding like 10 bilion people and being overcrowded so other planets would be helpful for further expansion
It doesn't matter if we save the earth or not. Sooner or later it's gonna be destroyed by natural events anyways which means we need to colonise other planets for our survival. Solving the engineering challenges of Mars would also mean having the engineering skill set to maintain Earth (easier task). We'll just have two planets eventually.
Mars: I'm ready to welcome humans. It'll be tough, but we can make it work.
Humans: *literally fires nukes at it*
Even if they could release its co2 to the atmosphere, it is still futile because mars has very weak magnetosphere which makes mars still prone to solar winds.
Co2 is already in the atmosphere of Mars and that point has already been made. The point though is they have came up with a solution to fix that problem. The next point would be gravity to help mars better hold an atmosphere.
@@lovingbeast5045 you can't though. The core is dead. There is nothing on Earth that can fix it.
@@mervstash3692 True, but the core of a planet doesn't really generate gravity though, it is the mass of the planet as a whole that does that.
While we cannot restart the dynamo again, the solution of magnetic shielding might be able to be attained through the satellite shield that was introduced in the video.
To be honest, I don't know what would happen to the core of the planet if more mass was able to be added to Mars. The action might actually put enough pressure on the core to liquefy around the core to get some kind of dynamo effect started, or it could do absolutely nothing. The thing that is keeping earth's Mantle liquefied is the gravity of the earth putting so much pressure on the iron core of the Earth. That combined with the friction of the Earth's rotation keeps the Mantle in a liquefied state. Take away mass from the earth, you would take away some of that pressure, and thus solidify the Mantle, and voilà you would turn the Earth into another Mars.
Yet, humans seem to ignore this inconvenient fact and focus on being silly.
@@lovingbeast5045 You can't have an atmosphere without a working core. The core generates the magnetic field that protects the atmosphere from all the radiation. If you don't address that first, the rest is irrelevant.
@@mervstash3692 Venus would disagree with your statement. Venus' core does not generate a magnetic field, yet Venus has the densest atmosphere of all the terrestrial planets.
I'm glad you addressed the lack of a magnetic field, but it's no coincidence multicellular life arose after the ozone layer formed here on Earth. We need a means of creating an ozone layer to filter out harmful UV rays on Mars as well. I doubt one shield would be enough, too. Maybe a fusion bomb directly to the core to melt it into functionality?
are you kidding ? you do know how BIG Mar's core is , right ? how many nukes do you think you'll need ? a couple of hundred million ? more ? We simply don't have the tech to do something like pump enough uranium/thorium into the core to kick start enough decay to generate heat to get the core to stratify and get geomagnetism going, you'd need a mine the size of the moon to extract enough radioactive material. No that is not going to work. Even using some thing like that NASA idea is too wild. The best bet, by far, is simply to go underground. By excavating massive internal caverns, and I mean massive, then we could set up entire cities and have total control over the climate inside. That offers superior options that beat any surface city.
You DO KNOW how the Ozone layer forms, right ? High up in the atmosphere where U.V. has higher energy (shorter wavelength and higher intensity) the energy of that U.V is absorbed by oxygen molecule which is enough to break the covalent bond and causes the free oxygen radicle to form another bond with molecular oxygen forming ozone...
@@psycronizer but it's Mars's gravity alone capable of creating that layer and maintaining it?
@@psycronizer I was thinking more along the line of fusion bombs.
@@nitzan3782 yeah I know...still you're talking hundreds of billions of bombs, I don't think you get how BIG that core is. Look at it like this, the biggest nuke ever , Tsar Bomba, wouldn't even vaporize Hawaiian Islands, now go have a look at google Earth at how small that main Island is, pan out and think about how small that is compared to even a Tenth of Earth's core...lol, it's like atoms to oranges lol...it really is...
Jeff Bezos is right when he said that living on top of mount everest would be like a tropical paradise compared to living on mars lol
Crazy idea, but what if we took care of earth first. I understand the desire to become a multi-planetary species but we should really master the basic care of one planet before we go doubling down on a 2nd planet that is frequently 250 million miles away.
If we continue living like we do today, the Earth will need terraforming well before we have the prerequisite technology to change landscapes and climates to something else other than radioactive rubble.
The best way to a solve complex problem is to state with full confidence the 'correct' answer. Which will in turn motivate countless others who may actually be capable of finding the real answer, to prove them wrong. I think this might apply. Take caution disregarding intuitive people for the sake of intelligent people. Sometimes you simply need to point people in the right direction to make a change in the world.
I don’t think Elon purposefully promotes a dumb idea just so smarter people can tell him why he’s wrong. Especially when he has the bigger microphone in media. This seems like a lot of excuse to just not admit Elon is wrong and either doesn’t know enough to know he’s wrong, or refused to admit so
You call Musk "intuitive" ? He's just a spoiled rich brat who buys up successful companies and then bankrupt them. The only reason SpaceX is still going is because of taxpayers money.
Elon was actually joking and said, nuking Mars was the "fast" way to teraform.
He didn't say it was the best way...
It's a dumb joke then, because nuking doesn't terraform a thing, not the fast or the slow way.
“Its just a joke bruh” keep telling yourselves that elon worshipers
Elon never said he was joking, why you insinuate he was???
I'm no scientific genius but water is made out of hydrogen and oxygen. If there's both hydrogen and oxygen on Mars, the technology has to be exist to combine these gases into water. Maybe this process would be insufficient to completely terraform Mars but it would convenient to make bubble life possible. And I have no idea whether there's hydrogen or oxygen on Mars, or in what quantities. And I have no clue about the side effects of depleting Mars' atmosphere of these gases. I'm just sayin'.
Neuclear winter would be short lived on Mars brcause of no magnetic field blocking solar winds. It would take a very short time to (blow) the dust particlesfrom Mars atmosphere. Also, how are these greenhouse gasses going to stay on Mars since there is no magnetic field? Just curious
he said at 6:56
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They dont
Thank you for calling out Elon NOT being any sort of scientist.
No. Hes just a manufacturing expert unlike any other. Best guy to have around at any type of manufacturing facility.
He is literally a Rocket Scientist...
@@coloradoawesomesauce5124 rocket engineer would be the more fitting term
@@kamcat2901 can you do anything that hes done or designed?
Does it matter the man is doing stuff people have never done and plus he's still 50x smarter than you regardless
Don't need a scientist to tell me that going to Mars is a bad idea
We need to focus on the moon first, it just makes more sense, if we can get a station on the moon, mine it, launching space ships will be less expensive
True
That's already the plan.
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@@Christobanistan what if this plan fail ( whole humanity should cry )
I think the Aliens told us not to come back....
Leave it to us humans for the first idea to involve nuclear weapons. Some things apparently will never change.
Thankfully there are still rational people out there
I say we terraform venus, because it already has an atmosphere.
And many other pluses,
Gravity: 8.87 m/s2 ✅
In edge of habitable zone ✅
Thick atmosphere ✅
All we would need to do is send some asteroids it’s way to make it’s tilt more like earths and give it a 24 hour day cycle.
And since we terraforming which is advanced technology, that would mean we could bring mercury into the orbit venus. And done!
If venus doesn’t work then we could just terraform earth before anything bad happens to it.
Yeah knowing human history conflicts would be inevitable even on Mars
He's an entrepreneur who spends his own money while the government spends your money
forgetting that 5 billion in government subsidies?
considering SpaceX is already making deals with NASA I expect he's going to start getting your money for his "epic scientist moments" too
@@user-304jgojnegilrnw that, and tons in all "his" companies
@@user-304jgojnegilrnw ya. both space x and tesla received billons as incentives.
(Tax Payers Money).
@@user-304jgojnegilrnw meh, the American people got stimulus money. No problem.
“You can’t just shoot a hole into the surface of Mars” - Dr. Samuel, Doom Eternal
Mars had its atmosphere blown away, it's water was blown into space, and it's magnetic field vanished because of our star. The giant valley on Mars was created by it's lowest magnetic field line was supercharged, and a plasma burst ripped into the crust.
Also the atmosphere is too thin, and the gravity is much less than earth, so human habitation right there is pretty much impossible.
Sure, but that took a billion years. Restoring an atmosphere for a few thousand years is certainly doable.
@@10191927 The atmosphere can be thickened. Gravity can be increased artificially or we may find we can survive with some modifications to lifestyle, such as visiting a spinning artificial gravity device an hour or two a day.
I'll never understand why some people have so little imagination.
I live in Karachi Pakistan and I follow your website
@@Christobanistan I live in Karachi Pakistan and I follow your website
After climbing out of the gravity well of Earth, why would we climb back down into another one?
Our resources would best be expended on building space habitats, unless there is some sort of useful resource down there.
the issue with that is the need for reliable artificial gravity and a LOT of radiation shielding would be needed before we can survive long term in space.
Our bodies don't exactly do great in space.
@@endless3cho Sure they do. Where do you think we are right now?
@@tetsatou2815 on a planet that's in space. Ask the astronauts how we'll our bodies do in space? It takes about a year to rehab yourself back to "normal" because the body has to re-adapt to gravity. Until we figure out a way to counter weightlessness we're gonna see a body that can only live in space.
@@Memento_Mori_Morals a large rotating O'Neill cylinder is a space gives you "gravity"
Surprised fallout wasnt addressed in the nuke idea
It was - they said it would take an unknown period of time for the planet to be non-radioactive enough to live on.
another big issue with the whole nuking thing is that it would require a country to deplete some of its nuclear stockpile. which could lead to possible wars or conflicts.
Or a way to disarming nations of nukes.
U r wrong u can make nuke whenever u want u just need pure uranium. And for mars world have to get together for permission
Great video. Some recent videos have been a little sketchy on details but you did a great job on this one. You hit every point I would have stuck in this comment 😄
Nuking mars for terraforming is like Finding a difficult way to cheat on an exam than actually studying
I think I liked it better when Elon was just making Teslas😭 this plan is very risky and my question is why should we do this?? We can't mess with other planets we should just leave it be
I have to admit, in the end you're right. 🙁 😐
I see a possible solution to 2 problems, if we can find a way of trapping and storing the excess green house gasses we have here on earth and then transport all that extra greenhouse gasses to Mars and release them there, we would be able to lower Temps here on earth and raise climate temperatures on Mars and be able to start the process of terraforming mars.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq yes, I do. That's the whole point of this video. There are no life forms on Mars. We humans would NOT be committing any genocide by doing this, since again, there us no life on Mars. This a POSSIBLE solution I see about helping our planet and terraforming another planet so we humans can live on Mars, since our planet is getting overpopulated and resources here are being used up, and I also wish that people here on earth would be more responsible and stop overpopulating our planet and would more responsible with our resources and help our fellow man but unfortunately too many just don't want to.
That seems a bit impractical
@@Tribrid-zv3nq Colonizing Mars is kinda the whole point of the video. I don’t think we really get what you’re going for here.
Nuking it won't sustain a terraforming, unless it stack more matter granted resources , see...The true reason why Mars at this moment isn't habital, is the fact, being far more fraction of the Earth mass, a smaller mass, equals a smaller core, equals a smaller exolt of lava, to spew the right amount of elements, listed on a modern chemistry chart from Earth to surface, which equals right now, a less jolt of geomagnetic power for solar protection.
So to make Mars naturally habital, you need to stack MASS on the planet, for example, pile some of the astro belt debrees on Mars ( more like put it back). Until near equal to Earth mass size.
Then make a large object like Phobos or Ganymede, to substitute as solar green house radiation, like a local version of the Earth Sun.
Nuking will actually decay it more, hitting the ice only erupts more resource to surface, but cannot sustain for long, going back to its usual.
@@Tribrid-zv3nq as I said previously I wish we could go ahead and be doing the responsible things for our planet and humanity but the people in power in our country and all over the globe seem to not wanna do that, and I alone can't do it by myself, many of us are vocal about this, we protest peacefully, we try to elect better leaders in government, but the rich and elites in power have made things near impossible to change, just look at our current political problems in this country and how hard it is to prosecute politicians who led an insurrection.
The thing is I don’t remember you once saying about the radiation it will spread from the Nukes leaving it another 300years before you can even land on mars let alone inhabit it
My non peer reviewed idea was to send out a nuclear powered space fleet to the Ort cloud to select icy bodies and to push them in to strategically strike Mars in such a way as to not drastically change its orbit. But generating an artificial magnetic field is genius.
Oort cloud is FAR though. Like, really far. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but...
In fact it may be more practical to retrieve the icy objects from Andromeda
Saturn’s rings are mostly water and 1000 times closer than the Oort Cloud. I love the idea of bombarding the surface of mars with massive hunks of ice.
Im all for making bases on mars and the moon but going about it the way we are is concerning. If we didnt constantly do war and worked together we could do all this stuff so much easier and do it far better.
We work together pretty well within the West. We haven't had an internal war for almost a century.
90% of the people who matter are working together.
Also the 88% of earth who want to stay aren’t just going to drop everything to come help us play space man. Thus, making it hard to get governments involved.
Yo mars getting hit with a combo 😂
Rather Elon is right or not, he's a intelligent man taking action. He's actually going to get us through to the end with getting to space. Instead of twiddling our thumbs making expensive space movies with fingers up our noses we should be in Mars helping Elon Musk who's doing something that means well.
Infact many sci fi movies are more expensive than the space ships to the moon.
It’s good to take action. But you actually have to be right in order to effectively complete the action. You need to be accurate or it’s going to be disastrous. We are barely even protecting this planet moving to Mars by nuking it is very high risk…especially the cancer causing effects and radiation’s nukes cause and destroys the system of a planet we don’t even completely have knowledge about. Doing experiments of what works and what doesn’t would be more effective than full on nuking it.
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"When in doubt, drop a bomb."
It’s weird like we live in a perfectly designed atmosphere suited just for us.
It's the other way around, we are evolved/designed to be suited to the atmosphere 🙂
The greenhouse gas plan has another problem, even if we somehow built up enough CO2 on Mars (realistically this would involve transporting C02 from somewhere else, Venus is an option I guess) CO2 is toxic to humans. A better, cheaper plan that we could actually do in this century if we really wanted to warm Mars up, would be to put a bunch of very large mirrors (essentially Mylar sheets that are hundreds of kilometers across) in high orbit to reflect more sunlight onto the planet's surface. Having a magneto sheath is also a good idea , as like the video said it would allow Mars to build up at least some atmosphere over time but more importantly it would help protect humans from solar particle radiation (though cosmic radiation will still be a problem). A magnito sheath to protect Mars wouldn't even need much power (relatively speaking), roughly as much as a couple modern nuclear reactors can generate.
Won't something else take root if we decide to temper with Mars? We may just restart life on Mars that isn't Earth related🤷🏾♀️
@@felixphoshoko1542 Possibly, if there is still (assuming there ever was) life deep beneath the surface or under the ice caps. I think that would be pretty cool:)
@@zachcrawford5 that and there's a theory that life on Earth my have been carried by asteroids. So the idea of using asteroids to "help" with the terraforming process may bring new life. Plus there are life forms that do survive the harsh environment of space. Lol kinda reminds me of that movie called evolution.
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@@felixphoshoko1542 I live in Karachi Pakistan I like your idea
Better idea: planetary shields for Sol III, fixing Sol III's problems first and build a Dyson sphere. Then we can think about terraforming and have the power to do it
The only reason the idea became crazy was because he said it. The idea was already in circulation
what about the Martians?
Musk is an extremely rich person who acts like a drunk Frat House "Bro" - and his wealth means people forget that wealth doesn't make him a polymath.
No one wants to address the Big Question - gravity. How do you have a colony where you have growing humans (pregnancy, babies, etc.) in a small percentage of Earth's gravity? Until that happens, no permanent colony can be established.
So the goal is to warm a planet well nuclear power plants seems like a much more effecient plan. As far as oxygen goes it's worth pointing out that you can't get oxygen without CO2 there, sequestration of CO2 would make Mars even colder. Seems like we could manage earth problems to create a much warmer Mars although living there would be limited. Yes, I stayed at a Motel 6 last night.
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Why? At least go to Best Western
@@A_Ducky I bit too high brow
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Every Motel 6 where I'm at is a complete drug den, with police visiting nightly (but doing not much to stop it permanently).
Best Western is maybe a $20 over the M6 price but you get so much more, and no tweakers tweaking in the middle of the night.
I guess it all depends where you are, and especially if you're driving & staying wherever convenient.
P.S. figures, I didn't mention.. I'm in Northern California, but from the Balkans originally. Soz for bad grammUr
@@A_Ducky lol, it was a joke to begin with vs Holiday Inn Express commercials or whatever
I like how you start off the episode with an argument from authority.
I read this somewhere I don't remember.. "If we can terraform Mars, we can save our earth too"
So the biggest issue seems to be the lack of magnetic field, right? Is there ways to simulate this?
Nvm watched through the 7 min mark lol
well the whole idea of nuking the planet would be the stimulate the planets inner gore and make it molten again and then maybe starting up the core again.
@@soulsreaper7145 - Nuking the planet wouldn’t come close to accomplishing this
Restart the core which is fusion like on earth ours is dying also because they don’t know the real actual age of anything. Ever see total recall the Arnold version . The core creates the magnetic shield . You have water there anyway and you could live in underground malls as fancy as you want very easy to do with a manageable energy source . Nukes are a travesty of mankind . May we take God with us 😢
@@soulsreaper7145 numbing the planet to try and kickstart the core is like doing surgery with a flame thrower.
Maybe you could nuke the old core itself and maybe that would work. But biking the surface. No way.
To colonize Mars we need to colonize the moon first. Its already proven that it is way more easyer to travel from to Mars via the moon than from Earht.
Yeah, that's the current plan. But there's no hard need to fully colonize the Moon, it would just make Mars easier if we had refueling set up there.
Totally agree. I’ve never understood the idea of wanting to jump straight to Mars without establishing a base or even a spaceport on the Moon first.
Colonizing mars I want it to happen
That shield is as implausible as nuking u know how much material u need to make a planet shade
I got this idea. It might sound crazy but hear me out. Why not put all the investments and energy taking care of the Earth?
While I dislike Elon (and most of what he says) he did 2 years of a PhD in physics. In the very beginning you’re discrediting him to an absurd degree. It hurts your argument.
Appeal to accomplishment/authority is not a good start to your argument. Especially when the person has proven they have a high level of understanding in the topic via finishing their research years.
Seriously, Elong interacts with people with advanced degrees on a daily basis, and ones who are tippy tops in their fields. Just because he once threw out an interesting possibility on a talk show doesn't make it "his plan," much less something he'll ever actually endorse.
The asteroid method would work better if they slam as many as possible to Mars, direct a sizeable chunk of the asteroid belt into Mars and it'll improve the mass of the planet (to improve it's ability to maintain it's atmosphere), along with directing necessary gasses and liquids
Honestly we should stop discussing life in space or another planet and start focusing on our current planet. Earth is a beautiful blessing that we need to fight to protect. Mars is not ours, Earth is. If we cannot even take care of the planet we were born on, we don’t deserve another
That's moronic. The money needed to get to Mars is a drop compared to the trillions we've spent, on welfare programs. Our civilization is capable of doing two things at once.
I agree
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The thing is I really don’t think we deserve Mars when we are the cause of the destruction of Earth. Colonizing Mars is a complicated task that would take a very long time to figure out. Time we won’t even have if we don’t fix climate change. In my opinion climate change should be our top priority right now. The issue I have with the “let’s just move to Mars” mentality is that for some they see it as an option to replace fighting climate change. Some view it as a way to save us without having to save the planet. Without the worry of climate change people aren’t worried about doing small things in their lives that help the Earth out in the long run. Another issue is that the Mars thing is selfish. We are saving ourselves from the issue we caused instead on focusing our attention and money on saving all life on our planet. The creatures that are dying because of our doing deserves to be saved. There are many other ethical and environmental issues I have with the Mars thing, but I hope you have a better understanding of my opinion based upon what I have shared here. I respect your opinion though
Does NOT matter either way.
Don't allow the 1% to escape to Mars when planet Earth becomes largely uninhabitable.
Let the likes of Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos etc... suffer here with the rest of us.
Get off the drugs
What is actually sad is we push solar, wind, electric vehicles. Yet if actually look at the collection of materials, manufacturing,energy storage, life cycle, and recycling of those products . We will be worse off environmentally. Nuclear power is a better option for the power grid unfortunately.
Dorks: It cannot be done!
Elon: Hold my Musk.
“Disclaimer: Elon isn’t a scientist. I’m heavily implying that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and that you shouldn’t take him seriously.”
Disclaimer to the disclaimer: Elon owns a space company and is surrounded by scientists who advise him. He knows what he’s talking about.
If Biden made a statement about something science or medical related, would anyone make a disclaimer about him not being a scientist? No, ridiculous.
Anything Elon says has more credibility than whatever this channel says.
Just shows that InfoGraphics is jumping on the bandwagon of bashing Elon... I always thought this channel leaned one way, now it's for sure....
I’ve noticed this channel leaning more left also. He bashes Elon, but why didn’t he show his qualifications before giving his opinion? Pretty sure Elon is smarter than a guy making UA-cam videos!
But this particular idea is plain goofy. I doubt Elon listened to any scientists in shooting off the hip.
scientifically speaking elon is wrong, the person might lie but maths and statistics won't. Just because Elon is a smart guy doesn't mean he is always right. If elon says to you that we should join cults for saving earth, would you blindly follow him just because he is a smart person (not referencing anything, just showing an extrapolated analogy)
@@abinanthanva289 The fallacies you point out are valid. I never defended Elon’s idea. I’m simply trashing that absurd disclaimer.
I'm confident his work was peer reviewed. In this case his peer was some guy at Starbucks.
Please make a video on "What if Mercury crashes into Venus or vice-versa"?
Even if he was serious about the nukes, the vid implies that he’s come to this decision without consulting with industry experts. Everyone knows Elon doesn’t operate this way.
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It depends if Elon was using Twitter at the time he said it. That platform seems to bring out the 'talk before you think' feature of Elons brain
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@@jefflangdon3540 What's that got to do with anything? Are you a published best selling author? No? Then stop writing drivel and posting it
I hope people know you don't need a peer reviewed study published to know what you're taking about. If you need evidence I can point you to mountains worth of peer reviewed studies and papers published that were factually wrong. This type of "Appeal to authority" is a fallacy.
Yeah but it's better than vaguely suggesting something can be done with no facts or scientific evidence.
The problem with terraforming anything at all, is that the scope is near incomprehensible.
Meaning, that even if you can figure out how it is supposed to be done, thats a far cry from actually managing it.
We are talking planetary levels of modification to get the VERY specific set of circumstances required to support human life.
I doubt we will have the technology to do this any time soon, if we can even do it at all.
Having a terrible idea? Gee I wonder why they'd think that...
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What about the release of huge amounts of radioactive materials by the nukes? Many of the isotopes dispersed over whole Mars (see contamination after nuclear tests in 1960s) have half lives longer than tausends years. The use nuclear explosions on the scale needed to sufficently change atmosphere/climate of Mars, would be not "terraforming", but rather "chelnobyloforming" of the planet.
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There is another huge problem that i never hear iy mentioned and that is how do you how do you release green house gases and have them get trapped in the planets atmosphere when there is no atmosphere to trap them its a catch 22 releasing green house gases on mars would just float of into space. You need an atmosphere to create an atmosphere
I first saw this plan on National Geographic
Mars be like: Fck where did I go wrong?
All you need is Optimus Prime and Thanos to have a sit down , those two know how to rebuild planets
Mars has a huge mass problem, it’s small enough where its outer core cools down, solidifies and stops spinning so much faster than ours does/will here on earth. This is important because the outer core spinning generates a magnetosphere which provides protection against solar radiation and things of that nature. Without the magnetosphere the atmosphere gets stripped away and (makes) mars inhabitable.
You spent the first two minutes discrediting Musk and tearing down his idea as taking “decades or longer”. Then you proceeded to talk about other ways to warm the planet that might take centuries? Who is writing for you these days?
“We haven’t found life on mars yet. Might as well make sure we keep it that way” 🤣
imagine aliens just chilling on mars and then boom...
There's also the problem of poor soil nutrition. On earth, our soil is why we can so easily grow edible plants. There is no efficient way to convert the red rocks of Mars into suitable soil. Everything would have to be grown hydroponically. Also, H2O in large quantities is required. My suggestion for terraforming is to guide and crash sizable comets into its surface. Perhaps 10 mile-wide comets could be slammed into this around the planet which would vaporize on impact. Later, we could set up stations to melt this ice not unlike permafrost found in our poles on Earth.