For me, the biggest issue with man city is that a lot of the charges are non compliance with the PL whereas Everton have complied and have been hammered
have everton really been punished if the deuction was the past 2 season when the problem occured yes they would have gone down but this season they are in a bigger and better situation of surviving with so many poor teams in the PL this season
I don't think that's true. If the PL can get Man City they'll absolutely throw the book at them. It's going to have cost them a decade and tens of millions of pounds, they won't want to do this again.
You can't have an amnesty if you've already punished someone. Also, as a Spurs fan, Levy gets a lot of abuse for not spending more on players, and it's always "Why didn't we sign another player?", but I know for a fact that we don't have these issues, but we'd be punished if other clubs get away with FFP breaches. If you knowingly break rules that you agree to, then you should be punished.
True. Only said Yids just need a few creative players and a coach/manager who can give them an edge and purpose similar to Eddie Howe and who else better than the Mad Aussie Genius Ange….
No amnesty, rules are rules, corruption has to be punished in the strongest possible way, especially since Everton have been hit very hard for 1 charge.
if i vote against a law does it not apply to me? by virtue of being in the league and being able to profit from it they implicitly accept all the league's rules@@mechominecraft
Why reward cheating ??? Easy because there's a lot of OIL money involved and a lot of people have really deep pockets !! Don't believe me.. Then why is it taking 4-5 years for City to go to court !!
Good clip 👍 My team, Luton got a 30 point deduction in 2008/09. Nobody gave a toss because we are a small club - underlined when you didn't even mention them when you were reeling off examples. It will be poetic justice if we stay in the PL because some of the big fish get hooked. The "super six" should be all down in the conference after their Euro League stunt anyway!
I don't want the 'Super Six' in the Conference (presumably the National League) because that will likely mean that my team, Southend Utd, will take years to get back into the Football League.
It's already down to 6 charges and the premier leagues key witness is sat in a jail cell 🤣City are getting cleared then the Premier League will get sued
The thing is that Chelsea themselves reported the irregularities in the books and have cooperated fully with the premier league, whereas man city have tried to cover it up and have dragged the process out.
That should count for something, but cheating is cheating. Im a chelsea fan but objectively if rules are in place then non compliance should always be punished. All I hope is that the relative punishments for non compliant clubs make sense and proportional.
The only sympathy I have is for the clubs that have abided by the rules and have had their success stolen by clubs that have cheated, especially for smaller clubs that have been relegated.... fans have to accept it
I'm a Liverpool fan but do not want aus given a dirty title that had to be vacated not even when we lost by a point but I agree that no titles should be awarded for those years in question just a ruddy great Asterix
Yea, we lost the league ourselves unfortunately, me personally I do not want the trophies that we didn’t win anyway, just leave a * next to everything they won.
The premiership should be ashamed of how long it is taking to prosecute Manchester city and chelsea. They have no respect for football. Just get on with it.
If my club Arsenal have done dodgy dealings then they deserve to be punished But if they have I’m sure it would have been the top story so that tells me we’re probably ok Everyone with a brain knew Abramovich was corrupt and anyone with a brain cell knows City are and have been cheating
The thing i don't get is every single person is mentioning Chelsea in the same bracket as City? City currently have 115 charges against them,Chelsea have 0 let's not forget that hey.
@@panchopuskas1charges mean there's evidence of discrepancies in their business processes. It's up to city to prove their innocence by showing the correct paperwork. So far they have been uncooperative and obstructive. They wouldn't if they were innocent.
@@panchopuskas1Lives can be runed by charges or allegations even if found not guilty, it's more about public perception than actual evidence. If City are deemed innocent at the end of all this every football fan outside of Man City will hate them more than they already do.
I dunno. Mark says manU and Liverpool benefit from a huge fanbase. How do you grow a fanbase? Not by winning and playing well. In the richest league in the world, don't you need to spend money to win and play well. Ffp in it's current guise is BS. Why not salary caps and transfer caps? What are they really trying to pull?
it has been pay to win always. The traditional 'big six' will stay there because they have the most revenue. There is no way for smaller teams to ever dream of winning the league. So as @drep9028 said, there should be salary caps and transfer caps for much more even playing field.
Financial limits is an illusion the way it is set up now. Big clubs will always spend big compared to the smaller clubs. Nothing changes. For proper parity to exist football needs to adopt the American model of salary caps and a drafting system.
Amnesty? As an Everton fan, all I can say is: get stuffed. We already took our hits, y'all can now take yours. City should be opening away to Mansfield Town next season. Amnesty?!? The f***in' audacity.
Why is no one talking about Man City players withdrawing from International games? I am sure they are gonna be fit before their match against Liverpool.
Find it hilarious that Leicester are planning to sue Everton over breaching FFP when they themselves breached FFP to get into the EPL in the first place.
The Rangers situation was different up here, they were never punished by the FA for financial cheating. They liquidated and formed a new club, they wanted to re enter the premiership and the clubs voted to send them to the bottom. Its a very common misconception that they were relegated for cheating, they weren't.
Well it was cheating... they didnt do what they did to not get an advantage to win the league and do better in Europe..... Anyway doesnt matter, they were replaced by a tribute team called 'The Rangers...... life goes on
Not really. Everyone was having very poor seasons and Leicester were just there to take advantage. When your only competition is Spurs, you’re all good even with Harry Maguire in your team.
You can’t say Everton fans will suffer because of the points deduction when they gained last season by not getting relegated because they could spend more on players.
The "overspend" was on interest payments for the stadium. We've been lowest spenders on players for the last 3 seasons - all of which was agreed and signed off by the PL. There is no sporting advantage. It's a myth.
After what happened with City vs UEFA, it is highly unlikely that any serious decision would be taken against them. Plus it won't diminish what they've achieved. They've won everything and should they get a points deduction, it would be a slap on the wrist given the run of form they are able to pull off, over the course of a season.
Relegation to these clubs would be pointless if the PL is serious about teaching them a lesson (they’re not) they take away the titles they won on the year of the guilty charge/s and those trophies become voided
The titles they've stopped other clubs from glorying in and benefiting from financially. The clubs that were relegated when they shouldn't have been, the clubs that have lost out on European places, league and FA cups. All the clubs that have worked their asses off for years to stay up in the top flight, improve their position in their relative tables, to win trophies and titles. It's an absolute disgusting disgrace. These financial doping clubs should never see the light of football ever again. So, amnesty shmamnesty. Get them out of football for good. The untold damage they've done to other clubs is unrepairable and unforgivable.
Lets go back into history and look into all the times Liverpool and United broke rules and won titles because of it. Kick them out of football too? Or no?
They better sort out Chelsea and city properly for their charges and not just some stupid fine it's hard enough to compete as it is without playing outside the rules
Liverpool are that fella from that video where he's just sat with his headphones in, eating his scran while a load of pissheads are scrapping in the kebab shop around him
Oh come off it. No sympathy for the fans at all. They wanna have their cake and eat it too. They want rich private investment, but none of the risks that come with it.
I feel that the punishment for Everton has been given to them with the Premier League knowing that Everton will be able to avoid relegation. Doesn’t really feel like a punishment. As you say, the fans are the ones that suffer. I wouldn’t be surprised if Man City & Chelsea get away with a relatively soft punishment. I bet there are a few chairmen with squeaky bums at the moment though.
Everyone assumes that Everton stays up even after points deduction, don’t be so sure. Remember those crappy bottom 3 teams - only needs 1 of them to have a good patch, and for Everton to go back to very early season form and Everton could easily finish 18th.
I will not be surprised if Leicester are sewing Everton because Leicester they relegated and Leicester one last game in the Premier League and then ever were lucky to win the last game just stay up I won’t supposed to be there so for that because they cheated but I will agree, Man City and Chelsea should get relegated and the day you broke the rules in the league, but I’ll pay punishment
@@dannjp75spot on more of a double punishment. Far from safe like most people think December going to be brutal & we are only 1 or to injuries from being in the 💩💩
I like how he used Chelsea as an example of fans that suffer due to owners making mistakes because he just couldn't bring him self to say something positive about City
The difference with Chelsea is they sanctioned Abramovich & forced a sale. The new owners of Chelsea flagged this up & opened all the books to everyone. If they do punish Chelsea which they will, I imagine a lot of clubs will get investigated for similar things.
We have won the champions league tho so that argument is stupid, as man city charges are pre 2018 so anything they won other seasons isn't even considered you idiot!!!!
it'll be ironic if they get relegated and they win the champions league... they basically saved english football in the competition last season after the EPL and effectively all its members tried to shaft city. nothing but jealousy
The levy has been breached. With state owned clubs, any breaches of fair play suddenly become international relations issues. The league has misunderstood its position in the world and has let in the very thing that will bring down the premiere league
Absolutely. The league got greedy and shortsighted and didn’t realize that people would notice and care about the blatant corruption. I expect nothing but more cover-ups for City though, the amount of money behind them is too much and the league is far too spineless to do anything.
yeah I think they know that, Man City will be ejected because of this, they will try to start their super league. The only thing that will save football is if other clubs down want to be associated with City and a Super League, but that's very wishful thinking
Cheats should be punished, ten points not enough. As for Chelsea and Man City if found guilty they should be relegated from the football league completely 🤬😡👍!!!!!!
Wigan, Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portmouth all suffered but now its the big clubs suffering now its a problem, this has been going on years but people just looked the other way.
@mikem8211 money spent on players that didn't fit a system or style of play, all those signings was for 1 thing only shirt sales to line the glazers pockets more
If Manchester city had not spent so much money in the primiership they would have to been the other end of table chealsea have done the same they both need to be carefull
It's madness. Where do you stop with this? Better to have a blanket amnesty and start again......and sack the entire Premier League management team while you're at it.....
Probably not. The punishment is exacted at the point of being found guilty, not when it was committed. Like Everton though, it would open them up to compensation claims from other clubs for any lost revenue they incurred as a result. That's hard to prove though, so legislation would be messy and protracted.
0:58 Unless they strike all of Chelsea's and Manchester City's honours, medals and trophies from the records, I don't think they'll mind getting relegated to the National League after winning it all. Put it this way, let's say you're a Luton fan, would you take all of Chelsea's trophies, knowing you'll get relegated to the National League by the end of it but get to keep the trophies and the infrastructure? Relegation to the National League is the bare minimum, and it's not even a big deal, Rangers in Scotland had to start over after going bankrupt, and the Scottish League resumed business as usual once they were back as though nothing had happened, like "it was all just a bad dream" akin to Dallas.
Do we actually think that Chelsea and Man City are the only other clubs that have done something dodgy? I'm not an Everton fan but it does seem very harsh and even feel that Everton have been picked on unfairly for some reason.
To be fair, Chelsea self-reported the infringements. The new ownership are the ones who showed these irregularities to the governing bodies because they saw irregularities in the previous ownership. Don't think they would get too big of a punishment, outside of a big fine.
Imagine this: there's a big question mark hovering over whether Chelsea and Mancity are connected in a way that could cause trouble because of their business ties. It's like trying to figure out if someone's paying money where they shouldn't. When you're the owner of a club, doing any business with others can look suspicious, almost like a secret payment, even if it's just regular business costs. It's all about trying to understand if money's going where it shouldn't in the world of sports clubs.
We blame the teams. But it’s the governing bodies that regulate that turn the other cheek for money. City won their trophies playing football and good football (not a City fan here) so blaming the teams more than the regulators doesn’t seen right.
Take away all titles and trophies. I have no sympathy with the fans who delighted in lording it over everyone else when they knew they were cheating. Relegate them down three leagues and impose a transfer ban and watch how many fans Chelsea and City still have left after that.
One relegation isn't nearly enough for City. Even if just a quarter of their charges actually stick, they still have done far, far worse than Everton and Chelsea can even imagine. They not only did they barely cooperate, they also tried covering it up and dragged out the process. If they're found guilty on a handful of charges, you already need to look at multiple relegations, multi-year transfer bans, multi-year exclusion from cup tournaments.
What's funny is that City being relegated won't make any one else's club play any better 😕. I dunno since when football fans are so concerned about finances and accounts.
@@drep9028 Youre completely daft if you dont see the correlation. If City are found guilty, than that means that they got to their position of power via cheating and fraudulent bookkeeping. This means that if the process had been fair, they wouldn't have won nearly as much as they did, if anything at all, which in turn means clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United were robbed of more trophies. Goldbridge says it perfectly in this very video. Newcastle have the richest owners in the world, if there arent rules about finances and accounts than they can just buy every player in the world and no one, not even City or PSG, would be able to do a damn thing about it.
IMO Everton is the scapegoat that gives them the leverage to punish city. They dont want to give city a reason to wriggle out of it and this strengthens the premier leagues case.
If English football is be considered a sport. Then they need to send Man City down to the Conference North. Its not a sport if there are teams breaking 115 rules and laws of the game.
Championship can refuse them entrance as it'll take a spot from a league one club who would be there from promotion...they can only dream of championship
It is not and never will be the fans fault fans of no matter what team they support will follow them no matter what so why blame them players are not at fault either its the board and up over to blame
@@williamneailey6756You're just wrong. The owner of Chelsea was Abramovich, a disgusting man linked to a disgusting regime in Russia. The same goes for City's owner and the horrible regime they're linked to. Neither of the fan bases were once concerned about the people running their clubs, they've loved it. They fans deserve what's coming to them.
does anyone really truly think that City is going to be held accountable for any of their FFP violations? Everton got slapped because they have no leverage.
As a city fan for sixty yrs I've seen it all so being relegated to what ever division doesn't bother me i will still be there every game cheering them on come on citeh😊
Then you're a true fan of City and football, I have nothing against any team really as I love the sport so if you're found not guilty things should stay the same if you are you should be punished accordingly. I myself am a second generation and life long United fan.
Chelsea and City fans new from the start that their new owners came with risks. They both accepted them to get the wins. Newcastle did exactly the same… the fans all just accepted it for the growth and wins.
If I understand Financial Fair Play, it essentially involves, "How much you can spend is a function of how much you take in." That does discriminate against smaller clubs, and works as a major factor in keeping the "haves" at the top of the heap. If, on the other hand, there was a "spending cap" (similar to the salary caps in some American professional sports), then investors could come into smaller clubs and increase their spending to the cap, giving them more of a chance to catch up. The big names already have the advantage of their name being more of a draw for top talent. The bigger clubs also being able to spend more just makes that worse. Good luck making that happen, though. The big clubs know very well that FFP gives them an advantage and will have no interest in giving that up.
A cap would put the EPL at a disadvantage as they may not be able to attract as many world class players, and so it may fall from its generally accepted position as the best league in the world.
@@bazalinco Given how much more the EPL spends compared to the other top 5, there's room for a cap that would still leave them top of the pack. American sports created caps because there was too much dominance by certain teams, leading to stagnation and uninteresting league competition. How much fun is the EPL when MC wins every year?
@@theonceandfuturething3999 i'm no city fan but man city aren't a great team because of money, they're a great team because their transfer policy and recruitment is second to none. They know when to offload a player and they know how to make money from graduates if they aren't quite good enough. Not to mention they've got arguably the best tactician and coach since Fergie.
Chelsea should get punished way less since their wrongful doings were from a previous owner, while Man City's wrongdoings( 115 btw) still came from their current owners. Also, Chelsea's new owners admitted to something while City has covered it up.
I wonder if football should follow in the footsteps of the NFL (and I'm sure other US sports) where they have an annual salary cap for the franchise. So, if they want to sign one of the best players in the league on big wages, they have to trade/cut either a lot of players on lower wages or one of their own big earners. This stops franchises with more resources hoarding all the best players. It keeps the league fresh. Only because Brady was goated did the Patriots dominate the league for so long.
So Rangers were not relegated, they were liquidated. A New entity was created called " the Rangers " who then applied to join the Scottish league system, it was put to a vote and the clubs within the Scottish top leagues voted to have them join at the lowest possible point, League 2. So not technically relegation, but there is always loopholes
We are all aware that every top tier football club is effectively a business, if a business like Apple get caught doing something wrong then they get financially punished, why should it be any different for a football business. The punishment should be 1 point deduction for each charge proven.
If this gonna happen, assuming it will (I doubt), this will be like what happened in Serie 2004-2006 where Italian clubs where either relegated (Juventus) or deduction (Milan, Fiorentina, etc.). Big difference is one about the FFP, the other is referee match fixing.
also its fine to have point deduction at this point in the season but imagine it was like last 10-5 games title race with City and Chelsea creeping up and its like ahh point deduction also like you said relegated clubs or someone who has this happen to be relegated will dig up dirt on other teams and sue premier league
with regards to an amnesty I'd rather all clubs got punished fairly because we all know no ones going to be on the same scale as city and it would even itself out
The obvious solution to FFP wouldn’t be a popular one - a salary cap like in the NFL/NBA. It’ll never happen, but it WOULD help curb wage issues and the huge gaps between clubs. The problem here would be what to do with the promotion/relegation issue… but it is an interesting thought. Perhaps more of a max cap at each level?
salary cap would be great, less outgoings for big clubs so they could then adjust the rights payments to give top clubs less and filter it all down to lower league clubs to enhance the lower leagues. Everything would prosper from youth development, staduims, the international team, everything.
Mark, this runs a lot deeper than is currently being reflected in the press. It would be naïve to think that monies paid to agents and intermediaries through offshore accounts is merely and inducement to get a player to sign for a specific club. Included in those payments are hidden wages to players and managers that do not make it into the 'official' FFP accounts for those clubs. Do you ever question how clubs like Man City and Chelsea managed to attract top class talent like David Silva, Aguerro, De Bruyne, Drogba, Ballack etc. and keep their wage bills down compared to the likes of Madrid, Barca, United and Arsenal? Did they really have such a deep desire to play for these clubs that were relatively unknown and had no track record of success? How is it possible for Man City to have a squad of such depth of quality that allows them to dominate the league year after year and yet be mid table for wages paid? It makes no sense at all. Just look at the amount of Arsenal players that jumped ship for Man City once the Abu Dhabi owners came in. Arsenal have always been one of the highest payers of player wages just like United (which explains why both clubs struggle to move players on). Why would they go to a less renowned club like Man City for less wages? This is corruption of the highest order and there are further implications of this beyond football that should be considered. Those monies that were paid indirectly to some players and managers should have been subject to taxation by the Inland Revenue and by not declaring those earnings both the clubs and the players/managers have committed criminal offences. Watch this space! These FFP offences, if proven, are way off the scale compared to Everton and should be punished in a similar way to Rangers in Scotland, i.e. demotion to the National League and serious thought has to be given to rescinding any titles won through these corrupt practices. As for the impact on the fans of these clubs, I have two thoughts. If you thought that the sudden rise to prominence was through sheer hard work and determination then you're only deluding yourselves, and what about the fans of those other clubs who missed out on successes like titles, European qualification, cup runs etc? What about the missed opportunities they have suffered at the hands of financially doped clubs?
Explains in many situations when a player was linked to United all summer then at the last minute, they sign for Chelsea. Pedro, Hazard, Jon Obi Mikhel, robben, to name a few.
For me, the biggest issue with man city is that a lot of the charges are non compliance with the PL whereas Everton have complied and have been hammered
Exactly, pleading guilty usually gets you a lighter punishment than pleading not guilty.
@@joebarnes100 illegally hacked emails don’t weigh up as legitimate evidence in court
Snitches get stitches 😂. Watch Chelsea and City walk almost unscathed with only fines at most.
Because they were guilty you`re only assuming Manchester City are guilty. One is fact the other isn`t.
law of precedent would be nice to have here, if one got hammered, others should get at least the same
You can’t have an amnesty if you’ve already punished Everton. The amnesty ship has sailed.
😂 guess we'll see in 2055 maybe. If this year goes by without anything.
have everton really been punished if the deuction was the past 2 season when the problem occured yes they would have gone down but this season they are in a bigger and better situation of surviving with so many poor teams in the PL this season
Everton going to appeal PL decision and most likely it will be less points deducted.
Non native speaker here thanks for the word of the day 😮😮
They are not getting anything, we know how this works...
Man City 🤝 💰 🤝 Premier League
@@O7FTBLthe same they did with UEFA
😂😂😂this is the ultimate cope 🫡 karmas here
I don't think that's true. If the PL can get Man City they'll absolutely throw the book at them. It's going to have cost them a decade and tens of millions of pounds, they won't want to do this again.
@jordanmassey1860
Except UEFA literally charged them and it went to court......
You can't have an amnesty if you've already punished someone. Also, as a Spurs fan, Levy gets a lot of abuse for not spending more on players, and it's always "Why didn't we sign another player?", but I know for a fact that we don't have these issues, but we'd be punished if other clubs get away with FFP breaches. If you knowingly break rules that you agree to, then you should be punished.
True. Only said Yids just need a few creative players and a coach/manager who can give them an edge and purpose similar to Eddie Howe and who else better than the Mad Aussie Genius Ange….
No amnesty, rules are rules, corruption has to be punished in the strongest possible way, especially since Everton have been hit very hard for 1 charge.
No Amnesty, they've all signed up to the rules. Why reward cheating?
@@GreenHarpFinancial all city fans are like you it does not matter they should be relegated
actually city voted against the implementation of the rules
if i vote against a law does it not apply to me? by virtue of being in the league and being able to profit from it they implicitly accept all the league's rules@@mechominecraft
Why reward cheating ???
Easy because there's a lot of OIL money involved and a lot of people have really deep pockets !!
Don't believe me..
Then why is it taking 4-5 years for City to go to court !!
That's called capitalism.
Amnesty would be the single worst decision. The moment that happens, all sporting integrity is gone, and the sport might as well be fixed
dont care who wants to see bristol city in the prem with chelsea out?
@@gr3saeyendMe
It is fixed. 😂😂
people with integrity@@gr3saeyend
@@gr3saeyend Me. I'd rather teams following the rules play in the prem, pretty simple really.
The punishment if proven should be as severe as what Rangers suffered many years ago by being put into the third division.
I have no sympathy for City fans. They sorted this Everton situation very quick compared to city.
@Swan94y Nothing to do with the fact Everton have co operated and City are trying to their best to hide all evidence of cheating?
@@DaveMufcHarry88city also will have better lawyers which make it even more difficult to prove it all
@Bot-ld3rk both are owned by billionaires. They each have top notch legal representation.
@@DaveMufcHarry88or they haven’t cheated…innocent until proven guilty in England mate
Good clip 👍 My team, Luton got a 30 point deduction in 2008/09. Nobody gave a toss because we are a small club - underlined when you didn't even mention them when you were reeling off examples. It will be poetic justice if we stay in the PL because some of the big fish get hooked. The "super six" should be all down in the conference after their Euro League stunt anyway!
I don't want the 'Super Six' in the Conference (presumably the National League) because that will likely mean that my team, Southend Utd, will take years to get back into the Football League.
@@colindant3410 all the good players would leave
What a joke , a relegation warning is nothing and pathetic compared to what Everton have received...
Out of the 115 charges it is very absurd if it is found that all of them are dismissed and it is unfair for Everton alone to be punished
It's already down to 6 charges and the premier leagues key witness is sat in a jail cell 🤣City are getting cleared then the Premier League will get sued
Everton agreed to cheating. City are still claiming innocence.
@@NordicMeatShieldAll of those decisions are correct
@@NordicMeatShield wait actually ??
@@shantanu9003 I haven't seen anything offical that all but 6 are dropped yet so lets not take the word of someone who has CTID in their bio
The thing is that Chelsea themselves reported the irregularities in the books and have cooperated fully with the premier league, whereas man city have tried to cover it up and have dragged the process out.
Or is it because they have no evidence outside hacked emails???
That should count for something, but cheating is cheating. Im a chelsea fan but objectively if rules are in place then non compliance should always be punished. All I hope is that the relative punishments for non compliant clubs make sense and proportional.
But man city have also passed those stuffed manila envelopes to the fa officials
Yes the 'oh just you wait and we'll prove it all as clear as day!' ...9 months later and still a deafening silence...
@@dewiwilliams4821 chelsea v plymouth will be a great game next season pal
The only sympathy I have is for the clubs that have abided by the rules and have had their success stolen by clubs that have cheated, especially for smaller clubs that have been relegated.... fans have to accept it
often those clubs also bottled it like Arsenal and Liverpool. So the titles should just be vacated, since second place doesn't win anything.
I'm a Liverpool fan but do not want aus given a dirty title that had to be vacated not even when we lost by a point but I agree that no titles should be awarded for those years in question just a ruddy great Asterix
@@rolex.23and Arsenal last year
Yea, we lost the league ourselves unfortunately, me personally I do not want the trophies that we didn’t win anyway, just leave a * next to everything they won.
Liverpool and Man Utd losing combined like 6 premier leagues to Man City
The premiership should be ashamed of how long it is taking to prosecute Manchester city and chelsea. They have no respect for football. Just get on with it.
With 100+ FFP Charges, realistically City should be relagated to 3rd or 4th tier football
And take the trophies from them
@@sarahpagett9191they should play in uae leagues
If my club Arsenal have done dodgy dealings then they deserve to be punished
But if they have I’m sure it would have been the top story so that tells me we’re probably ok
Everyone with a brain knew Abramovich was corrupt and anyone with a brain cell knows City are and have been cheating
@@sarahpagett9191 not a fan then haha
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The thing i don't get is every single person is mentioning Chelsea in the same bracket as City? City currently have 115 charges against them,Chelsea have 0 let's not forget that hey.
- charges....doesn't mean they're guilty.....or doesn't that matter any more ?
Still doesn't look good for loophole fc
@@panchopuskas1charges mean there's evidence of discrepancies in their business processes. It's up to city to prove their innocence by showing the correct paperwork. So far they have been uncooperative and obstructive. They wouldn't if they were innocent.
@@panchopuskas1Lives can be runed by charges or allegations even if found not guilty, it's more about public perception than actual evidence. If City are deemed innocent at the end of all this every football fan outside of Man City will hate them more than they already do.
@@SimBir08 I don't hate them. I quite like them doing well because it pisses off all the entitled United fans and the Mousers too.
One relegation is not enough, they need points deduction and a transfer ban for 3 years
I support this
They go down to the Championship they'll be back up in a year
National League North is where they belong with the mighty Scunthorpe and South Shields
@@devvy_01they should go straigjt to league 2, not championship
even with a transfers ban/points deduction and or relegation they would be back upto the prem in quicker then they got relegated,
Financial limits have to be there because if you remove them it becomes even more ”pay to win” than it is now
I dunno. Mark says manU and Liverpool benefit from a huge fanbase. How do you grow a fanbase? Not by winning and playing well. In the richest league in the world, don't you need to spend money to win and play well. Ffp in it's current guise is BS. Why not salary caps and transfer caps? What are they really trying to pull?
it has been pay to win always. The traditional 'big six' will stay there because they have the most revenue. There is no way for smaller teams to ever dream of winning the league. So as @drep9028 said, there should be salary caps and transfer caps for much more even playing field.
Everything is pay to win
@@Dakshinkarthik-DKLeicester city? Blackburn rovers?
Financial limits is an illusion the way it is set up now. Big clubs will always spend big compared to the smaller clubs. Nothing changes. For proper parity to exist football needs to adopt the American model of salary caps and a drafting system.
As a Liverpool fan I have literally zero fear of this.
With cheap owners like FSG...the books better be balanced. Hahaha
@@johanld2826 and the cabinet gotta be filled heheh
@@johanld2826... There not cheap owners ... they have spent plenty but in a responsible way
bahaha as a spurs fan u know we are cool
Lewy x John W. Henry
competing which one is the stinkest owner in big six
Amnesty? As an Everton fan, all I can say is: get stuffed. We already took our hits, y'all can now take yours. City should be opening away to Mansfield Town next season. Amnesty?!? The f***in' audacity.
No way they could do an amnesty because any clubs that have done nothing wrong won’t accept it
yep. this. forget amnesty. not happening.
Why is no one talking about Man City players withdrawing from International games?
I am sure they are gonna be fit before their match against Liverpool.
Nobody likes to talk about that small club
@@SpliffProductionsbut yet again you’re talking about city lol make your mind up
Fergie used to do it with his players and always got away with it.
@@SpliffProductionsCity are far bigger than United bar the PL and UCL trophies
Theyre scared 😂😅
Lovely work yesterday mark,these past year have been negative for multiple things for me but you raised a smile on my face yesterday
Find it hilarious that Leicester are planning to sue Everton over breaching FFP when they themselves breached FFP to get into the EPL in the first place.
The Rangers situation was different up here, they were never punished by the FA for financial cheating. They liquidated and formed a new club, they wanted to re enter the premiership and the clubs voted to send them to the bottom. Its a very common misconception that they were relegated for cheating, they weren't.
Well it was cheating... they didnt do what they did to not get an advantage to win the league and do better in Europe..... Anyway doesnt matter, they were replaced by a tribute team called 'The Rangers...... life goes on
if city don't get any punishment it is unfair on everton who are talked about afterwards
it’s unfair on the integrity of the game, not just Everton.
Absolutely
you can't make exceptions for players/teams no matter how popular they are
this goes for any sport, not just football.
They've ruined the Premier League for more than a decade hopefully they'll be in the same league as Scunthorpe soon
why would city get punishment? Have any of the charges been PROVEN yet?
Ur right
Just shows how big Leicester city winning the league was
Flukes happen
Who also breached ffp rules
@@bakedkoala9827 38 fluky games
@@nathanmitchell5217 not in that season
Not really. Everyone was having very poor seasons and Leicester were just there to take advantage. When your only competition is Spurs, you’re all good even with Harry Maguire in your team.
You can’t say Everton fans will suffer because of the points deduction when they gained last season by not getting relegated because they could spend more on players.
Spot on
Nonsense, they've been in the bottom 3 spenders for the last 3 seasons.
The "overspend" was on interest payments for the stadium. We've been lowest spenders on players for the last 3 seasons - all of which was agreed and signed off by the PL. There is no sporting advantage. It's a myth.
Sorry mate as a everton support we don't gain a sporting average it said that in the report so it ad nothing with want we did on the pitch
0 sporting advantage in this situation, you're clueless.
After what happened with City vs UEFA, it is highly unlikely that any serious decision would be taken against them. Plus it won't diminish what they've achieved. They've won everything and should they get a points deduction, it would be a slap on the wrist given the run of form they are able to pull off, over the course of a season.
It does diminish their record , it's called cheating. Arsene Wenger called it financial doping. He is right , and its cheating..
And Arsenal did not have any financial doping? Are you sure...@@johnnicol64
They will use Everton to set an example and then clear the plate so man City and Chelsea get away with it
I really hope not. EPL will lose many fans if that's the case.
Relegation to these clubs would be pointless if the PL is serious about teaching them a lesson (they’re not) they take away the titles they won on the year of the guilty charge/s and those trophies become voided
Agreed
U do they would be forced to sell ther playees due to there wages in lower leauges
The titles they've stopped other clubs from glorying in and benefiting from financially. The clubs that were relegated when they shouldn't have been, the clubs that have lost out on European places, league and FA cups. All the clubs that have worked their asses off for years to stay up in the top flight, improve their position in their relative tables, to win trophies and titles. It's an absolute disgusting disgrace. These financial doping clubs should never see the light of football ever again. So, amnesty shmamnesty. Get them out of football for good. The untold damage they've done to other clubs is unrepairable and unforgivable.
Lets go back into history and look into all the times Liverpool and United broke rules and won titles because of it.
Kick them out of football too? Or no?
@@CristanioPeweyyy If they broke the rules then YES, absolutely.
@@Jahson70 Then kick them out now. Massive match fixing happened between United and Liverpool, United got a slap on the wrist. Liverpool got nothing.
@@CristanioPeweyyyYou sound like a solution looking for a problem. I agree with you mate.
Tbh a league without City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool would be really fun
It feels like Everton have been locked up for stealing a loaf of bread meanwhile over at City the bodies keep piling up in the backyard.
calling for amnesty is like doing a massacre then wanting a cease-fire.
Cracking reference that
They better sort out Chelsea and city properly for their charges and not just some stupid fine it's hard enough to compete as it is without playing outside the rules
Me as a Liverpool fan chilling inthe corner as FSG will never give us FFP problems😂
😂😂 I was thinking the same thing, we are good sitting with🍿🤓
Liverpool are that fella from that video where he's just sat with his headphones in, eating his scran while a load of pissheads are scrapping in the kebab shop around him
We could of won three titles. Recon we could sue city if they are found guilty.
That's an interesting angle.
@@ronniegranek944Not Cities fault you bottled the league.
The truth is, it's always regular people who suffer when wealth and powerful people misbehave
That’s the way of the world, if people didn’t realise it before, they better start comprehending this fact now.
It's a way of life bud, look at the MPs all with their noses in the trough.
Oh come off it. No sympathy for the fans at all. They wanna have their cake and eat it too. They want rich private investment, but none of the risks that come with it.
@@nichobeehow would you know what’s happening in the boardroom. ?
I feel that the punishment for Everton has been given to them with the Premier League knowing that Everton will be able to avoid relegation. Doesn’t really feel like a punishment. As you say, the fans are the ones that suffer. I wouldn’t be surprised if Man City & Chelsea get away with a relatively soft punishment.
I bet there are a few chairmen with squeaky bums at the moment though.
Everyone assumes that Everton stays up even after points deduction, don’t be so sure. Remember those crappy bottom 3 teams - only needs 1 of them to have a good patch, and for Everton to go back to very early season form and Everton could easily finish 18th.
I will not be surprised if Leicester are sewing Everton because Leicester they relegated and Leicester one last game in the Premier League and then ever were lucky to win the last game just stay up I won’t supposed to be there so for that because they cheated but I will agree, Man City and Chelsea should get relegated and the day you broke the rules in the league, but I’ll pay punishment
If you had done the maths on it you'd see that Everton are far from safe. You;re clearly not an Everton fan if you think this isnt really punishment.
The lower they come in the league the less prize money they receive
@@dannjp75spot on more of a double punishment. Far from safe like most people think December going to be brutal & we are only 1 or to injuries from being in the 💩💩
I like how he used Chelsea as an example of fans that suffer due to owners making mistakes because he just couldn't bring him self to say something positive about City
The difference with Chelsea is they sanctioned Abramovich & forced a sale. The new owners of Chelsea flagged this up & opened all the books to everyone.
If they do punish Chelsea which they will, I imagine a lot of clubs will get investigated for similar things.
I dont see how they get punished outside of a hefty fine. The new owners identified past issues.
It would be poetic justice if City was relegated and didn't win the Championship league.
they'll be winning the championship instead
National League North champions
Down under play with Wrexham 😂
We have won the champions league tho so that argument is stupid, as man city charges are pre 2018 so anything they won other seasons isn't even considered you idiot!!!!
it'll be ironic if they get relegated and they win the champions league... they basically saved english football in the competition last season after the EPL and effectively all its members tried to shaft city. nothing but jealousy
The levy has been breached. With state owned clubs, any breaches of fair play suddenly become international relations issues. The league has misunderstood its position in the world and has let in the very thing that will bring down the premiere league
Absolutely. The league got greedy and shortsighted and didn’t realize that people would notice and care about the blatant corruption. I expect nothing but more cover-ups for City though, the amount of money behind them is too much and the league is far too spineless to do anything.
yeah I think they know that, Man City will be ejected because of this, they will try to start their super league. The only thing that will save football is if other clubs down want to be associated with City and a Super League, but that's very wishful thinking
If teams are found to have won trophies whilst cheating the runners-up should get the trophies.
no
Cheats should be punished, ten points not enough. As for Chelsea and Man City if found guilty they should be relegated from the football league completely 🤬😡👍!!!!!!
Wigan, Derby, Bolton, Reading and Portmouth all suffered but now its the big clubs suffering now its a problem, this has been going on years but people just looked the other way.
At least we know for a fact The Glazers haven't been paying anyone off. They wouldn't find 20p for Utd
"Would you like some more dividends Joel? Yes, would you like some too Avram? Most certainly." Simple as that
You're the biggest spenders of the last decade 😂
@mikem8211 money spent on players that didn't fit a system or style of play, all those signings was for 1 thing only shirt sales to line the glazers pockets more
@seanhayden6024 OK so you admit my comment was correct thanks 😊
@mikem8211 lmao all legit income, so a pointless comment
This is why Newcastle are moving the way they’re massive credit to them as a United fan
Man City have to get points deducted or it's not fair on Everton
City should be Punished more due to the 115 charges
Do you think should it be plentier points to be deducted than everton since it's 115 charges while everton only one?
Not only Everton but it will be unfair to whole football community.
😂 all the low life’s trying to diminish city’s achievements, what weird creatures you all are. 🏆🏆🏆
@@TyMarshall007 yeah hopefully they go down a few leagues
If Manchester city had not spent so much money in the primiership they would have to been the other end of table chealsea have done the same they both need to be carefull
NO AMNESTY . NO NO NO . If you are caught rulebreaking then you should face the consequences , no matter who you are .
If they get found guilty does that mean both clubs lose all trophies associated with them during the times that they broke the rules?
THATS A BLOODY GOOD POINT, SHOULD BE SHOULDN’T IT.
This is what I want to know. This is better than the movies.... grab your popcorn fellas.
It's madness. Where do you stop with this? Better to have a blanket amnesty and start again......and sack the entire Premier League management team while you're at it.....
Probably not. The punishment is exacted at the point of being found guilty, not when it was committed. Like Everton though, it would open them up to compensation claims from other clubs for any lost revenue they incurred as a result. That's hard to prove though, so legislation would be messy and protracted.
If not, all the rival fans will know, media will know, everyone will know that they are fake.
This has me thinking if this happened to united and we dropped to league 2, would the Glazers final go?😂
If that’s what it’ll take.. bring it on 😂 but glazers don’t even pay a single penny to even get these offences
I'd have us play in the 7th tier if it means these leeches get to leave.
man city should be relegated to non league or like national legue 5 , relegation to championship is nothing, not enough
Tbf that's where there club and fans belong oh wait they don't have any fans nevermind
They'll be playing in the 12th Division in the Gibraltan U9s
if they get relegated, i guarantee u they will be no one in emptyhad at all lol @@O7FTBL
@@O7FTBLall their Indian fans will start supporting united over night
@@O7FTBLdon't need fans when u have all the trophies
0:58 Unless they strike all of Chelsea's and Manchester City's honours, medals and trophies from the records, I don't think they'll mind getting relegated to the National League after winning it all.
Put it this way, let's say you're a Luton fan, would you take all of Chelsea's trophies, knowing you'll get relegated to the National League by the end of it but get to keep the trophies and the infrastructure?
Relegation to the National League is the bare minimum, and it's not even a big deal, Rangers in Scotland had to start over after going bankrupt, and the Scottish League resumed business as usual once they were back as though nothing had happened, like "it was all just a bad dream" akin to Dallas.
Man City era is tarnished , love it .
Mark... how would providing an amnesty for clubs to admit wrongdoing be fair on those already being/been punished?
Do we actually think that Chelsea and Man City are the only other clubs that have done something dodgy? I'm not an Everton fan but it does seem very harsh and even feel that Everton have been picked on unfairly for some reason.
To be fair,
Chelsea self-reported the infringements. The new ownership are the ones who showed these irregularities to the governing bodies because they saw irregularities in the previous ownership. Don't think they would get too big of a punishment, outside of a big fine.
Maybe. Does seem naive though.
Just maybe they got tipped off and guided that turning themselves in would be less severe then getting nailed.
@@tomgolab3958 They don't need tipped off to know that is usually the case.
Self-snitching never leads to anything good. It will come back to bite 'em in the behind.
Imagine this: there's a big question mark hovering over whether Chelsea and Mancity are connected in a way that could cause trouble because of their business ties. It's like trying to figure out if someone's paying money where they shouldn't. When you're the owner of a club, doing any business with others can look suspicious, almost like a secret payment, even if it's just regular business costs. It's all about trying to understand if money's going where it shouldn't in the world of sports clubs.
Its been at times so frustrating with fsg and their careful spending but with all this coming around now its actually been a blessing
City have 115 charges , chelsea have "allegations" big differences.
The charges are still allegations
@@naijalog2127 they have been confirmed , and for years , while chelsea's have just come up and it's not even proved yet , just "leaks"
Mark I think we all need to understand that all these teams that you're talking about have different charges so the punishment can't be the same.
The fact that pep guardiola brother is partial owner of Girona with the city group sounds a lot like what Chelsea have been doing
From a Manchester City fan if you take down financial fairplay doesn't do you better but it could do you better.
We blame the teams. But it’s the governing bodies that regulate that turn the other cheek for money. City won their trophies playing football and good football (not a City fan here) so blaming the teams more than the regulators doesn’t seen right.
Yes the fans suffer after the clubs are caught but look how they have benefitted before that.
Take away all titles and trophies. I have no sympathy with the fans who delighted in lording it over everyone else when they knew they were cheating. Relegate them down three leagues and impose a transfer ban and watch how many fans Chelsea and City still have left after that.
Hopefully that does happen, if it does, they will no longer be ubiquitous in this world.
One relegation isn't nearly enough for City. Even if just a quarter of their charges actually stick, they still have done far, far worse than Everton and Chelsea can even imagine. They not only did they barely cooperate, they also tried covering it up and dragged out the process. If they're found guilty on a handful of charges, you already need to look at multiple relegations, multi-year transfer bans, multi-year exclusion from cup tournaments.
The period 2018 to 2021 is still under investigation, if charges are filed for that period too , then good bye city
What's funny is that City being relegated won't make any one else's club play any better 😕. I dunno since when football fans are so concerned about finances and accounts.
@@drep9028 since now there do apparently
@@zarif1932 apparently so 🙄
@@drep9028 Youre completely daft if you dont see the correlation. If City are found guilty, than that means that they got to their position of power via cheating and fraudulent bookkeeping. This means that if the process had been fair, they wouldn't have won nearly as much as they did, if anything at all, which in turn means clubs like Arsenal, Liverpool and Man United were robbed of more trophies.
Goldbridge says it perfectly in this very video. Newcastle have the richest owners in the world, if there arent rules about finances and accounts than they can just buy every player in the world and no one, not even City or PSG, would be able to do a damn thing about it.
IMO Everton is the scapegoat that gives them the leverage to punish city. They dont want to give city a reason to wriggle out of it and this strengthens the premier leagues case.
If English football is be considered a sport. Then they need to send Man City down to the Conference North. Its not a sport if there are teams breaking 115 rules and laws of the game.
If a team cheated to win and got into Europe how much money did the team that didn't qualify for champs league lose
BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT, BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE POINTS OFF, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT ONLY THE FIRST SEASON THEY CHEATED WOULD COUNT.
@@michaelsullivan1631 and all subsequent seasons if it is a repeat offence
Championship will be lit next season
The promotion from Chelsea and City will be biblical.
The real blues under wazza will come out on top over those plastic clubs
TBH City has a history with the 2nd Division 😅😅😅😅
Where Nofanschester City belong
Championship can refuse them entrance as it'll take a spot from a league one club who would be there from promotion...they can only dream of championship
Not enough, send them into non league
The fans were happy to celebrate the trophy's they won while cheating so they should unfortunately have to deal with the consequences too
It is not and never will be the fans fault fans of no matter what team they support will follow them no matter what so why blame them players are not at fault either its the board and up over to blame
@@williamneailey6756You're just wrong. The owner of Chelsea was Abramovich, a disgusting man linked to a disgusting regime in Russia. The same goes for City's owner and the horrible regime they're linked to. Neither of the fan bases were once concerned about the people running their clubs, they've loved it. They fans deserve what's coming to them.
The worst thing about Evertons breach is that it did not gain them a sporting advantage. The punishment is excessive and does not match the crime
Well ...supporters of relegated Leicester may argue different to that conclusion.
@@mikedowns9461 they can argue all they like but the charges relate to stadium costs
@@mikedowns9461Leicester fans broke FFP rules ro get back into the EFL am I right???
does anyone really truly think that City is going to be held accountable for any of their FFP violations? Everton got slapped because they have no leverage.
City already have the fanbase for a national league team. They´ll adapt just fine.
Funny how they got huge crowds when they were in the 3rd tier. Real fans too, not a bunch of plastics like Utd.
30.000 in the third tier. Fact.
@@Genekellystand Fact.
What fans? Bunch of glory hunters 🖕
At this point Mark just comes across that he wants City and Chelsea relegated solely because that improves the chances of United to win again lol
Dude if Liverpool, city, arsenal, spurs, villa and Newcastle got point deducted or relegation utd still arent winning the league anytime soon😂
@@owenwadders3689They would at least win something.
@@CristanioPeweyyy what would that be?
@@owenwadders3689 A couple of trophies. You know Yanited love paying off certain refs lol.
@@CristanioPeweyyy yeah maybe when fergie had the reigns but not now! They wont finish better than 7th this season and wont win a thing!
As a city fan for sixty yrs I've seen it all so being relegated to what ever division doesn't bother me i will still be there every game cheering them on come on citeh😊
Then you're a true fan of City and football, I have nothing against any team really as I love the sport so if you're found not guilty things should stay the same if you are you should be punished accordingly. I myself am a second generation and life long United fan.
CTID💙
Difference between Everton and MC/Chelsea is two of those teams make everyone else lots of money too.
City and Chelsea will now go straight to the European super league where they can spend what they want and the fans will follow
Chelsea and City fans new from the start that their new owners came with risks.
They both accepted them to get the wins.
Newcastle did exactly the same… the fans all just accepted it for the growth and wins.
It’ll catch up with them, maybe not in this life however.
If I understand Financial Fair Play, it essentially involves, "How much you can spend is a function of how much you take in." That does discriminate against smaller clubs, and works as a major factor in keeping the "haves" at the top of the heap. If, on the other hand, there was a "spending cap" (similar to the salary caps in some American professional sports), then investors could come into smaller clubs and increase their spending to the cap, giving them more of a chance to catch up. The big names already have the advantage of their name being more of a draw for top talent. The bigger clubs also being able to spend more just makes that worse. Good luck making that happen, though. The big clubs know very well that FFP gives them an advantage and will have no interest in giving that up.
A cap would put the EPL at a disadvantage as they may not be able to attract as many world class players, and so it may fall from its generally accepted position as the best league in the world.
@@bazalincoI’d rather the league be fair and fun than the “best league in the world”
@@bazalinco Given how much more the EPL spends compared to the other top 5, there's room for a cap that would still leave them top of the pack. American sports created caps because there was too much dominance by certain teams, leading to stagnation and uninteresting league competition. How much fun is the EPL when MC wins every year?
FFP is a salary cap, it's just spread across transfers too...
@@theonceandfuturething3999 i'm no city fan but man city aren't a great team because of money, they're a great team because their transfer policy and recruitment is second to none. They know when to offload a player and they know how to make money from graduates if they aren't quite good enough. Not to mention they've got arguably the best tactician and coach since Fergie.
Chelsea should get punished way less since their wrongful doings were from a previous owner, while Man City's wrongdoings( 115 btw) still came from their current owners. Also, Chelsea's new owners admitted to something while City has covered it up.
That owner didn’t do it all on his own
Admitting to something doesn’t make you innocent
OK let's remove all trophies won when he was the owner and call it quits!
@@agamemnon730 Well the new owners literally are innocent aren't they.
@@agamemnon730 I mean, the charges are during Roman's era so, the new owner is innocent
bruh , you can still watch and support your team as a fan , whether they are relegated to the second or third division , football is football
A top 6 club in this league will never get punished. A so called lesser team will always take the bullet.
Makes sense, I remember Tottenham was on the verge of signing William but Chelsea managed to hi jack the deal 😂
I remember Mourinio smirking about it... obviously there were bribes involved.
As if you would need to bribe someone to join Chelsea over Tottenham.
I wonder if football should follow in the footsteps of the NFL (and I'm sure other US sports) where they have an annual salary cap for the franchise. So, if they want to sign one of the best players in the league on big wages, they have to trade/cut either a lot of players on lower wages or one of their own big earners. This stops franchises with more resources hoarding all the best players. It keeps the league fresh. Only because Brady was goated did the Patriots dominate the league for so long.
Surely, if Rangers were sent to the lowest division, so should City and Chelsea
So Rangers were not relegated, they were liquidated. A New entity was created called " the Rangers " who then applied to join the Scottish league system, it was put to a vote and the clubs within the Scottish top leagues voted to have them join at the lowest possible point, League 2.
So not technically relegation, but there is always loopholes
We are all aware that every top tier football club is effectively a business, if a business like Apple get caught doing something wrong then they get financially punished, why should it be any different for a football business. The punishment should be 1 point deduction for each charge proven.
plus titles and cups taken away.
The punishment should not be point deductions .it should be a charitable fine of the offending amount to local charities
If this gonna happen, assuming it will (I doubt), this will be like what happened in Serie 2004-2006 where Italian clubs where either relegated (Juventus) or deduction (Milan, Fiorentina, etc.). Big difference is one about the FFP, the other is referee match fixing.
Serie A has some incredibly dodgy officiating going on there still, always makes me question
also its fine to have point deduction at this point in the season but imagine it was like last 10-5 games title race with City and Chelsea creeping up and its like ahh point deduction also like you said relegated clubs or someone who has this happen to be relegated will dig up dirt on other teams and sue premier league
The problem is that Man City's punishment cannot be financial as the owners are worth a Trillion, it has to be something that would have some effect.
Cooking the books.
with regards to an amnesty I'd rather all clubs got punished fairly because we all know no ones going to be on the same scale as city and it would even itself out
what bothers me the most is this ,secret accounts ,false reporting on what is payed for player s ,and much more
The obvious solution to FFP wouldn’t be a popular one - a salary cap like in the NFL/NBA. It’ll never happen, but it WOULD help curb wage issues and the huge gaps between clubs. The problem here would be what to do with the promotion/relegation issue… but it is an interesting thought. Perhaps more of a max cap at each level?
salary cap would be great, less outgoings for big clubs so they could then adjust the rights payments to give top clubs less and filter it all down to lower league clubs to enhance the lower leagues. Everything would prosper from youth development, staduims, the international team, everything.
If City do get relegated/found guility would their titles or trophies be considered as tainted for those specific season's?
Why don't you wait till they are found guilty 😂
They will be found guilty when your dad comes back with the milk
Mark, this runs a lot deeper than is currently being reflected in the press. It would be naïve to think that monies paid to agents and intermediaries through offshore accounts is merely and inducement to get a player to sign for a specific club. Included in those payments are hidden wages to players and managers that do not make it into the 'official' FFP accounts for those clubs. Do you ever question how clubs like Man City and Chelsea managed to attract top class talent like David Silva, Aguerro, De Bruyne, Drogba, Ballack etc. and keep their wage bills down compared to the likes of Madrid, Barca, United and Arsenal? Did they really have such a deep desire to play for these clubs that were relatively unknown and had no track record of success? How is it possible for Man City to have a squad of such depth of quality that allows them to dominate the league year after year and yet be mid table for wages paid? It makes no sense at all. Just look at the amount of Arsenal players that jumped ship for Man City once the Abu Dhabi owners came in. Arsenal have always been one of the highest payers of player wages just like United (which explains why both clubs struggle to move players on). Why would they go to a less renowned club like Man City for less wages?
This is corruption of the highest order and there are further implications of this beyond football that should be considered. Those monies that were paid indirectly to some players and managers should have been subject to taxation by the Inland Revenue and by not declaring those earnings both the clubs and the players/managers have committed criminal offences. Watch this space!
These FFP offences, if proven, are way off the scale compared to Everton and should be punished in a similar way to Rangers in Scotland, i.e. demotion to the National League and serious thought has to be given to rescinding any titles won through these corrupt practices.
As for the impact on the fans of these clubs, I have two thoughts. If you thought that the sudden rise to prominence was through sheer hard work and determination then you're only deluding yourselves, and what about the fans of those other clubs who missed out on successes like titles, European qualification, cup runs etc? What about the missed opportunities they have suffered at the hands of financially doped clubs?
Explains in many situations when a player was linked to United all summer then at the last minute, they sign for Chelsea. Pedro, Hazard, Jon Obi Mikhel, robben, to name a few.
Some good points mate
As Sean Connery aka James Bond said in Goldfinger, “Cheats Never Prosper!”
Epl will definitely go down if man city and chelsea are relagated ,imagine the only performing two teams in europe being thrown to mud
This is exactly why City won’t get punished
Why would the FA want to eliminate 2 of their 3 best performing teams in Europe?