Should The Archbishop of York Resign?
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2024
- There are now strong calls for the Stephen Cottrell the Archbishop of York to resign over his handling of a safeguarding case, especially as he is soon to take over looking after the Church of England when Justin Welby the Archbishop of Canterbury stands down early next year.
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Now 24,519 signed the petition for Cotrell's resignation
Cleanse Your church Lord 🙏🏻
If it were a lowly parish priest having done something similar they wouldnt even be afforded the dignity of resignation.
Looks like the CofE needs a clean out. If Welby had to go, so should Cottrell. If not, those who had the power to remove the dodgy priest should resign or be sacked.
Surely, if any cleric cannot go near children, or any other group, he or she should be removed from office on the grounds of capability alone.
Hidiing behind technicalities as an excuse not to resign is arrogant and un acceptable. The CofE should not be allowed to police itself and protect criminal clergy.
In the word's of Cromwell: "For God's sake go!"
There are a number of bishops should go.
The track record of many of the C of E Bishops is less than inspiring and includes all three of the senior Bishops in England. Even the outspoken Bishop of Newcastle has some safe guarding issues of her own. 'Go woke go broke' has never been truer.
Cottrel could have removed his licence in a heartbeat. Then Tudor may have brought a legal challenge. But vulnerable people would have been guarded during that time, and publicity would have protected them further. Also Cotterl could have issued a public statement of fact regarding Tudor. Cotterl did nothing because he lacked genuine care for the vulnerable and therefore didn't have the courage to do anything. He should go. Simple as that. The former bishop of Blackburn did show care and courage. Bless him.
Everyone who knew about this sorrid man and did nothing should resign and ask themselves are they men of God who turned a blind eye.
I strongly suspect this official covering up of clergy misdemeanors has been going on for decades if not centuries. In most organisations protecting the brand always tops justice and morals. The church is no different.
Centuries.
Selling the babies of unwed mothers, using those women as slave labour pay off their "debt". The unimaginable cruelty doled out in orphanages, and rampant child abuse worldwide.
I read that bishops were supporting him, but wasn’t that said for Welby and subsequently we learnt that some bishops called for him to resign privately
All those in some senior position who knew about it and did nothing should resign. No ifs buts or maybes.
1. He should never have been allowed back into ministry.
2. Who promoted him to Area Dean?!!! They need to go.
3. Cottrell not only allowed him to continue in that role, but presided over his appointment as a canon. His position is untenable and he should resign.
This episode once again demonstrates that much of the CofE establishment are completely divorced from the reality of parish ministry.
Of course he should resign, as should anyone who harbours, enables or defends an abuser. The c of e seems to believe its exempt from the law of the land and social morality.
The sheer arrogance of clergy astounds me, and infuriates me. They know nothing of humility, humanity or kindness.
I left the C of E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church ✝️
@@Raymond-w5i So do I!
I was once in an evangelical church. I felt I wasn’t allowed to think for myself (or only within certain bounds). I am now an Anglican priest, loving my evangelical friends, but very happy in a much more liberal, open, church.
Too much of Cover Up is the whole problem.
He is ambitious but he should step down gracefully for the sake of the CofE to exist.
It’s his so-called ‘apology’ that gets me. The man has no shame and no credibility.
Yes. 100%.
Do you know how hard it is to reach out to families with children? Very hard. The senior clergy are so, so much less accountable than frontline clergy. Many of them are a hinderance to frontline clergy.
If frontline clergy know its happening then they should act. There's no excuse.
Should The Archbishop of York Resign? Yes.
Too much talk from the church about legalities and not enough about justice. If you get sued for wrongful dismissal because you did what is right and righteous then so be it. If the church is sacrificing the doing of justice to bend to the law of the UK that allows people to be exposed to abuse then the church has forgotten who her King really is.
Even if they'd had to pay off £300,000 to settle Tudor's dismissal they should have done it to hold any integrity. That's the only way you can clean up the culture, restore trust and find God's favour.
Seems to me people in authority hiding behind legal stuff.
Yes .
It’s the superior unethical position that’s been held for decades. Clergy know this - he is probably too arrogant to go
He should go....no question. If a company boss behaved like this they'd be out. The Church is broken at the top, who can ever believe in the compassion of Christ when the top guys condone sexual abuse.......please explain.!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!??!!!!!!!😮
O yes please! And also all Bishops who voted to go against Bible teaching. Does anyone know how to access the signature link? Why would the bishops, in good conscience, want to remain in a job in which they cannot abide with its rules and teachings? But we must continue in prayers for them even after they resign. God welcomes all who repents.
Ok so that solves the ordination of women problem by your reckoning
Yes absolutely!
I've met him. he's got to go
Hé should be sacked Dan, the C of E is no longer a faith based Christian church.
Just read Carey has also resigned.
I wonder if this is the justice the victims need? Some closure?
If Cottrell goes, will this mean the end of LLF too?
I’ve just moved house and am looking for a church. C of E is not on my list… it’s toxic
I think i will wait it out in C of E until the new archbishop is put in post. If they are liberal, I'll be looking to find a more orthodox denomination
“Orthodox” in what way exactly?
That tends to mean bigoted.
@Fercough why do you comment on these videos? Go back to Grindr with your kind
They can't surely be without at least one ArchBishop?
Yes - not just because of this latest problem
If the C of E is going to retain the office holder of priests then it needs some mechanism to get rid of the bad apples with regards to safeguarding. I have recently moved between two Baptist churches, the first independent and second part of BU. Safeguarding is now taken very seriously - all adults working in any way with vulnerable people need to be e done the approved safeguarding training and I would imagine that is approx 50% + in a church with a membership of around 100 - this is both a large commitment and statement of intent that safeguarding is important and will be taken seriously. I am also a scout leader and it is similar to their requirements.
I think you rightly raised the case in Blackburn and the reasoning you highlighted should apply to the church more widely, but the critics of the church will always find fault. Instead of the current criticism it would be church has paid off these people as a scandal instead. As you can't win either way with the media it seems their reasoning around protecting potential victims seems the most apt. I cannot imagine any role in the church is suitable for those who cannot be trusted in the company of children.
CofE clergy is morally bankrupt! A lay receivership should be appointed and allowed to clean up the mess.
Sir with the greatest respect you need to sort the signature tune out will write one for you no charge😂
He should never have been appointed in the first place.
Who takes over if the Archbishop of York and the Archbishop of Canterbury resign?
Probably someone worse.
No one, hopefully, the CE have ALL failed us.
the Bishop of Oswestry would bring the CoE back on track IMO
Maybe it's time to rethink the whole hierarchical structure of the CofE.
@ it’s the way the Bishop and Archbishops are appointed that is more of an issue.
Mm..this is a decision between himself and the Lord..the day of judgement comes to all..(Hebrews 4:12) Dr. Helen Ann Hartley, a brave lady again..
What factors are taken into account on the day of judgement?
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What does God say?
If you do not have the moral courage to stand up, put your head above the parapet, and call out those involved in these appalling crimes, then you do not have the moral authority to be a priest/Bishop/Archbishop. The only Bishop who has demonstrated that moral courage is the Bishop of Newcastle, every other Bishop, without exception, should resign as they have no moral authority to lead the Church.
Yes, He MUST resign, I reported an incident and nothing has been done about it, another safeguarding scandal will arise as a result, watch this space.
😮oh my word - I'm so sorry... Please no more Lord... This is abhorrent and shaming to genuine Christians who love Jesus and love the communities where they live and serve 😢
I'm glad that this recognises that abusers are abusers regardless of 'orthodox' or 'evangelical' traditions/theologies.
Its a shame it doesn't go further into an acceptance that abuse is abuse. To me that's important.
There must be no bowing to "Safeguarding with a Christian perspective" - that is no Safeguarding at all. It perpetuates the culture which allows abuse to continue and flourish; that abuse by the church is somehow different. It isn't. Abuse is abuse.
What is not being said in that statement, I suspect, is that people from the LGBT+ community shouldn't count. Its okay to abuse LGBT+ people because your theology is antithetical to legal standards of abuse outside of the church.
The message is quite simple - don't abuse people - for any reason. Abuse is abuse and identifying as a Christian should not and cannot be a 'get out of jail' card, regardless its form.
Sadly, the *whole* of the *Church Politic's hierarchy* is almost positively infested with demonic energy (and if one thinks these situations are humanistic, one is naive in the extreme, dear reader.)
They may not manifest in your church fellowship in as these singular cases, but in other, almost petty ways that put people out of felloiwship and the peace of G-d that passes all understanding.
The Holy Spirit will not long stay in a place like that unless people are earnestly pleading with Jesus to *not* remove the Lampstand from them (Revelation, Chapters 2-3) in prayer and even repentance, despite the problems, spiritually and temporally! But, in the end, a line will be drawn.
The Church Politic needs, imo, to return to its First Love, like the Ephesian Church was exhorted to do by Jesus in
His first epistle in Revelation. Read the rest and examine the Church - *your church -* in that light! Then pray and talk to your vicar and see where he or she stands. Act on their response - fight for your fellowship or leave. But don't be silent, either way. Shalom and Merry Christ-Mas!
Yes. The Tudor case was a disgrace. Cottrell must go as soon as possible.
What good would it do for another Archbishop to resign? Does that imply the problem is beyond cure?
So be it.
He is not even a person that even tries to live by Christian teachings, he should resign, and all the other bishops that live the same way.
The Diocese of Chelmsford has area bishops, so there may be questions as to where responsibilities lie.
Shouldn't be a trial bynmedia is just another way of saying Bishops failing do to do the right thing should get away with it.
I came across a video from a year ago in which you said you were leaving the CoE and yet you're still in it. Why?
Cottrell's solution to all of this was to change the word's of the Lord's prayer to not say "Our Father", wasn't it?
Really? What was this?
@@Catherine4673-h2h All the papers ran a story about how he was against the use of "Our Father" because it was problematic to people who had been abused by their earthly father. However... do you believe newspapers? Mr Cottrell has since tried to clarify his stance given the way the media wrote their stories. I was inclined to believe the newspapers but it seems they twisted the truth, as usual.
Its not just him though is it? Every person that works with him is obviously lacking in integrity and cannot be a true Christian. Bowing and scraping, while all the time knowing that he turned his back on the suffering of children for his own political gain. Excusing his behavior with technicalities makes them just as guilty.
Us peasants turn our backs on such abominations, they are shunned from society, because we know that there is nothing worse than crimes against children. Shame the clergy don't share the same beliefs.
Hmmm! My instinct is a mixed one. Is it tenable? Hmmm! This is precarious - and I take the point that it may not solve the problems with this priest. Who I understand has had his PTO removed - much like a Priest from Cheltenham who has also had his PTO removed for support of John Smythe QC camps in Britain. These go back to 2009 and 2018 or 19 ! I think that some revision is necessary. But there again, it's not too likely to be accepted.
He’s worse. Much worse
Dear Pastor Dan, as a complete outsider, but today's your video is so heavy, full of criticism and difficult to watch continuously. In such cases enemies work vividly somewhere in the behibd. Would you please check all of this issue. Thank you! From a big mouth outsider.
Bla ,bla bla bla, legalistic religious hypocrisy. Rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.This institution is supposed to represent Christ on earth! In that day Christ will say I never knew you?
Gosh... what a tough question. I don't know. I think it's ok for perverts to be priests, I agree with with the bishops. 16 year olds are kids anyway, you live in a pdf file country. What's the harm?
In my experience any clergy above the status of parish vicar have all placed their ascent up the greasy pole over the work of Christ.
Also from my experience, most parish vicars, are comprised - they chase the wealthy and powerful in their Churches and Parish.
Sadly the CofE is little more than an establishment private club.
Though I’ve sought Jesus in many CofE churches, I’ve never found him!
This is so sad that you believe this...
God should resign - the buck stops with him.
Typical - blaming God for the sins of MAN
Yes
This podcast priest is very hard to follow. He rambles on without any rhyme or reason.
No it's not easy to listen to thought it was just me!!
I believe he is a brilliant man and a very gifted communicator. We dont need a witch hunt.
Yes