Laci, you didn't lose a lot of friends, just learned who your friends actually are. If that turns out to be only 1 person, so be it. Better off for it.
Holy shit that's it! I seriously had no idea why I suddenly caught feelz (like more than necessary). Like forreal y'all might be onto something here...
i now genuinely like laci green, because she is one of the rare feminists who will actually listen to the other side and respects them and their opinions
I'd suggest you keep a healthy amount of skepticism in regards to Laci. You should generally question the motives of any public figure who suddenly flips on a topic, especially if the timing seems convenient. In this case, mainstream culture has been pulling away from third-wave inter-sectional feminism, so this could just as easily be a strategic move. One that seems to be working, and gaining her some new right-wing fans, just because every group likes their pet defectors. That may just be me, though. I too much of a cynic for my own good sometimes.
She noticed her SJW videos were tanking and subscriptions dropping. She made a career decision to get off the SJW sinking ship she sailed on for years. She's the worst kind of person.
stop feminism I think her problem is she's a genuinely good person with a genuinely good heart. Problem is shes illinformed. Like I find her extremely admirable, but she's like the poster child of why operating based off emotions doesnt work.
I've never cared for Laci, but her finally coming out about this has given me a newfound respect for her. I still don't agree with her on most things, but I do respect her for finally standing up against censorship.
On the religious aspect of it, I've been thinking on it more and more lately, humans have had some sort of religious belief for thousands of years, why did people assume that humans wouldn't find something to replace it?
The sad thing about is that we could have substitute it with good things, like the desier of self improvement, a human coalition for our betterment and technological advancement, a form of spirituality ecc. Instead we litterally took the wors parts: tough cencoring, violence and conquest; and applie it to and ideology where diverse people are the gods and saints. For a while i tought that religion having less importance was going to be good for humanity but now i see there is a reason it exists, it has a function.
I once voiced my opinions on BLM, Feminism, etc and i lost 3 of my best friends because of it (All were people of color and 2 or 3 of them were feminists) 3 of them were my BEST FRIENDS (We had been friends for like, 10 years). So because I disagreed with them on something like that, they ditched me after 10 years.
Rachael... my best friend is my brother in law. I disagree with him on nearly every subject except being reasonable. We discuss every subject under the sun. Never agree but see past that and know what is important. People who drop you because you don't agree with them are not your friends. They are only with you because you agree with them, true friends are with you when you don't agree with them. They are out there and you will find them :-)
Dudes... I used to get violent threats from people in school three or four times per week. This is what happens when people don't learn how to face adverse opinions.
Laci Green In my opinion represents a sex positive type of feminism that is morally sound, balanced, and communicative. Where she has problems is where she runs into people seeking personal authoritarian power from within a movement rather than the self empowerment for all defined and limited by equality or the equitable utility in a power structured relationship where talents shared serve one another and mutual wellbeing.
I really wish one day to meet with Laci. I have a good feeling that she would make a great friend. Besides our ideological differences, I honestly believe she is a good person inside.
Feminism was great back in the day. I don't see the reason for it now. The day I start taking women serious about feminist issues is when I see just as many women on the back of a garbage truck as men. Until that day I'm calling bullshit.
I appreciate you, rubin, and lacy. Two people who WANT to have conversations. Like i say, "listen. You do not have like or agree, but we should always try to listen."
She keeps saying she was Mormon, then talking about original sin and being condemned to hell. Mormons don't even believe in either of those two concepts. Makes me wonder about the accuracy of her claims......
Abdul Alhaz to me see she looks like a very immature person, like a child. She doesn't come across to me as a very smart person who thinks things out or even begins to understand what makes a balanced person emotionally, spiritually, or physically. She looks like she won't give up the victim complex either constantly looking like she is going to cry and the whole thing about being scared to say tranny was rediculous and made it seem like she is really afraid that someone was gonna burst through into the studio and beat her up for saying it. That kind of drama she made up just made me cringe. She just came across as fake. But maybe that's just to me and I. Totally wrong about her.
I used to be an SJW i dont really know why. I suppose it was because i was gay and i saw some other gays and i was like oh i have to be like them. Then i found youtubers like Shoeonhead and Blair White and i began to wake up to the SJW always triggered nonsense. Now im an extremely offensive gay man wjo actually quite likes Trump
Cormac Doyle And the sad thing is is that the left will hate you now. Even if you affiliate with the left, they will hate you because you're speaking out against their extremist agenda and your supposed to be a little good puppy who stays with the herd.
Cormac Doyle I am glad you were able to see what is going on with today and the SJW movement. I wish you the best of luck with your battles and I wish for your success.
feminism is now the new religion since more and more people are now becoming "Non religious" and are now using the ideaology of Germaine Greer to give them moral compass and balance. These people are obviously suffering severe mental health issues and have massive insecurities and need serious psychological help. And Thankyou to Laci for speaking out and saying what alot of us have been thinking. #IthoughtIwasalone #thankgod!
The question Laci asks at the end is very pertinent, and also difficult. It was: "How do we create moral systems for humans without devolving into this trash ?" The "trash" she speaks about refers to the anxiety of saying something wrong, the sniping and suspicion, the endless judgement about whether you are a "good" or "bad" person, that she reports on in her community. The issue is always "judgement". Who holds the sword? We should ask "who is the final judge of good and bad?" If you say that is another ("but the rules say..."), then you will always be led around like a bull with a ring through it's nose. If you say the final judge is you, then you must steel yourself to take on the moral yoke. It is no easy move. Nietzsche said that yes, we had killed God (the one law whom we are all judged by (the father, the book)), incapable of replacing him. All the dressed up sycophants who circle the mere administration of the law should go and re-read the Crucible, look at the House Unamerican Activities committee, look at the pogroms, look at the Mill gram experiment, Salem witch Trails, and any other number of "in group" and "out group" types of activities that history provides for us. The point is that we are PRIMED to want to be "in" and not "out" but we can't even begin to question morality without first getting to the bottom of that urge. Right to the bottom of it. And, unfortunately, that takes experience, wisdom, not knowing so much, and all that is the antithesis of the "quick fix, don't even have to get off the couch" quality of ideology, where being a good or a bad person is just a matter of thinking the right or wrong way. No actual effort required.
Moses Bullrush That's not how words work. Perhaps there is a reason, if someone concludes that it is for no reason, then it is dishonest. Claims can be disputed, but there is always a reason.
Wait she was torn to shreads because she used a term a transgender person used to describe himself? Years and years ago? Seriously? You can't be serious.
I fled the left after being _ostracized by the groups I defended_ (like Laci has been). But I think Laci Rocks. She has, and maintains true *intellectual honesty.* Kudos kid!
That last second point about finding a moral system that dosen’t turn into an extreme parody of itself expressed a true sense of wisdom and really made Laci’s seem mature and truthful. Always inspiring to hear people say things that are so genuine to them.
This is what gets you thrown out: having *any* differing opinion. When you see one side with pitch forks & the other, who you thought was your enemy, accepting you, your whole world must have flipped on in its head. And reality was learned.
"If this is what gets you thrown out, then fuck you, throw me out." YES. This applies to being unfairly ejected from any in-crowd ever. There's something sublimely liberating about a) being unfairly bullied/verbally abused and b) being shunned, as long as you are 100% positive that such treatment is the result of you standing up for your convictions. It's at that point when you sit by and observe the other person/group foaming at the mouth and think to yourself, "Thank god you're behaving in such an obviously crazy way, otherwise I might worry that I could be the problem." The lunacy of the other side (in any such conflict) frees you from any self doubt.
Laci Green is learning...there's a big difference between people on the mainstream right or even center you happen to disagree with, but are for the most part mentally healthy and the many people now attacking her, who in many ways are mentally "fragile".
It's crazy how things tend to repeat itself in life if the lesson couldn't be extracted. Which is an hard task to do and sometimes almost impossible, no doubt about that.
7:23 I've noticed something about that word "bigot" the last few years, in that the people who are the first to use it as an accusation are very often the biggest bigots themselves, and not surprisingly, it's usually a Feminist SJW who slings that word around. I guess my problem is, "bigot" and "bigotry" are words with very specific meanings and very specific applications, not words meant to be used to shut down the argument of someone you just don't agree with or put them on the defensive. Like most things SJWs touch, it's lost all meaning at this point.
It cannot be overstated just how important it is that people can CHANGE. You can be misguided now and promoting a nasty cause, but if you develop yourself over time through age and experience away from whatever nasty cause you promoted, you are welcome again. It is never too late to change.
I learned long ago through hard life experience that life is too difficult as it is to get sucked into this kind of drama. I applaud her standing up for common sense and what she thinks is right but if her "friends" and allies are going to turn against her on a dime then you just have to turn them loose. Personally, I don't have enough time for the people who really truly care about me to waste time on people who don't. Wish I had learned that lesson when I was her age. Would have saved a lot of drama and angst.
I never understood the thing about losing friends over different viewpoints. I have different viewpoints with a lot of my friends, but we're still friends. We're adult enough to know that despite what our political views are, we get along together and we still enjoy each others company. If anything, having friends with opposing viewpoints is more beneficial than having friends who share viewpoints. You get to see things in a different light. You teach them and they teach you. I guess what I'm getting at is why are we basing our friendships on political leaning? It shouldn't matter if they have a different opinion.
She isn't the deepest thinker or the most eloquent speaker, but love her or hate her. She possesses one of the best virtues a human can have. Humility! Being willing to say the words "I was wrong" and to not allow your ego to get in the way of your progression as a human being. We won't judge or hate anyone with the capacity to do this.
My god the amount of times I've been violently threatened in my life as a man/adolescent/boy/kid... she makes it seem like she's the only one to ever experience this.
Yes, she does, because she *holds on to it*. My point is if I wanted to I could forever recount the numerous times in my life I've had my life threatened if I want to take every threat as a genuine one. It's taking what people say in a moment of passing frustration as something literal and then building upon it a narrative that really doesn't exist to nearly the extent that some would like us to believe. It's divisive and it makes monsters out of regular human beings who are just being idiotic for a moment- something we are all guilty of.
rasdasa so your point is that if someone with emesne frustration and anger walks up and threatens my life i should take it with a grain of salt? their just kdding? or are you saying that she says it with emotion and thats wrong even though she has had her life threatened? i mean sure if my little sister said that then yea i would be okay. but if someone i dont know well walks up and tells me that, im supossed to not have a reaction? whats your point dude?
My point is that on the internet it might very well be an 11 year old trolling you(and most of the time it is), so stop acting like when they threaten your life it's something to call yourself a victim over, which is exactly what she's parroting. Just look at the comments section, I'm not the only one picking up on this. How many times have you had people scream at you and threaten your life online, especially while gaming, to me personally it's on a weekly bases. If I were to internalize all of that and make it into something I would think that all of society was rampant with violent sociopaths. And that's poisonous for me and for everyone else.
People who turn on you are afraid, really afraid of the truth! If they were afraid of a lie they could just say: What you say isn’t true and this is why!
Laci, a lot of trans people are taking a whole lot of hurt with them from their past. Please don't consider them to be the norm, even if they are vocal or angry when transitioning. I am sorry that happened to you.
I wonder often about people like Ruben who are stunned when they change positions that people dislike them for it. As if your positions aren't part of you and are part of the reason they liked you to begin with.
What is wrong with a cooperative woman/partner? One who empowers/builds Vs one who exploits. What is wrong with partners mutually lifting each other up? What is wrong with feminine qualities? What is wrong with cooking, cleaning the house and looking after your offspring? What is wrong with a little bit of sacrifice for the greater good? I know my dad is where he is today partly because of the support and loyalty my mom has given him.
A moral system without the crazy persecution complex? The problem with moral systems is that they are founded on moral judgments, not qualitative judgments.
I honestly feel reeaally bad for her. About the part at the end where they said she had basically already gone through it with Mormonism. That's sad. She has thick skin. I like laci alot
It's a very common thing that has happened to this lady, she has grown up. This condition affects a lot of people, when we are young it's normal to be rebellious against the establishment and that is what attracts s people to the far left, don't get me wrong that can be a good thing ,if it's channeled constructively it can help to shape society. The trouble is today it's to hysterical and screechy and done with far to much heightened emotion. As we grow up and our values and thinking become more reasoned most of us become more ( small c ) conservative in our thinking, so even if you remain on the left you graduate towards the centre.
poor girl. i cant imagine what she has been thru. jeez this feels like one of those videos about former cultist coming out or something. i hope she finds comfort with chris.
I think both of them should raise the bar for those they consider "friends". I would never dream of ditching a friend because I disagreed with them on something political.
I'm in the middle of the road on feminism. I agree with feminism on some issues and antis on some issues. That's why I really appreciate Laci. She's a feminist who's willing to talk to the antis.
So many people are just so triggered. I love that she has taken a step back and is skeptical of everyone. That makes a well rounded intellectual. It's incredibly brave to be a moderate in this day and age. She has liberals, conservatives, Christians, and Mormons hounding her because she doesn't see their point of views' completely.
It is not such a mystery why so-called moral movements end up hypocritical and self-righteous. The ideology was corrupt from the start in assuming that certain categories of people, eg. women over men, were morally superior from Day One.
After escaping a puritanical cult, Laci has been welcomed with open arms by her ideological enemies, and all she had to do was say, "Maybe we can talk this all out."
The only thing that matters is the party. Your family and friends may be an enemy of the state. You must inform on them to weed out the enemy. Strangely its just like the ussr. Who would have thought?
I cannot believe shes doin this its so weird, if shes genuine, its got to be the ultimate red pill... right? even tho shes still crazy. and a feminist lol and slightly fascistic when it comes to language. and self censoring haha
You heard it here folks. Laci Green who was a pretty powerful feminist figure is now saying it felt akin to being in a religion. That's very telling isn't it?
It's not that she said 'the word', it's that she didn't yet feel too afraid to self-censor. It's not so much what you say, it's that you dare to say it that gets these sperg fits aimed at you.
"You need to apologize, but your apology is never enough, you are forever an original sinner" It's just me, or it sounds EXACTLY like what all of the ex-scientologists are saying once they leave the cult?
Respect to Laci Green for finding her way. The difference between us and feminists/SJW's is that we forgive and forget. Where feminism and SJW's never will. Welcome Laci Green I'm both happy for you and sad for you. But mostly happy that you're finally free and sad because you had to go through being exposed to feminism before finding your way to the true nature of individuality where you could finally find true trust in people.
Why is everyone saying that she's doing this for views or whatever She still calls herself a feminist If this were for views or whatever I feel like it would be more accepted to say that she's no longer a feminist
She sounds too chill to be feminist Edit then she sympathizes/empathizes with another human being thats not exactly like her with him and I realized shes not a feminist.
We need objectionalism. That means that we listen and hear contrary views that may differ from ours. We use facts even though many reject what the 'facts' are nowadays. But when we suppress and oppress speech through government legislation we can be sure we are dealing with tyrants. Now which party wants to legislate your speech and behaviors today? It is not the same as back in 1960.
ANY feminist who see's the light and comes over to the "right" or however you want to put it, should be made to apologize publicly for the disservice they do to society
I think I might be Laci's friend now if I knew her. She seems to be waking up and instead of trying to reinforce her original beliefs she seems to be viewing facts and learn
When SHE (of all people) starts saying this shit, this is how you know that your movement is destructive and horrible to even your own followers. This must end.
Laci, you didn't lose a lot of friends, just learned who your friends actually are. If that turns out to be only 1 person, so be it. Better off for it.
Bruh she sounds like she is perpetually on the verge of tears
I know. I don't really agree with a lot of her opinions, but I can feel for her :/
this should have way more likes. so accurate
Holy shit that's it! I seriously had no idea why I suddenly caught feelz (like more than necessary). Like forreal y'all might be onto something here...
She's been playing the victim so long she is having trouble turning it off.
Κωνσταντίνος Πασσιάς ha ha yes!
i now genuinely like laci green, because she is one of the rare feminists who will actually listen to the other side and respects them and their opinions
A non. I disagree with her. But i respect that she is at least willing to listen and hear people out.
I'd suggest you keep a healthy amount of skepticism in regards to Laci. You should generally question the motives of any public figure who suddenly flips on a topic, especially if the timing seems convenient. In this case, mainstream culture has been pulling away from third-wave inter-sectional feminism, so this could just as easily be a strategic move. One that seems to be working, and gaining her some new right-wing fans, just because every group likes their pet defectors.
That may just be me, though. I too much of a cynic for my own good sometimes.
Puppy thats actually a really good point, especially considering feminists generally aren't reasonable people
When did she ever do that?
She noticed her SJW videos were tanking and subscriptions dropping. She made a career decision to get off the SJW sinking ship she sailed on for years. She's the worst kind of person.
I don't hate laci as a person, I disagree with her politics and I don't think people should threaten her.
stop feminism I think her problem is she's a genuinely good person with a genuinely good heart.
Problem is shes illinformed.
Like I find her extremely admirable, but she's like the poster child of why operating based off emotions doesnt work.
She’s full of shit. Especially when she says she got raped.
I'd give her and everyone like her a helicopter ride out to the ocean and throw them the fuck out. RIP Pinochet.
It's what to be expected if you look at the fanbases of people like Tommy Robinson, Sargon of Akkad, Trump, UKIP and Feminazis
I'd like to make her a nice cup of tea.
I'm British, so that's fairly standard.
I've never cared for Laci, but her finally coming out about this has given me a newfound respect for her. I still don't agree with her on most things, but I do respect her for finally standing up against censorship.
I'm so sorry for most of the comments here, Laci.
Good wishes to you.
On the religious aspect of it, I've been thinking on it more and more lately, humans have had some sort of religious belief for thousands of years, why did people assume that humans wouldn't find something to replace it?
The sad thing about is that we could have substitute it with good things, like the desier of self improvement, a human coalition for our betterment and technological advancement, a form of spirituality ecc. Instead we litterally took the wors parts: tough cencoring, violence and conquest; and applie it to and ideology where diverse people are the gods and saints. For a while i tought that religion having less importance was going to be good for humanity but now i see there is a reason it exists, it has a function.
Religion and politics are both processed in the temporal lobe. It's logical to assume atheists would find something else to worship.
Laci is in the 5% of Feminist, who isn't a full blown misandrist.
I once voiced my opinions on BLM, Feminism, etc and i lost 3 of my best friends because of it (All were people of color and 2 or 3 of them were feminists) 3 of them were my BEST FRIENDS (We had been friends for like, 10 years). So because I disagreed with them on something like that, they ditched me after 10 years.
Rachael fuk em. your better off
Rachael... my best friend is my brother in law. I disagree with him on nearly every subject except being reasonable. We discuss every subject under the sun. Never agree but see past that and know what is important. People who drop you because you don't agree with them are not your friends. They are only with you because you agree with them, true friends are with you when you don't agree with them. They are out there and you will find them :-)
Rachael That just means they weren't your friends to begin with.
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thank u youre so kind xoxo
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Dudes... I used to get violent threats from people in school three or four times per week. This is what happens when people don't learn how to face adverse opinions.
Laci Green In my opinion represents a sex positive type of feminism that is morally sound, balanced, and communicative. Where she has problems is where she runs into people seeking personal authoritarian power from within a movement rather than the self empowerment for all defined and limited by equality or the equitable utility in a power structured relationship where talents shared serve one another and mutual wellbeing.
Closed minds. Censorship. No discussion or debate. This is how society crumbles.
Laci- I don't agree with you on many things, but I have a ton of respect for you, keep fighting the good fight hun! #freespeech #fuckcensorship
Can someone pleeease teach him not to say "anticdotal". This is the third time I've heard this. How was no one corrected him? it's anecdotal, Dave.
How *has no one corrected him.
Daniel Ju notice how quick and easy that was? Now I know :)
it ain't easy tryin' to be a grammar-nazi out here anymore.
Years ago I had a boss who pronounced “specific” as “pacific”.
Somehow 'anticdotal' seems appropriate in this instance.
I really wish one day to meet with Laci. I have a good feeling that she would make a great friend. Besides our ideological differences, I honestly believe she is a good person inside.
Feminism was great back in the day. I don't see the reason for it now. The day I start taking women serious about feminist issues is when I see just as many women on the back of a garbage truck as men. Until that day I'm calling bullshit.
I appreciate you, rubin, and lacy. Two people who WANT to have conversations. Like i say, "listen. You do not have like or agree, but we should always try to listen."
Interesting. The same thing happened to Cassie Jaye and even further back to Erin Pizzey. Anyone seeing a pattern here?
She keeps saying she was Mormon, then talking about original sin and being condemned to hell. Mormons don't even believe in either of those two concepts. Makes me wonder about the accuracy of her claims......
Abdul Alhaz to me see she looks like a very immature person, like a child. She doesn't come across to me as a very smart person who thinks things out or even begins to understand what makes a balanced person emotionally, spiritually, or physically. She looks like she won't give up the victim complex either constantly looking like she is going to cry and the whole thing about being scared to say tranny was rediculous and made it seem like she is really afraid that someone was gonna burst through into the studio and beat her up for saying it. That kind of drama she made up just made me cringe. She just came across as fake. But maybe that's just to me and I. Totally wrong about her.
Wow, this might be the first time I ever felt empathy for laci
beautiful conversation
I used to be an SJW i dont really know why. I suppose it was because i was gay and i saw some other gays and i was like oh i have to be like them. Then i found youtubers like Shoeonhead and Blair White and i began to wake up to the SJW always triggered nonsense. Now im an extremely offensive gay man wjo actually quite likes Trump
Cormac Doyle And the sad thing is is that the left will hate you now. Even if you affiliate with the left, they will hate you because you're speaking out against their extremist agenda and your supposed to be a little good puppy who stays with the herd.
Cormac Doyle I am glad you were able to see what is going on with today and the SJW movement. I wish you the best of luck with your battles and I wish for your success.
Wanna be my token gay friend?
Cormac Doyle You never a sjw, for such weak reasons such as that, you were a follower then and you are now.
SLYKM you're not a very good person.
feminism is now the new religion since more and more people are now becoming "Non religious" and are now using the ideaology of Germaine Greer to give them moral compass and balance. These people are obviously suffering severe mental health issues and have massive insecurities and need serious psychological help. And Thankyou to Laci for speaking out and saying what alot of us have been thinking. #IthoughtIwasalone #thankgod!
I feel so sad for Laci. People shouldn't be afraid to say a word.
That music at the end gave me a warm, cuddly, fuzzy embrace.
9:53 did she just catch me outside?
The question Laci asks at the end is very pertinent, and also difficult. It was: "How do we create moral systems for humans without devolving into this trash ?" The "trash" she speaks about refers to the anxiety of saying something wrong, the sniping and suspicion, the endless judgement about whether you are a "good" or "bad" person, that she reports on in her community.
The issue is always "judgement". Who holds the sword? We should ask "who is the final judge of good and bad?" If you say that is another ("but the rules say..."), then you will always be led around like a bull with a ring through it's nose. If you say the final judge is you, then you must steel yourself to take on the moral yoke. It is no easy move. Nietzsche said that yes, we had killed God (the one law whom we are all judged by (the father, the book)), incapable of replacing him.
All the dressed up sycophants who circle the mere administration of the law should go and re-read the Crucible, look at the House Unamerican Activities committee, look at the pogroms, look at the Mill gram experiment, Salem witch Trails, and any other number of "in group" and "out group" types of activities that history provides for us. The point is that we are PRIMED to want to be "in" and not "out" but we can't even begin to question morality without first getting to the bottom of that urge. Right to the bottom of it.
And, unfortunately, that takes experience, wisdom, not knowing so much, and all that is the antithesis of the "quick fix, don't even have to get off the couch" quality of ideology, where being a good or a bad person is just a matter of thinking the right or wrong way. No actual effort required.
What is that Great music in the end!!!?? i need to know.. :) one love
Search "One Piece OST". I don't know the title of the theme.
Wtf guys, what happened to your country. Weren't you supposed to be the land of the free? The bastion of free speech? It is so sad.
They gave that up to be morally superior.
6:57 If someone calls you a bigot for no reason, then THEY are a bigot.
Moses Bullrush That's not how words work. Perhaps there is a reason, if someone concludes that it is for no reason, then it is dishonest. Claims can be disputed, but there is always a reason.
Wait she was torn to shreads because she used a term a transgender person used to describe himself? Years and years ago? Seriously? You can't be serious.
I fled the left after being _ostracized by the groups I defended_ (like Laci has been). But I think Laci Rocks. She has, and maintains true *intellectual honesty.* Kudos kid!
That last second point about finding a moral system that dosen’t turn into an extreme parody of itself expressed a true sense of wisdom and really made Laci’s seem mature and truthful.
Always inspiring to hear people say things that are so genuine to them.
Laci is still Laci. She is putting on an act for some doctoral thesis or another unknown reason.
Chopper at the end was this cute little gift :3 Thank you!
Hollywood has a saying: "Theres no such thing as bad publicity".
With that, I'm skeptical.
This is what gets you thrown out: having *any* differing opinion.
When you see one side with pitch forks & the other, who you thought was your enemy, accepting you, your whole world must have flipped on in its head. And reality was learned.
onlyonewhyphy This is the same for any like-minded group
"If this is what gets you thrown out, then fuck you, throw me out." YES. This applies to being unfairly ejected from any in-crowd ever. There's something sublimely liberating about a) being unfairly bullied/verbally abused and b) being shunned, as long as you are 100% positive that such treatment is the result of you standing up for your convictions. It's at that point when you sit by and observe the other person/group foaming at the mouth and think to yourself, "Thank god you're behaving in such an obviously crazy way, otherwise I might worry that I could be the problem." The lunacy of the other side (in any such conflict) frees you from any self doubt.
Laci Green is learning...there's a big difference between people on the mainstream right or even center you happen to disagree with, but are for the most part mentally healthy and the many people now attacking her, who in many ways are mentally "fragile".
God i don't agree with half of what her videos say but right now i want to hugh her?!
It's crazy how things tend to repeat itself in life if the lesson couldn't be extracted. Which is an hard task to do and sometimes almost impossible, no doubt about that.
7:23
I've noticed something about that word "bigot" the last few years, in that the people who are the first to use it as an accusation are very often the biggest bigots themselves, and not surprisingly, it's usually a Feminist SJW who slings that word around.
I guess my problem is, "bigot" and "bigotry" are words with very specific meanings and very specific applications, not words meant to be used to shut down the argument of someone you just don't agree with or put them on the defensive. Like most things SJWs touch, it's lost all meaning at this point.
It cannot be overstated just how important it is that people can CHANGE. You can be misguided now and promoting a nasty cause, but if you develop yourself over time through age and experience away from whatever nasty cause you promoted, you are welcome again. It is never too late to change.
I learned long ago through hard life experience that life is too difficult as it is to get sucked into this kind of drama. I applaud her standing up for common sense and what she thinks is right but if her "friends" and allies are going to turn against her on a dime then you just have to turn them loose. Personally, I don't have enough time for the people who really truly care about me to waste time on people who don't. Wish I had learned that lesson when I was her age. Would have saved a lot of drama and angst.
I never understood the thing about losing friends over different viewpoints. I have different viewpoints with a lot of my friends, but we're still friends. We're adult enough to know that despite what our political views are, we get along together and we still enjoy each others company. If anything, having friends with opposing viewpoints is more beneficial than having friends who share viewpoints. You get to see things in a different light. You teach them and they teach you.
I guess what I'm getting at is why are we basing our friendships on political leaning? It shouldn't matter if they have a different opinion.
When I first heard her video about her "change", I was skeptical, but said wait and see. I am glad to see it wasn't temporary or fake.
If you have "friends" like this, you don't need any enemies anymore.
why is the blue cat from fairy tail the thumbnail for this channel?
unfortunately she helped proliferate a movement that is too powerful now. She might as well be Anita Sarkeesian saying "oops, my bad guys."
She isn't the deepest thinker or the most eloquent speaker, but love her or hate her. She possesses one of the best virtues a human can have. Humility! Being willing to say the words "I was wrong" and to not allow your ego to get in the way of your progression as a human being. We won't judge or hate anyone with the capacity to do this.
My god the amount of times I've been violently threatened in my life as a man/adolescent/boy/kid... she makes it seem like she's the only one to ever experience this.
...No, she doesn't.
Yeah, most people don't get threatened that often, even if they're male...
Yes, she does, because she *holds on to it*. My point is if I wanted to I could forever recount the numerous times in my life I've had my life threatened if I want to take every threat as a genuine one. It's taking what people say in a moment of passing frustration as something literal and then building upon it a narrative that really doesn't exist to nearly the extent that some would like us to believe. It's divisive and it makes monsters out of regular human beings who are just being idiotic for a moment- something we are all guilty of.
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so your point is that if someone with emesne frustration and anger walks up and threatens my life i should take it with a grain of salt? their just kdding? or are you saying that she says it with emotion and thats wrong even though she has had her life threatened? i mean sure if my little sister said that then yea i would be okay. but if someone i dont know well walks up and tells me that, im supossed to not have a reaction? whats your point dude?
My point is that on the internet it might very well be an 11 year old trolling you(and most of the time it is), so stop acting like when they threaten your life it's something to call yourself a victim over, which is exactly what she's parroting. Just look at the comments section, I'm not the only one picking up on this. How many times have you had people scream at you and threaten your life online, especially while gaming, to me personally it's on a weekly bases. If I were to internalize all of that and make it into something I would think that all of society was rampant with violent sociopaths. And that's poisonous for me and for everyone else.
Laci, what a very charming lady you are. This is a lovely interview and it's a pleasure to see you chatting so honestly and eloquently.
Is Dave talking about Anna Kasparian?
People who turn on you are afraid, really afraid of the truth!
If they were afraid of a lie they could just say: What you say isn’t true and this is why!
I quote Genesis circa '86, "This is the world we live in.....The Land of Confusion..." Godamn strait
And as a pre-teen and teen during the 1990's I thought that decade was steeped in PC junk.....times are way heavy now
Laci, a lot of trans people are taking a whole lot of hurt with them from their past. Please don't consider them to be the norm, even if they are vocal or angry when transitioning. I am sorry that happened to you.
I am a feminist transwoman and you know what? I liked and supported & believed in you before and I do so now too.
I wonder often about people like Ruben who are stunned when they change positions that people dislike them for it. As if your positions aren't part of you and are part of the reason they liked you to begin with.
What is wrong with a cooperative woman/partner? One who empowers/builds Vs one who exploits. What is wrong with partners mutually lifting each other up?
What is wrong with feminine qualities?
What is wrong with cooking, cleaning the house and looking after your offspring?
What is wrong with a little bit of sacrifice for the greater good?
I know my dad is where he is today partly because of the support and loyalty my mom has given him.
A moral system without the crazy persecution complex? The problem with moral systems is that they are founded on moral judgments, not qualitative judgments.
I honestly feel reeaally bad for her. About the part at the end where they said she had basically already gone through it with Mormonism. That's sad. She has thick skin. I like laci alot
It's a very common thing that has happened to this lady, she has grown up. This condition affects a lot of people, when we are young it's normal to be rebellious against the establishment and that is what attracts s people to the far left, don't get me wrong that can be a good thing ,if it's channeled constructively it can help to shape society. The trouble is today it's to hysterical and screechy and done with far to much heightened emotion. As we grow up and our values and thinking become more reasoned most of us become more ( small c ) conservative in our thinking, so even if you remain on the left you graduate towards the centre.
poor girl. i cant imagine what she has been thru. jeez this feels like one of those videos about former cultist coming out or something. i hope she finds comfort with chris.
I think both of them should raise the bar for those they consider "friends". I would never dream of ditching a friend because I disagreed with them on something political.
As someone in the LDS church, I personally see it very different than SJW stuff. I'm sorry that you had the experiences like that in your life.
I'm in the middle of the road on feminism. I agree with feminism on some issues and antis on some issues. That's why I really appreciate Laci. She's a feminist who's willing to talk to the antis.
So many people are just so triggered. I love that she has taken a step back and is skeptical of everyone. That makes a well rounded intellectual. It's incredibly brave to be a moderate in this day and age. She has liberals, conservatives, Christians, and Mormons hounding her because she doesn't see their point of views' completely.
It is not such a mystery why so-called moral movements end up hypocritical and self-righteous. The ideology was corrupt from the start in assuming that certain categories of people, eg. women over men, were morally superior from Day One.
After escaping a puritanical cult, Laci has been welcomed with open arms by her ideological enemies, and all she had to do was say, "Maybe we can talk this all out."
"I'm a feminist." = "You say one WORD out of line, and I'll cancel your ass. I'm no friend to anyone."
and so begins her damage control...
I used to hate Laci Green but she's evolving in a really cool way. Hats off to the Ms Green as she takes a similar journey as Cassie Jaye =)
Dear god she comes across like a 13 year old talking about her feelings about boys and her first period .
Hell Yes! You can be friends with people you disagree with!
Now she knows how it feels outside that toxic bubble and when it turns on you.
Moral systems must exist. The only way through it is to pay for the sin; so anyone can experience forgiveness.
The only thing that matters is the party. Your family and friends may be an enemy of the state. You must inform on them to weed out the enemy.
Strangely its just like the ussr. Who would have thought?
I cannot believe shes doin this its so weird, if shes genuine, its got to be the ultimate red pill... right? even tho shes still crazy. and a feminist lol and slightly fascistic when it comes to language. and self censoring haha
Shes just starting, let time be a better judge
Well she's with Chris Ray Gun so, he must have done her right.
fair play, just think she has alot to learn about the nature of freedom, and the human cost of disallowing it, especially in speech
You heard it here folks. Laci Green who was a pretty powerful feminist figure is now saying it felt akin to being in a religion. That's very telling isn't it?
I've become a big Laci fan. Thanks Rubin and Green!
Hasn't laci tried to censor other's before? Does my memory not serve me correctly?
It's not that she said 'the word', it's that she didn't yet feel too afraid to self-censor.
It's not so much what you say, it's that you dare to say it that gets these sperg fits aimed at you.
"You need to apologize, but your apology is never enough, you are forever an original sinner"
It's just me, or it sounds EXACTLY like what all of the ex-scientologists are saying once they leave the cult?
I'm a fan of hers! She is very common sense, and I enjoy her work!
Respect to Laci Green for finding her way.
The difference between us and feminists/SJW's is that we forgive and forget.
Where feminism and SJW's never will.
Welcome Laci Green I'm both happy for you and sad for you.
But mostly happy that you're finally free and sad because you had to go through being exposed to feminism before finding your way to the true nature of individuality where you could finally find true trust in people.
Selective memory is strong in this one. She clearly forgot her twisting of the facts with Phil DeFranco
Laci is such a cutie. Brains and beauty. If she became Red Pilled , she’d be perfect.
Ive always loved her glad she's seeing the light
Why is everyone saying that she's doing this for views or whatever
She still calls herself a feminist
If this were for views or whatever I feel like it would be more accepted to say that she's no longer a feminist
She sounds too chill to be feminist
Edit then she sympathizes/empathizes with another human being thats not exactly like her with him and I realized shes not a feminist.
When "friendships" can not out weigh identity politics and bias...mental disease.
We need objectionalism. That means that we listen and hear contrary views that may differ from ours. We use facts even though many reject what the 'facts' are nowadays. But when we suppress and oppress speech through government legislation we can be sure we are dealing with tyrants. Now which party wants to legislate your speech and behaviors today? It is not the same as back in 1960.
Just when I had lost all hope for humanity!!
ANY feminist who see's the light and comes over to the "right" or however you want to put it, should be made to apologize publicly for the disservice they do to society
I think I might be Laci's friend now if I knew her. She seems to be waking up and instead of trying to reinforce her original beliefs she seems to be viewing facts and learn
The way you develop moral systems that work for the people instead of against them is called free speech.
phookadude We got free speech, so...?
She said she was at "federal government level" for trans rights...
When SHE (of all people) starts saying this shit, this is how you know that your movement is destructive and horrible to even your own followers. This must end.
I actually have so much respect for Laci now.
As a conservative I'm called that stuff everyday. I'm glad you're getting an education. In the end, the left/radicalism will eat itself.
Antidote and anecdote are not the same thing.