Awesome idea for a video! This inspired me to search what the least killed dungeon bosses/rares/named mobs within dungeons in Classic are, and I compiled a list which sorts them compared to the kill counts of the most popular boss within the same dungeon. This gives us an estimate of how rarely a specific boss is killed within a dungeon run. Here are some interesting picks: Dark Keeper Vorfalk (195 kills; killed 215.33 times less often than General Angerforge; the Dark Keepers all take the top seats in this list, so I'll only mention this guy) Sandarr Dunereaver (218 kills; 82.11 times less often than Witch Doctor Zum'rah) Dark Iron Ambassador (159 kills; killed 36.4 times less often than Electrocutioner 6000) The list is a bit too long to share here, but that there is about a top 3 listing.
Thanks a lot - glad you liked the video idea! That's a great idea you have there, and I actually thought of doing something similar based off the kill counts listed on Classic Wowhead. I don't know how they gather that data, but it definitely seems like a strong indicator of which bosses are less popular. It's awesome that you took the time to create a list like that. It would be fun to make a video about the top 10 least killed bosses in Classic WoW (although most will probably be rare spawns so you would have to figure out how to correct for that in some way).
My favorite thing to do in Uldaman is take people, who don’t know their way through the dungeon, to that boss right in front of the “back entrance” and then walk towards the instance portal and see how many people follow me and keep walking and end up leaving the dungeon while I stand there and wait for them to zone back into the dungeon and then chuckle.
So I feel I should mention that the warrior quest chest item from RFK was a must have for 60 raids you would put it on use it to gain 30 rage before a boss pull then swap back on your good chest.
I definitely didn't think of that when I wrote the script for the video and recorded the audio, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for pointing it out. I saw an old database comment afterwards mentioning what you're saying. I can see how it would be strong for tanks especially to allow them to get in few Sunder Armors to get threat quickly, but for DPS I'm sure it's great too. I've seen warriors kill any critters they can before a boss fight to gain rage, but if there aren't any around the Brutal or Fire Hardened Hauberk are definitely much more reliable and nice to have. The 1 hour cooldown is a bit long though.
Yeah, just because of the size of Gnomeregan I think a lot of people haven't seen all parts of it - especially if you're mostly playing Horde I think since they have fewer quests available for it. I've only done Gnomeregan as a Horde as far as I can remember, and I've usually skipped the trogg / tunnel area in the beginning and The Clean Zone. The Crowd Pummeler also tends to be skipped a lot from my experience.
I've done gnomer more than your average person. and no I don't mean druids farming crowd pummeler. I mean all of gnomer. The area I've ended up doing the least often would have to be very early on in the dungeon when you make a left down as tunnel instead of heading straight down towards the cleaning room. there's an NPC who starts a quest where you try to close off a tunnel troggs are coming out of or something. I also used to do it all the time in Vanilla, but nobody wants to do it in classic. But where you get the yellow punchcard, in those little hole-rooms in the wall, one of th em has an escort quest guy. Nobody bothers with him anymore lol.
Kickass video, interesting and fun to watch. As a warrior main in Classic I definitely had to get a group to go after Roogug in RFK, but it helps that we had another warrior with us, so both of us got our quest item.
Thank you very much man! I guess it was a bit easier to convince the rest of the group when two of you needed the quest :D - else you might feel a bit shy to ask when you have people that just want to rush through the dungeon. Did you try to jump in the cauldron?
Another great video! It's amazing to see what one might have missed during all this time, thanks for putting it out there! On a sidenote (since it has a little relevance to the topic at hand): Just yesterday I was leveling on my fresh tauren druid in Mulgore; feeling a little explorative I ventured (lol) into the Venture Co. Mine a little further than I usually do since I would normally just take care of the quest mob not too far into the mine and then immediately head back so I can finally get on my way to the Barrens.. I was amazed at how far the mine actually stretches into the mountain, it is really well crafted for an early level cave. There is nothing to gain here, no quest objective or anything, so I guess that probably not many people have taken the time to explore further into the mine. There is actually another exit at the far end of the tunnels that leads to a plateau near red rocks, another area I've never been to. There is also an engineering trainer there. It felt really rewarding to find all this, especially since I didn't expect to find anything noteworthy and was merely curious. In any case, sorry about the extended storytime, I just felt like sharing :) @Moegdal possibly a topic for a part 2 ? ;)
Thanks a lot mate. I'm very glad you liked the video :) That's a great story, and I had absolutely no idea there was an engineering trainer up that way - that's pretty crazy. I would have been very amazed if I had discovered it myself as well, and it definitely seems like the extra time you took to explore the cave was worth it - that's awesome! I have actually thought about making a video about the different types of unique caves that exist. A lot of " cave types" are re-used many times throughout the game, but I think there are quite a few that are unique and only used once - I would have to look into that. Maybe it could be combined with the "overlooked / skipped" topic like you mention - I think it's a good idea and thanks a lot for sharing your story!
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 Glad you liked the story! I find what you said about the unique caves interesting, since I also wondered whether or not this type of cave is unique as I couldn't recall that layout from anywhere else (at least to my knowledge). Also considering that there is another exit point at a specific location (which leads to the plateau above red rocks) makes me question the likelyhood of this cave being used anywhere else. I find it very possible that this is the only cave created this way, which dumbfounded me since this is a cave in a starter zone for which the game doesn't even provide enticement for players to explore it all. Oh and also I would very much like to see other unique caves that might be out there :)
@@s0ryn18 I remember listening to some podcast with old Blizzard developer John Staats who made a lot of the caves in Vanilla/Classic WoW where he specifically mentions the mine in Mulgore and brings up a point about it being too big for a starting zone or something like that. I think it was a Countdown To Classic podcast.
Have you seen the bridges that go above the path inside the "boars head" entrance to razorfen downs? Just before the instance portal. There is a path I still haven't walked yet from 1K needles where Arnak Grimtotem is that leads to that bit above the path to the instance portal. I will check it out on my 60 later.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about and I just checked it out. It's pretty cool and you can go up and look out through the eyes of the "boar". The path from Arnak Grimtotem will not take you straight to the area above the path to the instance portal as far as I can tell. Apparently it just ends behind one of the regular huts in the pre-instance area (before you even enter through the boars mouth).
In my experience the efficient runs are usually better because the chance of group members having to leave before the dungeon is finished esp for the tank or healers. Get in and out and if there's time then you can do multiple runs if time allows is usually best.
Great & interested vid thanks! 2 more items with +attack power vs beasts drop from Houndmaster Loksey in SM, a staff with +60 & leather gloves with +30. A hunter or warrior with both plus the bow/gun would be quite something, situationally of course.
Thanks - glad you liked it! Yeah, those are some great beast attack power items as well - the staff especially can be incredible! It could be fun to make the ultimate beast attack power set kind of like you suggest.
In shadowfang keep, there used to be a quest in the not used area. Belive it was for a profesion or mage class in clasic. Only remeber strugeling alot to get to the q item in that area.
Another fairly overlooked area is the Viewing Room in Scholomance. Although groups have to run through this room in order to reach Ras Frostwhisper and Darkmaster Gandling, I have never seen any groups actually stop to clear the Viewing Room of all its trash and 2 bosses. Also, I think if you accidentally attack a mob in the Viewing Room, every mob in the room goes from neutral to hostile similar to the Grim Guzzler in BRD.
Yep, I agree with you on that one although you do pass through the Viewing Room everytime you do the last parts of Scholomance like you say - it's a bit different. The thing I like the most about it perhaps is that you can get a bit anxious when you're going through it - you don't want to press any wrong spell button. The cultist guys all have a dialogue option as well, but I think most people think speaking to them will make them hostile. The room definitely has a lot of cool flavor to it.
I kill houndmaster like half the time in BRD. I was surprised when you mentioned him, I thought for sure you were going to say Bael'gar.. He's kind of out of the way, and the trash leading up to him is some of the hardest in the entire dungeon despite being such an early boss that doesn't drop much good stuff. I think part of it is alliance/horde. Alliance tend to pre-clear the area around houndmaster before the escort anyway, so while they do they it's just a 'oh hey, there's the houndmaster, lets get him, I want his cloak' thing that happens every time you do jailbreak.
Looking back, it seems like the Houndmaster maybe shouldn't have been included in the video. I think I based a lot of my judgement off private server experiences where I don't feel like the Houndmaster was ever very popular. There might be a difference between the factions like you suggest, and I think the heavy emphasis on dungeon grinding in Classic in the first parts of BRD specifically probably had a lot to say in the Houndmaster maybe gaining some popularity. I didn't dungeon grind while leveling myself.
A big secret dungeon place id like to know is the section in mauradon passed the goblin boss. It’s a bridge guarded by multiple stone giants paired together, which is why people skip it. I’m still yet to see what is passed the bridge and into a massive room.
I'm not very familiar with Maraudon either, to be honest, but maybe you're thinking about the stone giant boss, Landslide? I haven't taken him down in Classic, but I did on another server. Actually, I haven't done Maraudon once in Classic yet.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 No not landslide, i'm talking about the section after Tinkerer Gizlock. The section at the bottom right of the map when you google the floor plan of the dungeon. It says there is a lunar festival quest NPC called Elder Splitrock.
@@MrDoogz007 I see it. Yeah, pretty sure I've never been there either. Seems like a weird spot to place an NPC like Elder Splitrock, but at least you're using some of the space.
The hound master was a bit of a shock for me. When I leveled my first character in classic I used to do all the bosses I could before I needed the shadowforge key over and over again from level 51-54.
Ah, yeah, I guess it's hard to make a completely objective list, and I might have a view on Grebmar that is different to a lot of other people. He definitely drops some good items, but I've always skipped him. If you've grinded BRD for multiple levels I can totally see why you would have taken him down a lot of times. I haven't grinded dungeons like that myself in Classic.
When Vanilla was current content we did the houndsmaster all the time since he's right after roccor. I suppose now everything needs to be optimised people just skip him instead.
@@bamboebahr2470 Yeah, I think the gaming culture has changed a lot since 2004-2005, and in WoW I think people have a more min-max mindset today with a high focus on efficiency.
Those "bad gloves" from uldaman are actually the best tanking gloves a warrior can get until endgame dungeons if the bear or tiger stats procs. They were even considered a "ghetto" pre-raid bis in phase 1 if you couldn't get the best ones.
They can definitely be a reasonably strong pair of gloves and nice to have for tanking dungeons. If you're a warrior leveling that way they are more powerful than I give them credit. If you're leveling solo, however, I don't think they're that attractive, and one of the drawbacks is that you have to hope you get a good random enchantment.
Hmm it's so interesting to see it and i understand a few things. When i was leveling we really cleared everything even did plenty full BRD runs killing really every single boss. But now i get why people were so happy when i made a group and asked what are we killing and i just said it's a full run every boss will be killed (all these dungeons your mentioned). The RFK boss well that's i really did only when a warrior needed it but there were few times when they wanted it so we killed it ofc. The SFK yea basically never did seen it but really nothing there which is unfortunate.
As for Houndmaster Grebmar, he might be less overlooked than I initially thought. With all the dungeon spamming that we ended up seeing in Classic and in this case in BRD in the first part of the dungeon, I guess more people got to experience him. I didn't really think of that too much before I made the video since I didn't do many dungeons while leveling myself. Still, I think it was fine to include him.
theres a chest spawn in that sfk room, got a shadowfang way back in the day there after checking it out of curiosity after a run luckily there wasnt anyone there to contest
What about all the little shops in strat undead? I've always thought they're might be a chest or rare in them but none of the groups I've been in have ever been interested in looking.
I haven't really ever paid attention to them myself, and I don't think a lot of people have. In that way, they are definitely overlooked, and I don't know if they hide any secrets.
Hi there. Nice video. But i just wanna add some diferent perspective from someone that has been playing the game since 2004: Those areas you mention as "overlooked" were not realy that overlooked back then. Some because we did not know the best, most optimal routes, others because they are actualy useful for some other stuff. Im gonna give some examples: The uldaman back entrance was heavily utilized for people doing "enchanting trainer runs", as it gives u a way shorter path to the area where the hidden enchanting trainer is. The area with the small golem boss, i remember having to visit it for some quests, and would end up killing the boss because we were there already. The BRD area with the hound boss, we used to kill him regularly because we needed to kill the rock boss very often, the one that patrols around that area, and the drops were useful for the hunters in our guild. The area in Shadowfang Keep, i remember my very 1st run back then, is the path we took. Then we learned there was a boss in the dinner area. What happens with that area, is that Blizzard sadly forgot to add something there, like a boss or something... honestly, after you learn the dungeon layout, you'll see there is literaly no reazon to clear that hallway... theres a boss in the kitchen and a boss in the dinner room... why would you go the other way around? Is just poor design imo. They should have added more quests or a boss for that part of the dungeon, because it IS realy unique! And is not that people don't know that area, is just that we know there is no reazon for us to go there.
Hello, thanks for sharing your perspective! I realize how we play the game has evolved a lot, and that most of the areas I mention in the video were probably viewed (much) differently back when WoW was first released like you suggest yourself. People didn't know the dungeons as well, and I also think the gaming culture was different with less of the min-max approach that we see today. Also, you might not even agree that the areas I mention in the video are overlooked today, but our view on and approach to dungeons have definitely changed.
Oh i agree those areas are now much less visited, if not totaly ignored, But that happened only way after releaze when people had learned the optimal routes. Is something that is bound to happen. A more reazon example, in retail, we have this timewalking events, where you revisit old dungeons and get scaled down to the appropiate level. When the cata timewalking event comes out, the dungeon Throne of Tides has 1 boss that NOONE ever does. The reazon is that, without the quest for him anymore, the path to him is extremely dificult. the bos itself is hard, and noone needs his crappy drops. Is always gonna happen. In vanilla Maraudon, people used to choose the purple side with the satyrs instead of the green one with the oozes, and the green side was pretty much abandoned until later on, when they improved the boss drops and when the nature resistant gear became necesary for AQ, there were a couple drops in that side that were good because of the resistance they had. Man, i remember when we got the staff to just go straight to Princess Theradrass, noone wanted to do purple or green side.
@@josejuanandrade4439 Yeah, I guess it is bound to happen. Once people familiarize themself with a certain dungeon they know where and how to get what they want from it, and they are not going to spend time on something they dont need. Maraudon probably has some overlooked areas that could have been included in the video as well :D
Back in vanilla (or atleast on the server I played on) there were certain routes that was set in stone when going in an instance. I think I never went down in the crypts of scholomance, since nobody wanted to go down there. Most people didn't even know what was down there, only that it was the incorrect route.
Yeah, I think those "meta" or "go-to" routes started to pop up when people got more familiar with the different dungeons. I think it might be even worse today where people are more fixated on min-maxing the different parts of the game, and they want to be as efficient as possible.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 I feel it is actually better now than before since now people actually knows what is down the alternate routes since we have access to a lot more info. So group member might go down there if they know it might drop an upgrade, quest, rare, etc. Or if they know it is only a small detour for a boss they might do it for fun. But back in the day when we didn't have access to that much info then taking a detour out of curiosity could result in an hour waste of time which usually resulted in a group disband. Imagine taking a wrong turn in ST or BRD without the access to maps, boss drops/location, etc.
@@warhammerguy I agree it is better from a time wasting perspective - although the exploration aspect of going down a "wrong" road in a dungeon might be fun in itself. When I say it is worse I mean in terms of how fixated people are on running dungeons in certain ways where I think people are less "tolerant" of alternate dungeon routes today compared to back in Vanilla.
@@kyleellis9177 Damn, it's been a long time since I've run through that dungeon and I don't remember much from it. You would think Blizzard would have become better in the later expansions at making all parts of a dungeon matter to at least a reasonable degree, but maybe not, hehe.
I loved running the more rare or obscure/long dungeons in vanilla.... I played a prot warr to tank which made it easier to make a group and would just spam lfg for a dungeon. BFD, RFK/D, SM, MARA, Scholo, I'm surprised you didn't mention Maradon or Dire Mall, those were really big long complicated dungeons that people would not run as much, or stick thru the whole run. I could usually find a group for a full MARA clear tho, to get people that scepter quest which let u port for the "princess runs". Mara takes a long time but gave some real good loot and xp. I am kinda surprised that the dungeons groups in OP's video were rushing and skipping mobs cause I remember groups taking their time and clearing in vanilla. I would always try to clear atleast, but also would run into people who had never ran that dungeon before, and also just people who had time to kill and we could do the whole thing for loot or xp... I think esp the lower lvl 10-55 dungeons where people still needed xp to lvl it was easier to get them to full clear (if everyone had the patience for wipes and stuff lol) Those were good times, really felt like exploring a new world.
Playing a tank makes it much easier to find groups indeed and you choose where to go (more or less :D) so that's a big positive. People definitely play Classic WoW differently today compared to back in 2004-2006 both because we know more about the game, but I also think people have more of a min-max mentality. Dire Maul and Maraudon probably have some "overlooked" areas as well, but I'm honestly not very familiar with them which might have to do with the fact that I haven't done the dungeons in their entirety and - like you say - that you often skip a lot of parts of them (the exact topic of the video). If I decide to do a part 2 I'll have to look into those dungeons more.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 Yea, I figured with everyone knowing where to go that they just rush thru the dungeons. That is too bad, as it seems like you really have an appreciation for the lore and exploration element of the dungeons... and would have some fun with a group of players who like to take their time and really clear out the dungeons. I look forward to a second video from you where you go over some more dungeons, it was nice to look back and remember some of the more obscure locations in classic dungeons. I would def recommend checking out maradon if you haven't before, it is a huge dungeon but I loved it because you go thru like 3-4 different types of enviornments with a variety of different creatures and mob types in each sub zone, and so much to explore with tons of good loot.
@@Rohan_Trishan If there's just one group member who is in a hurry for whatever reason it's hard to move in a slower tempo. If you're in a group of five friends or something it can be much easier to take your time and be more relaxed. I have done Maraudon a bit but I will probably try to explore it more thoroughly in the future.
That's a good one as well. It's another example of a dungeon like Razorfen Kraul where you have the option to go left or right at the end of that first, long road coming from the instance portal, and people always go to the right. Going left instead will take you to the area I think you're referring to, and I can't remember / don't know how it looks either.
I've killed stone keeper every single time haha, ita not a detour imo And the fire hardened hauberk is great to keep in your bag and pop just before an important raid boss pull at any level.
Everyone has different experiences. I've only killed the Stone Keeper one time that I can remember (the kill you see in the video), but I haven't ran Uldaman all too many times either. The Hauberks are pretty good used the way you suggest, and I should have mentioned it in the video if I had known / thought about it earlier.
I assume you're referring to the Pendulum of Doom. When you check on Classic Wowhead, the only type of mob in the Temple Hall that has been recorded to drop the Pendulum is the Stone Steward which there aren't that many of. The dwarves might drop it as well - I don't know - but at least it's not shown as part of their loot table on Wowhead. They do at least drop a lot of other cool rares, however.
Awesome idea for a video! This inspired me to search what the least killed dungeon bosses/rares/named mobs within dungeons in Classic are, and I compiled a list which sorts them compared to the kill counts of the most popular boss within the same dungeon. This gives us an estimate of how rarely a specific boss is killed within a dungeon run.
Here are some interesting picks:
Dark Keeper Vorfalk (195 kills; killed 215.33 times less often than General Angerforge; the Dark Keepers all take the top seats in this list, so I'll only mention this guy)
Sandarr Dunereaver (218 kills; 82.11 times less often than Witch Doctor Zum'rah)
Dark Iron Ambassador (159 kills; killed 36.4 times less often than Electrocutioner 6000)
The list is a bit too long to share here, but that there is about a top 3 listing.
Thanks a lot - glad you liked the video idea! That's a great idea you have there, and I actually thought of doing something similar based off the kill counts listed on Classic Wowhead. I don't know how they gather that data, but it definitely seems like a strong indicator of which bosses are less popular. It's awesome that you took the time to create a list like that. It would be fun to make a video about the top 10 least killed bosses in Classic WoW (although most will probably be rare spawns so you would have to figure out how to correct for that in some way).
My favorite thing to do in Uldaman is take people, who don’t know their way through the dungeon, to that boss right in front of the “back entrance” and then walk towards the instance portal and see how many people follow me and keep walking and end up leaving the dungeon while I stand there and wait for them to zone back into the dungeon and then chuckle.
Hehe, that's a very creative trick! And a little bit mean :D
So I feel I should mention that the warrior quest chest item from RFK was a must have for 60 raids you would put it on use it to gain 30 rage before a boss pull then swap back on your good chest.
I definitely didn't think of that when I wrote the script for the video and recorded the audio, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for pointing it out. I saw an old database comment afterwards mentioning what you're saying. I can see how it would be strong for tanks especially to allow them to get in few Sunder Armors to get threat quickly, but for DPS I'm sure it's great too. I've seen warriors kill any critters they can before a boss fight to gain rage, but if there aren't any around the Brutal or Fire Hardened Hauberk are definitely much more reliable and nice to have. The 1 hour cooldown is a bit long though.
The leather Barbaric Belt does this too and is a crafted item. Could perhaps use both...
Unfortunately they share a CD but this is an option for bear druids or if you're a war that dose not have the chest.
love the video as per usual! Hope all is well 🧡
Thanks a lot man and thanks for the nice comments :) I hope all is well where you are, too!
I can think of a lot of areas in Gnomeregan people tend to skip if they're going for the fastest route. Also a dungeon with 2 entrances FYI.
Yeah, just because of the size of Gnomeregan I think a lot of people haven't seen all parts of it - especially if you're mostly playing Horde I think since they have fewer quests available for it. I've only done Gnomeregan as a Horde as far as I can remember, and I've usually skipped the trogg / tunnel area in the beginning and The Clean Zone. The Crowd Pummeler also tends to be skipped a lot from my experience.
I've done gnomer more than your average person. and no I don't mean druids farming crowd pummeler. I mean all of gnomer. The area I've ended up doing the least often would have to be very early on in the dungeon when you make a left down as tunnel instead of heading straight down towards the cleaning room. there's an NPC who starts a quest where you try to close off a tunnel troggs are coming out of or something.
I also used to do it all the time in Vanilla, but nobody wants to do it in classic. But where you get the yellow punchcard, in those little hole-rooms in the wall, one of th em has an escort quest guy. Nobody bothers with him anymore lol.
Kickass video, interesting and fun to watch. As a warrior main in Classic I definitely had to get a group to go after Roogug in RFK, but it helps that we had another warrior with us, so both of us got our quest item.
Thank you very much man! I guess it was a bit easier to convince the rest of the group when two of you needed the quest :D - else you might feel a bit shy to ask when you have people that just want to rush through the dungeon. Did you try to jump in the cauldron?
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot man and thanks for the support! Very glad you enjoyed it :)
finally was waiting for your video and i will say it again and again you are awesome and making such unique videos about wow. keep up the good work!
Man, that's truly great to hear. I hope it was worth the wait. Thanks a lot for the nice words!
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 np its nothing :) just saying the truth!
@@dror843 Cheers mate!
Your video ideas are always original and interesting
Thanks a lot man! I'm happy to hear you feel that way.
I love these types of videos. No one likes being bombarded with meta videos. I love this type of unique videos. Keep up the good work man
Thanks man. It's my pleasure entirely. Awesome that you like the videos :)
Another great video! It's amazing to see what one might have missed during all this time, thanks for putting it out there!
On a sidenote (since it has a little relevance to the topic at hand): Just yesterday I was leveling on my fresh tauren druid in Mulgore; feeling a little explorative I ventured (lol) into the Venture Co. Mine a little further than I usually do since I would normally just take care of the quest mob not too far into the mine and then immediately head back so I can finally get on my way to the Barrens.. I was amazed at how far the mine actually stretches into the mountain, it is really well crafted for an early level cave. There is nothing to gain here, no quest objective or anything, so I guess that probably not many people have taken the time to explore further into the mine. There is actually another exit at the far end of the tunnels that leads to a plateau near red rocks, another area I've never been to. There is also an engineering trainer there. It felt really rewarding to find all this, especially since I didn't expect to find anything noteworthy and was merely curious.
In any case, sorry about the extended storytime, I just felt like sharing :)
@Moegdal possibly a topic for a part 2 ? ;)
Thanks a lot mate. I'm very glad you liked the video :) That's a great story, and I had absolutely no idea there was an engineering trainer up that way - that's pretty crazy. I would have been very amazed if I had discovered it myself as well, and it definitely seems like the extra time you took to explore the cave was worth it - that's awesome! I have actually thought about making a video about the different types of unique caves that exist. A lot of " cave types" are re-used many times throughout the game, but I think there are quite a few that are unique and only used once - I would have to look into that. Maybe it could be combined with the "overlooked / skipped" topic like you mention - I think it's a good idea and thanks a lot for sharing your story!
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 Glad you liked the story! I find what you said about the unique caves interesting, since I also wondered whether or not this type of cave is unique as I couldn't recall that layout from anywhere else (at least to my knowledge). Also considering that there is another exit point at a specific location (which leads to the plateau above red rocks) makes me question the likelyhood of this cave being used anywhere else. I find it very possible that this is the only cave created this way, which dumbfounded me since this is a cave in a starter zone for which the game doesn't even provide enticement for players to explore it all.
Oh and also I would very much like to see other unique caves that might be out there :)
@@s0ryn18 I remember listening to some podcast with old Blizzard developer John Staats who made a lot of the caves in Vanilla/Classic WoW where he specifically mentions the mine in Mulgore and brings up a point about it being too big for a starting zone or something like that. I think it was a Countdown To Classic podcast.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 I guess he has a point there, it was pretty vast :O
Thanks i was wondering lately how wow was doing. And wanted to see some old dungeons again. Back when wow was still kicking. Thanks ^^
My pleasure completely! I'm happy you enjoyed the video :-)
Another cool video! Thanks
Awesome to hear mate :) Thank you!
Awesome video!
Thanks a lot man! Hope you found it interesting :)
I'm glad you mentioned that boss from SFK cause I was wondering what happened to it in Classic xD
Hopefully we will see it with the event leading up to the release of Naxxramas. If there's no Scourge Invasion, I will be very disappointed.
Have you seen the bridges that go above the path inside the "boars head" entrance to razorfen downs? Just before the instance portal. There is a path I still haven't walked yet from 1K needles where Arnak Grimtotem is that leads to that bit above the path to the instance portal. I will check it out on my 60 later.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about and I just checked it out. It's pretty cool and you can go up and look out through the eyes of the "boar". The path from Arnak Grimtotem will not take you straight to the area above the path to the instance portal as far as I can tell. Apparently it just ends behind one of the regular huts in the pre-instance area (before you even enter through the boars mouth).
In my experience the efficient runs are usually better because the chance of group members having to leave before the dungeon is finished esp for the tank or healers. Get in and out and if there's time then you can do multiple runs if time allows is usually best.
Great & interested vid thanks! 2 more items with +attack power vs beasts drop from Houndmaster Loksey in SM, a staff with +60 & leather gloves with +30. A hunter or warrior with both plus the bow/gun would be quite something, situationally of course.
Thanks - glad you liked it! Yeah, those are some great beast attack power items as well - the staff especially can be incredible! It could be fun to make the ultimate beast attack power set kind of like you suggest.
In shadowfang keep, there used to be a quest in the not used area. Belive it was for a profesion or mage class in clasic. Only remeber strugeling alot to get to the q item in that area.
That's very interesting. I have no idea what quest you are referring to, but if you remember the name I would love to know it!
Another fairly overlooked area is the Viewing Room in Scholomance. Although groups have to run through this room in order to reach Ras Frostwhisper and Darkmaster Gandling, I have never seen any groups actually stop to clear the Viewing Room of all its trash and 2 bosses. Also, I think if you accidentally attack a mob in the Viewing Room, every mob in the room goes from neutral to hostile similar to the Grim Guzzler in BRD.
Yep, I agree with you on that one although you do pass through the Viewing Room everytime you do the last parts of Scholomance like you say - it's a bit different. The thing I like the most about it perhaps is that you can get a bit anxious when you're going through it - you don't want to press any wrong spell button. The cultist guys all have a dialogue option as well, but I think most people think speaking to them will make them hostile. The room definitely has a lot of cool flavor to it.
I kill houndmaster like half the time in BRD. I was surprised when you mentioned him, I thought for sure you were going to say Bael'gar.. He's kind of out of the way, and the trash leading up to him is some of the hardest in the entire dungeon despite being such an early boss that doesn't drop much good stuff.
I think part of it is alliance/horde. Alliance tend to pre-clear the area around houndmaster before the escort anyway, so while they do they it's just a 'oh hey, there's the houndmaster, lets get him, I want his cloak' thing that happens every time you do jailbreak.
Looking back, it seems like the Houndmaster maybe shouldn't have been included in the video. I think I based a lot of my judgement off private server experiences where I don't feel like the Houndmaster was ever very popular. There might be a difference between the factions like you suggest, and I think the heavy emphasis on dungeon grinding in Classic in the first parts of BRD specifically probably had a lot to say in the Houndmaster maybe gaining some popularity. I didn't dungeon grind while leveling myself.
A big secret dungeon place id like to know is the section in mauradon passed the goblin boss. It’s a bridge guarded by multiple stone giants paired together, which is why people skip it. I’m still yet to see what is passed the bridge and into a massive room.
I'm not very familiar with Maraudon either, to be honest, but maybe you're thinking about the stone giant boss, Landslide? I haven't taken him down in Classic, but I did on another server. Actually, I haven't done Maraudon once in Classic yet.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 No not landslide, i'm talking about the section after
Tinkerer Gizlock. The section at the bottom right of the map when you google the floor plan of the dungeon. It says there is a lunar festival quest NPC called Elder Splitrock.
@@MrDoogz007 I see it. Yeah, pretty sure I've never been there either. Seems like a weird spot to place an NPC like Elder Splitrock, but at least you're using some of the space.
The hound master was a bit of a shock for me. When I leveled my first character in classic I used to do all the bosses I could before I needed the shadowforge key over and over again from level 51-54.
Ah, yeah, I guess it's hard to make a completely objective list, and I might have a view on Grebmar that is different to a lot of other people. He definitely drops some good items, but I've always skipped him. If you've grinded BRD for multiple levels I can totally see why you would have taken him down a lot of times. I haven't grinded dungeons like that myself in Classic.
When Vanilla was current content we did the houndsmaster all the time since he's right after roccor. I suppose now everything needs to be optimised people just skip him instead.
@@bamboebahr2470 Yeah, I think the gaming culture has changed a lot since 2004-2005, and in WoW I think people have a more min-max mindset today with a high focus on efficiency.
There's just a lot more information available too. Back in Vanilla people killed all the bosses because no one knew exactly what they could drop :p
@@bamboebahr2470 Probably the most important point yes.
Those "bad gloves" from uldaman are actually the best tanking gloves a warrior can get until endgame dungeons if the bear or tiger stats procs.
They were even considered a "ghetto" pre-raid bis in phase 1 if you couldn't get the best ones.
They can definitely be a reasonably strong pair of gloves and nice to have for tanking dungeons. If you're a warrior leveling that way they are more powerful than I give them credit.
If you're leveling solo, however, I don't think they're that attractive, and one of the drawbacks is that you have to hope you get a good random enchantment.
Hmm it's so interesting to see it and i understand a few things. When i was leveling we really cleared everything even did plenty full BRD runs killing really every single boss. But now i get why people were so happy when i made a group and asked what are we killing and i just said it's a full run every boss will be killed (all these dungeons your mentioned). The RFK boss well that's i really did only when a warrior needed it but there were few times when they wanted it so we killed it ofc. The SFK yea basically never did seen it but really nothing there which is unfortunate.
As for Houndmaster Grebmar, he might be less overlooked than I initially thought. With all the dungeon spamming that we ended up seeing in Classic and in this case in BRD in the first part of the dungeon, I guess more people got to experience him. I didn't really think of that too much before I made the video since I didn't do many dungeons while leveling myself. Still, I think it was fine to include him.
This Danish accent is unmistakable - have a like and a sub
Thank you :D Hope you enjoyed the video!
I did :)
Great to hear :)
theres a chest spawn in that sfk room, got a shadowfang way back in the day there after checking it out of curiosity after a run
luckily there wasnt anyone there to contest
Wow, that must have been awesome getting a Shadowfang from there! I didn't know the chests could drop dungeon specific gear so that's pretty cool.
What about all the little shops in strat undead? I've always thought they're might be a chest or rare in them but none of the groups I've been in have ever been interested in looking.
I haven't really ever paid attention to them myself, and I don't think a lot of people have. In that way, they are definitely overlooked, and I don't know if they hide any secrets.
Hi there. Nice video. But i just wanna add some diferent perspective from someone that has been playing the game since 2004:
Those areas you mention as "overlooked" were not realy that overlooked back then. Some because we did not know the best, most optimal routes, others because they are actualy useful for some other stuff. Im gonna give some examples:
The uldaman back entrance was heavily utilized for people doing "enchanting trainer runs", as it gives u a way shorter path to the area where the hidden enchanting trainer is. The area with the small golem boss, i remember having to visit it for some quests, and would end up killing the boss because we were there already.
The BRD area with the hound boss, we used to kill him regularly because we needed to kill the rock boss very often, the one that patrols around that area, and the drops were useful for the hunters in our guild.
The area in Shadowfang Keep, i remember my very 1st run back then, is the path we took. Then we learned there was a boss in the dinner area. What happens with that area, is that Blizzard sadly forgot to add something there, like a boss or something... honestly, after you learn the dungeon layout, you'll see there is literaly no reazon to clear that hallway... theres a boss in the kitchen and a boss in the dinner room... why would you go the other way around? Is just poor design imo. They should have added more quests or a boss for that part of the dungeon, because it IS realy unique! And is not that people don't know that area, is just that we know there is no reazon for us to go there.
Hello, thanks for sharing your perspective! I realize how we play the game has evolved a lot, and that most of the areas I mention in the video were probably viewed (much) differently back when WoW was first released like you suggest yourself. People didn't know the dungeons as well, and I also think the gaming culture was different with less of the min-max approach that we see today. Also, you might not even agree that the areas I mention in the video are overlooked today, but our view on and approach to dungeons have definitely changed.
Oh i agree those areas are now much less visited, if not totaly ignored, But that happened only way after releaze when people had learned the optimal routes. Is something that is bound to happen.
A more reazon example, in retail, we have this timewalking events, where you revisit old dungeons and get scaled down to the appropiate level. When the cata timewalking event comes out, the dungeon Throne of Tides has 1 boss that NOONE ever does. The reazon is that, without the quest for him anymore, the path to him is extremely dificult. the bos itself is hard, and noone needs his crappy drops.
Is always gonna happen.
In vanilla Maraudon, people used to choose the purple side with the satyrs instead of the green one with the oozes, and the green side was pretty much abandoned until later on, when they improved the boss drops and when the nature resistant gear became necesary for AQ, there were a couple drops in that side that were good because of the resistance they had. Man, i remember when we got the staff to just go straight to Princess Theradrass, noone wanted to do purple or green side.
@@josejuanandrade4439 Yeah, I guess it is bound to happen. Once people familiarize themself with a certain dungeon they know where and how to get what they want from it, and they are not going to spend time on something they dont need. Maraudon probably has some overlooked areas that could have been included in the video as well :D
Back in vanilla (or atleast on the server I played on) there were certain routes that was set in stone when going in an instance.
I think I never went down in the crypts of scholomance, since nobody wanted to go down there.
Most people didn't even know what was down there, only that it was the incorrect route.
Yeah, I think those "meta" or "go-to" routes started to pop up when people got more familiar with the different dungeons. I think it might be even worse today where people are more fixated on min-maxing the different parts of the game, and they want to be as efficient as possible.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 I feel it is actually better now than before since now people actually knows what is down the alternate routes since we have access to a lot more info.
So group member might go down there if they know it might drop an upgrade, quest, rare, etc.
Or if they know it is only a small detour for a boss they might do it for fun.
But back in the day when we didn't have access to that much info then taking a detour out of curiosity could result in an hour waste of time which usually resulted in a group disband.
Imagine taking a wrong turn in ST or BRD without the access to maps, boss drops/location, etc.
@@warhammerguy I agree it is better from a time wasting perspective - although the exploration aspect of going down a "wrong" road in a dungeon might be fun in itself. When I say it is worse I mean in terms of how fixated people are on running dungeons in certain ways where I think people are less "tolerant" of alternate dungeon routes today compared to back in Vanilla.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 i really dislike in ahn kahet everyone skips funus boss. like hes on map but not even a bonus objective.
@@kyleellis9177 Damn, it's been a long time since I've run through that dungeon and I don't remember much from it. You would think Blizzard would have become better in the later expansions at making all parts of a dungeon matter to at least a reasonable degree, but maybe not, hehe.
I loved running the more rare or obscure/long dungeons in vanilla.... I played a prot warr to tank which made it easier to make a group and would just spam lfg for a dungeon. BFD, RFK/D, SM, MARA, Scholo, I'm surprised you didn't mention Maradon or Dire Mall, those were really big long complicated dungeons that people would not run as much, or stick thru the whole run. I could usually find a group for a full MARA clear tho, to get people that scepter quest which let u port for the "princess runs". Mara takes a long time but gave some real good loot and xp. I am kinda surprised that the dungeons groups in OP's video were rushing and skipping mobs cause I remember groups taking their time and clearing in vanilla. I would always try to clear atleast, but also would run into people who had never ran that dungeon before, and also just people who had time to kill and we could do the whole thing for loot or xp... I think esp the lower lvl 10-55 dungeons where people still needed xp to lvl it was easier to get them to full clear (if everyone had the patience for wipes and stuff lol) Those were good times, really felt like exploring a new world.
Playing a tank makes it much easier to find groups indeed and you choose where to go (more or less :D) so that's a big positive. People definitely play Classic WoW differently today compared to back in 2004-2006 both because we know more about the game, but I also think people have more of a min-max mentality. Dire Maul and Maraudon probably have some "overlooked" areas as well, but I'm honestly not very familiar with them which might have to do with the fact that I haven't done the dungeons in their entirety and - like you say - that you often skip a lot of parts of them (the exact topic of the video). If I decide to do a part 2 I'll have to look into those dungeons more.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 Yea, I figured with everyone knowing where to go that they just rush thru the dungeons. That is too bad, as it seems like you really have an appreciation for the lore and exploration element of the dungeons... and would have some fun with a group of players who like to take their time and really clear out the dungeons. I look forward to a second video from you where you go over some more dungeons, it was nice to look back and remember some of the more obscure locations in classic dungeons. I would def recommend checking out maradon if you haven't before, it is a huge dungeon but I loved it because you go thru like 3-4 different types of enviornments with a variety of different creatures and mob types in each sub zone, and so much to explore with tons of good loot.
@@Rohan_Trishan If there's just one group member who is in a hurry for whatever reason it's hard to move in a slower tempo. If you're in a group of five friends or something it can be much easier to take your time and be more relaxed. I have done Maraudon a bit but I will probably try to explore it more thoroughly in the future.
some good stuff.
Thanks mate!
What about the ZF area after the hydra boss? I’ve never gone there
That's a good one as well. It's another example of a dungeon like Razorfen Kraul where you have the option to go left or right at the end of that first, long road coming from the instance portal, and people always go to the right. Going left instead will take you to the area I think you're referring to, and I can't remember / don't know how it looks either.
Elevated Redd going left takes you to the hydra area. It is nothing special, it’s like any other place in the dungeon
Watching this after I just tanked an Ulda and went to get this guy two people mentioned not knowing he was there haha
Oh, that's great to hear, hehe. That's the mark of an overlooked boss right there in my opinion :D
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I've killed stone keeper every single time haha, ita not a detour imo
And the fire hardened hauberk is great to keep in your bag and pop just before an important raid boss pull at any level.
Everyone has different experiences. I've only killed the Stone Keeper one time that I can remember (the kill you see in the video), but I haven't ran Uldaman all too many times either. The Hauberks are pretty good used the way you suggest, and I should have mentioned it in the video if I had known / thought about it earlier.
Hello guys, people will take the way to get to da choppaaaaaaag :p your accent is awesome
Thanks :D Glad you like it!
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in the SFK there was also a boss during the scourge invasion
Yeah, I mention it in the video :-)
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 oh then i overheard it :)
@@phugyeah1585 Happens to the best of us!
This guys voice is so samn cool and relaxing.
Thanks a lot!
the temple hall mobs drop one of the most expensive weapons in the game, that alone makes it worth doing
I assume you're referring to the Pendulum of Doom. When you check on Classic Wowhead, the only type of mob in the Temple Hall that has been recorded to drop the Pendulum is the Stone Steward which there aren't that many of. The dwarves might drop it as well - I don't know - but at least it's not shown as part of their loot table on Wowhead. They do at least drop a lot of other cool rares, however.
Left or WAIGHT?
8:57 that poor poor civilian :*(
Hehe, he fell victim to an impulsive Fire Blast.
Trxpådindame LOL :D
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Eyy Skullflame server I see
Yes! That is where I'm leveling currently.
@@moegdalswowvideos6800 Nice! It's a good server. Jeremi, Kyndred and Amerog are all members of my guild (from the Uldaman part)
@@BeatsByPento Oh, that's pretty cool. Cheers!
it zero dungen finder in wow classic so it call Instans
That danish accent is too thicc
Are you danish ?
Yes :-)
GIT TO DA CHOPPA
are you trying to sound like Arnold Schwarzenegger or you REALLY have speech like that ?
No, the only thing I'm trying is to be clear in my speech so you can hear what I'm saying.
Moegdal's WoW Videos keep going with the vids and you will improve you speekings skills fast :) i myself have a „strong“ english ^^
@@benjijagermeister2956 Thank you man for the encouraging words :-)
Din accent er behaglig
Mange tak skal du have :)
How the hell do you talk with your stomach like that?