No one seems to remember what ACTUALLY killed Concorde as a commercial venture, and it had nothing to do with the technical limitations of the airframe. Everyone seems to have forgotten that what killed Concorde and made the airline industry uninterested in supersonic passenger services. It was the physical realities of operating a supersonic aircraft regularly over built up population centres, the result is regular sonic booms which residents over a wide geographical area will experience and complain about. This is NOT speculation, this is exactly what happened with Concorde. The only solution was to limit the airplanes speed when inside national borders, which obviously kills your core feature, it also makes the service less viable as it imparts higher fuel cost due to inefficient engine use in the subsonic phase. Not only that, but it makes internal USA flights a total non-starter as you'd never get a chance to go SS, making an airframe even less commercially viable. Concorde used to take off from UK, fly sub-sonic until outside UK borders then accelerate to SS, sprint across the Atlantic, slow down at us coast and go sub-sonic over US territory to land ........... reverse order to get back to uk. Obviously this is stupidly inefficient in an airframe designed to go SS =bad financial returns This is what killed Concorde COMMERCIALLY. I don't see how this issue changes with a newer airframe design, the supersonic no fly over built-up areas must be even more of an issue by now as urban sprawl has exploded. There is no wizbang tech that can mitigate the entirely physics based process of the propagation through the air of a sonic boom .... that is always going to be an issue for any SS passenger. Am neither an industry insider nor an aeronautical engine, but I am a bit of an aeronautical nerd, what I am saying here is just 100% based on the little I know of the actual historical record regarding Concorde. How good the airframe is never was the problem ...... The problem is where we put AIRPORTS!!!! And they are all in the same locations and types of locations they were when Concorde was operating........ Thanks for listening peeps 👍
It’s an investment scam from the beginning and obvious to most aviation geeks. There haven’t been any breakthrough in engine tech, aerodynamics design, sonic boom reduction that would make it commercially viable
Wasn't the booms. It was just how loud the engines were. Airliners are already pretty loud but the Concorde was obnoxiously loud. People didn't want it at their airports
The XB1 is, according to Booms own timeline, 6 years behind schedule. How many decades behind schedule is the far more complex Overture going to be? Their engine partners still don't have a viable blueprint for an engine that meets the requirements Boom has declared. Yet according to Boom, the Overture will be flying in service within the next 6 years... Boom was touting supersonic flights for $100 a couple of years back... Now they are talking about a couple of thousand dollars. That sums it up. A continual stream of improbable and impossible claims, later scaled back to fit reality. I hope I am wrong, but this seems to me to be the aeronautical version of the Fyre festival.
fake it until you make it. talk to elon and his a banana to space all the projects that had "it will be ready next year" few thousand per ticket isnt really a problem. first class cost that much already. and if it will be much faster. yeah sure. but it really needs the reach they promised, otherwise its dead
Be interesting to see if there is any further influence built in from NASA's X-59 sonic boom reduction research aircraft - it could be make or break commercially for passenger services.
god speed, as someone who has to cross 2 continents and an ocean to visit my family, it really pisses me off that planes like Concord aren't widely available today.
Maybe question your life choices. Imagine if a majority of human had to cross oceans to visit their family on a regular basis. Doesn't make sens and unsustainable.
I am curious about the timeline for Boom Supersonic's IPO approval and the potential financial outcomes for its executives, including Blake Scholl and other stakeholders. Once the IPO is greenlit, it will be interesting to observe how the stock performance devolves, particularly if early investors and insiders capitalize on their stock options. Then they can quietly let the stock price fall into obvilion while they diligently move on to their next big scam.
the question is is there really an international market for business travel thats really robust in the future or will telepresence robotics and or vr eat that up instead... were thinking of the future here. certainly cheaper if they can make that happen is a game changer regardless of tech. they better not lose the electrical system as the pilots will have no way to see whats happening. they better build a faraday cage around their electrical gear
This is magnificent. Yes, Concorde was a failure and only lasted as long as it did due to national prestige on the part of the UK and France. Yet human achievement is not undertaken by succumbing to failure. We overcome it, try again, and ultimately succeed. This aircraft has a readymade market and certainly it will have a number of military applications as well.
The military already have supersonic aircraft, and the civilan market really doesn't exist, as the potential routes and demographics are small, and constantly decreasing.
Yeah!! ..mixed with partial Concordian Cresent Delta winds, the TSR2's Fuz' crossed with an enlarged Hornet Main-Forward Fuz' and the Intakes of an A3/R5 Vigilante together shades of Hornet & F-111 Aardvark underWing side Fuz' positioning... and I guess an above fuz centralized buried NACA(?) intake for the central tail engine ?
Sadly 99% of us will probably never get to fly on one as you can be certain the costs will be more than business class seats. Though if they could extend the range to fly the 12,000km from Sydney to LAX it might be worth the cost.
unless it can fly overland it won't be profitable enough to be wide scale and the tree huggers will never allow that!!! they're just pissing into the wind and wasting money on a pipe dream!!
I would guess suoercruise is directly necessary if they want any kind of fuel efficiency. Seems likely to have afterburner for takeoff, and then superceuise while at altitude.
Nothing about the cockpit is any more groundbreaking than a modern business jet. I may be wrong, but I honestly can't see a big market for a fuel guzzling CRJ except in the extreme high end of business travelers and at that I can't see masses of these aircraft crossing the oceans. The best I see for this concept is a super sonic biz jet for billionaires to try to outdo each other with. Personally when they IPO I'm going to take some long positions aimed at when the investor money runs out and the founders of this company cut and run. There is definitely a put option opportunity here as this is a classic venture capital stock scam.
Kind of odd then that there is so much interest in it. Even from Northrop. It's like you just heard what you wanted to hear and formed your own opinion without looking into it any further.
We so don't need civil supersonic planes in our times. We need to take care of the environment. We only have one planet to live on, and it will remain l-the case for an extremely long time.
If there was any real reason we needed supersonic passenger jets, Airbus and Boeing would have already done it. Its giving a startup for the sake of a startup vibe, but maybe I just have very low threshold for bs, so who knows, hope I'm wrong.
This seems more like a sponsored content bit than your normal output. That being written, how are they gonna get over the fact that this is not the first time a commercial airliner has tried to get regulatory approval to fly over the US? That was the biggest hold up in the 60s when the test flights were going over populated areas. There were constant complaints because of the sonic booms and as a result no military aircraft, i.e. the Concorde could only go supersonic until well over the Atlantic.
Deign the body and intake similar to that of the YF-23 and use super cruise to save fuel and money. The bottom is already close. They just need a little tweak for wave riding.
What's the big deal? Fighter planes have been going supersonic since 1950s. Single seat demonstrator for commercial airliner? what a dumb concept, what is that supposed to prove?
I agree but I'm guessing they are testing the theoretical reduction in sonic boom defused buy the wings leading edge profile so it can fly overland which the concorde was not allowed to.
The big deal is going supersonic without the sonic boom, which will free airlines from being restricted from supersonic overland flights and, therefore, open up more business opportunities. The Concorde failed in business because of the limited flight routes due to the sonic boom issue that got it banned from flying supersonic over land.
Yeah yeah he okay here's the question how much is it going to cost to people to fly in a supersonic jet instead of a regular airliner because I don't think the people are going to pay thousands of dollars just to get a couple of hours quicker well maybe unless if you're rich
Its always been about costs. Air France Flight 4590 didnt really kill of those types of planes. It was more the cost of running them. The tech to build these planes is old. Its nothing new.
Yeah, the crash was just another straw that broke the Camel's back. There were only 16 or 17 operating and the cost of maintenance and general daily operating economics were crippling for airlines at the end
oof... not really no. basically concorde had to use afterburner so the reach was super short. if this can supercruise than with much longer reach it can have much more potential routes. thats the thing they are selling. supercurise. it it cant supercruise it will fail big time.
The plane shown is a copy of a NASA test vehicle. It has nothing in common with the proposed transport. The concepts this plane is proving have already been shown by the NASA aircraft. This advances the transport hardly at all. They have no engines in the pipeline. This is a Nikola style fundraising grift.
No one seems to remember what ACTUALLY killed Concorde as a commercial venture, and it had nothing to do with the technical limitations of the airframe.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that what killed Concorde and made the airline industry uninterested in supersonic passenger services. It was the physical realities of operating a supersonic aircraft regularly over built up population centres, the result is regular sonic booms which residents over a wide geographical area will experience and complain about. This is NOT speculation, this is exactly what happened with Concorde.
The only solution was to limit the airplanes speed when inside national borders, which obviously kills your core feature, it also makes the service less viable as it imparts higher fuel cost due to inefficient engine use in the subsonic phase.
Not only that, but it makes internal USA flights a total non-starter as you'd never get a chance to go SS, making an airframe even less commercially viable.
Concorde used to take off from UK, fly sub-sonic until outside UK borders then accelerate to SS, sprint across the Atlantic, slow down at us coast and go sub-sonic over US territory to land ........... reverse order to get back to uk.
Obviously this is stupidly inefficient in an airframe designed to go SS =bad financial returns
This is what killed Concorde COMMERCIALLY.
I don't see how this issue changes with a newer airframe design, the supersonic no fly over built-up areas must be even more of an issue by now as urban sprawl has exploded.
There is no wizbang tech that can mitigate the entirely physics based process of the propagation through the air of a sonic boom .... that is always going to be an issue for any SS passenger.
Am neither an industry insider nor an aeronautical engine, but I am a bit of an aeronautical nerd, what I am saying here is just 100% based on the little I know of the actual historical record regarding Concorde.
How good the airframe is never was the problem ...... The problem is where we put AIRPORTS!!!!
And they are all in the same locations and types of locations they were when Concorde was operating........
Thanks for listening peeps 👍
It’s an investment scam from the beginning and obvious to most aviation geeks. There haven’t been any breakthrough in engine tech, aerodynamics design, sonic boom reduction that would make it commercially viable
@@Peizxcvyou both are wrong, but of course welcome to think whatever you want to.
@@99kitfox You should probably make a counter argument when you say "you both are wrong"....
@@amamdawhatever i know i was waiting for one.
Wasn't the booms. It was just how loud the engines were. Airliners are already pretty loud but the Concorde was obnoxiously loud. People didn't want it at their airports
If the F-5 and F-104 had a child... The Overture looks like a son of B-58.
WOW! I got a TSR2 vibe in the flare !
Looks a bit like a scaled-up Hustler with the engine nacelles.
To me it looks like the Boeing w707 the plane boeing was gonna build to compete with the Concord.
@@conneroliver5001 The SST from the 70s? Yeah, I can see the resemblance.
yeah, the long engine nacelles with the shock spikes and the long landing gear is very much B-58 in looks, especially from the back. - totally agree.
Just like with stealth fighters there are certain layouts that just work. Form follows function.
A cross between concord and the tsr2😊
The XB1 is, according to Booms own timeline, 6 years behind schedule.
How many decades behind schedule is the far more complex Overture going to be?
Their engine partners still don't have a viable blueprint for an engine that meets the requirements Boom has declared.
Yet according to Boom, the Overture will be flying in service within the next 6 years...
Boom was touting supersonic flights for $100 a couple of years back... Now they are talking about a couple of thousand dollars. That sums it up. A continual stream of improbable and impossible claims, later scaled back to fit reality.
I hope I am wrong, but this seems to me to be the aeronautical version of the Fyre festival.
fake it until you make it. talk to elon and his a banana to space all the projects that had "it will be ready next year" few thousand per ticket isnt really a problem. first class cost that much already. and if it will be much faster. yeah sure. but it really needs the reach they promised, otherwise its dead
It’s an investment scam targeting Middle East countries that want to diversify their economies
I'm watching Mojave Airport in the back ground. Those turbines are on Tehachapi mountain.
I grew up in Mojave from 1984 to 1992.
Be interesting to see if there is any further influence built in from NASA's X-59 sonic boom reduction research aircraft - it could be make or break commercially for passenger services.
god speed, as someone who has to cross 2 continents and an ocean to visit my family, it really pisses me off that planes like Concord aren't widely available today.
Maybe question your life choices. Imagine if a majority of human had to cross oceans to visit their family on a regular basis. Doesn't make sens and unsustainable.
I like the gripen footage at 2:32 (coming from a swede)
I am curious about the timeline for Boom Supersonic's IPO approval and the potential financial outcomes for its executives, including Blake Scholl and other stakeholders. Once the IPO is greenlit, it will be interesting to observe how the stock performance devolves, particularly if early investors and insiders capitalize on their stock options. Then they can quietly let the stock price fall into obvilion while they diligently move on to their next big scam.
100%!!! I have always thought that this is a pump and dump.
the question is is there really an international market for business travel thats really robust in the future or will telepresence robotics and or vr eat that up instead... were thinking of the future here. certainly cheaper if they can make that happen is a game changer regardless of tech. they better not lose the electrical system as the pilots will have no way to see whats happening. they better build a faraday cage around their electrical gear
Very cool
Fantastic! What's next?
Time to start saving up for a ticket.😅
when he said 'that you and i can afford'...😆
So many people are hating on this thing and I don't know why. I think a step towards restarting supersonic civilian aviation is a great thing.
People hate it because it's *obviously* unviable, and they are just burning other people's money. it's the the worst possible GoFundMe scam.
This is magnificent. Yes, Concorde was a failure and only lasted as long as it did due to national prestige on the part of the UK and France. Yet human achievement is not undertaken by succumbing to failure. We overcome it, try again, and ultimately succeed. This aircraft has a readymade market and certainly it will have a number of military applications as well.
The military already have supersonic aircraft, and the civilan market really doesn't exist, as the potential routes and demographics are small, and constantly decreasing.
Kinda reminds me of the TSR 2.
Yeah!! ..mixed with partial Concordian Cresent Delta winds, the TSR2's Fuz' crossed with an enlarged Hornet Main-Forward Fuz' and the Intakes of an A3/R5 Vigilante together shades of Hornet & F-111 Aardvark underWing side Fuz' positioning... and I guess an above fuz centralized buried NACA(?) intake for the central tail engine ?
Sadly 99% of us will probably never get to fly on one as you can be certain the costs will be more than business class seats. Though if they could extend the range to fly the 12,000km from Sydney to LAX it might be worth the cost.
unless it can fly overland it won't be profitable enough to be wide scale and the tree huggers will never allow that!!! they're just pissing into the wind and wasting money on a pipe dream!!
I'd do it once just as a "bucket list" item
100% of us will never fly on this as it won’t happen. So don’t feel too bad.
Very good video. One question: are the engines afterburners, or is the idea for it to be super cruise?
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I would guess suoercruise is directly necessary if they want any kind of fuel efficiency. Seems likely to have afterburner for takeoff, and then superceuise while at altitude.
What routes will it be flying where sonic boom suddenly no longer matters?
The Cube's law it might be difficult to achieve
The Chinese supposedly Stealth 3 engine set-up looks very similar.
With the XB setup, with the right design. They could easily super cruise up to mach 2.0. That would beat the F-22.
The question is will it have a sonic boom as a passenger air liner.
Does it have an ejection seat?
Nothing about the cockpit is any more groundbreaking than a modern business jet. I may be wrong, but I honestly can't see a big market for a fuel guzzling CRJ except in the extreme high end of business travelers and at that I can't see masses of these aircraft crossing the oceans. The best I see for this concept is a super sonic biz jet for billionaires to try to outdo each other with. Personally when they IPO I'm going to take some long positions aimed at when the investor money runs out and the founders of this company cut and run. There is definitely a put option opportunity here as this is a classic venture capital stock scam.
Kind of odd then that there is so much interest in it. Even from Northrop. It's like you just heard what you wanted to hear and formed your own opinion without looking into it any further.
Why is the flight engineer dude wearing sunglasses inside?
We so don't need civil supersonic planes in our times. We need to take care of the environment. We only have one planet to live on, and it will remain l-the case for an extremely long time.
Need to change the name of the company. Boom has too many negative connotations.
An investment scam: no new engine, no new way to damper sonic boom, no new aerodynamics trick to make the jet economical
If there was any real reason we needed supersonic passenger jets, Airbus and Boeing would have already done it. Its giving a startup for the sake of a startup vibe, but maybe I just have very low threshold for bs, so who knows, hope I'm wrong.
This seems more like a sponsored content bit than your normal output. That being written, how are they gonna get over the fact that this is not the first time a commercial airliner has tried to get regulatory approval to fly over the US? That was the biggest hold up in the 60s when the test flights were going over populated areas. There were constant complaints because of the sonic booms and as a result no military aircraft, i.e. the Concorde could only go supersonic until well over the Atlantic.
EWE WATT ?
So the captain has to be left handed and the first officer right handed?
All Airbus aircraft are that way as well.
Why London and New York again ? Why no supersonic flight from Tokyo to LA ? Or Singapore to LA ?
demonstrator is beautiful..........................still think they chose an unfortunate name ...............BOOOM ! really ?
They ought to add some anti AA missile tech on board, just in case.
3 and a half hours
Tickets will cost $20k
Deign the body and intake similar to that of the YF-23 and use super cruise to save fuel and money. The bottom is already close. They just need a little tweak for wave riding.
excuse me it's mamm
What's the big deal? Fighter planes have been going supersonic since 1950s. Single seat demonstrator for commercial airliner? what a dumb concept, what is that supposed to prove?
I agree but I'm guessing they are testing the theoretical reduction in sonic boom defused buy the wings leading edge profile so it can fly overland which the concorde was not allowed to.
Mock ups and demonstrators have always been a thing too guy
@@billylyman2950 it is supposed to reduce the boom felt on the ground
The big deal is going supersonic without the sonic boom, which will free airlines from being restricted from supersonic overland flights and, therefore, open up more business opportunities. The Concorde failed in business because of the limited flight routes due to the sonic boom issue that got it banned from flying supersonic over land.
Yeah yeah he okay here's the question how much is it going to cost to people to fly in a supersonic jet instead of a regular airliner because I don't think the people are going to pay thousands of dollars just to get a couple of hours quicker well maybe unless if you're rich
Meanwhile, heres this company.....for what
I wouldn't go over mach 2.2
Bof moi je n'y crois pas une seconde. Faire un petit appareil supersonique est une chose, faire un successeur à Concorde en est une autre.
Its always been about costs. Air France Flight 4590 didnt really kill of those types of planes. It was more the cost of running them. The tech to build these planes is old. Its nothing new.
Yeah, the crash was just another straw that broke the Camel's back. There were only 16 or 17 operating and the cost of maintenance and general daily operating economics were crippling for airlines at the end
oof... not really no. basically concorde had to use afterburner so the reach was super short. if this can supercruise than with much longer reach it can have much more potential routes. thats the thing they are selling. supercurise. it it cant supercruise it will fail big time.
The plane shown is a copy of a NASA test vehicle. It has nothing in common with the proposed transport. The concepts this plane is proving have already been shown by the NASA aircraft. This advances the transport hardly at all. They have no engines in the pipeline. This is a Nikola style fundraising grift.
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