Nintendo NES vs Atari 7800! 28 Games Compared!
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- There are at least 28 games that appeared on both the Atari 7800 and the NES/Famicom platforms. Which ones do I prefer? Let's do this...
Games Featured: 1942, Arkanoid, Ballblazer, Beef Drop, Burgertime, BonQ, Castelian, Choplifter!, Commando, Dig Dug, Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Froggie, Galaga, Ikari Warriors, Jordan vs. Bird One on One, Joust, Karateka, KLAX, Kung Fu, Kung Fu Master, Mario Bros, Ms. Pac-Man, One-on-One, Pac-Man, Pac-Man Collection, Popeye, Q*Bert, Rampage, Tower Toppler, Ultimate Frogger Championship, Winter Games, Xenophobe, Xevious.
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So I apparently messed up the scoring... Not to give it away, but the final score should be 11-15. Not really worth re-uploading just for that...
5 Minute History - Nintendo NES: ua-cam.com/video/k_oNjfOVB0E/v-deo.html
5 Minute History: The Atari 2600 ua-cam.com/video/H8vaXOKJxKQ/v-deo.html
10 Things You Don't Know About Atari: ua-cam.com/video/IPP-OBCxWMU/v-deo.html
Actually pal Dig Dug did come out for the NES, not just the Famicom, as did the less than impressive sequel for it.
What is interesting to see and to note, is what, the flickering on the NES. In some games is notorious the laziness of the programmers for the ATARI 7800, but also, the 7800 is clearly superior managing sprites without flickering. In fact, there are some games like karateka which are better on the ATARI XE, comparing with the 7800 version, but the 7800 is more powerful than the XE, sometimes, the developmet for the 7800 was not optimized.
@@ulisesgomezd.3405Absolutely. There are a LOT of games that were better on the 1979 Atari 8-bit computers and the 1982 Atari 5200 (which have the same ANTIC-controlled chipset as the entire 8-bit line (an 800’s CTIA GPU could be switched out for the newer GTIA that appeared in later 8-bit Atari computers, still several years before the NES or 7800). The 8-bit Ataris debuted in 1979 and included _the first graphic and audio coprocessors ever_ used in a retail computer, and that chipset was installed in the 5200.
Despite that the 7800 is a bigger number than the 800 or 5200, developers had worked with what were essentially 1979 Atari 400 computers actively for three years before the 5200 was even released, and so they knew well how to program it, as opposed to the NES and 7800, which (although the 7800 again used the near decade-old POKEY sound chip) both required learning the machines, from the ground up - and why the sound is usually the best part of the 7800’s games.
Not only that, but a large number of 5200 games had already been made, years earlier, and they were re-worked from the Atari 8-bit computer game cartridges to 5200 carts that _sometimes_ saw a slight upgrade or parts of the screen moved around (where the score was, etc.) but were generally re-made to take into account that the “Select,” “Option,” and “Start” buttons were on the 5200 controller, not the machine, itself - from _Pac-Man_ to _Ms. Pac-Man_ (which were awesome on the 5200 (especially as compared to the 2600 (ugh... )), to all four screens of Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong Jr. (which didn’t all make it onto the NES until its remake, around 1990, _Joust_ (especially considering the control mechanics that made your bird take awhile to screech to a halt, before turning the other way, as in the arcade) which is a flat-out better game on the 5200 than on BOTH the 7800 and NES - as is _Donkey Kong_ by Ocean,_ perhaps ironically. Mario Bros. is pretty much a draw, between the 5200 and the NES, with the 7800 being the worst of the three versions.
Overall, in terms of the consoles, themselves, the 7800 is the most powerful (as can be seen in the recent homebrew of _Popeye,_ - which isn’t a fair comparison, because of the time the 7800 was out, before the homebrew were made. However, the OG 8-bit/5200 _Popeye_ from three years earlier has as good of graphics and better sound than the NES game. _Popeye_ is another Nintendo game on Atari, BTW),is the most powerful, and the 5200 is more on-par with the NES. The 7800 programmers just sucked, as you mentioned - but who’s gonna put a lotta time into games for a system that sold 150,000 units, like the 7800? There’s a good reason Atari went _back to_ the 8-bit computer line for their next console, the XEGS, which was an Atari 65XE computer split into component parts - the computer machine/console, and the keyboard that allowed it to work like a 65XE, which was a better machine than the NES, from the start - and it already had over 1,000 games, when the XEGS hit shelves.
When it comes to computing power, Nintendo could never compete with Atari, which put out the 520ST computer the same time the NES was released (and was among the most advanced and coveted MIDI machines, becoming the first DAW, with Cubase, until nearly the 2000s), and which put out the 16-bit color Lynx that was in every way a better machine than the Game Boy, only months after the Game Boy-and SIX YEARS earlier than the 16-bit SEGA Nomad, based on their 1989 16-bit SEGA Genesis-and with _California Games_ that looked and played better than *any* version other than the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga computers.
However, when it comes to creative ways to play games, 1980s/1990s Ataris couldn’t hold a candle to the NES - which Nintendo made up for, by releasing R.OB., the biggest P.O.S. ever to be connected to a console (even if only physically, in the controller holder).
Really, the choice that Nintendo made to make the display resolution compatible to many arcade games (256 pixels across), and the ability to have sprites (and BG tiles) with 4 colors (while still being 8x8 tiles), across four active palettes, made for excellent arcade conversions.
The 7800 has a lot more flexibility in display resolutions (both 160 and 320 pixel modes, and a few variations of each, with their own distinct constraints), and the flexible display list method of outputting objects can surpass the 64 object limit in the OAM on the NES in certain cases, because you have a lot more control over what you can output. The 7800 also has a much larger color palette. :)
Lil' kid.. I dunno the !@#$ you just said. But your're special. You reached out and you grabbed me by the heart.
@@stmboat Why would you assume that they're little?
Another great comparison video. Joust is my favorite arcade game ever and the NES version, especially with 2 player, creates such a different experience. Some friends and I got crazy good at the bounce "physics" and at the high levels it became insanity.
I was really surprised by the 7800 versions of Ballblazer and 1942. Looks amazing. Thanks Greg!
NES Joust isn’t terrible, but it does feel a lot different than the 7800 version!
Great job as always, Greg. I think we agree on almost all of them.
So many great 7800 games and homebrews make this closer than it used to be!
Thanks. So many of them could have gone either way. There probably should have been more “draws!”
I’d like to see ColecoVision versus something. 🕹
I used to have both systems. It was still fun to play.
They both are…
You didn't have these homebrews that must have come years later.
Since we're mostly talking about arcade ports and we're judging based on arcade accuracy..... Why bother with any of these when you have MAME?
I had/have both. Got my 7800 before my NES and still continued to play 7800 regardless.
@@anonamatronWhat’s MAME?
@@SumDumGy If that's a serious reply I would google that ASAP.
Have you seen the Donkey Kong PK/XM 7800 homebrew? That one has tweaked graphics, Pokey chip sound, and all four screens.
No, I’ve only seen the 2600 homebrew.
This is the definitive version of Donkey Kong released for any home console. Definitely check it out!
Tower Toppler was known as Nebulous in the UK and was released on a lot of the micro computers. I've never heard of it being called Castellan.
Same. Never heard of Castellan. Nebulous was a great game on the Amiga.
Tower Toppler is the greatest, I let my nephews who are die hard gamers try it, they get a little upset, tell them they have to move before they need to move from the slight lag from controller to the monitor
For 7800 it uses something called "Artifact Color" .. as long as the system is un modded with original RF out, those lines in the walls completely dissapear and instead has nice color shading.
Also worth noting that Nintendo originally looked at the ColecoVision, and used its 9918 chip as a baseline for what they wanted in the PPU, basically doubling everything, number of sprites per line, number of total sprites, number of bits per tile, number of tiles that can be actively addressed, etc.
Nintendo management explicitly wanted to be able to do pixel perfect conversions of their current arcade hits (Donkey Kong, DK Jr, Popeye) onto the Famicom, so it's no surprise that their first three releases were pixel perfect renditions (with some gradient of perfect) of their arcade games.
I don’t even think I knew the 7200 existed until the UA-cam era. I never knew a single person who had one. Everyone I knew went directly from the 5200 to the NES. I personally had Colecovision with the Atari adapter, it still amazes me that even existed. Once we saw an NES, getting anything made by Atari was out of the question.
I have never known anyone in my life that owned a 5200. I jumped from Coleco/2600 to 7800 to NES, personally, but that was a choice - I could have had the Nintendo but was expecting a lot more out of the 7800 that it provided. I had no idea that it was a shelved, older system at the time.
If 7800 had come out when it was supposed to, it would have been much more of a competition here.
The Bentley Bear homebrew Crystal Quest shows that it could handle a Mario style platformer.
I feel like you broke a lot of hearts with your Commando comments! That's a title 7800 fans (at least on atariage) really like to hold over NES fans' heads.
Quick note on Xevious for the 7800: It’s the difficulty switch on the console that determines whether one button shoots both projectiles or a single shot. Maybe mess with the difficulty switch setting on your emulator, if that is supported.
7800 had the power to compete, but it would have been interesting to see what those homebrews would have looked like if they were officially made games when the system came out. I am pretty sure they would not have been as good due to programmers not understanding how to get the most of out the system. All in all I agree with your list, great job! I would have personally gone with the NES Pacman.
The Famicom/NES version of Arkanoid natively support a unique dedicated 'Vaus' paddle controller made by Taito that differs per region (Famicom version used 15-pin expansion port, NES standard controller port, supports just one other game Taito Chase HQ) and is practically required as later levels of both Arkanoid 1 and 2 are pretty much unplayable using standard d-pad.
The 7800 homebrew I think now supports the paddle controller that's available via 2600 backwards compatibility, but a control comparison between them is really needed for a decision on authenticity/playability of each to the arcade original that used a spinner.
Nice comparisons! Interesting that the 1942 Homebrew uses FM sound. I know that they put the Pokey chip into the cartridge itself on the games that used it, so maybe they did the same with a YM or OPL chip. I just wasn't aware that this was done. Pretty cool! They should do the same using the SID chip. ;)
I only knew one other name of tower toppler - that was nebulus (on C64). It seems to have had quite a few different names!
Great comparison video, it was awesome to see a bunch of homebrews in there. You'll have to include the recently revealed Bubble Bobble for Atari 7800 in your part 2! ;-)
Sounds good, maybe for an individual game comparison?
Maybe do a comparison between the Atari 7800, NES and Master System? I mean, Choplifter on the NES and Atari 7800 are quite decent, but the MS version is simply waayyy better. Double Dragon would have been interesting as well...
Great vid - thanks for all the time and effort you put into this! And hey - a comment from one of my fav podcasts - into the vertical blank! (Just check your score tally from Karatika into Klax. It… changes.)
Great comparison!!! The 7800 and the 5200 were underappreciated systems.
I had the 7800 as a kid. The reason we got it was because we lived in a very small city and you could order everything from the sears catalog. Plus it played alm the 2600 games. Then i went directly to the super nintendo. I took my 7800 to college with me.
28 mins in (up to Ms Pacman), have stuff to do now - but agreed on every single game so far! :) Subbed
LOL, you’re probably the only one!
The NES version of Commando was notorious for being incomplete. The 7800 version is the clear winner there. Also it has more of the in-between cutscenes and it also has the secret areas.
Sega Master System's Rambo was better than NES version too. Both Commando and Rambo were popular Schwarzenegger and Stallone shoot em ups .
Great video! I really enjoyed this! I didn't get to play a 7800 back in the day. It's nice to see how it would/could perform!
Good video overall and I agree with most of the choices. However, I am really dropping into this comment section to say props on still using your CUTTLE CART II! That is true dedication! My own CCII has moved into a safe retirement since the advent of the Concerto and Dragonfly but it saw many, many years of trustworthy and dedicated service up until that point. 😀
Man, I gotta get an Atari 7800. If you told me Ball Blazer was a Super Nintendo launch title meant to show off the pseudo 3D mode 7 style, I'd believe you for a second there.
Good comparisons, but I'd accept it more if you did more 1-1 comparisons; so many of the games compared are modern homebrews and not standard released games which downplays the authenticity of the comparisons.
Great content. Thank you for this! Very entertaining.
This was a cool post to watch. It was nice to see the 7800 hold up so well.
I have both systems, no doubt the 7800 could of done better if the system had been pushed more. But when you have games like Contra C, Gradius 2, Crisis force, Castlevania. All pushing mapper chip enhancements in the carts the Nes is the clear winner. Those games are amazing.
I'm sorry, but I can't see or hear about Ikari Warriors without thinking "Where did their hair go? Ooooo! Where did their hair go?"
Nice comparison. Thanks for this video.
The strength of the Atari 7800 was that it was supposed to be released about 3 years before it saw a wide release, and the NES wasn't even out in America at that time. Electronics Games magazine had a great multi-page article with photos of the Atari 7800 and some of the games. At the time, there was no home version of Galaga or Xevious and those were 2 hugely popular games and alone enough of a reason to buy a 7800, and the other games looked interesting too.The 7800 hardware sounded impressive had it come out on time.
The 7800 could have saved Atari if it had seen a wide release on time. Home computers and the out dated 2600 were killing Atari and Atari's own computers were too expensive (but great) vs a C-64. By the time of the NES in America, I already had an Amiga 1000 computer which blew away the NES, although way more expensive in 1985 and the Amiga was really in the lineage of the Atari 2600 & 8 bit Atari home computers designed by some of the same people.
The NES games as said are often dull in color. Being an older teenager by the time of the NES and a huge fan of visiting the arcades, I found often the kinds of games targeting little kids on the NES unappealing to me and it was my love of home arcade ports why I liked Atari's stuff generally, up until Atari got sold that is.
I think the American version of the 7800 controller was way better than the NES controller. That was enough of a reason not to like the NES. D-Pads are terrible.
Oh yeah, that Electronic Game Article on 7800 made us want it so bad and we got it in X-Mas 1986, before we even knew what an NES was =)
The 7800 was a great system with a lot of untapped potential. Atari could never get out of their “arcade game” style mindset though.
@@GregsGameRoom I'm glad, because the arcade style mindset was totally what I was into, and 45+ years later, is still what I'm totally into.
But the biggest problem with the Atari 7800 was, by the time it got a decent release too many years too late, the real Atari was dead and the new Atari was very unlike the original Atari. Everything was just leftover and would have been great if released on time.
Great video
When I was a kid in the late 80s everyone had a NES. However, I had a NES and a 7800 so my friends would always come over and want to play my 7800.😅
I have this video on my watch list..looking forward to viewing this!
Thanks, hopefully not too many surprises…
Great video. I am still amazed how good 7800 looks. Come to realize the Nes has terrible color pallet. I am thinking your emulator was stretching your games I just play on my orginal hardware using rf to my crt and they were not stretch vs nes.
Unfortunately I don't have everdrive cart like for my nes so I only have ms pac man and dig dug to compare and they were not that stretch on my crt
I remember back when I was a kid, and for Christmas one year my one BIG 🎁present🎁 was the Atari 2600. Then a while after I got the Atari 5200 for a 🎁🎁present🎁🎁. I loved the Real Sports Series. ⚾️🧢Baseball🧢⚾️ and 🏈🏉Football🏉🏈 were my favorites. Then another Christmas a few years later my Mom and Dad had gotten a divorce, but they actually remarried. Anyways they got me the Nintendo NES for a 🎄Christmas🎄🎁present🎁. I remember playing Mario and losing my mind! Then I popped in Duck Hunt and for the next few hours my Dad showed my his skills as a duck hunter and we had a blast! We had so much fun that night. Again a little while after that, my Dad and I had stopped at Toys R Us. I wanted to pick up a game. My Dad ended up buying the Atari 7800 for himself, which he rarely played unless I was there. It was a way for my Dad "ask" me to spend more time with him. We had a few issues earlier in our lives. Alcoholism was the main issue, but he was my Dad. I ended up taking care of him, once after he went in for the last rehab stint, he ended up in a coma for over 2½ weeks. I helped him to regain his walking abilities. The other was the last one. He was diagnosed with inoperable and terminal lung cancer. I had long since forgiven him and those months we spent after he got his walking ability back, we spent the summer playing Mini-Golf. The last 18 months we spent watching Baseball, and every minute was special! Games were a huge part of my life growing up. My Mom learned how to play Tetris on the Nintendo Gameboy and she ended up beating my High Score. She actually got extremely good at it. Games, both Arcade and Home consoles were again a major part of my life, but my FAMILY was the most important part of my life. Thankfully the two overlapped a few times and it gave me some epic memories!
The biggest problem that Atari had back then was Jack Tramiel, when he took charge of the company, all the plans that Atari had for the 7800 were put on hold, and it was not until he saw the success of the NES when he tried to do something, but he did everything in the most clumsy way and saving money as much as possible. If the Atari 7800 had come out in 1984 as Atari had planned (including the pokey chip in every cartridge) the story would have been very different.
Why the 7800 version in 16:9 stretched video vs 4:3 of the NES?
Just the ProSystem emulator default.
Good stuff. It is a tough call to compare the new unofficial "ports" being put up against a 40 year old game. I think the emulator you are using for the 7800 makes the graphics look much blockier. Ms. Pacman, Commando, etc... Just don't look like that on my real 7800. They are substantially better.
Even when I was using an 7800 emulator, some of the games didn't look like they did in this video. I know there are a couple 7800 emulators out there; maybe he was using a different one than I've used, or didn't have it configured properly.
It warms my heart to see that the 7800 being shown to at least being capable of holding it's own in the hands of a good programmer. Yes, the NES game's library is far superior. Nintendo's MMC chips and better optimized hardware meant the NES was usually more powerful in practice. We never saw anything on the 7800 like Mega Man 2, Mario 3, Contra, etc. (Although I'm pretty sure Food Fight, Robotron 2084, and Asteroids would have choked the NES to death since pushing a lot of sprites at the same time on a single screen was the 7800's biggest strength.) Where the 7800 really kicks NES ass is hardware reliability. The 7800 shell is made of cheap plastic but the hardware underneath can stand the test of time if cared for. The front loading NES will stop working early and often thanks to it's shitty cartridge connector and 10NES crap.
I got an Atari 7800 for Christmas in '89. I had fun with it, but talk about being a let down when you see a big box at fhe height of Nintendo mania and you see the new Atari when you unwrap it lol
Yeah I bet! The one you see in the video is the original one I bought in 1988-ish. The NES I bought the next year.
@GregsGameRoom it certainly didn't help that I only ever had 3 games for it: Pole Position II, Ms Pac-Man and Mario Bros. All great games, but when my friends all have Punch Out, Zelda, Ninja Gaiden, etc, and I'm over here like "Wanna play Ms Pac-Man!?" it's a hard sell.
I remember seeing the 7800 at retail locations and really being interested. We owned a 5200/2600 prior so i was sort of loyal to the brand. Anyway, thankfully we were poor so we had to wait until we figured out that NES was way superior (at least as far as the game library.) Great video tho and that home brew of 1942 really showed the unlocked potential of the 7800.
I didn't know there was a homebrew arkanoid on the 7800.
Wasn't Tengen's Mrs. Pac-Man an unauthorized version somehow? I seem to remember it not hzving the Nintendo Seal of Approval and I think it had some crazy levels too.
This is an interesting comparison video. I think your criticism about the size of the horizontal viewport vs. the vertical viewport is unavoidable because of the 7800's resolution. It's just so much lower... Also, your capture of the NES footage is in a 1:1 aspect ratio which makes the vertical space look that much more extreme. Additionally, your 7800 capture is at 16:10 (for some of them)! It might be better to compare both at 4:3.
It’s just the emulator (ProSystem)’s default.
Rampage on the Sega Master System looks like a 16-bit arcade port. It blows both the Atari and NES version out of the water.
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Interesting that the NES is 1983 tech while the 7800 is 1984 tech so in theory, the 7800 could have been more powerful. But by that point Atari was probably not home to the best of the best hardware designers
Technically NES was 1985, Famicom was released 1983, Famicom is RF only, NES is RF and composite output!
@@jescis0 True, IIRC composite is a better picture but the hardware was the same. What I didn't know is fairly early on, game cartridges would include chips to enhance the base NES' ability.
I'm glad the NES was so successful as it really did save the America home video game market but it really was amazing that even in 88 and 89, it was running on half a decade's old hardware.
I like your comparison, even though your results are wrong lol.
Naturally.
00:52 Entex developed the first non- connected d-pad for its Select-A-Game. Nintendo's looks suspiciously similar.
You're absolutely right. What Nintendo invented (and patented) was not the DPad itself, but a cross connected version of the pad with a fulcrum in the center, under the pad.
This fulcrum let you "roll" the pad without being able to mush all the directions at once, creating the ability to move smoothly between directions.
@@danieldavis2055 I love knowledge!!
The NES version of 1942 is awful because Capcom outsourced it's development to Micronics who were notorious for their subpar work in the 80s and 90s. SNK made the same mistake when they contracted them to do the NES port of Ikari Warriors.
the home brew qbert hurts my eyes with that 15 fps
Double Dragon NES was incredible, it's on another level completely than the 7800, especially the audio. It's hard to believe the two would be part of the same console generation.
I don't know I grew up with both of these systems. I enjoyed my first Nintendo but the first thing I noticed was slowdowns and incredible flickering. Are these comparisons on emulators or done on actual hardware?
Great video, how about a NES vs Master System video
That’s a good idea. Haven’t played a ton of SMS games.
What was Atari thinking, using the 2600 2 channel sound chip in the mid-late eighties??😣
Any idea where to get the 7800 versions of 1942 or Arkanoid? I have not seen them on cart (yet).
Fun video. Thanks for sharing. I only ever played Popeye on the 2600, and that version is also very fun.
The 7800's graphics subsystem was more versatile then the NES PPU, even if it supported lower resolution. Rather than tiles and sprites, it was based on display lists, which told the video chip where in memory to pull image data from and where to display it, to build a scene on the screen. I believe if I'm not mistaken it also supported more colors on screen than the NES, which is why some of these 7800 games look more colorful.
But Nintendo had the third-party support and the marketing. And the NES compensated for some of its graphical shortcomings with mapper chips and other on-cart hardware.
Yeah they work on totally different concepts. Which is why Ballblazer is 1,000x better on the 7800. No crazy tiles to deal with.
Yeah that's what I thought if it had a chance Activision and all the other programmers would compete with Nintendo
Nintendo got Mario Bros 😅
You know the glitches in Commando on the NES are the same on a real machine! No way does the NES win due to that alone.
the 2600 Frogger remake for the Starpath Supercharger was almost as good as the 7800 one.
Does the 7800 version of Arkanoid let you use the paddles? If you can't find an NES Vaus controller, maybe the 7800 would be an easier a way to get arcade accurate controller.
Not sure. It probably does. These homebrew programmers are pretty through.
Resolution aside (hahaha right, some of these 7800 games look like they were made for a mid 90s handheld ffs), the colors are much more of a difference than i ever realized. Nes games look almost muddy when compared like this. I never saw that before. Legit point to the 7800.
It's too bad the Atari 7800 and Sega Master System were ignored by 3rd party developers in the mid to late 80's because of Nintendo's monopolizing policies. That really hurt competition.
The 7800 is a fine, fine machine, my friend.
That it is.
11:12 commando was bad ass
I'm kinda sad the Atari 7800 didn't do as well. It had potential. I actually have one that was gifted to me by my cousin and I never knew it even existed. I though she meant Atari2600 when she said she had an old Atari. Maybe I'll check out buying the homebrew games.
I wish it had been released instead of the 5200. It would have cut down on a lot of complaints about the 2600’s successor.
@@GregsGameRoom Atari lagged behind literally everybody else after the 2600. They coasted on the success of the 2600 for their entire existence after that.
The 7200 wasn't really comparable to the NES, the Atari ST was not as good as the Acorn or the Amiga although you could argue it was better than the MAC. The Lynx was junk the Jaguar wasn't much better.
@@fuzzywzhe From the late 70s to today, there's pretty much always a computer (or several) better than what Apple puts out, when you put them side-by-side, especially when you look at the price tags. The problem with those, though, is that seemingly every company putting out computers in the late 70s, the 80s, and the early-mid 90s besides Apple and IBM(which ended up mostly fading into obscurity by the 2000s) had a tendency to mismanage their companies, finances, workers, etc. to the point of going under.
@@Unregistered.HyperCam.2 The government decided on IBM/Windows. No government institutions bought Apple, or Amiga, or Acorn, it was IBM/Windows exclusively.
Unix if people had to actually do real work.
That's why Windows "won" despite it taking to 1993 to make a workable GUI system and not a stable one at that. Xerox Parc had a GUI in 1973 but it was tremendously expensive. Mac: 1984, Amiga: 1985, Acorn Archimedes : 1987.
It's not a free market.
Even the Atari ST came out in 1985. It was discontinued in the same year that Windows 3.11 came out.
It's not mismanagement, it's government connections.
Windows was, BY FAR, was the worst machine available until 1995. Terrible architecture, terrible and unstable OS. Amiga, Atari ST, and Acorn were bankrupt or close to bankrupt by then.
Mac limped along, but be grateful that Apple didn't "win" - if they did, the cheapest computer you could buy would be $5K. They are bloodsuckers. They survive on suckers now. "Oh, I have the best machine!" - no you don't, you have a ridiculously overpriced machine because of the economics of exclusivity.
I know how this works, and I hate marketing, but I understand it.
@@fuzzywzhe Commodore, Atari, "Commodore" that was putting out Amiga, all did end up making pretty bad financial decisions. I really don't want to sit here and type several paragraphs, but the poor choices Atari, Commodore, and the Commodore that existed after Trammiel left and a ton of people formerly from Atari jumped ship is well-documented.
I believed that NES version of one on one had Larry Bird.
Best gaming console from the 80s was the 1982 Commodore 64 with a 480p monitor. NES, SEGA, and ATARI are 240p. Super Nintendo is 480p and Genesis. So Sega and Nintendo owners didn't get 480p games for another 9 years in 1991. Look up Skate or Die on NES and C64 and you can see a difference between 240p and 480p and their both 8bit games just ones higher resolution in 1982. Smash TV was also on C64. Games were on C64 five years before 1987 Nintendo release in America. TVs were 240p in the 80s and the 1982 C64 monitor is 480p. Consoles were made for TVs so they had lower resolution than a PC. 480p TV didn't come out tilll about 1990. So the C64 offered the best gaming experience from 1982-1991.
Donkey Kong - The Atari 7800 has the same sound chip as the 2600, so how did they manage to make the 7800 version sound worse?
It's a shame the Atari 7800 had such a rocky and delayed launch. If it had it's intended 1984 release then it might have surpassed the Colecovision but it still would have inevitably succumb to the NES and Master System. But it's nice to see it's getting so much homebrew love and proves the potential it truly had. I'm also surprised and impressed with it's 256 color palette. Although it had the same 25 color limit as the NES you can really see the richness in it's coloration during the side-by-sides with the NES.
A few points:
1: without the home brew versions, the NES would win by a pretty sizable margin
2: I can’t believe that the 7800 made a better version of Popeye (a Nintendo 1st party game!)
3: with the exception of “ball blazer”, when the Atari was better it was still pretty close (personally I’d give Pac-Man to theNES), but there were a few games where the Nintendo was way better than the Atari: Rampage, Kung Fu, Karateka, Double Dragon. I noticed that the enemies in Atari Kung fu would simply disappear when they were kicked.
Grass-fed cows make the Nintendo beef.
Nice video
NES vs. SMS would be good too!
The NES design is iconic LOL
Growing up with an NES, I knew of the name Atari but back then, knew nothing about the 7800. it was NES vs Master System and the NES was king.
Your videos showed me that the 7800 was very capable hardware if fully utilised and the Master system was even more capable then the NES.
In the end it's all on the quality of the dev's and the released software.
On the note of homebrew, there is a 32X homebrew Doom game that is way superior to all the other console ports just showing how capable that addon was if Sega and third party dev's took the time to make quality games. I am sure the same can be said about the Jaguar and 3do.
The 7800 was a surprisingly competent machine, equal to the NES in some ways and even exceeding it in others. Unfortunately, the sound chip sucked, being the same one that was in the 2600.
Nintendo was styled that way to look like a front loading VCR to differentiate it from toys such as the Atari and colecovisio. after the great video game crash
am curious when the homebrews were made, and what a comparison would look like if there were no homebrews included. I almost got a 7800 off marketplac earlier, and if I do eventually get one, wouldn't mind a few homebrews for it either.
I appreciate the time and effort for home brews, but I would always prefer a real cartridge to authenticate a format that it is for.
Honestly, if the NES had worse versions of Donkey Kong or Super Mario Bros Nintendo would have to be doing something seriously wrong :). I don't think it's fair to compare modern homebrew with games written 40 years ago though. As dev tools and knowledge of the systems today is far more advanced, and commercial coders back in the day were also under time and memory constraints (ROM was expensive!) that are no longer an issue. That's no slight on modern homebrew - I love seeing new games on old systems! I do it myself!
Great video! IMO when using real hardware and the Nes like controller for the 7800 it makes a world of difference in gameplay. Do not use the Pro Line controllers they are some of the worst controllers ever made lol
IMO I like Commando better on the 7800. The Nes version has to much flicker and the music is better on the 7800.
I like Dig Dug better on the 7800. I dont like the side bar on the Nes version and the gameplay is better on the 7800. Especially when using a good Arcade stick.
Being that I am a big fan of Arcade Double Dragon I actually like the 7800 version better than the SMS and Nes versions when using the Nes like controller for the 7800. The 7800 version has the garage going up, the levels and characters resemble the arcade better (they are skinny like the arcade) rather than being fat like on the SMS and Nes versions but what I like the most is no flicker and I like the challenge in the 7800 version which is great when using the Nes like controller or even the Euro 7800 controller. It is very kool to see so many characters on the screen with no flicker in the 7800 version. Being that Im a fan of the Arcade and as far as 8 bit ports the 7800 is the closest to it. LIke I said its not a bad game if you are using the 7800 Nes like controller or the Euro controller but it is a bad game when using the Pro Line controllers.
I also like Tower Toppler better on the 7800. I like the wider look and the bonus stage and the gameplay is better.
I also like Rampage better on the 7800. Im a big fan of the Arcade and being able to select between 3 characters is a big deal for me and always made me feel the Nes version was missing something.
I liked Choplifter better on the 7800 as well. Sometimes having no music was good for me. I hated the music on the Nes version. The Nes version difficulty level doesnt make it as fun as the 7800 version.
So for me it would be 7800 15 and the Nes 9.
Now as far as total library the Nes wins but maybe in 20 years that could change with all the great home brews. As a kid and as an adult I love the 7800 for not having the flicker issues that a lot of the Sega Master System and Nes games had. The 7800 could just run games more smoother and with no flicker.
Technically today we do know that the 7800 was the most powerful out of the 3 and when using the Pokey and TIA for sound it actually produces better sound than the NES ans SMS IMO.
Too bad the Atari 7800 didn't have more original releases like Ninja Golf. I like both consoles but the NES library is much better.
I wish Atari would have properly succeeded, imagine if we had NES vs Atari like we have Xbox vs PlayStation now.
That’s a whole ‘nother video! “Fixing Atari’s Mistakes” might be a hour long!
I think we would've had worse games because the developers would be trying to make games for two different systems at once, and that means less dev time.
There are sooo many divergence points though..... releasing the 7800 on time is one - but they also turned down distributing the NES itself.
Then there is the Coleco/Sega connection, and the fact that the next model Colecovision would have been more or less the Master System to begin with.
If things had gone different, Atari and Coleco would have been the frontmen for the Nintendo/Sega war.
And would that have made the PSX the original CD attatchment for the Super Atari 9900 or something? Lmfao.
In general 7800 looks and sounds like upgraded Atari 2600. NES feels younger by a generation, even if it isn't.
U got any love for the master system?
the 7800 was very under-utilized and in some respects better than the NES in theory, but the NES just has so much larger and more complex of games during its life that its hard to compare, especially later in the NES life.
The 7800 version of commando also has the hidden hostage areas but they are more elaborate with traps and such.
I wondered about that. Cool.
Two things I disagreed with: that Mario Bros on NES is nearly arcade perfect. I played a lot of the arcade version and the NES one actually looks and plays a lot differently. But I do agree it's excellent and much better than the 7800 version. (2) - Ms. Pac is way better on the NES.
the rest I agreed with! And I'm amazed that there's Ballblazer on NES!
I think you stiffed the NES here just to give the Atari a semblance of a chance... and in proper form the NES still came out way ahead.
i am here because i recently met a person really gushing about the 7800. especially trying to understand what and why supposedly makes it superior to NES
Best version of Klax was on the Turbo Grafx 16
B game on Popeye NES doesn’t have the full ladder. FYI
I will never understand why the 7800 doesn't have a POKEY chip, or why the 5200 wasn't compatible with the 8-bit computers.
Man. They could have had some great 7800 games if anyone had bothered to make the investment
Joust wins on 7800, so that’s my favorite 😀Also like the homebrews on the 7800. 1942 blows the nes out of the water, Rikki & Vikki too.
The bland boxy design of the NES is solely the problem with the mentality of Nintendo America. To the rest of the world, the "NES" was known as the Famicom, featuring a diminutive, red and white design that broke the mold. There was never anything like it. The same problem was found later in the NEC PC-Engine, which was so compact and so light, most American consumers wouldn't believe what that thing was capable of. The American mindset was to "fix" it by adding more plastic and weight.
If they make homebrew remakes for the nes, they'll look n played better as well. Hard to compare modern homebrews to original 1980s nes games.