Same, I related to him the most and he wa my voice of reason. When he would start calling it all confusing and fucked up i was like "finally someone says it!"
Ooh yeah there it is. There's so many good examples of Beatrice, but parading around Shannon's dead body followed immediately by an empty no bullying promise is the one that doesn't get enough love.
Honestly, i would have preferred if the entire VN would have been like this. Battler actually hating beatrice (like he should have. Fuck the sin he committed.). Umineko gets too much cheesy at the end and loses its beautiful vibe that i personally loved. Battler and Beatrice getting all lovey dovey it was really a turn off. This is the main reason i prefer Higurashi, that is a lot more consistently thrillery and dramatic.
Tbf we'll never know if that would have been better or not but regardless it would have been a very different story from Umineko. It would no longer be about trying to understand the heart of another, to connect with them and understand why a person would hurt another. On a surface level, if Love is the singular element of Umineko, the story can't rightly end with the main relationship being one of hate. You'd also have to remove concepts like "without love it cannot be seen" - you get what I'm saying. It could still be a great story, but it would be a very different story to the point it wouldn't be Umineko.
@@ShuraEssays yeah i agree man. I just enjoy stories more like higurashi, despair and hatred towards the villain. Umineko has despair, but that despair stops after episode 4. Higurashi stops being full of despair just at the last episode...as the protagonist gains the will to fight their fate. Battler would have been the perfect Rika, if you think about it: stuck in an endless loop, he in the end gets back to Ange...after all those epic battles against the villains.
@@graxyandroid_9878 but, Higurashi wasn't about hating the villain. Because this is about Umineko and there is a mild chance people haven't finished Higurashi, I'll refer to the antagonist as the antagonist. There's a whole speech towards the end about how she drew the joker in old maid, but Rika tells her they play a different game, where you remove one card and whoever can't complete their set is the loser. Matsuribayashi is about understanding the antagonist and seeing her struggles- seeing she's a victim as well, although she's certainly still guilty of her sins. And in the fragment of Matsuribayashi, they add the missing card back in - metaphorically speaking, it's Hanyuu. She absolved the antagonist of her sins, leaving her to have to forgive herself, which was enough of a task to likely last a lifetime regardless. Matsuribayashi is "a world without losers." It was never a story about beating the bad guy, per se. When They Cry is, on a whole, about how hurt people hurt people. I love that quote and I very much want to know where it came from. At any rate, while the villain is detestable, especially in the climax of Minagoroshi, Rika herself doesn't necessarily hate her. I'm currently reading the VN for the first time, so maybe the connotation was different there, but from the anime and my recollection of it, that was the implied tone. Especially with the ending giving even that villain their happy ending, even if it was in a hidden fragment - a miracle fragment, perhaps. Although, given that it was a fairly simple choice that would change her life, probably not.
I felt the same at first and I heard a lot of Japanese weren't satisfied with the last 4 chapters. But I've since learned to not take things too literal in Umineko. And I'm not even sure Battler is all that innocent.
Tbh I always loved battler even during the early eps I connected with him cause like him I'm literally incompetent asf when it comes to these things
Same, I related to him the most and he wa my voice of reason. When he would start calling it all confusing and fucked up i was like "finally someone says it!"
Ooh yeah there it is. There's so many good examples of Beatrice, but parading around Shannon's dead body followed immediately by an empty no bullying promise is the one that doesn't get enough love.
I wouldn't even remember him if it weren't for you)
"Beatrice parading around Shannon's dead body" ahahaha that sure has at least two meanings
both lead into the same
This hits differently after the magic ending at the 2:11 mark I think that was she was actually really hurt when he said that
what is the signifiance i haven't plained umineko in a while
Battler messed up everything
A bit later on, Beatrice actually would use this tactic as well :D
Just leave the board
Wake up Beatrice....
And she beat Battler to it and managed to deny his existence. How competent of her.
I kinda wanna reread this. Its been way too long.
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Wait, so which version of Umineko is this? I don't remember it having mouth movements.
It's Umineko Project
the console version
the console version (Playstation)
Battler actully marry beatrice if you guy read the manga
they married in vn too
How was the text window removed (Transparent)?
probably a feature of the umi project version
No. I found the file (msgwnd) and manually made it 100% PNG In Photoshop. And it worked. The game didn't break.
Changing umineko project font type
Honestly, i would have preferred if the entire VN would have been like this. Battler actually hating beatrice (like he should have. Fuck the sin he committed.). Umineko gets too much cheesy at the end and loses its beautiful vibe that i personally loved. Battler and Beatrice getting all lovey dovey it was really a turn off.
This is the main reason i prefer Higurashi, that is a lot more consistently thrillery and dramatic.
Tbf we'll never know if that would have been better or not but regardless it would have been a very different story from Umineko. It would no longer be about trying to understand the heart of another, to connect with them and understand why a person would hurt another. On a surface level, if Love is the singular element of Umineko, the story can't rightly end with the main relationship being one of hate. You'd also have to remove concepts like "without love it cannot be seen" - you get what I'm saying. It could still be a great story, but it would be a very different story to the point it wouldn't be Umineko.
@@ShuraEssays yeah i agree man. I just enjoy stories more like higurashi, despair and hatred towards the villain. Umineko has despair, but that despair stops after episode 4. Higurashi stops being full of despair just at the last episode...as the protagonist gains the will to fight their fate. Battler would have been the perfect Rika, if you think about it: stuck in an endless loop, he in the end gets back to Ange...after all those epic battles against the villains.
@@graxyandroid_9878 but, Higurashi wasn't about hating the villain. Because this is about Umineko and there is a mild chance people haven't finished Higurashi, I'll refer to the antagonist as the antagonist. There's a whole speech towards the end about how she drew the joker in old maid, but Rika tells her they play a different game, where you remove one card and whoever can't complete their set is the loser. Matsuribayashi is about understanding the antagonist and seeing her struggles- seeing she's a victim as well, although she's certainly still guilty of her sins. And in the fragment of Matsuribayashi, they add the missing card back in - metaphorically speaking, it's Hanyuu. She absolved the antagonist of her sins, leaving her to have to forgive herself, which was enough of a task to likely last a lifetime regardless. Matsuribayashi is "a world without losers." It was never a story about beating the bad guy, per se. When They Cry is, on a whole, about how hurt people hurt people. I love that quote and I very much want to know where it came from. At any rate, while the villain is detestable, especially in the climax of Minagoroshi, Rika herself doesn't necessarily hate her. I'm currently reading the VN for the first time, so maybe the connotation was different there, but from the anime and my recollection of it, that was the implied tone. Especially with the ending giving even that villain their happy ending, even if it was in a hidden fragment - a miracle fragment, perhaps. Although, given that it was a fairly simple choice that would change her life, probably not.
@@ShuraEssays Nah bro fuck the villain
I felt the same at first and I heard a lot of Japanese weren't satisfied with the last 4 chapters. But I've since learned to not take things too literal in Umineko. And I'm not even sure Battler is all that innocent.