Eli Prinsen's Hybrid Vocal Technique he’s not and I suggest you read more canon Star Wars books . You know the ones Luke Yoda Mace and palpatine all wrote in ... Hint Hint...
I really want Snoke to be Plagueis, even that he was once known as Darth Plagueis and simply uses the name Snoke now even just that. The novel is no longer canon so they hav'nt got to follow that exact backstory, but yes there are too many similarities. It would be alittle bit trolling to use that very similar sounding tune that plays, his throne-like chair he was sitting in in that chamber was very similar to the artwork, Hux saying "The Supreme Leader is Wise!"
I agree, Plagueis may have moved on from what he was as even Sidious claims he did not learn everything Plagueis knew before attemping to kill him. It is a great part of the story to read and is full of suspense, did he kill him or not.....or did Plagueis let him think he killed him...the body was not found!!!
no one will read this anyway, a) snoke isn't a sith or a dark side user b) he found a way to prevent death(thanks to midichlorians). he is the grandmaster of the long dead ren order. it was the very first order force users ever created before it split into two fractions; the sith and the jedi . what snoke is trying to do is erase both teachings out of existence and restore the ren to its former glory. he was also the puppeteer of darth sidious, a.k.a darth plagueis, yep palpatine never killed him. the midichlorians were influenced by snoke(plaguies) to impregrante shmi skywalker in order to create an instrument(anakin) to achieve his ultimate goal.(balancing the force) snoke is basically trying to bring balance to the force, in a fucked up way.
Kappa I saw the film twice yesterday and it still doesn't disprove of Plagueis. So it still has a probability, hope they tell us in part 9 that he used to be Sidiouses old master without saying Plagueis. So the true fans know what they mean.
Actually Anakin was born of the Force's as retaliation of Plagueis' attempt to manipulate the force. I do know that Plagueis did attempted to create but the Force intervened, but I don't remember if it was said whether he did succeed in that initial attempt, in this case if he actually did, it would then make sense that Rey is his creation. Because the words "fulfill your destiny" would only make sense if he knows what Rey's destiny is - because he created her.
Andrew Lee it doesn't 100% indicate whether Plagueis fails or succeeded. However the reason white ray cannot be the result of that attempt at least is because Ray would be older than Luke Skywalker. He would be as old as Anakin would have been now. I'm guessing that to be pushing 80s if not close to 100. Without doing the math.
This never happened canon-wise. The Darth Palgueis book, which tells that story, is now a "Legends" story - confirmed by Disney. What Palpatine told Anakin in Episode III is the only information we have on the character that's canon.
I believe this is correct if you watch the plagueis seen in episode 3 it’s like he is telling anakin that he was created by plagueis. He looks at anakin in an interesting way as he says that plagueis could create life by using midi-chlorian, so why would he tell him that unless he knew how anakin was made and of course palpatine would take an interest in him as a creation from his master.
THIS IS A GREAT DISSECTION - MY OTHER POINT IS THAT is that how can be a “new character” and be killed off that quick. YET he’s been around for a while...
Maybe Plagueis realised the secret to immortality (at least in the physical realm) derived from a greater power found only between the light and the dark side. His goal might have been to eradicate the Jedi and abolish the Sith ways so he could rule under a single unification of the force, but Palpatine assassinated him before he could carry out these plans. There's a reason why he's known as Darth Plagueis 'The Wise'; he saw the bigger picture above a petty conflict that's been stretching thousands of years.
Dude what's old news is you! Hidalgo "The Star Wars canon expert " recently said that hypothetically Darth Plagueis could be alive! If Snoke isn't Darth Plagueis then Disney just stripped James Luceno"s novel "Darth Plagueuis" completely to create Snoke! 1) Both Rich 2) Both 'Wise' 3)Both sit on thrones 4)Both made their apprentices kill their families 5) both don't believe in the Sith Rule of Two (Plagueuis allowed Palpatine to take an apprentice Darth Maul) etc.
I hope he’s plaqueis and in the end of Last Jedi the yuzhaan vong ( the guys who want to kill all living ) comes and all new order and rebellion fight together
I see everyone saying "Oh, maybe Snoke is the name Dark Plagueis uses after Palpatine failed to kill him." But the thing is, Darth Vader's birth name is Anakin. Darth Sidious' birth name is Sheev. Who's to say Darth Plagueis' birth name isn't Snoke? Just a thought.
Snoke better be Plagueis or I'm flipping shit! Lol, but for real though it's too perfect for them to throw it all out for a random force user that's been around, that nobody knew about just made up out of thin air for the plot to have a "bady".
I dont doubt that Snoke was written to be Plagueis however it was so quickly realised by the community that i think they abandoned the idea and will adjust it to be something new. Maybe Plageuis's lore gets adjusted to turn into this character, but I would be surprised
hence .....PLAGIUS .......PLAGUE .............Bane is from the old republic and we saw him in canon...and also in legends her transferred his essence to his apprentice when she killed him....
I think he is or should be and it would be awesome. I actually think we won't quite know until 9 and that's what Abrams meant in his interview that they will be trying all the episodes together in a bow. I think plaguies did feed off of palpatines hate and power all along. Plaguies had forseen all that was going to happen and allowed palpatine to try and destroy him (a dark side version of Obi wans sacrifice to grow stronger??) plaguies then created Anakinto fullfil the destiny of wiping out the Sith for good and he renouncing his sith name of Darth plaguies to Snoke(we see Darth maul do similar in clone wars) :)
It was not said in the TFA book. I read that book. Tell me what page it says he's thousands of years old? It doesn't. He was described once by Andy Serkis as being "ancient" but that doesn't mean he's thousands of years old. It was implied in the book that he was around to see the rise and fall of the Empire but that doesn't make him thousands of years old either.
you can tell just by the way they attempt to push this theory they are grasping at straws. they spend a lot of time stumbling and stuttering over the words so much about this is flawed
You need to listen to what he said and read the canon novels. There has been a force calling from outside the galaxy for a thousand years. Sidious sent a groups to locate and report back....that is where it comes from. FYI, no one has a good record of the age of each Sith....Plagueis has been around for a long time!!!
just like yall need to listen to everybody who wrote and acted in the movies who clearly said "there are no sith lords in this movie" hence he is not plagueis
what if he's Darth sidious secret apprentice. witch is why JJ said force unleashed isn't cannon and JJ probably plans to make old republic movies after snokes death to show his origins like the prequel did Vader witch is also why JJ says old republic isn't cannon other. it makes seince what if sidious for saw his death and trained snoke to lead a back up empire called the first order
So here’s what i don’t understand about darth plageuis, here’s my thesis: dark plagueis was NOT sidious’s master. Palpatine, when discussing plagueis with anakin, brags that anakin should know the story of the Sith Lord, but of course the Jedi would not teach the tale. However, the sith were invisible, unrevealed to Jedi for ages, how would they know the tale of a recent sith? Furthermore palpatine brags of his knowledge of the dark side, he makes a point that he has researched it extensively, so his claim that anakin should know of palagueis is faulty if anakin is incapable of knowing of such a person. So this leads me to believe plagueis is an ancient sith capable of being learned about even if it would be difficult to find these info, info that the Jedi at least have some knowledge of even if they choose to ignore it.
Plagueis being Palpatine's master, is that even still canon? Which canon novel did it get mentioned in? I just see everyone saying that he was Palpatine's master, yet never been told where that is told, apart from non-canon novels.
cypherdk85 yes it is cannon because palpatine mentions him in the movie which is canon. The book about him is no longer canon, but they were basically telling you in ROTS that he was
The GhastlyGamer Palpatine mentions his name, but does he say that Plagueis was his master? I know he is canon, I'm talking about being Palpatines master.
Snoke is plaguis in a rejuvinated anakin corpse. The new limbs indicate youzhong vong biotech, because of the fingertips that snoke has. Those new hands aren't human.
Personally I don't want Snoke to be Plagueis. I just feel like it is far too predictable and i want Snoke to be someone new. Too many theories these days are trying to predict who characters really are. Can't they just be themselves? I much prefer the idea of Maz being a jawa and being on the sidelines and having somewhat witnessed whats been going on since Episode 1
I really want snoke to be plagues, but for 2 huge reasons why i know it cant be. 1. In the book aftermath it says sidious felt something so powerful in the uncated space. Plagus was more wise than powerful. Its not likly that his power grew so much in a short time. On that one i conseed thats not as strong; but the other is plagues was a mun (race in star wars sorry abput the spelling) but he was not thounds of years old. His time as a sith lord was kind of short compaired to a lot of others. Sidious ruled longer. As a sith lord not empire. I want to be wrong but i really cant see it being plagues. I think they are saving that gem or a separt movie.... books already been done.
James Mirrordomains They never said in The Last Jedi it wasn't Snoke Tho. So technically he can still be Plagueis. Or could have been since he dead now.
Thank you!!! I've been saying since TFA that Rey's staff is actually a decrepit light saber staff....which she found on Jakku... Guess who else had a light saber staff that was a force relic, who went in search of it on Jakku?
Rik van der Linden eventually. When we we going to other people started to do it so we didn't want to see a bunch of Pirate's Reviews going up on UA-cam at the same time. That's boring.
Plagueis made Palpatine, not Skywalker. Anakin was created by the force alone. Plagueis made Palps to have a being able to dominate and subvert The Chosen One.
Pablo Hidalgo officially confirmed on twitter that Supreme Leader Snoke and Darth Plaguies are too different characters, because he reminded us of the obvious fact that Plaguies IS DEAD and that he DID NOT have the power to stop himself from dying. Palpatine KILLED PLAGUIES AS IN HE'S DEAD NOT ALIVE TO BE SNOKE AND NOT COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD TO BE SNOKE BECAUSE HE NEVER LEARNED TO DO THAT. You make no official citations, only paraphrase passages from books, and use headcanon to connect the dots and then you even use non canon info about Plaguies. Plaguies in canon has no design, no staff, not even an official race. All we know is that he existed and was once Palpatine's master, he tried to find a way to cheat death and create life but failed to learn how to apply such knowledge to himself, and that as a result of that Palpatine killed him and became the new Lord of the Sith. But its okay to ignore all of that information because it supports your pointless Plaguies theory thats already been debunked by an official source.
A lot of people say smoke being plaguies would discredit what palpatine accomplished and I say it doesn't at all. Palpatine still fooled the jedi and ruled the galaxy for decades. AND what was his number 1 weakness?? His overconfidence. Plaguies used Palpatines weakness to literally wipe out the sith and take over as the strongest force user. Luke didn't run and hide. He was probably beaten and badly. So badly he lost his nephew and faith in himself. Luke knows the only way he can rectify his mistakes is by hitting the archives at the first jedi temple. 😁
If he were Plagueis he would be the strongest thing in the universe, immortal, he wouldnt need Kylo or anyone else, so Snoke should be someone else he looks so worried about luke and rey...
Snoke is something completely new from outside the galaxy from someplace else in the universe. Its a different kind of dark sider not encountered by the Jedi. But what is he doing on a giant Imperial starship? INVADERS!
Great theory, however, this is not Rian's writing style. He's going to alienate many fans after this movie. I disagree with him making Luke a coward and weak. In fact during D23, Kathleen Kennedy had to reassure the audience after Mark spoke, that what his said wasn't true, Luke is important. There's going to be changes to fit Rian's vision, and a lot of people are not going to be happy. That why he wants no part of 9. Will it be a good movie. I predict an Amazing movie, just not what direction all the characters should of had. The important thing is that the casual young fan is going to love it. The are the future. What we are expecting is not important to them. Just be prepared to see Snoke as something else. Even Rian said Snoke was not a priority. He was more working on make Tran's character Rose the breakout and unexpected hero in the movie. That was what was important to him. I'm still going to enjoy the movie. I just had to reset my mind, and keep the logical direction out of my head and see where Rian takes it.
Snoke isn't Plagueis...read the Aftermath books. Plagueis is dead in Canon as stated by Palpatine in ROTS. Snoke is Snoke. A malevolent power Sidious sensed out in the Unknown Regions. If he was Plagueis, Palpatine would have sensed it was his master, not a dark force power that rivaled his own out in the middle of nowhere.
And you selectively have left out ALL of the Aftermath books where it goes into GREAT DETAIL...that Palpatine sensed the presence of a powerful darkside force out in the Unknown Regions...that he devised a contingency plan for the remnants of the Empire to seek out this presence in the event of his death. If it was just his old master, he wouldn't sense that it was him? He wouldn't send expeditionary forces out to find his old master and prepare for the Empire's demise, he'd send them to KILL him (or do so himself). And we don't KNOW he could "cheat death" as Palpatine says that to Anakin during his seduction and so conveniently doesn't know the secret once Anakin pledges himself to him. AND you also selectively leave out that Pablo Hidalgo said on Twitter: "@pablohidalgo: Plagueis was killed by his apprentice. He is dead." Pablo has never lied about canon. He's dead.
He doesn't have "sith eyes"...my thoughts are he's a "Celestial" which is now Legends that they could have poached from for him: The Celestials, also known as the Architects, were an ancient civilization who were present long before the dawn of the galactic community and even the Rakatan Infinite Empire. Believed to be responsible for a number of large artifacts and anomalous planetary formations and species placements throughout the galaxy, what little was known of the Celestials came from xenoarchaeology. The Jedi and the Sith alike theorized that the balance between the light and dark sides of the Force was actually under the guidance of the Celestials.
We've seen a lot of people say we are absolutely wrong. We've seen people say they completely agree. I can tell you that Tyler and I will be having a video on this the week after The Last Jedi comes out either saying we were right, and you can all apologize then, or that we were wrong and talk about what that means for the future of Star Wars (In regards to Snoke)
Well as it turns out, this theory has been proven wrong. In the, The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary, it clearly states that "Snoke is powerful in the darkside of the force, but he is no Sith. That thousand year old lineage stretching from Darth Bane to the last Sith Lord, Darth Vader, was undone when Vader died destroying his mentor, Darth Sidious. The fulfillment of an ancient prophecy foretold the end of the Sith, but it never predicted the end of darkness." So it's officially been confirmed, Snoke is not a Sith Lord, whether it's Plagueis, a reincarnated Sidious, or any other Sith. In fact, this actually confirms that the Sith no longer exist and have been completely wiped out.
You said he's not a sith. I said that doesn't stop him from being Plagueis because Plagueis stopped being a Sith when Palpatine took his place as Master.
I'll begin by saying, what I wrote was a direct quote from The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary and not my own words. So trying to find a loophole around the official material they put out because you think you're going to prove me wrong is pretty futile. As far as what you're saying..... for that to be true, that would mean Palpatine killed Plagueis, as you pointed out. So if you believe what you're saying that means you believe Plagueis is dead, in which case he still couldn't be Snoke. Unless your argument is that Palpatine never actually killed him, which would mean Palpatine never rose to become a Sith Lord because his master never died. Which just has even further consequences down the line, like if he never became a Sith Lord then Vader (or any other of his apprentice) wouldn't have been a sith either. Per the rule of two, you'd have Plagueis (the master who was never killed) and Sidious (the apprentice who never rose to master)... so there would have been no others. But really that's all irrelevant for two main reasons. First, just because a Sith dies, doesn't mean he stops being a sith. Darth Bane, the original sith.... is still known as a Sith Lord. He obviously died long before the events in the movies, but no one has ever once called him Bane, the former Sith. You're kidding yourself trying to pretend that's how it works. Second, the movie is out, we've seen it, and not only is Snoke not Plagueis, but who Snoke is isn't even relevant. His only importance is being a hurdle for Kylo to overcome on his way to obtaining more power and becoming the new leader of the first order. So really no matter how you look at it, you are just....... wrong.
Victor Contreras My thoughts exactly... the Plagueis book isn't cannon but they still never acknowledge just how he could cheat death... I almost think he has some body snatching ability... he was grooming Kylo for this and then he discovered Rey who is more powerful...
I kinda lost hope in this theory... I think this Theory and most of them are pretty solid and it makes total sense I mean the book is one of the best books ever in Star Wars. It makes total sense that they would make it Canon because it ties everything together and does it damn good job of it. The only thing that shuts all this down is Disney and the directors. It's pretty clear that they will do anything in their power to keep these three movies as far away from the prequels as possible there is no stopping the anti prequel movement it's an obsession and it goes all the way to the top for this reason alone I don't think it's going to be snoke. Just think about it we didn't see one species somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but one species from the prequel movies or Clone Wars. Help they followed the damn first movie verbatim
Darth Yeti plagues race of Muun is no longer cannon. For now he literally has no race. The only description we have that is cannon is that he's tall and humanoid.
On wookipedia yes they also say he died before the invasion of Naboo. Which we know is false as he was present on coruscant. I only acknowledge Him as Muun.
Sorry not everything that disney has done has been good. Plagueis is a Muun or at least inhabited one. Im not simply erasing memories of reading books and comics because Pablo Hidalgo said I should. Fuck him and Fuck Disney.
Darth Yeti Uh excuse me? Are you merging the canon? If you hate it then go read your books as you are simply confusing yourself and others with this munn bs. And what exactly is bad qbout the new canon? Its far more cohesive. Artfully crafted and planned than the mismash of the eu ever could have been
"this is unbelievable to me..." This guy like reads nothing and never watches movies. ... Once again, fictional story can kinda do what it wants. Because you don't have to believe it. It's just entertainment.
You ramble too much, so I was bored after a few minutes. You may have an interesting theory but you've not convinced me to watch and find out. You need to grab attention in the first few minutes with an energetic, exciting, interesting introduction. I don't mean clickbait, just an enthusiastic, scripted overview of what you'll talk about. I'd stick to shorter videos (e.g.10-15mins) as these will encourage you to be concise and clear. If that isn't long enough to discuss the subject you can always make a follow up video.
Spoilers for the movie from the premiere last night have already been released. As I said Snoke is not Plageuis ". So now you all were wrong. Case closed.
@ PAIR of Sneakerheads I saw the movie. Its said in the movie. The Prime Jedi is referred to in the Journal of Whills which Luke explains to Rey. I mean I can spoil the whole thing for you if You'd like.
NOOOOO actually... He is NOT =D , stop pushing this ship already it is completely and utterly FALSE. Snoke IS NOOTTTTTTTT Darth Plagueis Jesus this is beyond over-with already WHY are you ppl STILLLLL tryin to push this ship???? I cannot WAIT for you to see just how wrong you are. "OMG HIS MUSIC IS THE SAME HES PLAGUIES!!!!" LMAO Jesus dude can you reach ANY further????
We just started _our_ Star Wars Community Series and wanted to talk about it. Is that okay with you? The ring with a Kyber crystal is not that old, it's just over a month old.
And you know this how? No one has seen The Last Jedi, which is literally the movie that will progress this theory further or discontinue it. So this theory still holds up until December 15 when we find more out about Snoke.
Pablo Hidaldo stated there were no Sith in The Force Awakens. Since he is in charge of the canon for Star Wars now, Snoke is not Plagius. Snoke is something new. He is not a Sith.
Plagueis, if alive and is actually Snoke, would no longer consider himself to be a Sith. It would mirror Luke's abandonment of the Jedi. Much like Luke sees the problem with the Jedi approach to the Force, Plagueis/Snoke acknowledges the shortcomings of the Sith.
If Snoke is Plagius he would no longer be a Sith, much like Maul who gave up or lost the title. Since Sidious fought Plagius and won, Plagius was stripped of title or Plagius lost on purpose and ascended passed a Sith.
I don't know too well all the SW lore, so my views are partial on this. That said though, I sit somewhere in between people like you that knows soooo much about the lore and the more casual viewer that might know just the movies. I think Snoke will be something new and not too difficult to explain 'historically'. On some other video someone was suggesting he might be some kind of off-shoots from the Whills. That might make some kind of sense: it will be reasonably new for movie goers and will please more hard-core fans. Also the Whills have be mentioned in Rogue One and, judging by the trailers, it will be mentioned by Luke. So they are coming into the frame in the widest SW lore (I mean in the mainstream lore= movies). So he might has well be some kind 'fallen' Whill.
2nd guy talking... does not really come across as an expert on the subject. Sorry. Just doesnt. 1st guy, well spoken, discussed facts, and doesnt say..."uhhh, well, i dead somwwhere...i cant remember in the movie...uhhh" That said, I believe this theory is plausible for sure
A fallen sith that's is drained of power is no longer considered a sith but I find it hard to believe snoke isn't juts a new character to drive further installments with not older characters mentioned in anything Lucas did
Dont get me wrong a lot of people have fallen into this theory. I know some things about the movie from where I used to work. It will surprise you on who he really is.
I support this theory 100%. Snoke IS Plagueis.
Eli Prinsen's Hybrid Vocal Technique he’s not and I suggest you read more canon Star Wars books . You know the ones Luke Yoda Mace and palpatine all wrote in ... Hint Hint...
James deen are you talking about the Bible?
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Yep im 95% sure...too many coincidences
Pablo Hidalgo - Lucasfilm’s Star Wars canon expert - has denied Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
I really want Snoke to be Plagueis, even that he was once known as Darth Plagueis and simply uses the name Snoke now even just that. The novel is no longer canon so they hav'nt got to follow that exact backstory, but yes there are too many similarities. It would be alittle bit trolling to use that very similar sounding tune that plays, his throne-like chair he was sitting in in that chamber was very similar to the artwork, Hux saying "The Supreme Leader is Wise!"
Your wish will be granted :)
Actually it was Kylo Ren who said 'The Supreme Leader is wise' :)
Was it? Oh havnt seen it in a while :)
Anakin in AOTC also said the chancellor is wise so it is not that big of a line
I agree, Plagueis may have moved on from what he was as even Sidious claims he did not learn everything Plagueis knew before attemping to kill him. It is a great part of the story to read and is full of suspense, did he kill him or not.....or did Plagueis let him think he killed him...the body was not found!!!
I would really love for Snoke to be Plagueis. It would tie the whole story together, and make the new trilogy far more pivotal.
no one will read this anyway, a) snoke isn't a sith or a dark side user b) he found a way to prevent death(thanks to midichlorians). he is the grandmaster of the long dead ren order. it was the very first order force users ever created before it split into two fractions; the sith and the jedi . what snoke is trying to do is erase both teachings out of existence and restore the ren to its former glory. he was also the puppeteer of darth sidious, a.k.a darth plagueis, yep palpatine never killed him. the midichlorians were influenced by snoke(plaguies) to impregrante shmi skywalker in order to create an instrument(anakin) to achieve his ultimate goal.(balancing the force)
snoke is basically trying to bring balance to the force, in a fucked up way.
Kappa I saw the film twice yesterday and it still doesn't disprove of Plagueis.
So it still has a probability, hope they tell us in part 9 that he used to be Sidiouses old master without saying Plagueis.
So the true fans know what they mean.
Snoke better be Darth Plagueis the Weis, because that would only make sense
Actually Anakin was born of the Force's as retaliation of Plagueis' attempt to manipulate the force. I do know that Plagueis did attempted to create but the Force intervened, but I don't remember if it was said whether he did succeed in that initial attempt, in this case if he actually did, it would then make sense that Rey is his creation.
Because the words "fulfill your destiny" would only make sense if he knows what Rey's destiny is - because he created her.
Andrew Lee it doesn't 100% indicate whether Plagueis fails or succeeded. However the reason white ray cannot be the result of that attempt at least is because Ray would be older than Luke Skywalker. He would be as old as Anakin would have been now. I'm guessing that to be pushing 80s if not close to 100. Without doing the math.
This never happened canon-wise. The Darth Palgueis book, which tells that story, is now a "Legends" story - confirmed by Disney. What Palpatine told Anakin in Episode III is the only information we have on the character that's canon.
I believe this is correct if you watch the plagueis seen in episode 3 it’s like he is telling anakin that he was created by plagueis. He looks at anakin in an interesting way as he says that plagueis could create life by using midi-chlorian, so why would he tell him that unless he knew how anakin was made and of course palpatine would take an interest in him as a creation from his master.
Did you ever hear the story of Darth Plagueis the wise? I thought not, it's not a story that Disney would tell you.
Beyond me why this doesn’t have more views. Good video 👍
THIS IS A GREAT DISSECTION - MY OTHER POINT IS THAT is that how can be a “new character” and be killed off that quick. YET he’s been around for a while...
Maybe Plagueis realised the secret to immortality (at least in the physical realm) derived from a greater power found only between the light and the dark side. His goal might have been to eradicate the Jedi and abolish the Sith ways so he could rule under a single unification of the force, but Palpatine assassinated him before he could carry out these plans. There's a reason why he's known as Darth Plagueis 'The Wise'; he saw the bigger picture above a petty conflict that's been stretching thousands of years.
Pablo Hidalgo - Lucasfilm’s Star Wars canon expert - has denied Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
Not sure how or why you don’t know about this.
Dude what's old news is you! Hidalgo "The Star Wars canon expert " recently said that hypothetically Darth Plagueis could be alive! If Snoke isn't Darth Plagueis then Disney just stripped James Luceno"s novel "Darth Plagueuis" completely to create Snoke! 1) Both Rich 2) Both 'Wise' 3)Both sit on thrones 4)Both made their apprentices kill their families 5) both don't believe in the Sith Rule of Two (Plagueuis allowed Palpatine to take an apprentice Darth Maul) etc.
I hope he’s plaqueis and in the end of Last Jedi the yuzhaan vong ( the guys who want to kill all living ) comes and all new order and rebellion fight together
I see everyone saying "Oh, maybe Snoke is the name Dark Plagueis uses after Palpatine failed to kill him." But the thing is, Darth Vader's birth name is Anakin. Darth Sidious' birth name is Sheev. Who's to say Darth Plagueis' birth name isn't Snoke? Just a thought.
Snoke better be Plagueis or I'm flipping shit! Lol, but for real though it's too perfect for them to throw it all out for a random force user that's been around, that nobody knew about just made up out of thin air for the plot to have a "bady".
5:38 - Palpatine used that line with both Anakin and Luke, or at least some variation. "You're fulfilling your destiny, Anakin."
I dont doubt that Snoke was written to be Plagueis however it was so quickly realised by the community that i think they abandoned the idea and will adjust it to be something new. Maybe Plageuis's lore gets adjusted to turn into this character, but I would be surprised
*John Williams, not Jonathan Williams
DankFuzzball58 yes thank you!!!
If I remember correctly (?) In a interview they say the trilogy would go full circle with prequal trilogy.
hence .....PLAGIUS .......PLAGUE .............Bane is from the old republic and we saw him in canon...and also in legends her transferred his essence to his apprentice when she killed him....
First theory video I've seen to bring up the "comic-con incident." Lol. I'm glad someone else caught that. Very important!
So basically you are saying Snoke can use the Schwartz with his ring... like in Spaceballs. That would be sweet!
Snoke is Plagueis. Palatine was his apprentice. They always come in twos. Darth Vader was the tool. The hammer to shape the empire.
The name of the track in the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack is called “Palpatine’s Teachings.”
I think he is or should be and it would be awesome. I actually think we won't quite know until 9 and that's what Abrams meant in his interview that they will be trying all the episodes together in a bow. I think plaguies did feed off of palpatines hate and power all along. Plaguies had forseen all that was going to happen and allowed palpatine to try and destroy him (a dark side version of Obi wans sacrifice to grow stronger??) plaguies then created Anakinto fullfil the destiny of wiping out the Sith for good and he renouncing his sith name of Darth plaguies to Snoke(we see Darth maul do similar in clone wars) :)
Ok guys you really missed the point in fact he did use the force but he never uses the dark side power
Where does it say Snoke is thousands of years old? You guys have very flawed information. Read the new canon books.
It was said in the TFA book. What else is "flawed"?
It was not said in the TFA book. I read that book. Tell me what page it says he's thousands of years old? It doesn't. He was described once by Andy Serkis as being "ancient" but that doesn't mean he's thousands of years old. It was implied in the book that he was around to see the rise and fall of the Empire but that doesn't make him thousands of years old either.
you can tell just by the way they attempt to push this theory they are grasping at straws. they spend a lot of time stumbling and stuttering over the words so much about this is flawed
You need to listen to what he said and read the canon novels. There has been a force calling from outside the galaxy for a thousand years. Sidious sent a groups to locate and report back....that is where it comes from. FYI, no one has a good record of the age of each Sith....Plagueis has been around for a long time!!!
just like yall need to listen to everybody who wrote and acted in the movies who clearly said "there are no sith lords in this movie" hence he is not plagueis
what if he's Darth sidious secret apprentice. witch is why JJ said force unleashed isn't cannon and JJ probably plans to make old republic movies after snokes death to show his origins like the prequel did Vader witch is also why JJ says old republic isn't cannon other. it makes seince what if sidious for saw his death and trained snoke to lead a back up empire called the first order
So here’s what i don’t understand about darth plageuis, here’s my thesis: dark plagueis was NOT sidious’s master. Palpatine, when discussing plagueis with anakin, brags that anakin should know the story of the Sith Lord, but of course the Jedi would not teach the tale. However, the sith were invisible, unrevealed to Jedi for ages, how would they know the tale of a recent sith? Furthermore palpatine brags of his knowledge of the dark side, he makes a point that he has researched it extensively, so his claim that anakin should know of palagueis is faulty if anakin is incapable of knowing of such a person. So this leads me to believe plagueis is an ancient sith capable of being learned about even if it would be difficult to find these info, info that the Jedi at least have some knowledge of even if they choose to ignore it.
Plagueis being Palpatine's master, is that even still canon? Which canon novel did it get mentioned in? I just see everyone saying that he was Palpatine's master, yet never been told where that is told, apart from non-canon novels.
cypherdk85 yes it is cannon because palpatine mentions him in the movie which is canon. The book about him is no longer canon, but they were basically telling you in ROTS that he was
The GhastlyGamer Palpatine mentions his name, but does he say that Plagueis was his master?
I know he is canon, I'm talking about being Palpatines master.
Snoke is plaguis in a rejuvinated anakin corpse. The new limbs indicate youzhong vong biotech, because of the fingertips that snoke has. Those new hands aren't human.
Personally I don't want Snoke to be Plagueis. I just feel like it is far too predictable and i want Snoke to be someone new. Too many theories these days are trying to predict who characters really are. Can't they just be themselves? I much prefer the idea of Maz being a jawa and being on the sidelines and having somewhat witnessed whats been going on since Episode 1
I really want snoke to be plagues, but for 2 huge reasons why i know it cant be. 1. In the book aftermath it says sidious felt something so powerful in the uncated space. Plagus was more wise than powerful. Its not likly that his power grew so much in a short time. On that one i conseed thats not as strong; but the other is plagues was a mun (race in star wars sorry abput the spelling) but he was not thounds of years old. His time as a sith lord was kind of short compaired to a lot of others. Sidious ruled longer. As a sith lord not empire. I want to be wrong but i really cant see it being plagues. I think they are saving that gem or a separt movie.... books already been done.
"Supreme leader Snoke" might just be a title and his real name like how Count Dooku was known as his non-sith title
I think the Music was just a blanket For Ominous Darkside sound. Thus why its close but not exactly the same.
Snoke turns out to be a great big nobody
James Mirrordomains They never said in The Last Jedi it wasn't Snoke Tho.
So technically he can still be Plagueis.
Or could have been since he dead now.
Would be a missed opportunity if he wasn't. i reckon he won't be though.
Thank you!!!
I've been saying since TFA that Rey's staff is actually a decrepit light saber staff....which she found on Jakku...
Guess who else had a light saber staff that was a force relic, who went in search of it on Jakku?
I'll continue to say it till my voice goes hoarse.... but i think Plagueis has always been the best kept secret to this new trilogy. Bring it on!!!!
If plagueis hopped into darth Vader’s body wouldn’t he be missing his limbs
But wait. They did the exact thing with crystal in Space Balls!!!
OH. MY. GOD. Snoke is Yogurt CONFIRMED!!!!!
Are you guys still going to do a review of every pirates movie? Just wondering
Rik van der Linden eventually. When we we going to other people started to do it so we didn't want to see a bunch of Pirate's Reviews going up on UA-cam at the same time. That's boring.
Plagueis made Palpatine, not Skywalker. Anakin was created by the force alone. Plagueis made Palps to have a being able to dominate and subvert The Chosen One.
no he didn't you moron
Sidious and plagues movie would be too smart of an idea
Pablo Hidalgo officially confirmed on twitter that Supreme Leader Snoke and Darth Plaguies are too different characters, because he reminded us of the obvious fact that Plaguies IS DEAD and that he DID NOT have the power to stop himself from dying. Palpatine KILLED PLAGUIES AS IN HE'S DEAD NOT ALIVE TO BE SNOKE AND NOT COMING BACK FROM THE DEAD TO BE SNOKE BECAUSE HE NEVER LEARNED TO DO THAT. You make no official citations, only paraphrase passages from books, and use headcanon to connect the dots and then you even use non canon info about Plaguies. Plaguies in canon has no design, no staff, not even an official race. All we know is that he existed and was once Palpatine's master, he tried to find a way to cheat death and create life but failed to learn how to apply such knowledge to himself, and that as a result of that Palpatine killed him and became the new Lord of the Sith. But its okay to ignore all of that information because it supports your pointless Plaguies theory thats already been debunked by an official source.
"I dont read the books, so it's hard for me to remember"... Don't feel bad, you can't actually remember it, if you didn't actually read it.
Emily Hofland so Im not allowed to remember what I read about the books?? Or you didn't think that far?
A lot of people say smoke being plaguies would discredit what palpatine accomplished and I say it doesn't at all. Palpatine still fooled the jedi and ruled the galaxy for decades. AND what was his number 1 weakness?? His overconfidence. Plaguies used Palpatines weakness to literally wipe out the sith and take over as the strongest force user. Luke didn't run and hide. He was probably beaten and badly. So badly he lost his nephew and faith in himself. Luke knows the only way he can rectify his mistakes is by hitting the archives at the first jedi temple. 😁
If he were Plagueis he would be the strongest thing in the universe, immortal, he wouldnt need Kylo or anyone else, so Snoke should be someone else he looks so worried about luke and rey...
Jonathan Williams??? it´s John...
I believe it 100% without a doubt. However, light saber in Snokes ring ? Anyone remember space balls?
An interesting theory. Yet he turned out to be Goldmember.
Snoke is something completely new from outside the galaxy from someplace else in the universe. Its a different kind of dark sider not encountered by the Jedi. But what is he doing on a giant Imperial starship? INVADERS!
Great theory, however, this is not Rian's writing style. He's going to alienate many fans after this movie. I disagree with him making Luke a coward and weak. In fact during D23, Kathleen Kennedy had to reassure the audience after Mark spoke, that what his said wasn't true, Luke is important. There's going to be changes to fit Rian's vision, and a lot of people are not going to be happy. That why he wants no part of 9. Will it be a good movie. I predict an Amazing movie, just not what direction all the characters should of had. The important thing is that the casual young fan is going to love it. The are the future. What we are expecting is not important to them. Just be prepared to see Snoke as something else. Even Rian said Snoke was not a priority. He was more working on make Tran's character Rose the breakout and unexpected hero in the movie. That was what was important to him. I'm still going to enjoy the movie. I just had to reset my mind, and keep the logical direction out of my head and see where Rian takes it.
Snoke isn't Plagueis because snoke is an ancient sith from the Old Republic and order 66 woke him up because he said he saw the fall of the Empire.
The Fall of the Empire took place in Episode 6...which allowed for the First Order to come out of it. Snoke is Ancient too. Which we talked about.
As did everyone lolol
And your proof....you cannot openly deny someone's theory and then claim your theory needs no backing.
Snoke is Caliban from Wolverine. Same scars same yellow robe
Gonna give this a solid “ no he’s not”
snoke is darth bane who is darth plagiues........bane changed his name long ago to plagiues and has been essence transferring for a long time....
Good connection!
So the plagues is Rey.
Pablo Hidalgo - Lucasfilm’s Star Wars canon expert - has denied Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
Help me Darth Plagueis theory!... You're my only hope!
Snoke isn't Plagueis...read the Aftermath books. Plagueis is dead in Canon as stated by Palpatine in ROTS. Snoke is Snoke. A malevolent power Sidious sensed out in the Unknown Regions. If he was Plagueis, Palpatine would have sensed it was his master, not a dark force power that rivaled his own out in the middle of nowhere.
Please elaborate. Pray tell how am I a "monkey"? You being a racist douchebage? Or just an idiot troll?
I will be pretty upset if you are right lol, but I wouldn't be surprised. I am banking that he is an ancient sith. That's all I've got lol.
He was also said to "cheat death". You selectively chose what was said, disregarding an important part.
And you selectively have left out ALL of the Aftermath books where it goes into GREAT DETAIL...that Palpatine sensed the presence of a powerful darkside force out in the Unknown Regions...that he devised a contingency plan for the remnants of the Empire to seek out this presence in the event of his death. If it was just his old master, he wouldn't sense that it was him? He wouldn't send expeditionary forces out to find his old master and prepare for the Empire's demise, he'd send them to KILL him (or do so himself). And we don't KNOW he could "cheat death" as Palpatine says that to Anakin during his seduction and so conveniently doesn't know the secret once Anakin pledges himself to him. AND you also selectively leave out that Pablo Hidalgo said on Twitter: "@pablohidalgo: Plagueis was killed by his apprentice. He is dead." Pablo has never lied about canon. He's dead.
He doesn't have "sith eyes"...my thoughts are he's a "Celestial" which is now Legends that they could have poached from for him: The Celestials, also known as the Architects, were an ancient civilization who were present long before the dawn of the galactic community and even the Rakatan Infinite Empire. Believed to be responsible for a number of large artifacts and anomalous planetary formations and species placements throughout the galaxy, what little was known of the Celestials came from xenoarchaeology. The Jedi and the Sith alike theorized that the balance between the light and dark sides of the Force was actually under the guidance of the Celestials.
I hate to break it to you... but this isn't true. It's almost been confirmed at this point. It's a cool theory, we know. But you're wrong.
Ghost World no they are actually right
Feel free to back pedal, on December 16th.
Ghost World I dont think so... I'm also the one every called crazy when I said Kylo was Hans son.. 🤔🤔🤔 how did that go?
We've seen a lot of people say we are absolutely wrong. We've seen people say they completely agree. I can tell you that Tyler and I will be having a video on this the week after The Last Jedi comes out either saying we were right, and you can all apologize then, or that we were wrong and talk about what that means for the future of Star Wars (In regards to Snoke)
Pablo Hidalgo - Lucasfilm’s Star Wars canon expert - has denied Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
Well as it turns out, this theory has been proven wrong. In the, The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary, it clearly states that "Snoke is powerful in the darkside of the force, but he is no Sith. That thousand year old lineage stretching from Darth Bane to the last Sith Lord, Darth Vader, was undone when Vader died destroying his mentor, Darth Sidious. The fulfillment of an ancient prophecy foretold the end of the Sith, but it never predicted the end of darkness." So it's officially been confirmed, Snoke is not a Sith Lord, whether it's Plagueis, a reincarnated Sidious, or any other Sith. In fact, this actually confirms that the Sith no longer exist and have been completely wiped out.
Yes, he's no longer a sith. He stopped being one when Palpatine "killed" him and took the place of Master in accordance with the Rule of Two.
I'm not sure you understood what I said.
You said he's not a sith. I said that doesn't stop him from being Plagueis because Plagueis stopped being a Sith when Palpatine took his place as Master.
I'll begin by saying, what I wrote was a direct quote from The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary and not my own words. So trying to find a loophole around the official material they put out because you think you're going to prove me wrong is pretty futile. As far as what you're saying..... for that to be true, that would mean Palpatine killed Plagueis, as you pointed out. So if you believe what you're saying that means you believe Plagueis is dead, in which case he still couldn't be Snoke. Unless your argument is that Palpatine never actually killed him, which would mean Palpatine never rose to become a Sith Lord because his master never died. Which just has even further consequences down the line, like if he never became a Sith Lord then Vader (or any other of his apprentice) wouldn't have been a sith either. Per the rule of two, you'd have Plagueis (the master who was never killed) and Sidious (the apprentice who never rose to master)... so there would have been no others. But really that's all irrelevant for two main reasons. First, just because a Sith dies, doesn't mean he stops being a sith. Darth Bane, the original sith.... is still known as a Sith Lord. He obviously died long before the events in the movies, but no one has ever once called him Bane, the former Sith. You're kidding yourself trying to pretend that's how it works. Second, the movie is out, we've seen it, and not only is Snoke not Plagueis, but who Snoke is isn't even relevant. His only importance is being a hurdle for Kylo to overcome on his way to obtaining more power and becoming the new leader of the first order. So really no matter how you look at it, you are just....... wrong.
What if Snoke is Sim Aloo or Janus Greejatus
i truly believe kylo ren and rey are brother and sister and snoke is close to plagueis the wise as possible
Holy shit. What if Rey is Plagueis using rey as a vessel.
Victor Contreras My thoughts exactly... the Plagueis book isn't cannon but they still never acknowledge just how he could cheat death... I almost think he has some body snatching ability... he was grooming Kylo for this and then he discovered Rey who is more powerful...
I think Snoke is Plagueis and he is not dead.
Then prepare to be surprised.
I agree with this 100%.
Jacob Cohen - sorry but Pablo Hidalgo - Lucasfilm’s Star Wars canon expert - has denied Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
I kinda lost hope in this theory... I think this Theory and most of them are pretty solid and it makes total sense I mean the book is one of the best books ever in Star Wars. It makes total sense that they would make it Canon because it ties everything together and does it damn good job of it. The only thing that shuts all this down is Disney and the directors. It's pretty clear that they will do anything in their power to keep these three movies as far away from the prequels as possible there is no stopping the anti prequel movement it's an obsession and it goes all the way to the top for this reason alone I don't think it's going to be snoke. Just think about it we didn't see one species somebody can correct me if I'm wrong but one species from the prequel movies or Clone Wars. Help they followed the damn first movie verbatim
Plaguis was a Munn from Munilinsk the Munn home world
I read the book, he is definitely Plaugus
the ring idea reminds me too much of spaceballs... Not saying you're wrong... just saying
He probably reveals that he created anakin and Rey. Her destiny is she was meant to be a vessel for his force suck
if snoke is plagueis ..why does snoke have a holigram of plagueis
Uh...what..
Snoke is not a munn. Plagues was a Munn.
Darth Yeti plagues race of Muun is no longer cannon. For now he literally has no race. The only description we have that is cannon is that he's tall and humanoid.
On wookipedia yes they also say he died before the invasion of Naboo. Which we know is false as he was present on coruscant. I only acknowledge Him as Muun.
Darth Yeti
He wasnt present on coruscant... All we know is what Palpatine said in rots now. No other material has explained or mentioned plageuis
Sorry not everything that disney has done has been good. Plagueis is a Muun or at least inhabited one. Im not simply erasing memories of reading books and comics because Pablo Hidalgo said I should. Fuck him and Fuck Disney.
Darth Yeti
Uh excuse me? Are you merging the canon? If you hate it then go read your books as you are simply confusing yourself and others with this munn bs.
And what exactly is bad qbout the new canon? Its far more cohesive. Artfully crafted and planned than the mismash of the eu ever could have been
yeah Snoke is a galactic Hugh Heffner
on achto with rey and luke you hear darth vaders music at 1.5 speed playing
Jonathan Williams...? Getting the name of one of the most famous and iconic film composers wrong...
His name is John Williams, commonly referred to as Jonathan. What did we say wrong?
"this is unbelievable to me..." This guy like reads nothing and never watches movies. ... Once again, fictional story can kinda do what it wants. Because you don't have to believe it. It's just entertainment.
Emily Hofland learn English. Never watches movies? What in the holy hell are you talking about?
Please please PLEASE stop thinking snoke is plagueis, because he's not.
Still think he's Boba Fett
Oh my god. More than one person is wise..
Apparently not..
I don't believe Snoke is Plageius. I would be very interested if he was but...he isn't. I can tell.
View #11,000! I really hope Snoke is Plagueis reborn.
I am starting to believe that Rey is more powerful then Anakin.
Snoke is Bor Gullet
You ramble too much, so I was bored after a few minutes. You may have an interesting theory but you've not convinced me to watch and find out.
You need to grab attention in the first few minutes with an energetic, exciting, interesting introduction. I don't mean clickbait, just an enthusiastic, scripted overview of what you'll talk about.
I'd stick to shorter videos (e.g.10-15mins) as these will encourage you to be concise and clear. If that isn't long enough to discuss the subject you can always make a follow up video.
it makes too much sense, so they wont make snoke be Plagueis
Spoilers for the movie from the premiere last night have already been released. As I said Snoke is not Plageuis ". So now you all were wrong. Case closed.
Robert Esposito They never revealed his backstory so how do you know?
@ PAIR of Sneakerheads I saw the movie. Its said in the movie. The Prime Jedi is referred to in the Journal of Whills which Luke explains to Rey. I mean I can spoil the whole thing for you if You'd like.
Snoke is snoke
NOOOOO actually... He is NOT =D , stop pushing this ship already it is completely and utterly FALSE. Snoke IS NOOTTTTTTTT Darth Plagueis Jesus this is beyond over-with already WHY are you ppl STILLLLL tryin to push this ship???? I cannot WAIT for you to see just how wrong you are. "OMG HIS MUSIC IS THE SAME HES PLAGUIES!!!!" LMAO Jesus dude can you reach ANY further????
Your Snoke theory blows. He is not fucking Plagueis.
Spoiler
This theory doesn’t age well
old news man nice regurgitation
We just started _our_ Star Wars Community Series and wanted to talk about it. Is that okay with you? The ring with a Kyber crystal is not that old, it's just over a month old.
Podcast Now - Actually the “old news” is that Pablo Hidalgo - Lucasfilm’s Star Wars canon expert - has denied Snoke is Darth Plagueis.
The theory held up when tfa held up but now smoke is becoming more and more his own person
And you know this how? No one has seen The Last Jedi, which is literally the movie that will progress this theory further or discontinue it. So this theory still holds up until December 15 when we find more out about Snoke.
Yup plaguies it is all the way. Wouldn't wanted any other way
I knew this before TFA came out and it sucked, Disney is gonna fuck this up hard.
Pablo Hidaldo stated there were no Sith in The Force Awakens. Since he is in charge of the canon for Star Wars now, Snoke is not Plagius. Snoke is something new. He is not a Sith.
Plagueis, if alive and is actually Snoke, would no longer consider himself to be a Sith. It would mirror Luke's abandonment of the Jedi. Much like Luke sees the problem with the Jedi approach to the Force, Plagueis/Snoke acknowledges the shortcomings of the Sith.
If Snoke is Plagius he would no longer be a Sith, much like Maul who gave up or lost the title. Since Sidious fought Plagius and won, Plagius was stripped of title or Plagius lost on purpose and ascended passed a Sith.
I don't know too well all the SW lore, so my views are partial on this. That said though, I sit somewhere in between people like you that knows soooo much about the lore and the more casual viewer that might know just the movies. I think Snoke will be something new and not too difficult to explain 'historically'. On some other video someone was suggesting he might be some kind of off-shoots from the Whills. That might make some kind of sense: it will be reasonably new for movie goers and will please more hard-core fans. Also the Whills have be mentioned in Rogue One and, judging by the trailers, it will be mentioned by Luke. So they are coming into the frame in the widest SW lore (I mean in the mainstream lore= movies). So he might has well be some kind 'fallen' Whill.
2nd guy talking... does not really come across as an expert on the subject. Sorry. Just doesnt. 1st guy, well spoken, discussed facts, and doesnt say..."uhhh, well, i dead somwwhere...i cant remember in the movie...uhhh"
That said, I believe this theory is plausible for sure
A fallen sith that's is drained of power is no longer considered a sith but I find it hard to believe snoke isn't juts a new character to drive further installments with not older characters mentioned in anything Lucas did
He's not. Period. So when you find that out from the movie come back here and admit you are incorrect.
Robert Esposito NEVER!!!!!
Robert Esposito I will. You have my word. I expect the same if I'm right and he is
Dont get me wrong a lot of people have fallen into this theory. I know some things about the movie from where I used to work. It will surprise you on who he really is.
As you will when you find out he is, right?
Yep deal
Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson already said it's not Plagues
Gullible.
Nope... Snoke is Malek
noooooppppeeeeee snoke is his own thing old as fuck the reason why the jedi existed in the first place. and rey is a solo twin sister to kilooooo
spook1111111111111 twin??? They're 10 years apart and that's a fact from the book
lol sure mean brother n sister not literally