Imagine being human and making some robots. They decide to take your place, so you mess with genetics to reclaim your place, only to doom humanity further. That's a true Palpatine "Ironic" situation.
Palpatine said it was Darth Plageuis "ironic" fate that he taught others to overcome death and create life, but could not prevent his own death at the hand of the person he taught how to prevent dying. It's double irony. I don't see how this applies to Raphael Marks. A lot of tropes apply to Marks, but not this kind of ironic fate.
Great recommendation. Currently reading it. Really appreciate it. *However: kinda sad - the first line in the "To Mars" chapter opens with the idea of political unification :( Hopefully we will achieve this as a species one day. But your recommendation is great. Gonna keep reading
With so many haters caught up on Eves looks, its nice to find a channel that focuses on how great the story is. I was impressed with its depth after my first playthrough, reading all the data logs, chips and talking to nocs throughout. The whole world is filled with storytelling if a player looks past Eve's tight latex and leather clad booty.
Your comment means a lot. I appreciate the feedback and share the same sentiments as you regarding how deep the game is if only people could get past what they saw on the exterior. Although, I'm not complaining about the exterior at all, haha.
Watched this video last night and listened to it again while I worked today. You’re the best stellar blade UA-camr by leagues and miles. Please continue making videos about the game 🙏🙏
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Considering mother sphere didn't malfunction, the premise of the game could be the answer of a riddle by an ai. If you replace a rotten piece of wood from a boat, to what point, given enough replacement, does it become a new boat? Ms' answer is that if artificial arms, legs, organs, blood, etc still make the humans that use it human, how is all of the human being replaced not still human? Humans just need to have the form, not the biology. Humans could thus be interpreted as bipedal beings as some robots are just walking guns. Them just being robots is th being human, and since they are stronger, killing the weaker doesn't violate the idea of protecting humans if they are replaced. That's my guess anyway. Last guess is Marks made ms in the image of his dead daughter and kindness of his dead wife. She may have been a nurse or something, thus the task to protect humanity. People talk about the sexuality in the game a lot, but Adam having no lust despite being human suggests that aspect of him is dead. Family dead can contribute to that, as well as redemption as he says. Lastly, the archives, orcals dwelling and labs look similar. They could all have been made by marks before the wars and the cities renamed.
I'm so glad you said that about the possibility of him having a daughter that died and he made MS in her image. I was thinking that when we first see MS at the end of the game. She obviously look like a girl or young teenager and she's wearing that kinda kiddy pajama outfit. It definitely made me think Raphael Marks could have used a daughter he once had as the possibility of her visual design.
I did find it very interesting they chose not to go the romance route, though there are a few lines here and there that could suggest it (like when Adam is flustered about Eve's haircut). But by the end it was clear that whatever he felt toward Eve, it wasn't romantic. Or if there was any romantic feeling, it was irrelevant.
Raphael Mark's AI servant Raffy refers to the _Legionaires_ as the "Airborne Squad". The Legionaires are regular Andro-Eidos which were soldiers under Mother Sphere's command and which fought against Naytibas during the _Final War._
Oh so is this the solution to that? Is this referenced somewhere? Please let me know :) This has been plaguing my mind with regards to the potential continuity error. Thanks for pointing this out.
@@unlistednaytiba It's not explicitely stated in the game. I deducted this from the content of the Legionaire's memory sticks. They fought for Mother Sphere for several years. Many of them complained about having waited decades for getting rescued from a hopeless military situation by Mother Sphere, but eventually lost hope and faith in Mother Sphere when no rescue attempt was made. Some Legionaires decided to go to the Orbital Elevator to avoid getting killed by Naytibas, but were killed on the way. Several dead Legionaires described they have hid from Naytibas for years, but either got killed or ran out of energy in their body cell. Several Legionaires' memories describe that the _colony extinction_ (the dropping of the space habitation modules down to Earth by Mother Sphere) was the last straw of hope that broke. The 7 yearly waves of Angels sent to reclaim Earth (the _EVE protocol_ ) happened after all Legionaires died and were Mother Sphere's reaction to the failure of the Legionaires. The Legionaires being part of Airborne Squads that were sent to Earth *before* the first _Angels_ squad is the only logical link that connects these facts with what Raffy said. Remember that the Legionaires are Andro-Eidos soldiers and that the colony was populated by Andro-Eidos and all Andro-Eidos on Earth had a data link with the colony via the _Network_ until Mother Sphere destroyed all infrastructure on Earth via the colony extinction.
Spot on, all those Legionaires are older Andro-Eidos soldiers who died for Mother Sphere, or who distrusted Xion’s society and left. The memory sticks in NG+ make more sense now.
Lily is technically the litlitth But biblical litlitth didn't listen to Adam probably didn't like him Lily initially argues with him etc.. Then again Raven did disobey a lot
I haven't been this invested in a game in a very long time. I never played a game back to back before Stellar Blade. Im glad i found your channel to learn that the lore is pretty extensive. I dont usually read all of the logs so thank you for putting the work in to piece the lore together
Adam stated that he's been experimenting for decades on how to fuse an ando-eidos and nativa. it could be that all this time he's still been using the facilities post final-war, and at some point mother sphere found them. Adam probably moved his experimenting base of operations to somewhere in xion after the levoire locations were compromised. Raffy could be referring to airborne squad 1, a time period before Raven.
I never thought of that, and I think you're right. That would make sense. There was initially an outbreak, and Adam somehow escaped, but then came back to use the facilities. My thought was that he is using the Nest as his new base of operations - some of the descriptions and documents in the game state that Orcal is bringing in Naytiba to the cradle, but I believe orcal is supplying Adam with Naytiba to continue experiments. Maybe he is using a combination of the nest and the facilities at Levoires - this is why he was able to place the legacy recordings at the Levoires for EVE to "find."
@@unlistednaytiba I’ve learned a lot from you about the whole story. And yes they should make a DLC about Tachy, Lily, Adam, Orcal and even Mother Sphere.. we need more background story! ❤️
I believe there was a mistake in the writing of the Stellar Blade Story that was not detected. The creation of the Angels happened after the Naytiba took over the Earth. There had to be other android units that Raffy was referring to when Mother Sphere found their location. I was questioning the contradiction as well.
Either could be a mistake or something else that was pointed out to me: Perhaps Adam continues to use the location. We know that either he or Raven goes back to plant the infinity cells for EVE to find, so Adam could still have access to the levoirs and continue to use them even after the final war is over.
Great Deep Dive. One thing You may have forgot to mention is that there maybe a possible linking to the Elite Neytiba Karakuri and Enya's history as when you listen to the recordings in the abandoned opera house in the Great Desert, it specifically mentions Karakuri as apart of a play that Enya was apart of. Might just be a name drop alluding to the Karakuri boss later on, but I like to think there maybe a connection there.
OH yea, definitely missed that. I think the rule of thumb for anything found in documents, descriptions, etc. in Stellar Blade is that it is meant to be a linking to the main story line/threads. I think that because this was Shift Up's first AAA game, they put in a lot of lore/story through this way that they otherwise would have been able to put into actual cutscenes or dialogue because they simply didn't have the experience, funds, or manpower to do so. Now that they have their first AAA game under their belt, it's going to be truly amazing to see what they do next.
Heck yea. I have a couple working on now. I do want to get into the characters and do videos on each of them. Adam would definitely be one of the first in a character series.
RAFFY could still mean the Airborne Squad just not the Angel Airborne Squad. It seems likely that Mother Sphere had an Airborne Squad since the Humans and Andro-Edios started fighting. Airborne Squadrons are a common part of military forces. The Angels could just be a later iteration after Mother Sphere saw the potential for an Elite Airborne Squadron.
I may have some clarity regarding RAFFY and its mention of the Airborne Squad (between 25:46 - 29:00). You would certainly never find "Angel" on a human-owned computer system--it's a moniker used by the *Andro-Eidos* throughout the game in reference to EVE, Lily, and other Airborne Squad members. However, I do not believe RAFFY's application of the term in the Log Data "Attack Detected" is a mistake. The Journal "Kill Mother Sphere," which is also found in Abyss Levoire, states "ANDROIDS ARE RAINING DOWN ON OUR EARTH THEY KEEP COMING AND COMING AND COMING THEY ARE ANGELS OF DEATH THEY WILL KILL US ALL OUR PLAN IS THE ONLY HOPE WE MUST EVOLVE THAT IS THE ONLY ANSWER...". Conclusively written by "old" humanity, this journal describes what might have been the beginning of Mother Sphere's EVE Protocol. The Eidos 7 Memorystick "Respite of the Hopeful" complements the journal and shines light on one of the game's many dualistic motifs: "Just received the comms signal from a new unit. The EVE Protocol begins. Angels of Death will descend from the Colony. They will rid Naytibas from Earth and save us. Mother Sphere's salvation is nigh. I'm thankful I lived through this hell for decades." The Legionnaire's memory is additional evidence that EVE is not called "Angel" because she is beautiful or fell from space, but because she and her contemporaries are perceived as "Angels of Death," by both their human enemies and android allies. Whether this is coincidence or evidence of Mother Sphere's dark humor is speculation. Regarding the timeline, the "Lost 72 Years" could be referencing the actual length of time Mother Sphere has been absent from Earth, considering "The Last Words of the Hopeless" recounts that "decades have passed since the appearance of Naytibas and the evacuation of humankind to the Colony," and "Lament of the Disappointed" states Mother Sphere left the people of Earth "for decades" (and sent shabby soldiers to boot).
Great comment - agree. One thing you comment on is Mother Sphere's dark humor. I think there's a lot more to explore here. There's a lot of "human" things she does and creates that would be great to explore further. Nice that you pointed that out.
Well, Providence scanned Eve and determined her to be naytiba before attacking. So I think she is, or at least mother sphere considers her, a naytiba still. But maybe some level above alpha and elder classification. I don't know if Adam is conscious inside her, but I think at the very least Eve has access to his knowledge. Since she can use and control her new powers without a problem, but also when the battle ended and Lily said that a lot of things have happened, Eve says "and even more is about to happen" it gives me the impression that she knows something is up.
Definitely correct about the providence scanning EVE and sensing Naytiba that way. That's a good way to think of it. I think Adam, not MS is truly behind everything since he created MS. SO perhaps EVE does have access to Adam's thoughts, knowledge, etc. and can see what he planned.
It wasn’t so much Providence as it was Mother Sphere observing remotely. Recall it’s Colony tech and, with the Demogorgon killed, there is no electromagnetic field blocking NETWORK traffic anymore. The exosuit accompanied Eve throughout the entire dialogue with Adam, but once she achieved apotheosis, Mother Sphere’s priorities changed. If you pause during the battle with the Airborne Squad legion, the mission name and description states “EVE Protocol - Mother Sphere views Eve as a threat.” The story ends with bittersweet contention between Eve and Mother Sphere and it’s difficult to speculate what the future holds.
This game's story is so f*cking good, its buried under shoddy english voice acting, and Dark Souls-Esque vaguery (up until the last stretch) but its f*cking golden. Even if apparently its very very similar to Nier: Automata.
Esthetically it is similar but the combat is very different, nier's combat is faster and a bit more chaotic. Its also mixed with elements of bullet hell shmups stuff like having to dodge and navigate around many waves of bullet and bullet patterns. Stellar blades combat is def more on the soulsborne end more than anything else. They're both great though
@@Christopher_Roa Even the story is considerably different when one thinks about it, but still enough similarities and homages to evoke a warm sense of familiarity. It references all kinds of classic stories, but combines them into something new and unique.
@@Taikaru Yeah i dont think its that similar to Automata. It has similarities of course but overall its pretty different. Nier is more fantastical (it has aliens for example) and is much more about the relationships, romantic and familial, between the characters. Stellar Blade focuses less on the relationships and more on the overarching narrative. Both are very philosophical though Nier is more explicit about it (it has a lot more direct dialogue rather than just text logs) Yoko Taro is a mad genius so its tough comparing anything to Nier. In contrast, Kim Hyung-tae just seems like a normal guy :D
The computers are still running. If the logs go directly from the labs to Adam's ship, the airborne squad could be refering to literally Raven's group. And the computer is referring to the naytiba in the test tubes who are still alive, but still unstable. Unless there is a definitive point where Raffy dies, it might as well still be running to the end of the game, but Adam cannot go inside the labs because they are now guarded, thus the connection between just raffy and the ship. Tl;dr Adam and raffy have a direct link without having to go into the labs that are now guarded, and he's keeping track of those test subjects up to gameplay. Some logs were active weeks ago.
good thought. Could you elaborate on what you meaen with your last sentence about the logs being active weeks ago? What logs are you talking about? I'm very curious to read them. Do they have a timestamp or specific details that clue you into the timeline of events? Thanks :)
Happy Kratos is a naytiba all along. 😱 Seriously, thank you for offering some sense out of the scattered lore and dialogue the game gives us. It may not be vague on the level of a Soulsborne game, but I do get confused over a few things like even Orcal's background. Looking forward to whatever DLC or sequel Shift Up comes up with.
... Altho the connotations for the genocide of the Naytiba are there. Mother Sphere tried to kill the Native Species of Earth. I wouldn't even be offended because it mirrors actual history. There will always be beings and robots that are threatened by "anything different from them." (paraphrased from Disney's Tarzan) I'm Glad the third ending not only saved but reconciled everyone except Mother Sphere.
In the Elder Naytiba's character information (obtained after you complete the RETURN TO COLONY ending where you fight and Kill Adam/Elder Naytiba), it states when he evolved into the Elder Naytiba he developed the ability to create life. This is something I actually missed while making this video, as I had only completed the MAKING NEW MEMORIES ending at the time. Since he has the ability to create life, I assume this also stops his aging (that's why he still looks young 72+ years after the Final War) and would also not subcumb to an infectious like appearance like the other Naytiba do. WHY does this happen with only Adam? No one knows. But because the eolutionary capabilities of Naytiba - which path the take while evolving - depends on the environment, I am guessing that when he was evolved into Naytiba, because he was THE CREATOR, in that he created Mother Sphere, the evolutionary path that took in his body considered his past life as Raphael Marks and somehow the power to create life was a result. *This is kinda just a thought and it involves getting kinda "meta" because him as THE CREATOR does not hold any biological significance - it's only what he did in his past life with the creation of Mother Sphere. But to answer your question, again, Naytiba evolution is all random and based on what the environment the specimen/life form is in.
Yeah curious to know what the official word is on this. I've now heard other suggestions that they changed it to not make the origin of Naytiba too obvious.
Honestly I think the whole reason Shift Up changed the name from NA:tives to Naytiba is because someone told them it made it way too obvious too early in the plot for English speakers that the enemies are mutated humans. And changing the name did work to obfuscate this plot point, I was on the Stellar Blade subreddit and a Korean-American player admitted even he did not realize the true significance of the Naytiba name until near the end of the game despite being a fluent Korean speaker.
27:00 No need to be confused. To be airborne simply means to be deployable by aerial means, like from airplanes, helicopters, etc... Airborne squads already exist in the real world. Andro-Eidos airborne squads probably already existed in the Final War, then evolved into the form in Stellar Blade as the only insertion method from the colony to the surface would be with drop pods.
Yes this is what I thought at first... it was pointed out the data log is at a different point in time from after the Final War ends - Raphael Marks just stayed in the Levoire to continue to use it. Could be either option.
There is a document in the game (forget what it is exactly) that states the Angels at the embodiment of Mother Sphere. MS is quite feminine so perhaps she designs them this way.
Fosho. Trying to improve on them. This game has a lot of content revealed in al the documents, so a lot to to share in future videos. Appreciate having baby jeus rocking with the videos :)
Andro eidoes no human dna at all but looks more human then human natyba with all human dna . But strangely enough the more advanced naytibas look more like biblically accurate angels.
Possibly. We just simply don't know... bummer. I too heard there was some content cut. Hopefully Sony continues their BTS series on Shift Up. It's a shame they only put out two of them so far on the Sony YT channel.
Difficult to say but definitely a possibility. I interpret the Tachy boss fight as her resisting. If you notice she takes a really long time to attack EVE if you just stand there. So it is possible Alphas have some control over their mutations.
At the end of new game plus hard mode and the game gets so good when you learn the combat and start throwing out purposeful chained combos. I’m smoking everything worse than normal mode😅 I’m worried about Raven though. She’s coming up and was really the only boss in the whole game that gave me trouble.
I agree. Doing the counter +2 extra hit combo (forgot what it was called) feels extremely satisfying. Only Raven gave you a hard time? For me it was Raven and Providence Mech Suit back to back that gave me a hard time.
@@unlistednaytiba yea Raven second faze gets me. Especially on hard mode u die in like 2 sword swings. The last boss where Adam turns into the alpha is honestly the hardest. I can’t imagine beating him on hard it would be crazy. Gorgeous fight though.
@@unlistednaytiba yea my set up on new game plus was a bunch of crit rate and crit damage enhancements and the combo chain exospine. Holding the last button press on a combo to enhance it with that beta energy does insane damage. I would use the burst skill that makes you attack faster in conjunction, it was pretty brutal most the game until the last two bosses.
@@unlistednaytiba Actually, I keep your videos. I want to watch your video slowly and in detail. I can invest my time, but I don't want to just skim through it. I saw this video too late. I know they was posted on UA-cam. I know A Raven video was also posted. Good job.
Maybe the first airborne squad was made to find and finish off the last remaining humans, but then naytibas came before that could happen, airborne squad members have always been made to combat "evolved" humans afterall
The story and lore of Stellar Blade is pretty fuckin good just sucks the way the went of delivery the story turned people off and made it seem like it was bad
@@malcolmsaintprobably because in order to understand the plot You need to read tons of in Game documents, most people don't even bother SO they miss a lot of vital information then they reach to the conclusion that the story is bad, when in reality it's a very cool plot, you just have to piece together the info
@@禁じられた2人 It's kinda similar to Metroid Prime where understanding the plot requires reading pages and pages of documents, but that game conditions players to the expectation they must find and read all the logbook entries because there are no characters to interact with and zero voice acting from Samus.
@@AICW yeah that's good example, i love Metroid prime and yes not only you have to read the logs but you Also have to find them all and some of them are quite tricky to find
Yep, I was ending up making Stellar Blade content anyway... I would love to make God of War content one day as that's a big game series for me.. maybe one day could make both :)
Fun fact: American natives used to kill each other. It wasnt all kumbaya. Also there was colonized countries all over the world. Not just the American colonist
So Humans create AI, AI shows the middle finger to humans and create android, then AI shows middle finger to android. Moral of the story Don't create AI
Heck yea. Maybe one day I could do God of War videos - could be a "God of Naytiba" ... um maybe not. that's a horrible name. gotta workshop that a little bit. haha. Your comment brought a smile to my face.
I thought it would ruin the plot twist to call them natives, which would give away the fact that they are native to earth. Calling them natives but then saying they came from space would be nonsense. So calling them a nonsense word that hints at their origin works better.
This lore still have one huge hole. How humanity can possibly lost war to androids? Many people are afraid of AI but it have one fatal weakness, and that is electronics vulnerability on EMP. Humanity right now have enought of nuclear wepons to cover entire earth by electromagnetic radiation created by a nuclear explosions. With means secanario of another Fallout is far more propability than lore of Stellar Blade.
In some of the exospine descriptions, Eidos intentionally left tons of backdoors in almost all their products and bribed governments not to close them. This would have left so many world militaries easily accessible to Mother Sphere's control when she started her war.
as @AICW mentioned, I think Raphael Marks / Eidos did create with the intention of being able to maintain "control" through the backdoors, however it's difficult to know at what point did Raphael Marks/real organic human beings have control and at what point did that control turn over to Mother Sphere because the narrative implies at a point, they were both in control of Eidos until MS started to create AI on her own. I think because she was an ASI, she simply grew at an astonishing and uncontrollable rate until she was able to quickly take over - she supported the Androids so this is why they quickly "won".
Imagine being human and making some robots. They decide to take your place, so you mess with genetics to reclaim your place, only to doom humanity further. That's a true Palpatine "Ironic" situation.
"It's all part of the plan" - Joker. hahaha
Literally the plot of guilty gear
I find it to be really interesting how this hidden story unfolds as you progress in the game.
Palpatine said it was Darth Plageuis "ironic" fate that he taught others to overcome death and create life, but could not prevent his own death at the hand of the person he taught how to prevent dying. It's double irony. I don't see how this applies to Raphael Marks. A lot of tropes apply to Marks, but not this kind of ironic fate.
Knowing that the Naytiba’s are humans and how wildly different they each look and act really makes me think of the All Tomorrows book and it’s humans
Great recommendation. Currently reading it. Really appreciate it. *However: kinda sad - the first line in the "To Mars" chapter opens with the idea of political unification :( Hopefully we will achieve this as a species one day.
But your recommendation is great. Gonna keep reading
Its funny how both mother sphere and Rafael are fighting for something one yearns and another lost yet neither can obtain; humanity.
Yes, terrific storytelling and character arcs
Your Stellar Blade content is truly amazing and fascinating. Thank you for the time and work.
Heck yea. Appreciate your comment and having you here.
With so many haters caught up on Eves looks, its nice to find a channel that focuses on how great the story is. I was impressed with its depth after my first playthrough, reading all the data logs, chips and talking to nocs throughout. The whole world is filled with storytelling if a player looks past Eve's tight latex and leather clad booty.
Your comment means a lot. I appreciate the feedback and share the same sentiments as you regarding how deep the game is if only people could get past what they saw on the exterior. Although, I'm not complaining about the exterior at all, haha.
Very entertaining (as usual)
You're my favorite channel when it comes to Stellar Blade
Your feedback is great. Trying to improve more to make better content. Really appreciate you riding with these videos :)
You have become my fav stellar blade content creator!
I love the lore and story of this game
Love these deep dives haha
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Watched this video last night and listened to it again while I worked today. You’re the best stellar blade UA-camr by leagues and miles. Please continue making videos about the game 🙏🙏
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Considering mother sphere didn't malfunction, the premise of the game could be the answer of a riddle by an ai. If you replace a rotten piece of wood from a boat, to what point, given enough replacement, does it become a new boat? Ms' answer is that if artificial arms, legs, organs, blood, etc still make the humans that use it human, how is all of the human being replaced not still human? Humans just need to have the form, not the biology.
Humans could thus be interpreted as bipedal beings as some robots are just walking guns. Them just being robots is th being human, and since they are stronger, killing the weaker doesn't violate the idea of protecting humans if they are replaced. That's my guess anyway.
Last guess is Marks made ms in the image of his dead daughter and kindness of his dead wife. She may have been a nurse or something, thus the task to protect humanity. People talk about the sexuality in the game a lot, but Adam having no lust despite being human suggests that aspect of him is dead. Family dead can contribute to that, as well as redemption as he says.
Lastly, the archives, orcals dwelling and labs look similar. They could all have been made by marks before the wars and the cities renamed.
I'm so glad you said that about the possibility of him having a daughter that died and he made MS in her image. I was thinking that when we first see MS at the end of the game. She obviously look like a girl or young teenager and she's wearing that kinda kiddy pajama outfit. It definitely made me think Raphael Marks could have used a daughter he once had as the possibility of her visual design.
I did find it very interesting they chose not to go the romance route, though there are a few lines here and there that could suggest it (like when Adam is flustered about Eve's haircut). But by the end it was clear that whatever he felt toward Eve, it wasn't romantic. Or if there was any romantic feeling, it was irrelevant.
Raphael Mark's AI servant Raffy refers to the _Legionaires_ as the "Airborne Squad". The Legionaires are regular Andro-Eidos which were soldiers under Mother Sphere's command and which fought against Naytibas during the _Final War._
Oh so is this the solution to that? Is this referenced somewhere? Please let me know :) This has been plaguing my mind with regards to the potential continuity error. Thanks for pointing this out.
@@unlistednaytiba It's not explicitely stated in the game. I deducted this from the content of the Legionaire's memory sticks. They fought for Mother Sphere for several years. Many of them complained about having waited decades for getting rescued from a hopeless military situation by Mother Sphere, but eventually lost hope and faith in Mother Sphere when no rescue attempt was made. Some Legionaires decided to go to the Orbital Elevator to avoid getting killed by Naytibas, but were killed on the way. Several dead Legionaires described they have hid from Naytibas for years, but either got killed or ran out of energy in their body cell. Several Legionaires' memories describe that the _colony extinction_ (the dropping of the space habitation modules down to Earth by Mother Sphere) was the last straw of hope that broke.
The 7 yearly waves of Angels sent to reclaim Earth (the _EVE protocol_ ) happened after all Legionaires died and were Mother Sphere's reaction to the failure of the Legionaires.
The Legionaires being part of Airborne Squads that were sent to Earth *before* the first _Angels_ squad is the only logical link that connects these facts with what Raffy said. Remember that the Legionaires are Andro-Eidos soldiers and that the colony was populated by Andro-Eidos and all Andro-Eidos on Earth had a data link with the colony via the _Network_ until Mother Sphere destroyed all infrastructure on Earth via the colony extinction.
Spot on, all those Legionaires are older Andro-Eidos soldiers who died for Mother Sphere, or who distrusted Xion’s society and left. The memory sticks in NG+ make more sense now.
31:09 would this mean that the Naytiba would be non-hostile towards regular organic humans?
Raven should've been ideally named Lilith
yeah definitely see the Lilith parallels.
Lily is technically the litlitth
But biblical litlitth didn't listen to Adam probably didn't like him
Lily initially argues with him etc..
Then again Raven did disobey a lot
Absolutely amazing explanation of the story. Thank you for your hard work!
Incredible comment and feedback. It is much appreciated. Glad you enjoyed it and glad to have you here.
I haven't been this invested in a game in a very long time. I never played a game back to back before Stellar Blade.
Im glad i found your channel to learn that the lore is pretty extensive. I dont usually read all of the logs so thank you for putting the work in to piece the lore together
Adam stated that he's been experimenting for decades on how to fuse an ando-eidos and nativa. it could be that all this time he's still been using the facilities post final-war, and at some point mother sphere found them. Adam probably moved his experimenting base of operations to somewhere in xion after the levoire locations were compromised. Raffy could be referring to airborne squad 1, a time period before Raven.
I never thought of that, and I think you're right. That would make sense. There was initially an outbreak, and Adam somehow escaped, but then came back to use the facilities. My thought was that he is using the Nest as his new base of operations - some of the descriptions and documents in the game state that Orcal is bringing in Naytiba to the cradle, but I believe orcal is supplying Adam with Naytiba to continue experiments. Maybe he is using a combination of the nest and the facilities at Levoires - this is why he was able to place the legacy recordings at the Levoires for EVE to "find."
Love your work man!
Generously detailed.
Keep it up❤️
Your comment is really appreciated. It helps motivate for future content. Will do - have a good one.
This is great! Thank you for this video. I love the Stellar Blade lore ❤
Really appreciate your comment - hopefully we'll get some DLC to flesh out more of the story.
@@unlistednaytiba I’ve learned a lot from you about the whole story. And yes they should make a DLC about Tachy, Lily, Adam, Orcal and even Mother Sphere.. we need more background story! ❤️
I believe there was a mistake in the writing of the Stellar Blade Story that was not detected. The creation of the Angels happened after the Naytiba took over the Earth. There had to be other android units that Raffy was referring to when Mother Sphere found their location. I was questioning the contradiction as well.
Either could be a mistake or something else that was pointed out to me: Perhaps Adam continues to use the location. We know that either he or Raven goes back to plant the infinity cells for EVE to find, so Adam could still have access to the levoirs and continue to use them even after the final war is over.
Great Deep Dive. One thing You may have forgot to mention is that there maybe a possible linking to the Elite Neytiba Karakuri and Enya's history as when you listen to the recordings in the abandoned opera house in the Great Desert, it specifically mentions Karakuri as apart of a play that Enya was apart of. Might just be a name drop alluding to the Karakuri boss later on, but I like to think there maybe a connection there.
OH yea, definitely missed that. I think the rule of thumb for anything found in documents, descriptions, etc. in Stellar Blade is that it is meant to be a linking to the main story line/threads. I think that because this was Shift Up's first AAA game, they put in a lot of lore/story through this way that they otherwise would have been able to put into actual cutscenes or dialogue because they simply didn't have the experience, funds, or manpower to do so. Now that they have their first AAA game under their belt, it's going to be truly amazing to see what they do next.
Any chance you make a vid on Adams Lies similar to your MS lies video as the other side to the same coin?
Heck yea. I have a couple working on now. I do want to get into the characters and do videos on each of them. Adam would definitely be one of the first in a character series.
amazing story telling bro. keep it up.
Heck yea. Appreciate your feedback and comment. Glad you're here.
RAFFY could still mean the Airborne Squad just not the Angel Airborne Squad. It seems likely that Mother Sphere had an Airborne Squad since the Humans and Andro-Edios started fighting. Airborne Squadrons are a common part of military forces. The Angels could just be a later iteration after Mother Sphere saw the potential for an Elite Airborne Squadron.
I may have some clarity regarding RAFFY and its mention of the Airborne Squad (between 25:46 - 29:00). You would certainly never find "Angel" on a human-owned computer system--it's a moniker used by the *Andro-Eidos* throughout the game in reference to EVE, Lily, and other Airborne Squad members. However, I do not believe RAFFY's application of the term in the Log Data "Attack Detected" is a mistake.
The Journal "Kill Mother Sphere," which is also found in Abyss Levoire, states "ANDROIDS ARE RAINING DOWN ON OUR EARTH THEY KEEP COMING AND COMING AND COMING THEY ARE ANGELS OF DEATH THEY WILL KILL US ALL OUR PLAN IS THE ONLY HOPE WE MUST EVOLVE THAT IS THE ONLY ANSWER...". Conclusively written by "old" humanity, this journal describes what might have been the beginning of Mother Sphere's EVE Protocol. The Eidos 7 Memorystick "Respite of the Hopeful" complements the journal and shines light on one of the game's many dualistic motifs: "Just received the comms signal from a new unit. The EVE Protocol begins. Angels of Death will descend from the Colony. They will rid Naytibas from Earth and save us. Mother Sphere's salvation is nigh. I'm thankful I lived through this hell for decades." The Legionnaire's memory is additional evidence that EVE is not called "Angel" because she is beautiful or fell from space, but because she and her contemporaries are perceived as "Angels of Death," by both their human enemies and android allies. Whether this is coincidence or evidence of Mother Sphere's dark humor is speculation.
Regarding the timeline, the "Lost 72 Years" could be referencing the actual length of time Mother Sphere has been absent from Earth, considering "The Last Words of the Hopeless" recounts that "decades have passed since the appearance of Naytibas and the evacuation of humankind to the Colony," and "Lament of the Disappointed" states Mother Sphere left the people of Earth "for decades" (and sent shabby soldiers to boot).
Great comment - agree. One thing you comment on is Mother Sphere's dark humor. I think there's a lot more to explore here. There's a lot of "human" things she does and creates that would be great to explore further. Nice that you pointed that out.
Well, Providence scanned Eve and determined her to be naytiba before attacking. So I think she is, or at least mother sphere considers her, a naytiba still. But maybe some level above alpha and elder classification.
I don't know if Adam is conscious inside her, but I think at the very least Eve has access to his knowledge. Since she can use and control her new powers without a problem, but also when the battle ended and Lily said that a lot of things have happened, Eve says "and even more is about to happen" it gives me the impression that she knows something is up.
Definitely correct about the providence scanning EVE and sensing Naytiba that way.
That's a good way to think of it. I think Adam, not MS is truly behind everything since he created MS. SO perhaps EVE does have access to Adam's thoughts, knowledge, etc. and can see what he planned.
It wasn’t so much Providence as it was Mother Sphere observing remotely. Recall it’s Colony tech and, with the Demogorgon killed, there is no electromagnetic field blocking NETWORK traffic anymore. The exosuit accompanied Eve throughout the entire dialogue with Adam, but once she achieved apotheosis, Mother Sphere’s priorities changed. If you pause during the battle with the Airborne Squad legion, the mission name and description states “EVE Protocol - Mother Sphere views Eve as a threat.” The story ends with bittersweet contention between Eve and Mother Sphere and it’s difficult to speculate what the future holds.
Man I need a sequel NOW
haha, yep just what I was saying in your other comment :) Glad to have you here.
18:30 looks no older than in his 40s? dude looks not a day older than 30 tbh. but good video tho! earned a subscriber.
I'm basing it off of my good looks, haha. I'm in my 30's and hitting 40 soon.
This game's story is so f*cking good, its buried under shoddy english voice acting, and Dark Souls-Esque vaguery (up until the last stretch) but its f*cking golden. Even if apparently its very very similar to Nier: Automata.
Esthetically it is similar but the combat is very different, nier's combat is faster and a bit more chaotic. Its also mixed with elements of bullet hell shmups stuff like having to dodge and navigate around many waves of bullet and bullet patterns. Stellar blades combat is def more on the soulsborne end more than anything else. They're both great though
@@Christopher_Roa Even the story is considerably different when one thinks about it, but still enough similarities and homages to evoke a warm sense of familiarity. It references all kinds of classic stories, but combines them into something new and unique.
@@Taikaru Yeah i dont think its that similar to Automata. It has similarities of course but overall its pretty different. Nier is more fantastical (it has aliens for example) and is much more about the relationships, romantic and familial, between the characters. Stellar Blade focuses less on the relationships and more on the overarching narrative. Both are very philosophical though Nier is more explicit about it (it has a lot more direct dialogue rather than just text logs)
Yoko Taro is a mad genius so its tough comparing anything to Nier. In contrast, Kim Hyung-tae just seems like a normal guy :D
The game's story is only similar to Automata on superficial levels. It has much more in common with its predecessor, Nier: Replicant.
Some elements of the story are similar, but it's a different story from Nier: A altogether.
The computers are still running. If the logs go directly from the labs to Adam's ship, the airborne squad could be refering to literally Raven's group. And the computer is referring to the naytiba in the test tubes who are still alive, but still unstable.
Unless there is a definitive point where Raffy dies, it might as well still be running to the end of the game, but Adam cannot go inside the labs because they are now guarded, thus the connection between just raffy and the ship.
Tl;dr
Adam and raffy have a direct link without having to go into the labs that are now guarded, and he's keeping track of those test subjects up to gameplay. Some logs were active weeks ago.
good thought. Could you elaborate on what you meaen with your last sentence about the logs being active weeks ago? What logs are you talking about? I'm very curious to read them. Do they have a timestamp or specific details that clue you into the timeline of events? Thanks :)
Happy Kratos is a naytiba all along. 😱
Seriously, thank you for offering some sense out of the scattered lore and dialogue the game gives us. It may not be vague on the level of a Soulsborne game, but I do get confused over a few things like even Orcal's background. Looking forward to whatever DLC or sequel Shift Up comes up with.
Haha. your comment made me laugh. I appreciate you riding with me all along. Yeah I really hope Shift Up and Sony can make this into a franchise
... Altho the connotations for the genocide of the Naytiba are there. Mother Sphere tried to kill the Native Species of Earth. I wouldn't even be offended because it mirrors actual history. There will always be beings and robots that are threatened by "anything different from them." (paraphrased from Disney's Tarzan) I'm Glad the third ending not only saved but reconciled everyone except Mother Sphere.
Raphael Marks must have face palmed hella hard when he realized what she was doing :)
Great video!
Appreciate you rocking with all of these videos. Glad you are here.
Can someone answer this ? Why did adam not mutate to some kind of flood from Halo? He is like the only one that muted in a good way
. why?
In the Elder Naytiba's character information (obtained after you complete the RETURN TO COLONY ending where you fight and Kill Adam/Elder Naytiba), it states when he evolved into the Elder Naytiba he developed the ability to create life. This is something I actually missed while making this video, as I had only completed the MAKING NEW MEMORIES ending at the time.
Since he has the ability to create life, I assume this also stops his aging (that's why he still looks young 72+ years after the Final War) and would also not subcumb to an infectious like appearance like the other Naytiba do. WHY does this happen with only Adam? No one knows. But because the eolutionary capabilities of Naytiba - which path the take while evolving - depends on the environment, I am guessing that when he was evolved into Naytiba, because he was THE CREATOR, in that he created Mother Sphere, the evolutionary path that took in his body considered his past life as Raphael Marks and somehow the power to create life was a result. *This is kinda just a thought and it involves getting kinda "meta" because him as THE CREATOR does not hold any biological significance - it's only what he did in his past life with the creation of Mother Sphere. But to answer your question, again, Naytiba evolution is all random and based on what the environment the specimen/life form is in.
@@unlistednaytiba thanks for the answer. It helps me understand better.
Plants: "LOL LMAO XD."
"...and the use of polymer materials..."
AKA "GYATT"
Them polymer materials - body and outfits 🔥🔥🔥
I'm sure Sony had nothing to do with renaming the Natives.
Yeah curious to know what the official word is on this. I've now heard other suggestions that they changed it to not make the origin of Naytiba too obvious.
Fun fact I learned, Naytiba means Natives in korean. Not so subtle i guess
So eve becomes a true angel
yep pretty badass ending
12:51, nah instead of anybody being outraged about that, they were very outraged by the character model.
Honestly I think the whole reason Shift Up changed the name from NA:tives to Naytiba is because someone told them it made it way too obvious too early in the plot for English speakers that the enemies are mutated humans. And changing the name did work to obfuscate this plot point, I was on the Stellar Blade subreddit and a Korean-American player admitted even he did not realize the true significance of the Naytiba name until near the end of the game despite being a fluent Korean speaker.
@AICW Really good point. Definitely makes sense. BTW - appreciate all your comments and clarifications. Glad you are rocking with us here :)
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No need to be confused. To be airborne simply means to be deployable by aerial means, like from airplanes, helicopters, etc... Airborne squads already exist in the real world. Andro-Eidos airborne squads probably already existed in the Final War, then evolved into the form in Stellar Blade as the only insertion method from the colony to the surface would be with drop pods.
Yes this is what I thought at first... it was pointed out the data log is at a different point in time from after the Final War ends - Raphael Marks just stayed in the Levoire to continue to use it. Could be either option.
Was there any lore in the game that explains why the angels are only female? I never found anything in my first playthrough.
There is a document in the game (forget what it is exactly) that states the Angels at the embodiment of Mother Sphere. MS is quite feminine so perhaps she designs them this way.
jsut started the video. WOOOOOT lets goo!
Fosho. Trying to improve on them. This game has a lot of content revealed in al the documents, so a lot to to share in future videos. Appreciate having baby jeus rocking with the videos :)
Andro eidoes no human dna at all but looks more human then human natyba with all human dna . But strangely enough the more advanced naytibas look more like biblically accurate angels.
Yes, and your comment could continue on even more. Appreciate the comment and glad you're here.
@@unlistednaytiba lol yes I could go a little deeper .
gonna dive into it after summer games fest .
All hail Geoff
Director Kim Hyeong-tae said that he made many cuts to the story.
So, isn't the 'Airborne Squad' mentioned by Raffy a mistake by the developers?
Possibly. We just simply don't know... bummer. I too heard there was some content cut. Hopefully Sony continues their BTS series on Shift Up. It's a shame they only put out two of them so far on the Sony YT channel.
This games story gets a lot of shit but it’s actually really good, and I need more of it.
Agree. Really hoping we can get more in a potential sequel or DLC.
I would assume Alpha Na:Tiva possess a limited degree of control over their mutations/evolutions
Difficult to say but definitely a possibility. I interpret the Tachy boss fight as her resisting. If you notice she takes a really long time to attack EVE if you just stand there. So it is possible Alphas have some control over their mutations.
At the end of new game plus hard mode and the game gets so good when you learn the combat and start throwing out purposeful chained combos. I’m smoking everything worse than normal mode😅 I’m worried about Raven though. She’s coming up and was really the only boss in the whole game that gave me trouble.
I agree. Doing the counter +2 extra hit combo (forgot what it was called) feels extremely satisfying. Only Raven gave you a hard time? For me it was Raven and Providence Mech Suit back to back that gave me a hard time.
@@unlistednaytiba yea Raven second faze gets me. Especially on hard mode u die in like 2 sword swings. The last boss where Adam turns into the alpha is honestly the hardest. I can’t imagine beating him on hard it would be crazy. Gorgeous fight though.
@@unlistednaytiba yea my set up on new game plus was a bunch of crit rate and crit damage enhancements and the combo chain exospine. Holding the last button press on a combo to enhance it with that beta energy does insane damage. I would use the burst skill that makes you attack faster in conjunction, it was pretty brutal most the game until the last two bosses.
Do you even compare Korean English pronunciation and American English pronunciation? It's amazing.
Appreciate your comment. Glad you're here.
@@unlistednaytiba Actually, I keep your videos. I want to watch your video slowly and in detail. I can invest my time, but I don't want to just skim through it.
I saw this video too late. I know they was posted on UA-cam. I know A Raven video was also posted. Good job.
Maybe the first airborne squad was made to find and finish off the last remaining humans, but then naytibas came before that could happen, airborne squad members have always been made to combat "evolved" humans afterall
There is a possibility to that. Perhaps MS had this idea cooking on the back burners because she is always thinking of upgrading her humans.
26:17 Me even more confused why you are super confused
haha, yea that needs to be the new Stellar Blade confused face meme :)
The story and lore of Stellar Blade is pretty fuckin good just sucks the way the went of delivery the story turned people off and made it seem like it was bad
What about the delivery was bad, do you think ?
@@malcolmsaintprobably because in order to understand the plot You need to read tons of in Game documents, most people don't even bother SO they miss a lot of vital information then they reach to the conclusion that the story is bad, when in reality it's a very cool plot, you just have to piece together the info
@@禁じられた2人souls games do it too but I understand your point I wasn’t really getting the docs to read till later
@@禁じられた2人 It's kinda similar to Metroid Prime where understanding the plot requires reading pages and pages of documents, but that game conditions players to the expectation they must find and read all the logbook entries because there are no characters to interact with and zero voice acting from Samus.
@@AICW yeah that's good example, i love Metroid prime and yes not only you have to read the logs but you Also have to find them all and some of them are quite tricky to find
ohhh, you changed your channel name
Yep, I was ending up making Stellar Blade content anyway... I would love to make God of War content one day as that's a big game series for me.. maybe one day could make both :)
Fun fact: American natives used to kill each other. It wasnt all kumbaya. Also there was colonized countries all over the world. Not just the American colonist
For sure. The Apache were especially deadly.
So Humans create AI, AI shows the middle finger to humans and create android, then AI shows middle finger to android. Moral of the story Don't create AI
Yeah. Best ending ends in essentially an Android civil war, except the leader of the rebels is an android-human hybrid.
Yeah, also loving your S avatar
Kratos I figured you weren't my daddy
You're a naytiba.
Grabs eves blade!
Heck yea. Maybe one day I could do God of War videos - could be a "God of Naytiba"
... um maybe not. that's a horrible name. gotta workshop that a little bit. haha. Your comment brought a smile to my face.
Organic human beans😊
I thought it would ruin the plot twist to call them natives, which would give away the fact that they are native to earth. Calling them natives but then saying they came from space would be nonsense. So calling them a nonsense word that hints at their origin works better.
Yes this was pointed out a couple times to me as well. I see how this would spoil the ending.
This lore still have one huge hole. How humanity can possibly lost war to androids? Many people are afraid of AI but it have one fatal weakness, and that is electronics vulnerability on EMP. Humanity right now have enought of nuclear wepons to cover entire earth by electromagnetic radiation created by a nuclear explosions. With means secanario of another Fallout is far more propability than lore of Stellar Blade.
In some of the exospine descriptions, Eidos intentionally left tons of backdoors in almost all their products and bribed governments not to close them. This would have left so many world militaries easily accessible to Mother Sphere's control when she started her war.
@@AICW No single country in world have connected nuclear arsenal to global network. And no single will do it because of obvious reason.
as @AICW mentioned, I think Raphael Marks / Eidos did create with the intention of being able to maintain "control" through the backdoors, however it's difficult to know at what point did Raphael Marks/real organic human beings have control and at what point did that control turn over to Mother Sphere because the narrative implies at a point, they were both in control of Eidos until MS started to create AI on her own. I think because she was an ASI, she simply grew at an astonishing and uncontrollable rate until she was able to quickly take over - she supported the Androids so this is why they quickly "won".
❤️🥸👍🔥Thanks for your efforts
I appreciate your comment. This was by far the most ambitious video I've made, so your recognition is felt and keeps me motivated for more.