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Thank you for the video....... I've been buying motorcraft parts of my 6 liter powerstroke online......... I thought the new packaging looked weird..........I lucked out those were the style packages I was getting but then again a good point like you said it might be old stock that people getting rid of I'm going to start looking closely now thank you
The real problem with counterfeit items on Amazon is if a seller uses Amazon FBA they can ship in hundreds of counterfeit parts Amazon will add them to inventory in the warehouse and ship it as Amazon itself or any other FBA seller
With Chinese knockoffs so common now, it's hard to know who will have real parts. I just ordered Motorcraft plugs from RockAuto figuring at least they are the actual seller (vs Amazon) and they have a bigger investment in their reputation. Thanks for posting this info. At least we have a shot at figuring out if something is fake. Update 7/16/2023 FWIW, the Motorcraft plugs from Rock Auto were genuine. I really appreciate your instruction on how to recognize fakes.
My dad used to say "you get what you pay for". I'm a pilot, and there is an issue with counterfeit aircraft parts as well. The difference is, when your airplane engine quits, you can't just roll onto the shoulder and call a tow truck. This is becoming a serious issue. Thank you!
You know it’s funny that you mentioned that …..because just last night I was reviewing that accident with the Bonanza in Pembroke Pines Florida. Clearly that guy failed to push the nose over for best glide speed. If he had done so, he probably could’ve landed that aircraft and he and his friend and that child in the SUV would all be alive today. Dan Gryder makes a big point about this on his UA-cam channel, and every pilot needs to be aware of how counterintuitive it is to push the nose down when your engine quits….but it’s something you have to do if you want to survive and not get into a stall spin at low altitude.
If OEM parts from the dealer weren't outrageously marked up, people wouldn't shop around and get scammed too. Just like a new truck, markups are insane sometimes.
some not OEM parts are much better. for example, mevotech hard terrain ball joints have a grease port, much better quality, instead of motorcraft with same price
Many of the more common, oem maintenance items are nearly the same price and in some cases cheaper than aftermarket. I see it every week when I order fleet parts. Always calling for 3 prices before submitting orders. Dealer, oreilly, and advance auto. Ford usually wins.
@@perjian1697 maybe for Ford. Not for Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. My neighbor works for a Chevy dealer locally and there are some parts that are well over 100% markup for no damn reason other than because they can.
Sooo, are you justifying basically standing up for the pirates that are out there trying to sell you and everyone else fake parts?🙄 Quality costs money. Its a fact. Fake pirated sales effect economics. Your post doesnt mention that…🤔
Saved this video so I can pull it up whenever I look at Ford Motorcraft parts to buy so I can examine them carefully before any installation. This industry already thinks women are clueless about fixing our vehicles but thanks to UA-camrs like you we can fix our own vehicle.
Funny you say that. My sisters ac wasn't working. She took it to a shop and they said it would cost $1,000 to fix the ac. No mention of exactly what was the problem. So I thought that was kind of weird they didn't itemized the problem. So I used a can of freo and used the gage that came with it. Followed the directions and fixed her ac for $50. A little common sense and gut feeling save my sister $950. Unbelievable these mechanics are not all honest.
I just released a video on this same problem for Toyota/Lexus/Honda counterfeit parts. This a HUGE issue, they are ripping us off everywhere. Great video as always!
The best mechanic love his video. I can say the same thing about Ford Brakes Pads & Shoes over the shit AutoZone & Pep Boys & others. My Original Ford Escape Brakes I changed the front at 75,000 miles Still had 35 % left . Put AutoZone lifetime on they lasted about 8 thousand I threw them in the trash. Purchased Ford's they have over 35 thousand miles on them they got at least 80 % left that's the difference. I learned my lesson.
Excellent video. So many people repairing their own vehicles are the least able to afford damage caused by fake part failures. There’s also the issue of making a valid repair with a bad part and then continuing to chase the problem.
My Mustang is put away for winter; but I think I’ll be popping the hood this weekend to check all of the coils that I replaced last year and wondered why it felt down on power. The clues like the paint stripe are key! Thank you so much for sharing this.
I priced a Timken hub and bearing assembly on Rock Auto at $86.79. I checked the same part number on Amazon at $47.90. Knowing that Rock Auto is very competitive on prices, I believed the part on Amazon to be counterfeit. I visited Timken's website and they discuss countetfeit Timken parts. I paid more and bought the assemblies on Rock Auto.
Shipped from and sold from amazon the parts are authentic and sometimes half the price of everyone else. I have never recieved a counterfeit buying this way, and saved thousands.
@@TonicofSonic Go make some price comparisons of auto parts between Amazon and Rock Auto and see who wins the price war. Amazon will not undersell Rock Auto by 50 percent on identical products. Guaranteed.
The age old adage of “if it seems too good to be true, it usually is” definitely applies here. The price is typically the first dead giveaway. Don’t be cheap!
I ran into this exact issue with Spark Plugs last year. I bought them on Amazon from FixaPart. I left a lengthy review with pictures comparing the 515's I pulled out, the 546's I bought from Amazon and the 546's I bought from the local AutoZone. There was a huge difference. I had a nasty misfire after installing the counterfeit's. I removed them and returned them. No questions asked.
@@wildestcowboy2668they do but sometimes you can’t find certain parts so you don’t have a choice but to go to AutoZone. I have an old Lincoln car that’s over 20 years old. Certain parts are discontinued by ford so I have to get them at AutoZone or oreillys
David Dale well the fact is that the genuine parts are made in China . So if you end up with a Chinese knockoff you may quite possibly be getting the same part . Idk it’s the world we live in .
David Dale it’s like buying a motorcraft filter thinking your getting a real ford filter . But it’s not because purolator makes all of ford’s filters so why not just buy a purolator .
@@cabinbills6743 the standard Purolator filters don't have the silicone drain back valves like the Motorcraft. Last I checked the premium Purolators that do have them are more expensive than the Motorcraft.
I killed a coil on my 08 Focus and went shopping for a replacement to find them to be fairly expensive. I decided to take a chance and buy a four pack of obvious fakes for $27 figuring if I even get 3 months out of one of the fakes I would still be ahead. Well, 107K later and they are still flawless. It's a cheap daily beater, would I do this on a performance or towing application, hell no. Thanks for this video though, I've never trusted Ebay parts and just got a fuel filter kit for my 19` 6.7 PSD and I'm happy to report that it came from Auto Parts Wholesale (what a great price too!)
I had to do coils on my V10 Ford when I first bought it. I went with the cheapo 10 pack on Amazon (not knock offs, just off brand). It's been 2+ years and about 20k miles. I did have one coil fail recently after a cross country trip through 100+ heat while towing maxed out. All that heat puts a lot of strain on electronics. The rest work fine though. I figure that's about par for coils in my experience. I remember back in the late '90s when the COP's first came out they were a maintenance item that would need replacing pretty often, and with 10 the chances of failure are higher. Proof positive of that is that there was a mishmash of different brand coils on the truck when I bought it, so I know the premium and OEM ones don't last forever either. Plugs are a different story. I find wild variability in performance from one plug brand to the next. I like to use the OEM Motorcraft plugs on any of the later model Fords. By later model I mean anything since they went to the modular engines in the pickups. The old pushrod engines didn't seem to be quite as fussy.
Not all cars will operate and pass emissions with cheap coils. I wasted $125 on a set. Ended up getting 2 originals for $20 from a pick-n-pull . No check engine light passed emissions.
Another good video. As a tech myself you always keep the old part and compare the new one to the old one. I have seen the new part have updated design. However, keep and compare the two for mounting bolts and other issues. Another problem is the factory don't use grease when installing coil on plug boots. When you remove it for plug replacement the boot will tear causing misfire. Use spray lubricant and wait a while before removing coil on plug.
Extremely helpful and informative as always. Sometimes I rewatch your other videos as a nice refresher because of how well you articulate certain issues, repairs, and even little side notes from your experience, that have helped me more times than I can count with both my 2nd Gen 5.0 Explorer and especially my 05 5.4 3v Expedition. Thank you for taking the time to teach all of us, and have a blessed day. 👍
The silver pen mark is know as "touch for quality" it's another confirmation that the operator has tested part (or a bolt has been torqued ) , its standard in most US assembly .
I’ve gotten burned by buying aftermarket parts, it’s much easier to just get them from the dealer. We had a GM dealer in Houston who was the largest counterfeiter of GM parts.
Bought my plugs at Advanced Auto Parts. They were less than the amazon ones by $2 each , dealer $5 each less; and much less likely to be fakes. Keep up the great videos.
I think Advance Auto Parts have doing a good job lately. Been burned by AutoZone too many times. O'REILLY is ok, a little high unless you beat them down.
Went to Arizona Automotive Institute in 1976/1977 then worked as a mechanic at a Ford Dealership from 1978 to about 1985. Was there during the start of electronic ignition and electronic fuel injection. Then for some reason I went to college. Really glad I stumbled onto your channel. Things have come a long way. Thanks got the great content.
Great video! Although, I must say, I work at a parts store and we have plenty of old-label Motorcraft parts. Personally I'm super obsessive about selling the old-box stuff first and/or stocking it so people that aren't paying attention grab the oldest stock, but most of my coworkers don't care and for some less common parts the warehouse even still sends parts with the previous packaging design.
Good video. I was a victim to NGK counterfeit spark plugs a couple years ago. They're everywhere, beware. I only buy important stuff from a reputable vendor now.
Right On, Great Video, I have purchased aftermarket parts from Napa per customer request in the Elgin line that are clearly branded MotorCraft, and always thought it strange. Some work, most do not. Especially the blower motor resistors. Never Work.
I bought an "AC Delco" water pump off Amazon a few years ago. Installed it and forgot about it. A couple years late the pump went out to my surprise. I ended up checking the cast part number on it and found out it was actually an Eastern Industries (Indian company) pump re-packaged as AC Delco. I got counterfeited. What really pissed me off is when I posted the review with photos as proof on Amazon, Amazon deleted it...
Bought some Bosch brand spark plugs for my Mercedes at $12 a piece from the auto parts store I use to work at. They had to request them from a "sister" store and 6 of the plugs had been used as someone re-glued the box. The lengths people will go to to scam amazes me.
I had this happen also. First, they sold me the wrong part and upon returning them they recognized the mistake and brought me the correct plugs that were reboxed used ones. The boxes were covered in grease and I open one to compare to a plug out of the scion iq. I hate that store not because of the parts quality but because they hire idiots
I worked at a parts store some 15yrs ago and sold somebody a caliper, I opened the box to show him the part and much to our surprise, there was a brick inside. Some slacker counterman did NOT check the box when a previous customer returned it.
Your wife is right. The reason OEM parts are so expensive is because they go through 4 or five levels of markup before you buy them. Every damned thing is made in China today. A few years ago I bought an Olympus E3 camera, I was shocked when I saw "Made In China" on it. Not a cheap camera.
Brian, I also noticed the radius on the bottom of the ground strap on the spark plugs is different. The OEM plug has a radius and the fake is much flatter. I'm guessing the OEM radius design is to give a little longer life by providing more equidistant spark paths along the radius as the ground strap gets arc gouged to death. On the coils I noticed the plastic parting lines are different. Also, the ejector pins in the plastic molds are also in different locations.
Yeah, the OEM had a chamfered end of the tube and the counterfeit was ground flat and sharp. You don't want sharp hard edges in the combustion chamber or you will have a hot spot and pre-ignition engine knocking. Be careful SVT folks with superchargers and 900HP+ dyno pulls. Maybe that is why your engines fail?
Amazon and eBay owe it to their customers to have a task force that removes sellers of fakes too! Really wish you went into some discussion about that mercon lv case you show in the beginning. Need to know what to look for on faked fluids as well!
Yeah but the customer has to use their head as well. I just bought some fake NGK spark plugs from ebay but watched a real vs fake video prior to installation. I should've known that 4 spark plugs that normally go for $10-$12 a piece should of never been for sale at $15 for a 4 pack. These companies all have legitimate stores on Amazon and Ebay but the temptation to get the best deal is sometimes too strong.
@@donniev8181 sure but if Amazon and eBay told their sellers if they get caught selling fakes they’re going to be removed as a seller and made some effort there would be less of that temptation. Or at least require them to state “not authentic” but Amazon and eBay only care about 1 thing and that’s items being sold so they get a cut. Amazon is nothing like it used to be when it comes to their customer service and guarantees. I think they’re almost happy to join in on the rip offs versus customer satisfaction.
@@donniev8181 it’s a big issue with fake oil/fuel filters especially 6.0 powerstroke. It’s like $75 for the two fuel filters and $30 for the oil filter. It’s hard to tell them apart online because the prices will be good, but comparable. I’ve bought fake filters that had a perfect box and design but experience told me that the materials were slightly off. I installed them anyway because I’d already pulled the old ones and figured they’d work until new ones came. It threw a code and went into limp mode like 80 miles later. The 6.0 is super picky about what filters it uses.
Excellent, this video is a prototypical example of why I am subscribed and find value in pretty much everything posted on this channel about my car. I probably do not even remember to hit the "👍" button enough -- will try to more often. Five stars!
Dude, Thank you so much for sharing this video and informing us; The PCM in my truck recently went out cause of the Fake Ignition Coils, Bummer, Getting it Fixed. Thank you
All I Know is when I put those Fake Ignition Coils on, my truck completely shut down; So I put the original Motorcraft coils back on, my truck started running again; Was it the Fake Coils? I don’t Know, all I know is what I told you.
Thanks, I didn't know about this. A few months back a customer brought me his truck for a tune up and had bought the parts online. I thought the coils looked cheap, specifically the shiny plastic stood out to me, but they were in Ford bags so I figured I was judging them wrong or that Ford had changed to the cheaper plastic.
Yep! I went to a Ford dealership to be sure I got the real thing....$488 for the 8 plugs and coil packs. Wow! Wish I had never seen the Amazon fakes....can’t sleep at night thinking about the difference in price! LOL! Thanks for your expertise and advice!
Can you do a video on F150 2008 5.4L EFI V8. Horrible screeching noise when attempting but won't start. Starts after trying 3-4 times. Thank you. I love watching your videos.
The SP 526 plugs on Ebay (now $81.81) look OEM to me. You can tell when you zoom in how rough the threads are compared to smooth threads of the fakes! Also, the printing on the plug looks OEM (faded).
As an old retired mechanic let me say we saw counterfeit tune up parts in the early 1970's. I walk into my local ford dealership for my parts needs to ensure service life. Stay safe all......
Thanks for the heads up. Tasca Ford on Ebay is very reputable to buy from. I do, however, have a great Ford dealer that gives me excellent prices, that I deal with on a regular basis. Coil packs? I really prefer MSD blaster coil packs which give me over 350k miles on my 5.4 without any problems. But all in all, genuine Ford Motorcraft is the way to go.
I had several Ford Trucks in a fleet that had counterfeit plugs in them. We had all kinds of misfires and running issues. We changed them out to OEM and have had no more problems. Great Video.
Problem is at least 40 years old, not just Ford. Guy rolls up to a store, says "I bought a bankruptcy sale, I can sell you this stuff cheap" and some shops are dumb enough to do it. Oil filters, inkjet cartridges, cell phone batteries, lots of things.
It just amazes me that you don't have more subscribers than you do. You know Ford vehicles better than most Ford employees. I wish you were closer, because you would be my go to mechanic. Thanks for all the informative videos. Please keep it up.
Brian, a quick update: I checked the Motorcraft DG508 Ignition Coil suppliers you recommended and one of them has a clear counterfeit posted on Amazon. The bad supplier is Auto Parts Wholesale. One customer checked his part with Motorcraft and they told him the part he bought is counterfeit, and it was from APW. Just FYI brother. Keep up the terrific videos! They really help me with the restoration of a 2000 Ford Expedition 5.4L Eddie Bauer 4WD.
Really where? I saw a few on there complaining they were fake from amazon and other sellers with pictures and they were obviously OEM so not sure how credible the reports are until I have pictures.
@@FordTechMakuloco Yeah, you really hit on a tough issue for any consumer. I bought what I think is an OEM part based on your video, but the spring isn't protruding from the sleeve. The old part is definitely OEM and the spring doesn't protrude on that one either. My new part has the white mark on the electrical cap, but its not level, more of an upward angled swipe. I'm trying to find the bag it came in to check for the holes. Otherwise, checking everything you said, it seems legit. I had no idea of the problem until I watched your video. Unbelievable.....I hear you about pictures. Maybe I should buy one and take photos to confirm.
@@FordTechMakuloco I uploaded photos to your Instagram account. The coil photos might be a "deep fake" as you call it because the spring doesn't extend beyond the sleeve, no printing on the mounting bezel. But everything else in those photos, as you'll see, fit the OEM criteria you mentioned. What do you think?
I wish I could attach a picture. Im in the middle of doing the timing on my 2014 3.5 and am using all Ford parts. When I received the rtv (ta-357 i believe) there was literally a sticker over top of a tube of loctite. The loctite sells for something like $8 and I paid almost $50 for the Ford brand. Unbelievable. Keep up the great videos.
When I buy genuine Ford 'orange' coolant at my Ford Dealer, I make sure to buy GENUINE FORD WATER (orange) also from my Friendly Local Ford Dealer. Don't want to VOID the warranty!
Thanks for the informative video. I finished installing an ATK reman long block in my 97 ford this past fall. I had read other articles about fakes. All the plastic bags for the DG508s I got had the relief holes, so I think I got genuine DG508. The ones I took out of the old engine were all over the place with regards to markings. None had a paint mark across connector. They were all done by Ford dealer except 2 replacements that had been made later. 4 had a white epoxy fill with printed Motorcraft label also with numbers covering half of fill. Boot had Ford oval raised logo molded in on 2 of those. The other 4 were similar to 511 you showed in your video except 2 had the part number not engineering number. So who knows what they were. Can't complain about original engine though. 1 complete coil / plug replacement at 100k by dealer, subsequently 300k on all but 2 of those coils. And I think they all still function, but wasn't going to put them back in a new engine.
Of course counterfeiters know the differences. They study the Ford parts and copy what they can while keeping manufacturing cost low. In reality, they can watch this video and giggle at all the differences he failed to point out or missed.
It would cost the counterfeit manufacturers shit tons of money to adjust for everything they screwed up. Right now they're at a "close enough" point and won't bother to adjust their process.
I just bought what was supposed to be the oil filter FL2051S for 6.7 Diesel, which is being replaced by FL2124, which would explain why nobody had 2051S in stock anywhere recently. So I ordered from Amazon, and the filter came in a used box, all tattered, and had the 2124 filter in the 2051S box. Def not going to use it, no telling what's damaged inside the filter since it was just haphazardly thrown into this old box. Glad you posted trusted retailers.
@@TheOzthewiz all factory coils failed, one by one, after putting in the E3 (edit: E3 spark plugs). New OEM coils then started to fail after replacing failed ones. Replaced E3 spark plugs with Champion and replaced last failed OEM coil, no problems since for years.
@@JasonW. I've always hated E3 POS plugs ever since I tried it on a Flathead Briggs. Ran like shit with one of those and lugged in some thicker grass than normal. I now just use NGK in everything.
Ford does this too though. Rebranding at least. Just purchased rtv ta-357 online, underneath the motorcraft label was Loctite 5900. Thought that was an issue until i went to the ford dealership and had the exact same label issue covering a loctite brand rtv. BUYING loctite 5900 rtv under that name is much cheaper as well.
ANYTHING where chinese write English or another language is A MESS because they are too tight to use a genuine native speaker, just some local hack who was asleep thru half the English class. Instead you get misspelt words and they screw up using capitals in the wrong place or none at all. I saw guys who copied famous paintings for a living. When they finally decided to paint something THEMSELVES, they couldn't even get the sizes right for things further in the background. Things further away were the same size as close up and although they had been "painting" for 15 years, they had no clue how to do ANYTHING except copy.
How about those companies whose products are being attacked with fakes start selling through specified outlets instead of anyone who has a business licence? It's their own damn fault. Anyone who is set on genuine parts will go to the people who carry them and pay the price. Buying pistons from Alli Bubba online is just retarded.
I'm in the process of installing the OEM brake controller in my F150. I mistakenly bought a counterfeit one off Ebay. Didnt realize it until i watched Smackey's Garage video where he disassembles an OEM and two fake ones. Several people have had the fake controllers melt or catch fire. Thankfully I was able to return the fake and bought a genuine one from an online Ford dealer. Be careful with what you buy folks!
I am mexican and l do not speak english very well but l understant all that you explaint in your tutorials that you publish l love watching your vídeos and practiced them with may cars l have many thankes for sharing your experience
I work in a aftermarket parts store ( won’t say what chain, probably all the same.) Pulled boxes of Motorcraft plugs off the shelf. Half looked real and half looked counterfeit right out of the warehouse. Go figure, never know what you are buying. Buyer beware.
Brian, it's your attention to detail that helps us viewers. The un-initiated would do well to pay attention. Installing sub-par quality always comes back to bite us in the you-know-what! Thx.
I called Denso and they told me if you want to be 100% ONLY buy from Toyota/Lexus, Advance and Autozone. They are the only authorized retailers. For Ford parts I look for a brick and mortar dealer selling on ebay.
@@alb12345672 steven hi I use rock auto all the time for motorcraft parts and i just looked at the spark plug box and it looks just like the fake box brian showed in the video
I bought HID replacement lights and plugs for a Toyota on Amazon. It took me 3 tries with Amazon to get the bulbs to be legit. The plugs were right the first time. I like saving money but I find it hard to trust Amazon and the BS they sell. I just stopped doing business with them. I now just buy at Walmart or Jet. So far all the parts I have purchased and other items have been fully legit. I will pass on all Amazon purchases. Good video. Now the cheaters and fakes know what they need to do to improve their counterfeit efforts haha. Love the channel. Keep up the good work.
Great video. Good job pointing out potential differences between fakes and genuine OEM's. Deep fakes: $ OEM: $$ Now we wonder why OEM tend to be more expensive than others. I'll stick with OEM as much as I can.
Robert Keefer that's the problem we think we're buying OEM and it's not. Who hasn't had a busy day doing something and realize oh I've got to order that part jump online order it don't give it much thought and it comes in and you think everything is good and do we really know what's what
I watched diesel tech Ron video on filters. I ordered a fuel ,air and oil filter set OEM. Then I ordered the $25 set knock off. When you put them side by side you can tell the difference in the height. I tried to install the bottom fuel filter and the cap would not seat. Had I just ordered the knock off, I would have had to put the dirty one back in. There is a difference folks.
Thanks; Just checked my spare coil for authenticity. The perforated bag, the coil and silver paint mark check out. Was bought at Advance Auto parts. I also have some old coils that were pulled from 2001 Expy 4.6L and they have a green sticker with OEM PN and engineering number. Also brass inserts for the mounting bolt. I think these are perhaps early versions.
It's really irks me that I have to spend so much time finding a non-counterfeit auto part and then playing investigator to make sure it isn't a fake. The NGK coils I just bought are Made in China. WTF? Watch the video of the guy who bought a "genuine" Honda transmission filter (looks like a metal canister type fuel filter) and he could see right through the end fittings. He cut it open and it was empty. No filter media. Where is our federal Consumer Products Division? Go after these businesses selling knockoffs!
Brian, I recently purchased some "motorcraft injectors" for a 6.0 powerstroke. No core charge on eBay. The no core charge was a red flag to me but I went on with it. The injectors were marked "reman" on the injector body and from research that seemed accurate for a Ford reman. However these markings were not immediately followed by a serial number. The injectors carry a 2 yr warranty. After I installation I had a cylinder 6 contribution code and tons of white smoke. No bubbles in the secondary fuel filter when cranking with the remote wire so I knew they sealed correctly as I was very thorough while installing. The seller followed up by sending a replacement but I know OEM motorcraft injectors rarely fail. I was wondering if you have encountered fake motorcraft 6.0 injectors. Thanks! I appreciate all your videos.
@@SkylineFTW97 It is often cheaper to buy on RA as well. I like to price compare between the two and have found Rock Auto to actually be cheaper than Amazon on pretty much everything. Amazon's prices have been going up over the years to help pay for the "free" Prime shipping that comes with your paid membership and it's almost always easier to buy from Rock Auto and pay a few bucks for shipping that's maybe 1-2 days slower. And Rock Auto is more honest about their aftermarket parts--if it's OEM then it's OEM, if it isn't then it's clearly indicated. I got a serpentine belt for my F-250 shipped to my door for around $11, even if the sucker only lasts 20k miles before wearing out I don't mind it! I think the OEM belt was in the $30 range and I'd be a little over $40 after shipping.
@@406Steven Exactly. I try to spring a bit more for quality parts whenever possible, but if you have a beater, it doesn't really matter. But for my daily, my new (to me) 2013 Honda Accord, I'd rather pay the $200 for a decent set of NGK ignition coils than deal with cheap, defective parts.
Amazon and Ebay have a good return policy. I bought and installed, one cheap, counterfeit, ignition coil and it's still good after 30,000 miles. Performance has been good too.
The specifics that you point out for fake coils can (mostly) be easily and quickly copied by the counterfeiters: a metallic Sharpie line, holes punched in the bags, etc. Those can be too easily remedied to look just like the OEM coils. What really caught my eye (especially on the poorer-quality fake) were the MOLD LINES, especially on the rubber boots. These are high-voltage devices and precautions are taken in manufacture to negate the flow of that electricity via the insulating rubber (or silicone) boot, and a common failure of high-voltage insulators are via cracks, and mold lines (in the rubber boot, in this instance). If I opened a new coil from the packaging and saw obvious mold lines running longitudinally on the insulating boot (from one end to the other end), I would promptly take it back to the counter and ask for a real OEM coil and not a fake. The mold lines are especially grievous on the poor fake! The OEM also has some longitudinal mold lines on the boot, but they are not as pronounced, and also not appear to run the entire length of it; there is a section, a band that goes all the way around, that appears to be perfectly smooth, no mold lines. This would make a good barrier to the flow of high-voltage current, but the fake boots, with obvious mold lines running all the way from one end of the boot to the other end, are the giveaway to me. One of the ways they can make the fakes so cheaply is to cut corners in the manufacturing process, and quality manufacturing usually leaves no mold lines, or very fine and clean mold lines.
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Thank you for the video....... I've been buying motorcraft parts of my 6 liter powerstroke online......... I thought the new packaging looked weird..........I lucked out those were the style packages I was getting but then again a good point like you said it might be old stock that people getting rid of I'm going to start looking closely now thank you
There is an amazon seller named MOTORCRAFT do you think they are ok?
The real problem with counterfeit items on Amazon is if a seller uses Amazon FBA they can ship in hundreds of counterfeit parts Amazon will add them to inventory in the warehouse and ship it as Amazon itself or any other FBA seller
Can you check out Pensacola Fuel Injection Inc, specifically their early 04 F250 6.0 injector wire harness? Please!
Thanks for sharing👍
With Chinese knockoffs so common now, it's hard to know who will have real parts. I just ordered Motorcraft plugs from RockAuto figuring at least they are the actual seller (vs Amazon) and they have a bigger investment in their reputation. Thanks for posting this info. At least we have a shot at figuring out if something is fake.
Update 7/16/2023
FWIW, the Motorcraft plugs from Rock Auto were genuine. I really appreciate your instruction on how to recognize fakes.
My dad used to say "you get what you pay for". I'm a pilot, and there is an issue with counterfeit aircraft parts as well. The difference is, when your airplane engine quits, you can't just roll onto the shoulder and call a tow truck. This is becoming a serious issue. Thank you!
Going to be worse now that sleepy Joe Biden is fixing everything......
You know it’s funny that you mentioned that …..because just last night I was reviewing that accident with the Bonanza in Pembroke Pines Florida. Clearly that guy failed to push the nose over for best glide speed. If he had done so, he probably could’ve landed that aircraft and he and his friend and that child in the SUV would all be alive today. Dan Gryder makes a big point about this on his UA-cam channel, and every pilot needs to be aware of how counterintuitive it is to push the nose down when your engine quits….but it’s something you have to do if you want to survive and not get into a stall spin at low altitude.
I can't imagine pulling back at slow speed. It was drilled into me, when slow flying you always pitch for airspeed, throttle for altitude.
just figured that out been a problem for 50 years
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If OEM parts from the dealer weren't outrageously marked up, people wouldn't shop around and get scammed too. Just like a new truck, markups are insane sometimes.
some not OEM parts are much better. for example, mevotech hard terrain ball joints have a grease port, much better quality, instead of motorcraft with same price
Many of the more common, oem maintenance items are nearly the same price and in some cases cheaper than aftermarket. I see it every week when I order fleet parts. Always calling for 3 prices before submitting orders. Dealer, oreilly, and advance auto. Ford usually wins.
@@perjian1697 maybe for Ford. Not for Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc. My neighbor works for a Chevy dealer locally and there are some parts that are well over 100% markup for no damn reason other than because they can.
Many good dealership parts desks will discount the OEM price if you ask them to meet you halfway to the online discount price.
Sooo, are you justifying basically standing up for the pirates that are out there trying to sell you and everyone else fake parts?🙄
Quality costs money. Its a fact. Fake pirated sales effect economics. Your post doesnt mention that…🤔
Saved this video so I can pull it up whenever I look at Ford Motorcraft parts to buy so I can examine them carefully before any installation. This industry already thinks women are clueless about fixing our vehicles but thanks to UA-camrs like you we can fix our own vehicle.
You go girl, and you can always call Dr you tube to save the day!
@@wildestcowboy2668 😊
Funny you say that. My sisters ac wasn't working. She took it to a shop and they said it would cost $1,000 to fix the ac. No mention of exactly what was the problem. So I thought that was kind of weird they didn't itemized the problem. So I used a can of freo and used the gage that came with it. Followed the directions and fixed her ac for $50. A little common sense and gut feeling save my sister $950. Unbelievable these mechanics are not all honest.
@@jacobhillanbrand7988 So true.
I just released a video on this same problem for Toyota/Lexus/Honda counterfeit parts. This a HUGE issue, they are ripping us off everywhere. Great video as always!
Where can we find your video on Toyo/Lex/ Honda?
Brian is the Guru of All Ford Engines. FordTechMakuloco is the Obi-Wan Kenobi of Ford Techs... "May the Ford Be With You!"
The best mechanic love his video.
I can say the same thing about Ford Brakes Pads & Shoes over the shit AutoZone & Pep Boys & others.
My Original Ford Escape Brakes
I changed the front at 75,000 miles
Still had 35 % left . Put AutoZone lifetime on they lasted about 8 thousand I threw them in the trash.
Purchased Ford's they have over 35 thousand miles on them they got at least 80 % left that's the difference.
I learned my lesson.
Great video!! Unfortunately, I will not remember what to look for in about 30 minutes from now.
True I am trying to get some ignition coil for my 2007 too. That's why I am here I am living in Naples Florida, one costs $80 .
LOL
Take a pic with your phone
Put the crack pipe down
Thats why u just save the video. Then u can always go back and watch.
Excellent video. So many people repairing their own vehicles are the least able to afford damage caused by fake part failures. There’s also the issue of making a valid repair with a bad part and then continuing to chase the problem.
My Mustang is put away for winter; but I think I’ll be popping the hood this weekend to check all of the coils that I replaced last year and wondered why it felt down on power. The clues like the paint stripe are key! Thank you so much for sharing this.
I priced a Timken hub and bearing assembly on Rock Auto at $86.79. I checked the same part number on Amazon at $47.90. Knowing that Rock Auto is very competitive on prices, I believed the part on Amazon to be counterfeit.
I visited Timken's website and they discuss countetfeit Timken parts. I paid more and bought the assemblies on Rock Auto.
Shipped from and sold from amazon the parts are authentic and sometimes half the price of everyone else.
I have never recieved a counterfeit buying this way, and saved thousands.
@@TonicofSonic Go make some price comparisons of auto parts between Amazon and Rock Auto and see who wins the price war. Amazon will not undersell Rock Auto by 50 percent on identical products. Guaranteed.
The age old adage of “if it seems too good to be true, it usually is” definitely applies here. The price is typically the first dead giveaway. Don’t be cheap!
That's true for current production. If you're working on something old, it's not uncommon to find very good deals on genuine NOS parts.
As someone who has complete faith In oem parts this makes me sick.
as a graphic artist this makes me sick
China sucks. They are 99% of the problem for deep fake products.
@@pbaker7160 like fake news ruining our country
I bet the counterfeit guys are going to take pointers from this video 🤣
They are usualy too lazy to do that
Exactly what I was thinking
You already know they will lol
Exactly
Well at least it will cost them more time, money or both. If someone's going to rip me off they better be working their ass off to get away with it!
I ran into this exact issue with Spark Plugs last year. I bought them on Amazon from FixaPart. I left a lengthy review with pictures comparing the 515's I pulled out, the 546's I bought from Amazon and the 546's I bought from the local AutoZone. There was a huge difference. I had a nasty misfire after installing the counterfeit's. I removed them and returned them. No questions asked.
AutoZone sells junk....
@@wildestcowboy2668 .. wow you really like commenting don't you! I think you're on just about every single one!
@@locknload9143 Did I tell a lie? Or did my facts offend the spinless Joe Biden loving gun banning clowns out there?
@@locknload9143 that commentor only has 1o comments, you have roughly 38. Simples maths
@@wildestcowboy2668they do but sometimes you can’t find certain parts so you don’t have a choice but to go to AutoZone. I have an old Lincoln car that’s over 20 years old. Certain parts are discontinued by ford so I have to get them at AutoZone or oreillys
Performance comparisons between the "fakes" and OEM parts would be the REAL TEST of these parts!
ojars zvaigzne Exactly because the fake plugs almost looked better and cleaner
Doesn’t matter. If I’m buying parts that I expect to be genuine that is the ONLY issue.
David Dale well the fact is that the genuine parts are made in China . So if you end up with a Chinese knockoff you may quite possibly be getting the same part . Idk it’s the world we live in .
David Dale it’s like buying a motorcraft filter thinking your getting a real ford filter . But it’s not because purolator makes all of ford’s filters so why not just buy a purolator .
@@cabinbills6743 the standard Purolator filters don't have the silicone drain back valves like the Motorcraft. Last I checked the premium Purolators that do have them are more expensive than the Motorcraft.
Nice for you to show and tell all the counterfeiters what they are doing wrong so they can fix the issues.
As a Ford owner always enjoy your DIY videos. Thanks for the heads up on fake parts.
I killed a coil on my 08 Focus and went shopping for a replacement to find them to be fairly expensive. I decided to take a chance and buy a four pack of obvious fakes for $27 figuring if I even get 3 months out of one of the fakes I would still be ahead. Well, 107K later and they are still flawless. It's a cheap daily beater, would I do this on a performance or towing application, hell no. Thanks for this video though, I've never trusted Ebay parts and just got a fuel filter kit for my 19` 6.7 PSD and I'm happy to report that it came from Auto Parts Wholesale (what a great price too!)
I had to do coils on my V10 Ford when I first bought it. I went with the cheapo 10 pack on Amazon (not knock offs, just off brand). It's been 2+ years and about 20k miles. I did have one coil fail recently after a cross country trip through 100+ heat while towing maxed out. All that heat puts a lot of strain on electronics. The rest work fine though. I figure that's about par for coils in my experience. I remember back in the late '90s when the COP's first came out they were a maintenance item that would need replacing pretty often, and with 10 the chances of failure are higher. Proof positive of that is that there was a mishmash of different brand coils on the truck when I bought it, so I know the premium and OEM ones don't last forever either. Plugs are a different story. I find wild variability in performance from one plug brand to the next. I like to use the OEM Motorcraft plugs on any of the later model Fords. By later model I mean anything since they went to the modular engines in the pickups. The old pushrod engines didn't seem to be quite as fussy.
Not all cars will operate and pass emissions with cheap coils. I wasted $125 on a set. Ended up getting 2 originals for $20 from a pick-n-pull . No check engine light passed emissions.
Me too, did not buy Motorcraft coils for my 5.4, I got cheap ebay coils, running fine.
Ground strap on real plug looks beefier.
Thank you for this!
Another good video. As a tech myself you always keep the old part and compare the new one to the old one. I have seen the new part have updated design. However, keep and compare the two for mounting bolts and other issues. Another problem is the factory don't use grease when installing coil on plug boots. When you remove it for plug replacement the boot will tear causing misfire. Use spray lubricant and wait a while before removing coil on plug.
Extremely helpful and informative as always. Sometimes I rewatch your other videos as a nice refresher because of how well you articulate certain issues, repairs, and even little side notes from your experience, that have helped me more times than I can count with both my 2nd Gen 5.0 Explorer and especially my 05 5.4 3v Expedition. Thank you for taking the time to teach all of us, and have a blessed day. 👍
The silver pen mark is know as "touch for quality" it's another confirmation that the operator has tested part (or a bolt has been torqued ) , its standard in most US assembly .
I’ve gotten burned by buying aftermarket parts, it’s much easier to just get them from the dealer. We had a GM dealer in Houston who was the largest counterfeiter of GM parts.
Bought my plugs at Advanced Auto Parts. They were less than the amazon ones by $2 each , dealer $5 each less; and much less likely to be fakes. Keep up the great videos.
Hey loco I actually had this exact same problem with AC Delco coil , plugs and parts from Amazon for the past two years.... great video,....
I think Advance Auto Parts have doing a good job lately. Been burned by AutoZone too many times. O'REILLY is ok, a little high unless you beat them down.
Went to Arizona Automotive Institute in 1976/1977 then worked as a mechanic at a Ford Dealership from 1978 to about 1985. Was there during the start of electronic ignition and electronic fuel injection. Then for some reason I went to college. Really glad I stumbled onto your channel. Things have come a long way. Thanks got the great content.
Wow mark I was born in 76 so you must be in your 80'$. Hope u have a few more years left my friend.
Great video! Although, I must say, I work at a parts store and we have plenty of old-label Motorcraft parts. Personally I'm super obsessive about selling the old-box stuff first and/or stocking it so people that aren't paying attention grab the oldest stock, but most of my coworkers don't care and for some less common parts the warehouse even still sends parts with the previous packaging design.
Good video. I was a victim to NGK counterfeit spark plugs a couple years ago. They're everywhere, beware. I only buy important stuff from a reputable vendor now.
Right On, Great Video, I have purchased aftermarket parts from Napa per customer request in the Elgin line that are clearly branded MotorCraft, and always thought it strange. Some work, most do not. Especially the blower motor resistors. Never Work.
Excellent info Brian. Anywhere there is a demand, scammers will try to profit.
Welcome to the REAL WORLD!!!
I bought an "AC Delco" water pump off Amazon a few years ago. Installed it and forgot about it. A couple years late the pump went out to my surprise. I ended up checking the cast part number on it and found out it was actually an Eastern Industries (Indian company) pump re-packaged as AC Delco. I got counterfeited.
What really pissed me off is when I posted the review with photos as proof on Amazon, Amazon deleted it...
Amazon sucks. It's the walmart we all use.
The same happened to me but with a drive belt.
Bought some Bosch brand spark plugs for my Mercedes at $12 a piece from the auto parts store I use to work at. They had to request them from a "sister" store and 6 of the plugs had been used as someone re-glued the box. The lengths people will go to to scam amazes me.
I had this happen also. First, they sold me the wrong part and upon returning them they recognized the mistake and brought me the correct plugs that were reboxed used ones. The boxes were covered in grease and I open one to compare to a plug out of the scion iq. I hate that store not because of the parts quality but because they hire idiots
I worked at a parts store some 15yrs ago and sold somebody a caliper, I opened the box to show him the part and much to our surprise, there was a brick inside. Some slacker counterman did NOT check the box when a previous customer returned it.
This is why I loathe cheap people, because what usually starts out as a harmless quirk eventually turns into this obsessive behavior that is criminal.
Same-store now requires prepaid orders. Used to not but after the spark plug incident, I see why.
Mind blowing.
Gotta go take my plugs out at 3 am in the morning after watching this video.. My wife's going to think I'm crazy, but I aint takin no chances.
Its 3 am as I read this lol luckily I have no plugs to take out
Your wife is right. The reason OEM parts are so expensive is because they go through 4 or five levels of markup before you buy them. Every damned thing is made in China today. A few years ago I bought an Olympus E3 camera, I was shocked when I saw "Made In China" on it. Not a cheap camera.
@@JamesAgans Not everything that is made in China is poor quality.
If she's a typical wife she's already sure of it
Brian is a damn walking ford genius..lol..BEST ford guy on UA-cam..imo
Homie literally linked the fake ones for us to buy in a older video🤣
Brian, I also noticed the radius on the bottom of the ground strap on the spark plugs is different. The OEM plug has a radius and the fake is much flatter. I'm guessing the OEM radius design is to give a little longer life by providing more equidistant spark paths along the radius as the ground strap gets arc gouged to death. On the coils I noticed the plastic parting lines are different. Also, the ejector pins in the plastic molds are also in different locations.
Yeah, the OEM had a chamfered end of the tube and the counterfeit was ground flat and sharp. You don't want sharp hard edges in the combustion chamber or you will have a hot spot and pre-ignition engine knocking. Be careful SVT folks with superchargers and 900HP+ dyno pulls. Maybe that is why your engines fail?
Amazon and eBay owe it to their customers to have a task force that removes sellers of fakes too! Really wish you went into some discussion about that mercon lv case you show in the beginning. Need to know what to look for on faked fluids as well!
Yeah but the customer has to use their head as well. I just bought some fake NGK spark plugs from ebay but watched a real vs fake video prior to installation. I should've known that 4 spark plugs that normally go for $10-$12 a piece should of never been for sale at $15 for a 4 pack. These companies all have legitimate stores on Amazon and Ebay but the temptation to get the best deal is sometimes too strong.
@@donniev8181 sure but if Amazon and eBay told their sellers if they get caught selling fakes they’re going to be removed as a seller and made some effort there would be less of that temptation. Or at least require them to state “not authentic” but Amazon and eBay only care about 1 thing and that’s items being sold so they get a cut. Amazon is nothing like it used to be when it comes to their customer service and guarantees. I think they’re almost happy to join in on the rip offs versus customer satisfaction.
@@donniev8181 it’s a big issue with fake oil/fuel filters especially 6.0 powerstroke. It’s like $75 for the two fuel filters and $30 for the oil filter. It’s hard to tell them apart online because the prices will be good, but comparable. I’ve bought fake filters that had a perfect box and design but experience told me that the materials were slightly off. I installed them anyway because I’d already pulled the old ones and figured they’d work until new ones came. It threw a code and went into limp mode like 80 miles later. The 6.0 is super picky about what filters it uses.
I bought some spark plugs off eBay. After watching your video. I returned them Thanks for your informative video.
Excellent, this video is a prototypical example of why I am subscribed and find value in pretty much everything posted on this channel about my car. I probably do not even remember to hit the "👍" button enough -- will try to more often. Five stars!
Dude, Thank you so much for sharing this video and informing us; The PCM in my truck recently went out cause of the Fake Ignition Coils, Bummer, Getting it Fixed. Thank you
That's a lie pal.
I Literally Bought Fake Motorcraft Ignition Coils, then I seen this Video, didn’t even know this Video Was out there.
All I Know is when I put those Fake Ignition Coils on, my truck completely shut down; So I put the original Motorcraft coils back on, my truck started running again; Was it the Fake Coils? I don’t Know, all I know is what I told you.
Thanks, I didn't know about this. A few months back a customer brought me his truck for a tune up and had bought the parts online. I thought the coils looked cheap, specifically the shiny plastic stood out to me, but they were in Ford bags so I figured I was judging them wrong or that Ford had changed to the cheaper plastic.
Yep! I went to a Ford dealership to be sure I got the real thing....$488 for the 8 plugs and coil packs. Wow! Wish I had never seen the Amazon fakes....can’t sleep at night thinking about the difference in price! LOL! Thanks for your expertise and advice!
Fake actually looks better in appearance: Threads, weld, machining...
My question would be on the plugs regardless of who made it which one is actually better ?
Mike41 yeah i was thinking the same thing . I mean if they’re decent quality parts then what’s the problem other than i’m sure ford doesn’t like it .
A new pickup can be over 70K and ford buys it’s parts from the lowest bidder
@@cabinbills6743
I was fixing my 98 Ranger , bought parts from local dealership , chinese made . Go figure .
2018Burb SK well thank god you didn’t get any of those cheap Chinese knockoffs on amazon
Can you do a video on F150 2008 5.4L EFI V8. Horrible screeching noise when attempting but won't start. Starts after trying 3-4 times. Thank you. I love watching your videos.
Thank you for this video. I was just about to buy 16 spark plugs on eBay for 75 bucks. For my 2014 SVT raptor. You saved me once again
The SP 526 plugs on Ebay (now $81.81) look OEM to me. You can tell when you zoom in how rough the threads are compared to smooth threads of the fakes! Also, the printing on the plug looks OEM (faded).
As an old retired mechanic let me say we saw counterfeit tune up parts in the early 1970's. I walk into my local ford dealership for my parts needs to ensure service life. Stay safe all......
Thanks for the heads up. Tasca Ford on Ebay is very reputable to buy from. I do, however, have a great Ford dealer that gives me excellent prices, that I deal with on a regular basis. Coil packs? I really prefer MSD blaster coil packs which give me over 350k miles on my 5.4 without any problems. But all in all, genuine Ford Motorcraft is the way to go.
Yea, Tasca uses an authentic Ford supplier. I just ordered some stuff from them as well.
Tasca Ford has been in business for a very long time.
I had several Ford Trucks in a fleet that had counterfeit plugs in them. We had all kinds of misfires and running issues. We changed them out to OEM and have had no more problems. Great Video.
Shared in all the ford groups i'm part of. Thanks for all the help you give the ford community
Problem is at least 40 years old, not just Ford. Guy rolls up to a store, says "I bought a bankruptcy sale, I can sell you this stuff cheap" and some shops are dumb enough to do it. Oil filters, inkjet cartridges, cell phone batteries, lots of things.
Thanks for sharing this info. Anymore info on the 5.0v8 would help. As in counterfeit parts
I needed to watch this video two months ago! Yep, I got scammed. Spark plugs and Coils.
Great video!!
Also noticed on this example that the coil bags, one said "COIL" and one said "IGNITION COIL", not sure if it is always like that.
Great video! You have now answered why I don't buy parts online, especially spark plugs and coils. Now I can see fakes vs real ones! Thanks again!
My god! I never knew they went to that extent to deceive! thank you for taking the time to point this out.
It just amazes me that you don't have more subscribers than you do. You know Ford vehicles better than most Ford employees. I wish you were closer, because you would be my go to mechanic. Thanks for all the informative videos. Please keep it up.
Thank you for the vid! Can you please cut the plugs(like a plug chop) to compare?
Sounds like a good suggestion for "Project Farm".
The fake also said "Coil" on the front and the real said "Ignition Coil." Great info!
If you shine a uv flashlight / black light on the genuine boxes, there is a Ford symbol and "ford parts" shown. But you can't see it otherwise.
Yes, also very easy way to find it out.
Brian, a quick update:
I checked the Motorcraft DG508 Ignition Coil suppliers you recommended and one of them has a clear counterfeit posted on Amazon. The bad supplier is Auto Parts Wholesale.
One customer checked his part with Motorcraft and they told him the part he bought is counterfeit, and it was from APW.
Just FYI brother.
Keep up the terrific videos!
They really help me with the restoration of a 2000 Ford Expedition 5.4L Eddie Bauer 4WD.
Really where? I saw a few on there complaining they were fake from amazon and other sellers with pictures and they were obviously OEM so not sure how credible the reports are until I have pictures.
@@FordTechMakuloco Yeah, you really hit on a tough issue for any consumer. I bought what I think is an OEM part based on your video, but the spring isn't protruding from the sleeve. The old part is definitely OEM and the spring doesn't protrude on that one either. My new part has the white mark on the electrical cap, but its not level, more of an upward angled swipe. I'm trying to find the bag it came in to check for the holes. Otherwise, checking everything you said, it seems legit. I had no idea of the problem until I watched your video. Unbelievable.....I hear you about pictures. Maybe I should buy one and take photos to confirm.
@@FordTechMakuloco I uploaded photos to your Instagram account. The coil photos might be a "deep fake" as you call it because the spring doesn't extend beyond the sleeve, no printing on the mounting bezel. But everything else in those photos, as you'll see, fit the OEM criteria you mentioned. What do you think?
I wish I could attach a picture. Im in the middle of doing the timing on my 2014 3.5 and am using all Ford parts. When I received the rtv (ta-357 i believe) there was literally a sticker over top of a tube of loctite. The loctite sells for something like $8 and I paid almost $50 for the Ford brand. Unbelievable. Keep up the great videos.
When I buy genuine Ford 'orange' coolant at my Ford Dealer, I make sure to buy GENUINE FORD WATER (orange) also from my Friendly Local Ford Dealer. Don't want to VOID the warranty!
ojars zvaigzne Orange gatoraid works great if you’re selling the vehicle.
Thanks for the informative video. I finished installing an ATK reman long block in my 97 ford this past fall. I had read other articles about fakes. All the plastic bags for the DG508s I got had the relief holes, so I think I got genuine DG508. The ones I took out of the old engine were all over the place with regards to markings. None had a paint mark across connector. They were all done by Ford dealer except 2 replacements that had been made later. 4 had a white epoxy fill with printed Motorcraft label also with numbers covering half of fill. Boot had Ford oval raised logo molded in on 2 of those. The other 4 were similar to 511 you showed in your video except 2 had the part number not engineering number. So who knows what they were. Can't complain about original engine though. 1 complete coil / plug replacement at 100k by dealer, subsequently 300k on all but 2 of those coils. And I think they all still function, but wasn't going to put them back in a new engine.
Counterfeiters know how to improve their game after this video.
Of course counterfeiters know the differences. They study the Ford parts and copy what they can while keeping manufacturing cost low. In reality, they can watch this video and giggle at all the differences he failed to point out or missed.
It would cost the counterfeit manufacturers shit tons of money to adjust for everything they screwed up. Right now they're at a "close enough" point and won't bother to adjust their process.
I just bought what was supposed to be the oil filter FL2051S for 6.7 Diesel, which is being replaced by FL2124, which would explain why nobody had 2051S in stock anywhere recently. So I ordered from Amazon, and the filter came in a used box, all tattered, and had the 2124 filter in the 2051S box. Def not going to use it, no telling what's damaged inside the filter since it was just haphazardly thrown into this old box. Glad you posted trusted retailers.
On the coils, the Ford one said "Ignition Coil". The counterfeit just said "Coil"
@@pantherplatform E3: We hate your ignition coils, and soon you will too
Those blew out every coil on a Dodge I put them in years ago.
@@JasonW. Do you mean the SPARK PLUGS blew out your ignition coils OR the "fake" coils blew out your OEM coils?
@@TheOzthewiz all factory coils failed, one by one, after putting in the E3 (edit: E3 spark plugs). New OEM coils then started to fail after replacing failed ones. Replaced E3 spark plugs with Champion and replaced last failed OEM coil, no problems since for years.
Yeah I was wondering if anyone else noticed the lack of "ignition" in the fake offering. I was surprised that he didn't mention that.
@@JasonW. I've always hated E3 POS plugs ever since I tried it on a Flathead Briggs. Ran like shit with one of those and lugged in some thicker grass than normal. I now just use NGK in everything.
Ford does this too though. Rebranding at least. Just purchased rtv ta-357 online, underneath the motorcraft label was Loctite 5900. Thought that was an issue until i went to the ford dealership and had the exact same label issue covering a loctite brand rtv. BUYING loctite 5900 rtv under that name is much cheaper as well.
Another thing that might help is that they don’t put the accented “I” in Bujías. Instead they put Bujias
Michael yeah but that will be only more noticeable for us bilingual people, los americanos no saben que es una tilde o acento 😅
@@VortexVibe634
Я тоже это заметил
ANYTHING where chinese write English or another language is A MESS because they are too tight to use a genuine native speaker, just some local hack who was asleep thru half the English class. Instead you get misspelt words and they screw up using capitals in the wrong place or none at all. I saw guys who copied famous paintings for a living. When they finally decided to paint something THEMSELVES, they couldn't even get the sizes right for things further in the background. Things further away were the same size as close up and although they had been "painting" for 15 years, they had no clue how to do ANYTHING except copy.
How about those companies whose products are being attacked with fakes start selling through specified outlets instead of anyone who has a business licence? It's their own damn fault. Anyone who is set on genuine parts will go to the people who carry them and pay the price. Buying pistons from Alli Bubba online is just retarded.
I'm in the process of installing the OEM brake controller in my F150. I mistakenly bought a counterfeit one off Ebay. Didnt realize it until i watched Smackey's Garage video where he disassembles an OEM and two fake ones. Several people have had the fake controllers melt or catch fire. Thankfully I was able to return the fake and bought a genuine one from an online Ford dealer. Be careful with what you buy folks!
As always, outstanding video, seeing this now I realize I was taken for a ride on Amazon.
Many Thanks for the great info.
I just looked at the box from my older car from a couple years ago and it's got the old style box, damn Auto Zone 😡😡😡😡😡
Thank for your videos! Just double checked my Amazon order and it's from your recommended sellers. You're the man.
I bought MOTORCRAFT plugs from AutoZone and one of the grounding straps fell off. I see they sell junk also
And I’ll bet they will argue with you when you go to return them say it’s your fault
I wonder if that is what Rock Auto sells? I see lots of Motorcraft parts that are comparable in price to aftermarket.
Autozone sells genuine Motorcraft. If you had an issue take it back for refund , no problem.
@@joehastings1 Had a second plug fall apart and got them all replaced FREE., but i had to do the job TWICE
I am mexican and l do not speak english very well but l understant all that you explaint in your tutorials that you publish l love watching your vídeos and practiced them with may cars l have many thankes for sharing your experience
I work in a aftermarket parts store ( won’t say what chain, probably all the same.) Pulled boxes of Motorcraft plugs off the shelf. Half looked real and half looked counterfeit right out of the warehouse. Go figure, never know what you are buying. Buyer beware.
I was getting a bunch of crap parts at Napa auto parts, stopped using them years ago...
I would have never been able to tell the difference. Thanks for this mate.
Lol the closed captions
"hello and welcome back to the fort I'm a calico channel"
I had to turn captions on just so I could read that lol
Google has a lot of work to do on their captions.
Chinese knock off caption writers.
Brian, it's your attention to detail that helps us viewers. The un-initiated would do well to pay attention. Installing sub-par quality always comes back to bite us in the you-know-what! Thx.
I've had good luck with rock auto and kmans parts . I've found that denso coils appear to be OEM
I called Denso and they told me if you want to be 100% ONLY buy from Toyota/Lexus, Advance and Autozone. They are the only authorized retailers. For Ford parts I look for a brick and mortar dealer selling on ebay.
@@alb12345672 steven hi I use rock auto all the time for motorcraft parts and i just looked at the spark plug box and it looks just like the fake box brian showed in the video
I bought HID replacement lights and plugs for a Toyota on Amazon. It took me 3 tries with Amazon to get the bulbs to be legit. The plugs were right the first time. I like saving money but I find it hard to trust Amazon and the BS they sell. I just stopped doing business with them. I now just buy at Walmart or Jet. So far all the parts I have purchased and other items have been fully legit. I will pass on all Amazon purchases. Good video. Now the cheaters and fakes know what they need to do to improve their counterfeit efforts haha. Love the channel. Keep up the good work.
Amazon = shit
What about spark plugs from advance auto or oriely and autozone ?
Stay away or should I say run away !!
Az is overpriced but should be legit
Great video. Good job pointing out potential differences between fakes and genuine OEM's.
Deep fakes: $
OEM: $$
Now we wonder why OEM tend to be more expensive than others.
I'll stick with OEM as much as I can.
When in doubt, always go for genuine OEM.
Robert Keefer that's the problem we think we're buying OEM and it's not. Who hasn't had a busy day doing something and realize oh I've got to order that part jump online order it don't give it much thought and it comes in and you think everything is good and do we really know what's what
Dealership sales are fakes too I just rebuild a motorcycle motor last summer and I was sold fake plugs over the counter
Were you paying attention
I watched diesel tech Ron video on filters. I ordered a fuel ,air and oil filter set OEM. Then I ordered the $25 set knock off. When you put them side by side you can tell the difference in the height. I tried to install the bottom fuel filter and the cap would not seat. Had I just ordered the knock off, I would have had to put the dirty one back in. There is a difference folks.
Great how motorcraft even calls you Bougie for buying OEM sparkplugs
Thanks; Just checked my spare coil for authenticity. The perforated bag, the coil and silver paint mark check out. Was bought at Advance Auto parts. I also have some old coils that were pulled from 2001 Expy 4.6L and they have a green sticker with OEM PN and engineering number. Also brass inserts for the mounting bolt. I think these are perhaps early versions.
Damn it's almost like the OE is the fake with the faded letter and discoloration on welds lol
OEM: Uno reverse card
They use "fake" looks to make themselves look genuine.
Awesome info. Discovered I got ripped off & how come my #3 coil burned out after just a week. Thanks again
It's really irks me that I have to spend so much time finding a non-counterfeit auto part and then playing investigator to make sure it isn't a fake. The NGK coils I just bought are Made in China. WTF? Watch the video of the guy who bought a "genuine" Honda transmission filter (looks like a metal canister type fuel filter) and he could see right through the end fittings. He cut it open and it was empty. No filter media. Where is our federal Consumer Products Division? Go after these businesses selling knockoffs!
Screw Amazon and Ebay, go to your local brick and mortar stores and keep your neighbors employed.
Thanks for the warning. You're a saver. 👍💓🙂
Brian,
I recently purchased some "motorcraft injectors" for a 6.0 powerstroke. No core charge on eBay. The no core charge was a red flag to me but I went on with it. The injectors were marked "reman" on the injector body and from research that seemed accurate for a Ford reman. However these markings were not immediately followed by a serial number. The injectors carry a 2 yr warranty. After I installation I had a cylinder 6 contribution code and tons of white smoke. No bubbles in the secondary fuel filter when cranking with the remote wire so I knew they sealed correctly as I was very thorough while installing. The seller followed up by sending a replacement but I know OEM motorcraft injectors rarely fail. I was wondering if you have encountered fake motorcraft 6.0 injectors. Thanks! I appreciate all your videos.
Ford has a task force for this kind of fraud ? Where do I send my resume ?
Same. I'd be honored to help keep my fellow ford fanatics safe from counterfeit parts
I did not know this was a big thing. Your video just saved my ass because I've been searching for Motorcraft plugs on FleaBay. Props man! Thanks.
Me and FoMoCo THANK YOU !
Someone in the supply chain has to KNOW the product has questionable sourcing.
be careful there are counterfeit NGK plugs on amazon as well
I only buy NGK plugs for my car. But I don't trust Amazon or eBay to order those from. I find it safer and easier to just use Rock Auto.
@@SkylineFTW97 rock auto is one of my favorite websites👍
@@SkylineFTW97 It is often cheaper to buy on RA as well. I like to price compare between the two and have found Rock Auto to actually be cheaper than Amazon on pretty much everything. Amazon's prices have been going up over the years to help pay for the "free" Prime shipping that comes with your paid membership and it's almost always easier to buy from Rock Auto and pay a few bucks for shipping that's maybe 1-2 days slower. And Rock Auto is more honest about their aftermarket parts--if it's OEM then it's OEM, if it isn't then it's clearly indicated. I got a serpentine belt for my F-250 shipped to my door for around $11, even if the sucker only lasts 20k miles before wearing out I don't mind it! I think the OEM belt was in the $30 range and I'd be a little over $40 after shipping.
@@406Steven Exactly. I try to spring a bit more for quality parts whenever possible, but if you have a beater, it doesn't really matter. But for my daily, my new (to me) 2013 Honda Accord, I'd rather pay the $200 for a decent set of NGK ignition coils than deal with cheap, defective parts.
I've heard 50/50 luck with rock auto unfortunately I haven't heard from anyone about big ticket buys just petty wipers and small project buys
Amazon and Ebay have a good return policy. I bought and installed, one cheap, counterfeit, ignition coil and it's still good after 30,000 miles. Performance has been good too.
When I buy motorcraft on amazon I always make sure I order from motorcraft.
Isn't that stuff sold and shipped by amazon though? Who is to say they are getting parts from a reputable dealer?
@Sam S Got some knockoffs from Rockauto?
The specifics that you point out for fake coils can (mostly) be easily and quickly copied by the counterfeiters: a metallic Sharpie line, holes punched in the bags, etc. Those can be too easily remedied to look just like the OEM coils. What really caught my eye (especially on the poorer-quality fake) were the MOLD LINES, especially on the rubber boots. These are high-voltage devices and precautions are taken in manufacture to negate the flow of that electricity via the insulating rubber (or silicone) boot, and a common failure of high-voltage insulators are via cracks, and mold lines (in the rubber boot, in this instance). If I opened a new coil from the packaging and saw obvious mold lines running longitudinally on the insulating boot (from one end to the other end), I would promptly take it back to the counter and ask for a real OEM coil and not a fake. The mold lines are especially grievous on the poor fake! The OEM also has some longitudinal mold lines on the boot, but they are not as pronounced, and also not appear to run the entire length of it; there is a section, a band that goes all the way around, that appears to be perfectly smooth, no mold lines. This would make a good barrier to the flow of high-voltage current, but the fake boots, with obvious mold lines running all the way from one end of the boot to the other end, are the giveaway to me. One of the ways they can make the fakes so cheaply is to cut corners in the manufacturing process, and quality manufacturing usually leaves no mold lines, or very fine and clean mold lines.
Amazing... I had no idea counterfeits were this good now.
I wish you made this video a year ago...however it appears I got the right parts on Amazon. Auto Parts Wholesale for my coils