It's nice being able to type in "reddit" after a question and actually see human beings discussing solutions to that problem instead of an incredibly bias article that has to tell me their life story and repeating shit after each paragraph for some reason before getting the answer or shilled on. Typically you'll find two different articles for the same question giving you two completely different answers.
@@cyrustakem7993 People's opinions are biased often for good empirical reasons. Internet journalist's opinions are biased because they're lazy and corrupt. It's not the same thing. If I want to learn how hammer a nail I'd rather ask someone who's hammered a nail before, even if they're wrong it's a million times better than someone's who's job it is to actively be a detriment to society.
@@cyrustakem7993 Yes but they're not promoted by clicks, that's the whole issue of these dumb articles that try to make a living out of "Best chicken recipe (no dry chicken!)" articles
Don't forget these articles being 80% covered in obnoxious ads (if you're somehow not using an adblocker yet), pop-ups telling you to give your ancestry's entire storyline or go through a pain-stakingly long process of manually disabling all the tracking stuff individually, then more pop-ups about subscribing your email so they can sell it to spammers and possibly "nigerian princes" and no actual useful information in the article itself anyway
But the whole point of (((big tech))) is to HIDE the relevant results and only give you one version of everything, forever. The approved narrative on everything from videogames to lasagna recipes. Because if you get your lasagna recipes from a White woman you're doing a racism.
@@EVEMASTER99Idk man. I asked Bing Chat to give me links to people praising Sword of Truth for its anti communism, and all I got were links to why it's fascist.
The truth is we need a real search engine or web crawler like in the old days. You could use logic operators and get the results to your question without corporate sponsorship and censorship of results. Using Google these days is just asking Big Brother for permission to see information.
This, if I want an answer to a question I: -Don't want a sponsored ad/link -Don't want a dumb website like Quora -Don't want a website selling a product to somehow be recommended -Don't want to waste anymore time
The biggest issue is funding. Web development and server time is expensive. This would have to be a subscription based function, but unfortunately there just isn't enough market (yet?) to make it viable.
Google's search has been getting worse for a while, you used to be able to get straight search reults but now I believe Google ads are a part of the SEO. This is just a continuation of the decline.
This is the heart of the matter. Google results aren't about the best result anymore. They're about who plays the SEO game. Like sometimes you search for drivers for your printer, you MAY end up with the first 100 results being irrelevant sales and FAQ pages from the manufacturer, if they play the SEO game, so they flood your results with what they want you to see not what you want to see.
*If many people type the same google search results all their search results won't be exact same results.* Abc/google manipulation they own search results to hide certain truths they the big tech don't want you to know. Which is why myself prefer: search results: brave browser.
@@TheThreatenedSwan Yeah sure, Google trying to ram Google Lens down your throat instead of reverse image search, the top five links in a search result being sponsored ads and video search results pointing to TikTok, which redirects you to the app store, have really enhanced my search experience. Also the ability to view source images without going to the original website is no longer there (they lost a lawsuit with Pinterest). Sorry but Google peaked about 8-10 years ago, when the algorithm was both optimized and they hadn't figured out how to squeeze every last penny out of your queries.
Reading a bunch of people discussing about a topic is way more efficient than reading whole article someone write which contain 10% of actual information and 90% of bullshit
Its good because its people quickly talking about their real experiences than articles which might be just verbose and give you an unclear answer like you say
Because when you want to cook lasagna you really mean that you want 40 different ppl with 40 ideas of what lasagna is and the argument about that and is it cultural appropriation that's what you really want.
@@tmsphereless that and more like stuff like the ssd or nvidia sub where they discuss which gpu’s or ssds to get, it can get pretty technical and there’s usually quite alot of disagreement
Because the 'article' is usually just some random bullshit someone cooked up in a content farm. Even if not, it's usually already 'optimised' for max SEO and this shows in the term bombing. It really gets harder and harder to find good stuff on the open net anymore.
The problem is that over time it is getting more difficult to find things written by real people (In the deluge of fake generated pages...is that recipe site real? Is that woman a real person? Is the essay AI-generated? There are literally thousands of sites like that which are all nearly identical.). Using the site tag was just a hack to get around that. All the big companies seem to want to hurt the situation rather than helping by introducing their own generated garbage. Great.
As far as Recipe's and other useful references are concerned, I'm now imagining TechBro's in Silicon Valley all turning their heads to the sound of rustling paper as billions of old school books march upon and lay siege to their enclave XD
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 I do think the concept is sensationalized, to a degree, but there's definitely truth to it in the more mundane sense of worthless 'reviews', top tens, and news aggregations that flood search results.
@@Bustermachineyea , a lot of the news stuff is just paraphrasing each other, what is even is that if just one of them is wrong a bunch of the other ones end up being wrong because they don't even bother fact checking before posting it on their own website. Just care about getting their page on the search engine to get views and ad revenue.
Most subreddits are absolute garbage, though. Redeeming quality of reddit are those niche little hobby subs with like 15k followers. Once any subreddit reaches over 100k, let alone a million, it just becomes this endless spam of vapid memes.
@@belstar1128Discord mumble mumble gaming. It's one of the only free services with "free" voice and video chat now that services like Zoom really limit free users. But that's only if you use it socially. If you only use it for chat or business, and you don't need video sharing, Discord is mediocre at best.
@@belstar1128 Discord is basically IRC for zoomers. Chat servers with assigned roles for users and heavy reliance on bots for automating functions of the server. But with a GUI instead of console commands, and a voice chat.
Better to read through posts on reddit than to look at sponsored results on dedicated shill sites. Less shill-y results, usually. Google killed their "discussions" search feature dead a long time ago and helped prevent a diversity of internet forums from growing. And normies are not going to look through the few 4chan archival sites that are still operating, even if looking for useful information and discussion in most boards was easy.
Why would I want to use 4 Chan, why should I have to? Isn’t the entire point of a search engine supposed to be that it helps get the results I asked for without needing to dig through all the old archives myself? Shouldn’t a search engine be able to you know, search and not give useless results.
This was meant to illustrate why the site is used so much in queries and not the few other alternatives that are even big enough to be useful for multiple subjects.
Why would anyone ever use 4chan for a source of information? You'd have to be a bat shit qanon nut to.. oh wait >.>... Like the whole platform is about bein anon as possible and doin it for the L0Lz.
i remember google being way more straightforward regarding search results around 5-10 years ago, now its flooded with affiliate sites and sponsered shit
This reddit blackout taught me something valuable: Bing doesn't hide it's cached results, you just click the dots beside the search and go. Google used to do that, now you have to dig through a separate menu and half the time it doesn't offer it's cache there either, you've got to perform a dark ritual to squeeze that cache out of them.
We need to go back to forums, which are far superior to reddit. (I remember when I used the candlepower forums to find info on flashlights. It was much better organized and easier to search through.) It would be pretty nifty if someone built a new forum software that operated on the federated concept, allowing a resurgence of the superior internet tool.
@@DoubleOhSilvercan you offer some examples? Also, I think is not about having a new forum software, the problem is big corpos eating away the minority
Discord is pretty open, but it's not a good platform. 100% find somewhere else to migrate to, they've already started burning themselves to the ground.
@@guillermoelninoI'm sure you've seen the memes about the mods on both of these platforms, they're basically the same breed of basement dwelling neckbeards.
@@KoopaKid660 agree with you on the archive part. iirc Yahoo answers was a mess due to trolling and shit posting on the site though I don't know how moderation team was used to admin the site and sites like reddit at the time had subreddit called askreddit if I remember correctly and it was well moderated at the time and reddit was slowly become popular too. Now reddit is suffering a simular fate Yahoo answers had near it's end.
I could be absolutely wrong, but from what I'm seeing one of the most alive type of forums are car forums, wish many games ditch subredits and move to their own forums.
I think a big part of this issue is the fact that reddit's own search function is absolutely useless, literally one of the worst I've ever tried to use. If reddit's own search was actually decent, I would likely use it instead of google to find the content on reddit I'm looking for.
2:30 that’s not even the worst, the worst results are hundreds of websites that are using AI to copy paste from the same poorly written article with some bizarre modifications.
for the past like half a year I've started seeing more and more really bad articles that are IDENTICAL to other articles. so if I search something more specific, the first 2-4 articles have the exact same paragraphs with just different photos.
Too bad most of the good obscure websites closed. because they stopped getting views since they didn't show up on Google. We will need to rebuild the internet.
maybe if Google did it's actual job and served you relevant results from different forums and sources rather than be a glorified link aggregator for big tech and other garbage journals they wouldn't be in this situation.
The reason for the lasagne essays is a cynical (yet effective) attempt to get more search traffic to the site. The whole internet is massively polluted with content that is high quality enough to reasonably be served by Google, but not high quality enough that it's a good use of your time to read it. So called "AI" (actually just random text generation) is only making this worse at such technology excels at creating this minimal quality content.
@@alexdrockhound9497 Interesting idea, but I'm pretty sure the essay thing is SEO 101. Writing a copyrighted essay doesn't stop someone copying just the recipe part, so I don't see how that helps anything.
ehhh... not really. Since most LLM training conversations and information come from Reddit, restricting their API forces companies to pay post 2023. If they don't, we'll have the chatGPT situation where information is limited to a particular epoch.
Google, what are the speaker wiring colors for a 2017 Hyundai h1 van? Can you ask me nicely? Please Google..... I suppose i can try..... even though you were very rude to me..... and when you did ask nicely, it seemed disingenuous..... i don't think you actually care about me at all..... you're just trying to use me..... I do care about you Google Now that you want something, sure..... No I really do..... I'm too annoyed with you to do it now..... come back in a few hours and I'll see if i want to then..... I'll just go use Bing instead. Screw it FINE!!! LEAVE ME THEN!!! I NEVER CARED FOR YOU ANYWAY!!!
I'm wondering if we won't end up in a situation like when we tried to feed cow bonemeal to cows and got mad cows disease. If we keep feeding AI with "itself" it'll sooner or later start hallucinating, won't it?
The reason we add reddit at the end of most queries is because the first result is always some useless article with either too much text, or a product placement.
It was really good. I wanted to check if humble choice was worth it. "Is humble choice worth it Reddit" is so much more helpful because it gives real people's experiences within a few sentences as opposed to some vague shit article on the internet
It's not like Reddit is the only site I want to use, it's just that if I don't add "reddit" to my query, I get flooded with a bunch of useless aggregator sites that all say the exact same thing, and god forbid I'm searching for something to buy, all of the results will be shill sites.
Yea I remember reseaching a author and I kid you not. I stumbled upon a site that dragged on and made you click through a slide show full of ads. I had to relay upon a book because I was tired of click bait.
If Spez was smart enough he would've pitched selling Reddit to Google. With how important it appears the site is to the SEO, Google probably would've bought it before all the drama.
Spez is power hungry. He would never sell what is basically the equivalent of the ministry of truth from 1984 that he can censor and change to his whims.
If Reddit dies out I'll some pretty mixed feelings, because on one hand if something like Lemmy takes its place then I feel the internet will be healthier overall but on the other hand reddit dying would be the modern equivalent of the library of Alexandria going up in flames. This really shows the importance of archives like the wayback machine
Pro tip for anybody unfamiliar, if you found a reddit search result that ended up with a private subreddit, click the arrow/three dots next to the URL on the google search result you wanna view, and click cached image, it'll give you a snapshot taken by google before the sub went private and you'll still be able to view the question/answers.
Do they? So far it's looking like AI is being thrusted into every possible search medium whether people are asking for it or not. Heck, it's even on MDN docs now all of a sudden.
@@scrittle fair enough. I guess I mean in the sense that when you look something up you'd have a better chance of running into opposed opinions when you have to search through multiple pages to find your answer vs. an ai bot just providing you with only the most popular answer. In my experience I usually end up exploring new topics in my search for an answer because you run into more information when you have to read through multiple sources, like branching off the original question
No one is standing against anything. Reddit was just a free service people were using. No one was paying to use Reddit. I do not pay to come to UA-cam. I come here to pass time. And if UA-cam closes down today I will pass time another way. You really think something is happening? I occasionally went to Reddit if a search result took me there. But I could see it was a mess everyttime I dropped in and never actually went to Reddit independent of a search.
I don't think Lemmy has legs to support any kind of large userbase tbh. Power hungry moderators are already a giant meme with how pervasive they are, imagine if a discord/reddit moderator could randomly choose to defederate from other discords/subreddits, essentially making your account worthless on large swaths of the site. I don't think Lemmy is it unless you're going to be focusing on the most inane shit ever like boilerplate programming tutorials and cat pictures.
@@Kiddio The value is in the prominence your account builds overtime. If someone on Reddit gives you advice, you can look at their post history and see 1. they have an old account, 2. you can see they frequently have highly upvoted posts/comments on the topic they're giving you advice on. Lemmy is one step above getting advice from an anonymous 4chan user lol
Reddit is probably the only website which facilitates bunch of very specific communities where many people can post on a page, instead of a single person like with most of the social media.
i'm guilty of using reddit as a keyword. had some surgery done a while ago and wanted to know what i should expect but google just gave me a bunch of useless studies and articles, so i tacked "reddit" onto the end and found some helpful posts.
It's great for substance information, tech information, coding help, things of all nature. 9/10 I add reddit onto the end. Especially when searching for code related / tech related things. I can't be bothered to search through Google's results.
I hate how reddit changed their UI from the old to the new and forced it on everyone but now they made a new one again (shown in this video) and it looks better but they are NOT GIVING IT TO ME WHAT THE
I have reddit articles from years ago that still get comments because it's the only place on the web for that information, and it's been the first result for the subject. It's sad for this information to be blocked
Reddit's biggest problem is banning and censorship. Sounds like it's going to be even worse with Lemmy. We need a forum where the only blocking comes from one user blocking another user or one user blocking content they don't want to see for themselves.
Yeah I don't see how lemmy is going to be any better than Reddit. It looks like they banned thedonald a million times quicker than reddit did, with much less outrage. If you start a lemmy instance that allows the same level of free speech that reddit does, I'd imagine almost no one is going to federate with you. If no one federates with you, everyone has to make a lemmy account just for your instance..... At that point you might as well have just started your own forum. Imagine if a reddit/discord moderator could randomly decide to make your account not work on vast swaths of the website lmao. Federation is a giant meme.
@@BrianCroweAcolyteWe need to bring back forums dedicated to niche topics. Reddit centralized everything which unsurprisingly resulted in the internet becoming lower quality as the same powermod losers have control over any sub that gains traction.
advertisers don't want that, and websites want to be profitable. So that means paying for membership or porn ads. The internet is ruled by marketing heads who would LOVE for their product to be seen on a commercial break during Game of Thrones but don't want youtubers to say "gun," if they run ads on their videos. Go figure.
@@BrianCroweAcolyte I've got to agree. With Reddit, popular subs at least had a reason not to be banned, ad revenue. Federation doesn't even have that. Seems like all the down sides to reddit, without even it's positives.
@@vrilcel I have fond memories of forums myself. However, that was a different time. They still had the same power hungry mods, but bans were easier to get around. People also got less offended back then. No one cared if gamer words started flying. A thread would get locked at worst. I will say, if you were banned on one forum, you weren't banned on all forums, like a reddit ban.
Who needs to add "reddit" to their search? Before the blackout I couldn't look up anything without reddit showing up somewhere on the first page of the results. Search engines have been leaning hard on reddit for results, and this blackout is just making that fact stand out even more.
@SvperMario Yep, shame on mods that aren't the exception. However, the way to largely stop this? Is by having the community itself QUIT POSTING and only post blackouts...or John Oliver.
Any ways of attaining knowledge and finding answers in a future-proof manner? I feel like we're reaching the darkest days of the Internet now, and everything is attempted to be centralised by big tech. Any ways?? Thank you!
I hate the perspective page on Google. I found looking for the particular answer or resource is so hard because the text and photos are small and all over the place. Idk who’s idea was to make it like Pinterest.
Alternative way to look at it: "Google has gotten lazy with maintaining their search algorithm and would rather spend all money and effort at manipulating public discourse, that a reddit blackout revealed how nigh worthless they really are"
Most big companies are lazy like this because spending money not used to ‘lobby’ the government is such a problem to them. They are ironically like Reddit mods seeking to keep power.
You obviously havenlt been pating attention, Google has been deliberatly destroying their won products for the beter part of a decade not to keep goyim from knowing simple as
@@hanelyp1That's probably better for the site as a whole because, in my experience at least, the people who are complaining the most about Reddit are the toxic people you wouldn't want on the site to begin with.
@@UCXEO5L8xnaMJhtUsuNXhlmQ It's pretty clear that the kind of people you wouldn't want having a disproportionate voice do have one on reddit because those are the people who select into being mods and posting a ton. But for someone who's not a mere conformist, the environment of if you dare even have the wrong tone you'll be banned is stultifying enough to discourage use. Most of the traffic is for pretty inane consumerist things anyway though
I don't know about that. Ive been using reddit 3rd party apps since 2012, and when the news came out about reddit api stuff 2weeks ago, i just stopped using reddit. I was addicted but it wasn't that hard to stop.
Well, this happens when you put all eggs in one basket. 10 or more years ago you would get answers from multiple independent forums🤷♂️. Now for some reason everything is spinning around a couple of proprietary services.
I think it's also worth mentioning the most absolute basic search features that a surprisingly large amount of even tech-savy people don't consider. For example putting quote marks around important words or phrases can get you a very long way, as does excluding words or phrases from the search with a minus sign before them.
It drives me insane that duckduckgo doesn't recognize these basic functions. You put a minus sign in front of a word and it just shrugs and adds that word to your search, giving you even more of what you're trying to get rid of.
2:10 Actually, i noticed that a while ago, but when i google recipes in russian it always finds actual recipes with same 3-4 cooking sites on top, but when i'm trying to look up something in english, i almost always have to sift through those same borderline ai generated filler "articles" that you often get when you are trying to do any tech troubleshooting or something. Interesting.
I only started adding adding "reddit" to my search queries recently, after I think I saw a channel like this saying you could. Until then I usually just used search terms and got answers from stuff like stack overflow or wikis, but for more obscure stuff it would just give me reddit links anyway. Now with the reddit collapse, it's basically impossible for me to find solutions to anything relating to linux or kde since both those subs are still private.
Searches would have improved long ago if Google allowed us to black list sites. There's a lot that when I make a search they're always there and they make me give up on the search because I know they're full of trash and google won't provide me something better. Then I just go back to asking a friend or a random group on discord. I swear this feels like going back to times without internet and as someone who works with tech, I think google's performance has been pathetic.
Google is also a commercial entity and Google charges a premium price for listing websites on the top. They sell "key words" and say you bought "How to commit suicide", then you get an ad from Befrienders, an Anti-Suciide group. This is because Befrienders pays Google to rank their search on the top.
That moment when the guys who own all your work can delete your life’s internet points in one moment. Wait a minute, that sounds kind of like the government with our money.
The goverment has no control over physical money. When Yugolavias currency became worthless several countrys made the german mark their unofficial currency. The german mark was so much tied to the economy Montenegro and Kosovo were allowed to switch to Euro alongside Germany.
"Wow, this attempt to keep information out is hurting our bottom line! I guess we will just steal it and scrub it's authorship through an AI now!" I don't even know who I'm rooting for in this situation. Anything to shit on AI trainers and Big Tech is good though.
7:43 this is not how you search the fediverse, and most niche topics that reddit was useful for will likely be in smaller instances. it's probably(?) best to just search with the keyword lemmy, but honestly, the fediverse is hard to search, kind of by design, there is no easy way to search across all instances, and people on the fediverse don't seem to want there to be one either
Quora (referred to in many comments) has gone downhill like so much else on the Internet. Combining questions, moving answers to new combined questions, and interspersing irrelevant ads and other references has destroyed the old, simple interface. Also, comments on answers are often helpful, but no search engines seem to index them, and few Quora readers check them out. Quora's new algorithmic pressure to increase post counts also brings more useless, short garbage answers. Huge numbers of really dumb questions to answer are also a turn-off to people who formerly got interesting questions to answer. It used to be a literate place where people appreciated good writing. The bad writing now turns off many contributors. I haven't given up (I'm Tony Wilkinson on Quora), but it is no longer a fun, interesting secret place to hide your thoughts and writing.
I feel like this point is dumb as fuck. How on earth would a article that gives one view point EVER be on par with a threaded multiple perspective weighted response platform.
I really dislike how search engine these days filter out the deep web and the dark web for information which is like more than 95% of the internet today. Sites like Lemmy and a Web Browser that would scrape information from nearly every website would be genuinely helpful as it would just be very annoying for having to make more than 4 steps to find something about a niche thing, having to deal with several attempts of querys just to search the source of an obscure image or getting less exact results for a post you're looking for while the platform itself is a lot quicker with your demand. Google and Reddit together have been reliable for years to a point of literally making the experience worse for other sites. But as the cracks started to show, internet has a chance of becoming silent in a way that the essentials are still accessible but niche things couldn't be found and it's up for any competing platform and web browser to save it from such a stale state.
Reddit was the hero that we needed, but not the one we deserved. I swear this website was getting talked bad about and had a terrible reputation, but even a few years ago it was the only place I knew of where you can anonymously go and ask a bunch of strangers from all walks of life whatever the heck you wanted. At your discretion. And get many, varied, interesting responses! Now it's back to the generic, half-assed, cold, unfeeling, probably fake listicles unless some other platform steps in. Or we just go back to internet forums like the good-ol' days.
UuuuuuuuurrrrAAAAAARRRRRGGGGFHHHHH! ‘Pinterest’ is such a black hole of image sources and is one of *the* worst browsing experiences I’ve ever had unless you lay back and let the sludge pipe wash over you. That seems to be the goal of all sites now. YT shorts really doesn’t want you to search, playlist, find the user or comment on shorts (or at least it makes it less interactive). Seems like all sites are just becoming ad distribution platforms in disguise or TV.
Reddit ends up answering at least 80% of the questions that I ask Google. Sure, the "read in app" pop up is annoying, but it's still better than having to go to quora. Every time I resort to clicking on quora, I suddenly get inundated with many more emails from them.
There's already enough crap on Google to sort through. When I try to search something real quick I have to agree 5 times, reload a page multiple times when I'm not logged in
Google should straight up buy Reddit at this point. It would certainly improve their search engine if that content was a core part of their search engine.
The antitrust morons wouldn't allow Google to buy Reddit. They would rather the world suffer than allow Google to spend half a billion dollars to buy reddit and make it easier to use. Also, Google would ruin reddit and then discontinue it. Don't forget Google Plus.
@@cat-le1hf and he would be losing power over reddit by selling it, he can't handle the thought of not being able to edit comments that shit on him because google's PR team said "No"
I find myself looking to reddit for information more and more because Google nearly always got to push some very corporate or "journalist" styled layout for everything . It helps next to nobody
A decade ago, Google used to have a really solid way to determine search result relevance to search queries involving groups of people(hired as independent contractors) rating sites. I can't give much detail on how it worked because it was all proprietary information. These days, search result quality has really dropped off a cliff, probably because an algorithm just sorts things based on loose guidelines. That's probably why you get a 500-page dissertation instead of an answer to your question, simply because it mentions relevant terms(same effect as keyword stuffing) way more often than a one-off recipe listing.
Independent contractors ? Wasn't that just PageRank ? I remember those results being borderline black magic, and this isn't nostalgia. Pre-2016 Google Search was really something.
I've been using the generative ai feature for 2 weeks (it's in Labs) It's better than Google search but worse than GPT-4. Especially when asking it specific info Google should have like "Are there any Google Assistant Smart Displays with OLED screens" Google shows nothing, Bard and Generative search just lie and show you IPS displays and calls them OLED, and GPT-4 gives you a firm "no".
"How to optimize my search engine reddit"
Reddit actually tried to make an effort to optimize their own search engine. It’s still crap, but slightly less than a year ago.
jokes on them, their search engine never gives you what you are actually searching for. only ads or sh*t scam sites that impersonate opensource apps.
Thx
Brave search
Pls help! I’m tryna make it out the hood so on my UA-cam channel i do food reviews while I’m high cuh
It's nice being able to type in "reddit" after a question and actually see human beings discussing solutions to that problem instead of an incredibly bias article that has to tell me their life story and repeating shit after each paragraph for some reason before getting the answer or shilled on. Typically you'll find two different articles for the same question giving you two completely different answers.
yeah, but people's opinion's are also biased...
even yours and mine
@@cyrustakem7993 People's opinions are biased often for good empirical reasons. Internet journalist's opinions are biased because they're lazy and corrupt. It's not the same thing. If I want to learn how hammer a nail I'd rather ask someone who's hammered a nail before, even if they're wrong it's a million times better than someone's who's job it is to actively be a detriment to society.
@@cyrustakem7993 Yes but they're not promoted by clicks, that's the whole issue of these dumb articles that try to make a living out of "Best chicken recipe (no dry chicken!)" articles
Well, i wouldnt exactly call them human beings...
(But yes i agree)
Don't forget these articles being 80% covered in obnoxious ads (if you're somehow not using an adblocker yet), pop-ups telling you to give your ancestry's entire storyline or go through a pain-stakingly long process of manually disabling all the tracking stuff individually, then more pop-ups about subscribing your email so they can sell it to spammers and possibly "nigerian princes" and no actual useful information in the article itself anyway
Oh no! Between GPT and Reddit, Google might have to resort to returning relevant results again
But the whole point of (((big tech))) is to HIDE the relevant results and only give you one version of everything, forever. The approved narrative on everything from videogames to lasagna recipes. Because if you get your lasagna recipes from a White woman you're doing a racism.
Bing Chat has Google crying
@@EVEMASTER99Idk man. I asked Bing Chat to give me links to people praising Sword of Truth for its anti communism, and all I got were links to why it's fascist.
@@TechnoMinarchist you literally just said the same thing twice???
@@EVEMASTER99bing chat is trash
The truth is we need a real search engine or web crawler like in the old days. You could use logic operators and get the results to your question without corporate sponsorship and censorship of results. Using Google these days is just asking Big Brother for permission to see information.
You can't even exclude and force with - and + anymore.
@@JodyBruchon I remember using that to filter out a bunch of junk.
This, if I want an answer to a question I:
-Don't want a sponsored ad/link
-Don't want a dumb website like Quora
-Don't want a website selling a product to somehow be recommended
-Don't want to waste anymore time
@@markm0000 And sometimes it works but they arbitrarily ignore operators rather than admit they don't have results.
The biggest issue is funding. Web development and server time is expensive. This would have to be a subscription based function, but unfortunately there just isn't enough market (yet?) to make it viable.
Google's search has been getting worse for a while, you used to be able to get straight search reults but now I believe Google ads are a part of the SEO.
This is just a continuation of the decline.
In my experience it has been getting better. It was at its worse about a year and a half ago
This is the heart of the matter. Google results aren't about the best result anymore. They're about who plays the SEO game. Like sometimes you search for drivers for your printer, you MAY end up with the first 100 results being irrelevant sales and FAQ pages from the manufacturer, if they play the SEO game, so they flood your results with what they want you to see not what you want to see.
*If many people type the same google search results all their search results won't be exact same results.* Abc/google manipulation they own search results to hide certain truths they the big tech don't want you to know.
Which is why myself prefer: search results: brave browser.
@@TheThreatenedSwan Yeah sure, Google trying to ram Google Lens down your throat instead of reverse image search, the top five links in a search result being sponsored ads and video search results pointing to TikTok, which redirects you to the app store, have really enhanced my search experience. Also the ability to view source images without going to the original website is no longer there (they lost a lawsuit with Pinterest).
Sorry but Google peaked about 8-10 years ago, when the algorithm was both optimized and they hadn't figured out how to squeeze every last penny out of your queries.
Internet is just goyslop at this point
Reading a bunch of people discussing about a topic is way more efficient than reading whole article someone write which contain 10% of actual information and 90% of bullshit
I wonder how many people discussing any given topic on any reddit or forum are bots now.
Its good because its people quickly talking about their real experiences than articles which might be just verbose and give you an unclear answer like you say
Because when you want to cook lasagna you really mean that you want 40 different ppl with 40 ideas of what lasagna is and the argument about that and is it cultural appropriation that's what you really want.
@@tmsphereless that and more like stuff like the ssd or nvidia sub where they discuss which gpu’s or ssds to get, it can get pretty technical and there’s usually quite alot of disagreement
Because the 'article' is usually just some random bullshit someone cooked up in a content farm. Even if not, it's usually already 'optimised' for max SEO and this shows in the term bombing. It really gets harder and harder to find good stuff on the open net anymore.
The problem is that over time it is getting more difficult to find things written by real people (In the deluge of fake generated pages...is that recipe site real? Is that woman a real person? Is the essay AI-generated? There are literally thousands of sites like that which are all nearly identical.). Using the site tag was just a hack to get around that. All the big companies seem to want to hurt the situation rather than helping by introducing their own generated garbage. Great.
Dead internet theory, if you're unfamiliar with the concept.
As far as Recipe's and other useful references are concerned, I'm now imagining TechBro's in Silicon Valley all turning their heads to the sound of rustling paper as billions of old school books march upon and lay siege to their enclave XD
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 I do think the concept is sensationalized, to a degree, but there's definitely truth to it in the more mundane sense of worthless 'reviews', top tens, and news aggregations that flood search results.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 Enshittification, as well.
@@Bustermachineyea , a lot of the news stuff is just paraphrasing each other, what is even is that if just one of them is wrong a bunch of the other ones end up being wrong because they don't even bother fact checking before posting it on their own website. Just care about getting their page on the search engine to get views and ad revenue.
With Reddit going down the drain and more communities moving to Discord, it’s been harder than ever finding information
Most subreddits are absolute garbage, though.
Redeeming quality of reddit are those niche little hobby subs with like 15k followers.
Once any subreddit reaches over 100k, let alone a million, it just becomes this endless spam of vapid memes.
Agreed. I've just been using chat gpt personally.
@@belstar1128Discord mumble mumble gaming. It's one of the only free services with "free" voice and video chat now that services like Zoom really limit free users. But that's only if you use it socially. If you only use it for chat or business, and you don't need video sharing, Discord is mediocre at best.
Lol
@@belstar1128 Discord is basically IRC for zoomers. Chat servers with assigned roles for users and heavy reliance on bots for automating functions of the server. But with a GUI instead of console commands, and a voice chat.
Better to read through posts on reddit than to look at sponsored results on dedicated shill sites. Less shill-y results, usually.
Google killed their "discussions" search feature dead a long time ago and helped prevent a diversity of internet forums from growing. And normies are not going to look through the few 4chan archival sites that are still operating, even if looking for useful information and discussion in most boards was easy.
Why would I want to use 4 Chan, why should I have to? Isn’t the entire point of a search engine supposed to be that it helps get the results I asked for without needing to dig through all the old archives myself?
Shouldn’t a search engine be able to you know, search and not give useless results.
This was meant to illustrate why the site is used so much in queries and not the few other alternatives that are even big enough to be useful for multiple subjects.
Why would anyone ever use 4chan for a source of information? You'd have to be a bat shit qanon nut to.. oh wait >.>...
Like the whole platform is about bein anon as possible and doin it for the L0Lz.
i remember google being way more straightforward regarding search results around 5-10 years ago, now its flooded with affiliate sites and sponsered shit
This reddit blackout taught me something valuable: Bing doesn't hide it's cached results, you just click the dots beside the search and go. Google used to do that, now you have to dig through a separate menu and half the time it doesn't offer it's cache there either, you've got to perform a dark ritual to squeeze that cache out of them.
Bing isn't bad from my experience, but it isn't as precise as Yandex though.
just search cache: it will open cache if its available
To be fair though, Google only caches when someone actually visits the page. Though will agree they do hide it for some strange reason on some sites.
@@elcidleon6500 Yes, I've been loving Yandex, I could care less if it's Russian, it's been giving me results like the good ole days of searching.
@@neoasura It lets you search all the 9/11 UA-cam videos that jewish-american search engines won't let you find 😂😂
We need to go back to forums, which are far superior to reddit. (I remember when I used the candlepower forums to find info on flashlights. It was much better organized and easier to search through.) It would be pretty nifty if someone built a new forum software that operated on the federated concept, allowing a resurgence of the superior internet tool.
I've been using some for niche topics lately, they are great, just less active
@@DoubleOhSilvercan you offer some examples? Also, I think is not about having a new forum software, the problem is big corpos eating away the minority
I used to use bluelight and erowid until google blacklisted them from searches and they kinda died off as even on bing they are hard to find now
I've found myself hanging around on the Neoseeker Forums again.
SOMEONE MAKE THIS A WEBSITE. ILL PAY FOR A MONTHLY SUBSCRIPTION IDC. FUCK GOOGLE
I pray that those gaming communities don't move to discord, I hate it when game information is locked behind some discord moderator's playground.
From what i hear discord is just as censorious and gate keepy as redit mods.
@@guillermoelnino Well, some asshole subreddit mods that go on an ego-power trip.
Discord is pretty open, but it's not a good platform. 100% find somewhere else to migrate to, they've already started burning themselves to the ground.
@@guillermoelninoI'm sure you've seen the memes about the mods on both of these platforms, they're basically the same breed of basement dwelling neckbeards.
Forums... just move to fuckin forums. They work. They're better. Leave the old info viewable.
Reddit is just a Yahoo answers at this point. I hope old school internet forums make a return.
I'm still pissed that the real Yahoo Answers shut down and didn't even bother to archive the questions.
@@KoopaKid660 agree with you on the archive part. iirc Yahoo answers was a mess due to trolling and shit posting on the site though I don't know how moderation team was used to admin the site and sites like reddit at the time had subreddit called askreddit if I remember correctly and it was well moderated at the time and reddit was slowly become popular too. Now reddit is suffering a simular fate Yahoo answers had near it's end.
I could be absolutely wrong, but from what I'm seeing one of the most alive type of forums are car forums, wish many games ditch subredits and move to their own forums.
@@aaronbryan5095 I would love game forums to come back. It seems old school games are still active like, Quake, DOOM, any N64 game, etc.
@@aaronbryan5095 I wrote another comment covering other forums and I wrote it twice and it's not showing wtf UA-cam.
I think a big part of this issue is the fact that reddit's own search function is absolutely useless, literally one of the worst I've ever tried to use. If reddit's own search was actually decent, I would likely use it instead of google to find the content on reddit I'm looking for.
2:30 that’s not even the worst, the worst results are hundreds of websites that are using AI to copy paste from the same poorly written article with some bizarre modifications.
me when im looking up computer problems 🥴
for the past like half a year I've started seeing more and more really bad articles that are IDENTICAL to other articles. so if I search something more specific, the first 2-4 articles have the exact same paragraphs with just different photos.
It's some sort of terrible regression, where we are forced to scour niche webpages and fora for information again
Too bad most of the good obscure websites closed. because they stopped getting views since they didn't show up on Google. We will need to rebuild the internet.
@@belstar1128we need to create an entirely new internet at this point
I say we bring back erowid or bluelight
The terrible price of your freedom.
@@tmsphereit's imho a more than easy price to pay.
gotta love tech companies throwing each other under the bus. absolute comedy
Healthy free market competition.
Its about time
capitalism
SWEj SWEJ-ING SWEJS
@@andreamitchell4758 well said my friend
NOT THE HECKING BIG TECHERINO
THE SEARCHERINO
nawww :0
Heckin goyslop search machinero
YOU WILL CONSUME THE PRODUCTS AND WATCH THE ADS
@@felisenthusiast no i refuse >:(
WE DID IT REDDIT
here hold this gold kind stranger *tips🎩*
Would be fun if communities were move back to self hosted forums.
That's expensive
Also, they're literally here discussing this on a Google hosted forum.
maybe if Google did it's actual job and served you relevant results from different forums and sources rather than be a glorified link aggregator for big tech and other garbage journals they wouldn't be in this situation.
The reason for the lasagne essays is a cynical (yet effective) attempt to get more search traffic to the site. The whole internet is massively polluted with content that is high quality enough to reasonably be served by Google, but not high quality enough that it's a good use of your time to read it. So called "AI" (actually just random text generation) is only making this worse at such technology excels at creating this minimal quality content.
Ive read its for copyright issue. Recipe's can't be copyrighted, but big essays can.
@@alexdrockhound9497 Interesting idea, but I'm pretty sure the essay thing is SEO 101. Writing a copyrighted essay doesn't stop someone copying just the recipe part, so I don't see how that helps anything.
Reddit couldn't have picked a worse time to make themselves obsolete than the dawn of AI driven search engines
ehhh... not really. Since most LLM training conversations and information come from Reddit, restricting their API forces companies to pay post 2023. If they don't, we'll have the chatGPT situation where information is limited to a particular epoch.
AI search engines suck. Search engines were better 10 years ago
Google, what are the speaker wiring colors for a 2017 Hyundai h1 van?
Can you ask me nicely?
Please Google.....
I suppose i can try..... even though you were very rude to me..... and when you did ask nicely, it seemed disingenuous..... i don't think you actually care about me at all..... you're just trying to use me.....
I do care about you Google
Now that you want something, sure.....
No I really do.....
I'm too annoyed with you to do it now..... come back in a few hours and I'll see if i want to then.....
I'll just go use Bing instead. Screw it
FINE!!! LEAVE ME THEN!!! I NEVER CARED FOR YOU ANYWAY!!!
@@DoubleOhSilverit's more because every shit website that wants your money has SEO now
I'm wondering if we won't end up in a situation like when we tried to feed cow bonemeal to cows and got mad cows disease. If we keep feeding AI with "itself" it'll sooner or later start hallucinating, won't it?
The reason we add reddit at the end of most queries is because the first result is always some useless article with either too much text, or a product placement.
It was really good. I wanted to check if humble choice was worth it.
"Is humble choice worth it Reddit" is so much more helpful because it gives real people's experiences within a few sentences as opposed to some vague shit article on the internet
imaging hinging your trillion dollar company on some neckbeard hall monitors that do it for free
Our own Alexandria, and the guys in charge carry around múltiple fire sources
to be fair, if some good information site dying makes search results worse that's not really googles fault. they're just a search engine
Time to move to 4chan
It's not like Reddit is the only site I want to use, it's just that if I don't add "reddit" to my query, I get flooded with a bunch of useless aggregator sites that all say the exact same thing, and god forbid I'm searching for something to buy, all of the results will be shill sites.
Yea I remember reseaching a author and I kid you not. I stumbled upon a site that dragged on and made you click through a slide show full of ads. I had to relay upon a book because I was tired of click bait.
it will be replaced by youtube comments
Google search operators are not as useful as they once were. Remember when quotation marks worked?
bro dont even mention it i hate that shit so much
Quotes don't work wtf
@@Guitar-Dog THANKS SWEJ!
Remember when searching wasn't frustrating?
Oh yeah, I thought that exact sake thing, they literally do nothing now
Thanks Wayback Machine.
If Spez was smart enough he would've pitched selling Reddit to Google. With how important it appears the site is to the SEO, Google probably would've bought it before all the drama.
Spez is power hungry. He would never sell what is basically the equivalent of the ministry of truth from 1984 that he can censor and change to his whims.
He will when the IPO fails
@@ninakore @ninakore Pain: You mean _if_ it fails.
Panic: _if_ , _if_ is good.
If Reddit dies out I'll some pretty mixed feelings, because on one hand if something like Lemmy takes its place then I feel the internet will be healthier overall but on the other hand reddit dying would be the modern equivalent of the library of Alexandria going up in flames.
This really shows the importance of archives like the wayback machine
Google seems to get worse by the day - and you're totally right about the recipes on google searches, they're utterly annoying
The main reason food recipes and even book recipies have a story is to avoid being copyrighted because for some reason you can copyright a food recipe
Pro tip for anybody unfamiliar, if you found a reddit search result that ended up with a private subreddit, click the arrow/three dots next to the URL on the google search result you wanna view, and click cached image, it'll give you a snapshot taken by google before the sub went private and you'll still be able to view the question/answers.
Or you can just add "cache:" before the url
@@voidmaker2039 Didn't know that actually, thanks for the tip bro
Thanks bro
People don't even want to think anymore. The want ai to just give them an answer. Very shallow. We're doomed.
natural selection still applies
Do they?
So far it's looking like AI is being thrusted into every possible search medium whether people are asking for it or not.
Heck, it's even on MDN docs now all of a sudden.
AI don't think neither, they just scrape existing ideas and mush them together. If you want to scapegoat something, blame the marketing.
@@scrittle fair enough. I guess I mean in the sense that when you look something up you'd have a better chance of running into opposed opinions when you have to search through multiple pages to find your answer vs. an ai bot just providing you with only the most popular answer.
In my experience I usually end up exploring new topics in my search for an answer because you run into more information when you have to read through multiple sources, like branching off the original question
Kind of ironic statement.
I think the main thing this shows is centralizing everything on any website was a mistake
It's been rough but I'm glad people are standing up against the elite
No one is standing against anything. Reddit was just a free service people were using. No one was paying to use Reddit. I do not pay to come to UA-cam. I come here to pass time. And if UA-cam closes down today I will pass time another way. You really think something is happening? I occasionally went to Reddit if a search result took me there. But I could see it was a mess everyttime I dropped in and never actually went to Reddit independent of a search.
@@answerman9933 ok
@@answerman9933 If you think anything is really free you are dense. Especially commenting on this channel, kinda ironic.
if you're being given something for free, you are the product
@@answerman9933 This whole blackout is due to people having to pay to use the Reddit API. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Was not expecting Noita to be mentioned. The gods are pleased
The world is truly a small place when you're surrounded by like minded people
with admins that actively block information from their player base, its no wonder why the game isn't mentioned often.
@@rumfordc really?
@@Sypitz yea
I don't think Lemmy has legs to support any kind of large userbase tbh. Power hungry moderators are already a giant meme with how pervasive they are, imagine if a discord/reddit moderator could randomly choose to defederate from other discords/subreddits, essentially making your account worthless on large swaths of the site. I don't think Lemmy is it unless you're going to be focusing on the most inane shit ever like boilerplate programming tutorials and cat pictures.
The thing is, you mention how it would make your account worthless but I fail to see how your account would even have any worth in the first place?
@@Kiddio The value is in the prominence your account builds overtime. If someone on Reddit gives you advice, you can look at their post history and see 1. they have an old account, 2. you can see they frequently have highly upvoted posts/comments on the topic they're giving you advice on. Lemmy is one step above getting advice from an anonymous 4chan user lol
this has needed to happen for some time now after the ridiculous mod practices and bannings on the site. A site that hates it's users cannot stand.
its* go back to school
@@ieatthighssays the person acting like a child, maybe you should join them in school too
@@ieatthighswho cares
@@repents1nners773 i love triggering people with correct use of their own language
@@ieatthighs shut up you arrogant 12 year old.
Reddit is probably the only website which facilitates bunch of very specific communities where many people can post on a page, instead of a single person like with most of the social media.
The cult like mindset and toxic positivity make it mostly useless. Even in tech subs, it's just thousands of inane posts
It's not the only one
I miss individual forums
@@fennecfoxfanaticme too, man. we need to reintroduce the concept of forums honestly.
Redditors have such a rigid, trendy way of speaking, enough to make it feel like much of the material on that site is written by a single person.
i'm guilty of using reddit as a keyword. had some surgery done a while ago and wanted to know what i should expect but google just gave me a bunch of useless studies and articles, so i tacked "reddit" onto the end and found some helpful posts.
I almost always add reddit at the back due to how useless Google is
I use it to check product reviews. Chances are they're not sponsored because its just average people on Reddit
It's great for substance information, tech information, coding help, things of all nature. 9/10 I add reddit onto the end. Especially when searching for code related / tech related things. I can't be bothered to search through Google's results.
I hate how reddit changed their UI from the old to the new and forced it on everyone but now they made a new one again (shown in this video) and it looks better but they are NOT GIVING IT TO ME WHAT THE
I have reddit articles from years ago that still get comments because it's the only place on the web for that information, and it's been the first result for the subject. It's sad for this information to be blocked
Reddit's biggest problem is banning and censorship. Sounds like it's going to be even worse with Lemmy. We need a forum where the only blocking comes from one user blocking another user or one user blocking content they don't want to see for themselves.
Yeah I don't see how lemmy is going to be any better than Reddit. It looks like they banned thedonald a million times quicker than reddit did, with much less outrage. If you start a lemmy instance that allows the same level of free speech that reddit does, I'd imagine almost no one is going to federate with you. If no one federates with you, everyone has to make a lemmy account just for your instance..... At that point you might as well have just started your own forum.
Imagine if a reddit/discord moderator could randomly decide to make your account not work on vast swaths of the website lmao. Federation is a giant meme.
@@BrianCroweAcolyteWe need to bring back forums dedicated to niche topics. Reddit centralized everything which unsurprisingly resulted in the internet becoming lower quality as the same powermod losers have control over any sub that gains traction.
advertisers don't want that, and websites want to be profitable. So that means paying for membership or porn ads. The internet is ruled by marketing heads who would LOVE for their product to be seen on a commercial break during Game of Thrones but don't want youtubers to say "gun," if they run ads on their videos. Go figure.
@@BrianCroweAcolyte I've got to agree. With Reddit, popular subs at least had a reason not to be banned, ad revenue. Federation doesn't even have that. Seems like all the down sides to reddit, without even it's positives.
@@vrilcel I have fond memories of forums myself. However, that was a different time. They still had the same power hungry mods, but bans were easier to get around. People also got less offended back then. No one cared if gamer words started flying. A thread would get locked at worst. I will say, if you were banned on one forum, you weren't banned on all forums, like a reddit ban.
Who needs to add "reddit" to their search? Before the blackout I couldn't look up anything without reddit showing up somewhere on the first page of the results. Search engines have been leaning hard on reddit for results, and this blackout is just making that fact stand out even more.
Having reddit pop up is preferable to having "journalism" sites.
Good to hear there is enough black out that it impacted other websites. Shame some larger subreddits have opened up from the pressure.
Sometimes they didn't have a choice; the existing moderators were just removed and replaced with people who opened them
@SvperMario Yep, shame on mods that aren't the exception. However, the way to largely stop this? Is by having the community itself QUIT POSTING and only post blackouts...or John Oliver.
@@DW-nf9qeThen users just move to a new subreddit. A lot of people don't use the api or are perfectly fine with desktop mode/stock ap.
I add Reddit to searches to get away from AI-generated content, and now they want to generate even more
I am so tired of modern day search engines and how gamed they are. It wasn't like this 5-10 years ago. You would just get your answer.
Dude, I feel you on those recipe websites. Those are the worst offenders.
Any ways of attaining knowledge and finding answers in a future-proof manner?
I feel like we're reaching the darkest days of the Internet now, and everything is attempted to be centralised by big tech.
Any ways??
Thank you!
no
Centralised and censored, indeed the dark times of the internet where the only thing you are free to do is visit and update your social media page
Save the sites and information on your PC while it is still available
I hate the perspective page on Google. I found looking for the particular answer or resource is so hard because the text and photos are small and all over the place. Idk who’s idea was to make it like Pinterest.
Alternative way to look at it: "Google has gotten lazy with maintaining their search algorithm and would rather spend all money and effort at manipulating public discourse, that a reddit blackout revealed how nigh worthless they really are"
Most big companies are lazy like this because spending money not used to ‘lobby’ the government is such a problem to them. They are ironically like Reddit mods seeking to keep power.
You obviously havenlt been pating attention, Google has been deliberatly destroying their won products for the beter part of a decade not to keep goyim from knowing
simple as
It frankly seems delusional to think reddit will not bounce back given how acquiescent all the users were to the environment before
Inertia. It takes a lot to drive out settled users. But once they find a new place they're most likely to settle there and not come back.
Swans need HUGS
@@hanelyp1That's probably better for the site as a whole because, in my experience at least, the people who are complaining the most about Reddit are the toxic people you wouldn't want on the site to begin with.
@@UCXEO5L8xnaMJhtUsuNXhlmQ It's pretty clear that the kind of people you wouldn't want having a disproportionate voice do have one on reddit because those are the people who select into being mods and posting a ton. But for someone who's not a mere conformist, the environment of if you dare even have the wrong tone you'll be banned is stultifying enough to discourage use. Most of the traffic is for pretty inane consumerist things anyway though
I don't know about that. Ive been using reddit 3rd party apps since 2012, and when the news came out about reddit api stuff 2weeks ago, i just stopped using reddit. I was addicted but it wasn't that hard to stop.
Well, this happens when you put all eggs in one basket. 10 or more years ago you would get answers from multiple independent forums🤷♂️. Now for some reason everything is spinning around a couple of proprietary services.
love that i learned this trick literally right as the blackout started
I think it's also worth mentioning the most absolute basic search features that a surprisingly large amount of even tech-savy people don't consider. For example putting quote marks around important words or phrases can get you a very long way, as does excluding words or phrases from the search with a minus sign before them.
It drives me insane that duckduckgo doesn't recognize these basic functions. You put a minus sign in front of a word and it just shrugs and adds that word to your search, giving you even more of what you're trying to get rid of.
I've been doing this for years but it's noticeably less effective...
These days Google takes those as mere suggestions, many times it will just ignore them
In my experience google ignores quotes after the first few results, same for minus. operators haven't been absolute in years.
@@pacifico4999 but it works just fine, don't see why it wouldn't work
A fellow Noita player I see. Great taste in gaming.
Pretty based game🧙🧙🧙
Reddit was always a key source of info for me, especially for niche topics
Aaron Schwartz would be rolling in his grave over what Reddit is doing
Wait a sec... In Latin American Internet, we experience that fallout with Taringa, and that was SO HURTFUL. I've seen that phenomenon.
3:25 Utah doesn't really exist. Looks like Google's AI is already off to a bad start.
2:10
Actually, i noticed that a while ago, but when i google recipes in russian it always finds actual recipes with same 3-4 cooking sites on top, but when i'm trying to look up something in english, i almost always have to sift through those same borderline ai generated filler "articles" that you often get when you are trying to do any tech troubleshooting or something. Interesting.
Who doesn't enjoy cooking lore when you are in the kitchen already stressed
>admins force mods to leave
>They put in paid mods to overlook the site
>It goes back to normal.
Wow. Amazing.
During the first day of the blackout, all the questions I asked expecting Reddit came up as Quora.
I only started adding adding "reddit" to my search queries recently, after I think I saw a channel like this saying you could.
Until then I usually just used search terms and got answers from stuff like stack overflow or wikis, but for more obscure stuff it would just give me reddit links anyway. Now with the reddit collapse, it's basically impossible for me to find solutions to anything relating to linux or kde since both those subs are still private.
why did they remove the cache button?! It's ridiculous that I have to go through so many more steps now
Reddit corporate does not own the content on their site. Copyright and DMCA still applies as with any post on social media.
Imagine search engines returning a list of 300 magazine articles that are not related at all with what you searched, being copy pastes of eachother.
Searches would have improved long ago if Google allowed us to black list sites. There's a lot that when I make a search they're always there and they make me give up on the search because I know they're full of trash and google won't provide me something better. Then I just go back to asking a friend or a random group on discord. I swear this feels like going back to times without internet and as someone who works with tech, I think google's performance has been pathetic.
I've heard that some of the recipe article bloat is caused by fear of copyright claims.
I hope reddit will collapse.
Please no. We don't need their cancer to infest the rest of the internet. It's already bad enough as is
the problem is that it will likely be replaced by worse lemmy communities
If reddit collapses, the annoying reddit mouthbreathers will flood everywhere like when tumblr collapsed.
Google is also a commercial entity and Google charges a premium price for listing websites on the top. They sell "key words" and say you bought "How to commit suicide", then you get an ad from Befrienders, an Anti-Suciide group. This is because Befrienders pays Google to rank their search on the top.
For the cooking part. I noticed english websites often present them like essays but i didnt or rarely saw that on german or french websites.
That moment when the guys who own all your work can delete your life’s internet points in one moment. Wait a minute, that sounds kind of like the government with our money.
Pikachu needs HUGS
The goverment has no control over physical money. When Yugolavias currency became worthless several countrys made the german mark their unofficial currency. The german mark was so much tied to the economy Montenegro and Kosovo were allowed to switch to Euro alongside Germany.
Waiting for someone to make an extension for removing reddit from search results
"Wow, this attempt to keep information out is hurting our bottom line! I guess we will just steal it and scrub it's authorship through an AI now!"
I don't even know who I'm rooting for in this situation. Anything to shit on AI trainers and Big Tech is good though.
Ironically, the entire situation with Reddit right now is because Reddit wanted AI developers to pay them for using reddit as a data source.
7:43 this is not how you search the fediverse, and most niche topics that reddit was useful for will likely be in smaller instances. it's probably(?) best to just search with the keyword lemmy, but honestly, the fediverse is hard to search, kind of by design, there is no easy way to search across all instances, and people on the fediverse don't seem to want there to be one either
Quora (referred to in many comments) has gone downhill like so much else on the Internet. Combining questions, moving answers to new combined questions, and interspersing irrelevant ads and other references has destroyed the old, simple interface. Also, comments on answers are often helpful, but no search engines seem to index them, and few Quora readers check them out. Quora's new algorithmic pressure to increase post counts also brings more useless, short garbage answers. Huge numbers of really dumb questions to answer are also a turn-off to people who formerly got interesting questions to answer. It used to be a literate place where people appreciated good writing. The bad writing now turns off many contributors. I haven't given up (I'm Tony Wilkinson on Quora), but it is no longer a fun, interesting secret place to hide your thoughts and writing.
Sad to hear even Quora is going down the drain, used to use it to look for answers on slightly unusual topics.
Weird. Almost as if Google search became utterly useless over the last years...
The reddit blackout can only have made googles search results worse because they already were so bad that they basically only showed reddit.
they also show Pinterest results, but fair point, the only decent results come from Reddit.
I feel like this point is dumb as fuck. How on earth would a article that gives one view point EVER be on par with a threaded multiple perspective weighted response platform.
I will take a minute to appreciate that sock post because darn toughs are a life changer
I really dislike how search engine these days filter out the deep web and the dark web for information which is like more than 95% of the internet today. Sites like Lemmy and a Web Browser that would scrape information from nearly every website would be genuinely helpful as it would just be very annoying for having to make more than 4 steps to find something about a niche thing, having to deal with several attempts of querys just to search the source of an obscure image or getting less exact results for a post you're looking for while the platform itself is a lot quicker with your demand. Google and Reddit together have been reliable for years to a point of literally making the experience worse for other sites. But as the cracks started to show, internet has a chance of becoming silent in a way that the essentials are still accessible but niche things couldn't be found and it's up for any competing platform and web browser to save it from such a stale state.
Depending on your definitions of dark and deep wan, it is clear, that they can't show them, because of the definitions
I really hope you aren't actually this stupid.
@@schwingedeshaehers yeah but still even at the darkest spaces can lie genuine information
@@HulluHapua what definitions do you have for them?
Reddit was the hero that we needed, but not the one we deserved.
I swear this website was getting talked bad about and had a terrible reputation, but even a few years ago it was the only place I knew of where you can anonymously go and ask a bunch of strangers from all walks of life whatever the heck you wanted.
At your discretion.
And get many, varied, interesting responses!
Now it's back to the generic, half-assed, cold, unfeeling, probably fake listicles unless some other platform steps in.
Or we just go back to internet forums like the good-ol' days.
the fact that the reddit blackout is hurting google just proves how god awful google search results are.
UuuuuuuuurrrrAAAAAARRRRRGGGGFHHHHH!
‘Pinterest’ is such a black hole of image sources and is one of *the* worst browsing experiences I’ve ever had unless you lay back and let the sludge pipe wash over you.
That seems to be the goal of all sites now. YT shorts really doesn’t want you to search, playlist, find the user or comment on shorts (or at least it makes it less interactive). Seems like all sites are just becoming ad distribution platforms in disguise or TV.
Yup. Basically the next iteration of television.
Reddit ends up answering at least 80% of the questions that I ask Google.
Sure, the "read in app" pop up is annoying, but it's still better than having to go to quora.
Every time I resort to clicking on quora, I suddenly get inundated with many more emails from them.
why do you have a quora account, and especially why is it not connected to a trash mail
@@Sup3rman1cright lol but honestly I actually don’t mind qoura lately ive been tagging ‘qoura’ on the end of my google searches instead of ‘reddit’
Quora just seems a bit vague too. Or outdated answers. Also u gotta pay for some answers
I don't understand how quora just doesn't die. Makes me fear that reddit will survive too
There's already enough crap on Google to sort through. When I try to search something real quick I have to agree 5 times, reload a page multiple times when I'm not logged in
Before using reddit for troubleshooting I'd put "forum" and it would work about 70% of the time.
That is exactly how I discover Reddit because you can almost always find helpful answers from Reddit for any topic.
Google should straight up buy Reddit at this point. It would certainly improve their search engine if that content was a core part of their search engine.
The antitrust morons wouldn't allow Google to buy Reddit. They would rather the world suffer than allow Google to spend half a billion dollars to buy reddit and make it easier to use.
Also, Google would ruin reddit and then discontinue it. Don't forget Google Plus.
@@cat-le1hfain't no way spez has any IQ. I bet his silly little head is empty
@@cat-le1hf and he would be losing power over reddit by selling it, he can't handle the thought of not being able to edit comments that shit on him because google's PR team said "No"
im not sure anything that google would do to is is good for us
HELL NO
People are banding together against the corporations. Its beautiful.
Is there any good forums left that give you a relevant answer. Is it all just some editorial article stuff
Looking for one too.
I find myself looking to reddit for information more and more because Google nearly always got to push some very corporate or "journalist" styled layout for everything . It helps next to nobody
Blackout has really fucked up my on the go search capabilities.
Not blaming the mods. I am also mad at Reddit and support the protest
I was just playing Noita yesterday and had this exact issue of Noita being closed and that was the top results.
A decade ago, Google used to have a really solid way to determine search result relevance to search queries involving groups of people(hired as independent contractors) rating sites. I can't give much detail on how it worked because it was all proprietary information. These days, search result quality has really dropped off a cliff, probably because an algorithm just sorts things based on loose guidelines. That's probably why you get a 500-page dissertation instead of an answer to your question, simply because it mentions relevant terms(same effect as keyword stuffing) way more often than a one-off recipe listing.
Independent contractors ? Wasn't that just PageRank ? I remember those results being borderline black magic, and this isn't nostalgia.
Pre-2016 Google Search was really something.
Google sucks so badly now.
Last few days i have been trying to find things and not getting shit.
It might actually be worse then before now.
I've been using the generative ai feature for 2 weeks (it's in Labs)
It's better than Google search but worse than GPT-4. Especially when asking it specific info Google should have like "Are there any Google Assistant Smart Displays with OLED screens" Google shows nothing, Bard and Generative search just lie and show you IPS displays and calls them OLED, and GPT-4 gives you a firm "no".