When I flew into the old Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong back in 1996 the markings on the apron were for the 707, VC10, DC8 and CV990. The pilot of our Emirates A310 still managed to get it in the right place though.
I like the type markings for the nose wheel position. When did a B707 last fly into Berlin. How about a Tu 154? Probably sometime before the fall of the Berlin wall!
Some stands are sloped. Some more than others. Sometimes, to save fuel, pilots turn off one engine during taxi in. If the pilots misjudge the thrust setting during the run to the gate and stop short, they have to put a lot of power on one engine to get the aircraft to continue taxying. At least this pilot didn't do what an Air China pilot did.. who decided he wanted to move a bit more forward after the chocks had gone in. The chocks weren't fully in and they were spat out, missing the engineers legs by inches. Needless to say, he overran the stop mark and had to be repositioned with a tug.
If you are trying to understand how it works; this is how. Each aircraft type has it's own guidance square set at a specific angle for the position of the pilot and aircraft's door relative to the board.. The squares on the board are red on one side and green on the other with thick black edge. The pilot taxis forward until neither green or red can be seen, only the black edge. At that point the aircraft is in proper position for the jet bridge. From the angle in the video you can only see the "too far forward"/red side. For the squares flat against the board, those type aircraft are not permitted - though more likely types no longer in service.
@ thank you so much for this! Is there a particular name for this old guidance system? I would love to learn more about it and maybe look for pictures/videos of it
Those guidance flappy things were awful... It's not a black mark on a captain to end up in the wrong spot... Thrust reverser on stand is another matter
Thanks for writing in. Please tell me when I said that the pilots weren't doing an important job? Failing to stop on the aircraft on the appropriate parking spot is an issue as the airbridge cannot be attached. Being unable to disembark the passengers in an efficient and timely manner is likely to be the cause of judgement by the customers. All the best. P🍀
@@PetetheIrishPilotI agree. There is this sense of sanctity surrounding pilots on the internet. Pilots are humans; they make mistakes all the time, but a lot of people don’t want to hear about it. Using reverse thrust at the gate is a major no-no. Very much unprofessional and unsafe. (Does Pegasus not have a FOQA program to detect these deviations?)
At least some are funny. I know a BA Captain. Extremely critical of others, especially his wife, especially in my local, and especially when pished out of his head. He’s not one of the funny ones.
That's how aviation training and continuous improvement works, Mr Two Cents. Nobody gets a pat on the back for making errors, we identify them, learn from them and train them out. You can call that 'judgemental' if you want, but it's how we make flying safer.
@alanp805 The improvement you talk about is something else. Here it's just making fun, akin to name calling. No safety is improved by idle talk and judgementaI comments alone. But then again, don't get butthurt.
I can guarantee you that if they were using their thrust reversers, none of that ground crew would be able to stand with the jet blast 50ft from the engines.
Berlin Tegel was one of my favourite airports to operate from, the ramp is slightly inclined so no reverse needed for what was a particularly stupid manoeuvre but I have to take issue with you concerning the gate guidance comments as for years prior to better systems coming along there was always two elements to aircraft parking that being centreline and side marker board, this is a derivation of that system, it is very simple (not quite foolproof though?) drive up the centreline and look to your left, when you see the ‘B737’ sign appear and the board covering it is perpendicular to your eye stop. That’s it. Simple. This guy has made a total bloody balls up of it.
When I was a short haul pilot I used to fly there all the time in an A320. I miss the convenience of Tegel’s location. It was a simple, system which lined up with the pilots eye to stop. Pre-landing brief should have included this.
Don’t think thrust reverser was used, to actually move a 737 back with T/R engine would have had to be at a high power setting. Don’t think an airline pilot would take dumbness to that level 🤣
Hangover from previous era of those types being regular visitors. Nobody was wanting to pay out for pointless work at an airport that was scheduled to close. P🍀
I dont really don't understand your rant. You aknowledge that the parking guidance is outdated yet you unleash big word againts the pilot as he would be faulty of anything ? Did you check that the "outdated" system was functionning for his aircraft this day ? What about showing some humility ? At this rate, I would even prefer to have as a pilot this guy than some god's given gift to aviation like someone else I shall not name yet.
Aah now yur not far away at all so ya aren't. Co Down for sure but more Dundonald direction. Glad you're liking my content. Glad to have ya on board and be sure to spread the word around County Down and beyond😉. P🍀
You are telling that reverse thrust is used but you are not able to hear that the noise of the time is like idle cfm56. And also,at the begining of video You can hear that the pilots given more thrust than idle to reach the stopping point,because of the upslope! thenoiseI don't thrust that you have enough information about professional aviation sir. Don't judge the people who have more professionalism than you. It's easy to speak to the people who have no idea about aviation and Boeing 737. This video doesn't have any professionalism...
@@Th3Butcher76 Perhaps he has seen the aircraft being towed from a remote parking spot to the gate and never seen it directly arrive at the gate from another flight
hmm, strikes me as a bit of over reaction to a slight parking error. But one can always make a mountain out of a molehill I suppose. If you google the procedure, they don't make a song and dance about it, it merely states; _"Can planes go in reverse on the ground? Whilst all commercial passenger aircraft can theoretically reverse on the ground using reverse thrust, practically speaking, only a very limited number of small commuter aircraft do reverse on the ground. They do this when leaving the gate to 'push themselves back' rather than having to rely on a tug to do it."_ Apart from that Russian aircraft even used reverse thrust whilst approaching to land, now no longer, but they did, no one had a problem with that. /watch?v=Yq5HLtdGeqE
@@berkerdemirer7982 multiple accidents and multiple runway over runs with perfectly serviceable aircraft. AMS Turkish 737 crash, 2 Pegasus runway overruns in the last 6 years.
Why is there no marshaller if the gate is so shit? Having a guy waving glowing plastic sticks would’ve saved both the pilots and ramp crew a lot of headache in this instance 👁️🫦👁️
Ah yes: Turkish talent for improvisation and German desire to make everything more complicated than it has to be. Lovely combo.
Glad you liked it. P🍀
@@PetetheIrishPilot Would you insult the pilots if they were Brits?
@@purrple.shadows Are 'Brits' beyond insult? In any case Pete is Irish . . .
@@TRPGpilot Totally undeserved insults. Unlikely he'd say such things even about Brits.
He has in the past @@purrple.shadows
When I flew into the old Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong back in 1996 the markings on the apron were for the 707, VC10, DC8 and CV990. The pilot of our Emirates A310 still managed to get it in the right place though.
Jolly good show! Thanks for sharing. P🍀
which specific place did you park it? is it actually based on plane length or?
I like the type markings for the nose wheel position. When did a B707 last fly into Berlin. How about a Tu 154? Probably sometime before the fall of the Berlin wall!
its cool seeing these old markings for the B707 and TU 154
Some stands are sloped. Some more than others. Sometimes, to save fuel, pilots turn off one engine during taxi in. If the pilots misjudge the thrust setting during the run to the gate and stop short, they have to put a lot of power on one engine to get the aircraft to continue taxying. At least this pilot didn't do what an Air China pilot did.. who decided he wanted to move a bit more forward after the chocks had gone in. The chocks weren't fully in and they were spat out, missing the engineers legs by inches. Needless to say, he overran the stop mark and had to be repositioned with a tug.
Thanks for taking the time to contribute to this story. P🍀
What’s the name of the guidance system? Can’t seem to find much or any info on it
Ancient......is what I'd call it! Thanks for your question. P🍀
If you are trying to understand how it works; this is how.
Each aircraft type has it's own guidance square set at a specific angle for the position of the pilot and aircraft's door relative to the board..
The squares on the board are red on one side and green on the other with thick black edge. The pilot taxis forward until neither green or red can be seen, only the black edge. At that point the aircraft is in proper position for the jet bridge.
From the angle in the video you can only see the "too far forward"/red side. For the squares flat against the board, those type aircraft are not permitted - though more likely types no longer in service.
@ thank you so much for this! Is there a particular name for this old guidance system? I would love to learn more about it and maybe look for pictures/videos of it
Those guidance flappy things were awful... It's not a black mark on a captain to end up in the wrong spot... Thrust reverser on stand is another matter
Pilots are piloting an aircraft and they do an extremely important job
Don't judge because of a 1-2 meters missed parking
Thanks for writing in. Please tell me when I said that the pilots weren't doing an important job? Failing to stop on the aircraft on the appropriate parking spot is an issue as the airbridge cannot be attached. Being unable to disembark the passengers in an efficient and timely manner is likely to be the cause of judgement by the customers. All the best. P🍀
@@PetetheIrishPilotI agree. There is this sense of sanctity surrounding pilots on the internet. Pilots are humans; they make mistakes all the time, but a lot of people don’t want to hear about it.
Using reverse thrust at the gate is a major no-no. Very much unprofessional and unsafe. (Does Pegasus not have a FOQA program to detect these deviations?)
@PetetheIrishPilot you blatantly did refer to them as "dumb and dumber".
The huge danger of running past your parking stand is that you put the airbridge through the engine, not a good day.
@@charlesnicholson7539 Where in the ICAO Doc is that "no-no" written.
Pegasus pilots are 99% coming from Turkish airforce. Relation between some senior airforce pilots and foreign ground crews can be difficult.
Thanks for sharing that information. P🍀
In Berlin a big share of the ground crews are Turkish, too. Berlin is probably the largest "Turkish City" outside of Turkey.
Interesting. so I cant join Flypgs without Military expierence ? Kind regards
I miss TXL and the marvelous hexagon Design 😢
Pilots have a chronic disease of judging others. Just my two cents.
He's right on everything he said. There are standard procedures to keep the safety.
At least some are funny. I know a BA Captain. Extremely critical of others, especially his wife, especially in my local, and especially when pished out of his head. He’s not one of the funny ones.
That's how aviation training and continuous improvement works, Mr Two Cents. Nobody gets a pat on the back for making errors, we identify them, learn from them and train them out. You can call that 'judgemental' if you want, but it's how we make flying safer.
@alanp805 The improvement you talk about is something else. Here it's just making fun, akin to name calling. No safety is improved by idle talk and judgementaI comments alone. But then again, don't get butthurt.
I can guarantee you that if they were using their thrust reversers, none of that ground crew would be able to stand with the jet blast 50ft from the engines.
If you can guarantee they're not using thrust reversers, then how are they going backwards?
Berlin Tegel was one of my favourite airports to operate from, the ramp is slightly inclined so no reverse needed for what was a particularly stupid manoeuvre but I have to take issue with you concerning the gate guidance comments as for years prior to better systems coming along there was always two elements to aircraft parking that being centreline and side marker board, this is a derivation of that system, it is very simple (not quite foolproof though?) drive up the centreline and look to your left, when you see the ‘B737’ sign appear and the board covering it is perpendicular to your eye stop. That’s it. Simple. This guy has made a total bloody balls up of it.
Point taken. Thanks for taking the time to explain your views. P🍀
I guess they never updated the gate guidance system because Brandenburg airport will be open "next year".
When I was a short haul pilot I used to fly there all the time in an A320. I miss the convenience of Tegel’s location. It was a simple, system which lined up with the pilots eye to stop. Pre-landing brief should have included this.
Aaaah, pre-landing brief. Wonder was that a bit on the scant side. Also wonder how they managed to find free-wheeling reverse gear? P🍀
Don’t think thrust reverser was used, to actually move a 737 back with T/R engine would have had to be at a high power setting. Don’t think an airline pilot would take dumbness to that level 🤣
I am of the same opinion my seen it several times on MD's in The States. Bonkers. P🍀
Why they got markings for 707s and TU-154s in the 21 century? 😅
Hangover from previous era of those types being regular visitors. Nobody was wanting to pay out for pointless work at an airport that was scheduled to close. P🍀
Wait I thought this airport was closed
It is.
It's been closed for years now.....
I dont really don't understand your rant. You aknowledge that the parking guidance is outdated yet you unleash big word againts the pilot as he would be faulty of anything ? Did you check that the "outdated" system was functionning for his aircraft this day ? What about showing some humility ? At this rate, I would even prefer to have as a pilot this guy than some god's given gift to aviation like someone else I shall not name yet.
Have you seen the safety record of turkish carriers by any chance. Including Pegasus. The guy was joking
Are you effing serious? The pilots power backed the airplane and used their thrust to push a tug...You are justifying such behaviour?
Are you having a mental breakdown?
Berlin , city lights …
Hi Pete, I love your videos. Where are you from, I’m going to say North down direction with that accent. I’m Bangor myself
Aah now yur not far away at all so ya aren't. Co Down for sure but more Dundonald direction. Glad you're liking my content. Glad to have ya on board and be sure to spread the word around County Down and beyond😉. P🍀
@@PetetheIrishPilot I’m actually from Bangor but live in Dundonald myself. Small world. I will do Pete, keep up the good work ✈️😀
Big L plates on the wings.
You are telling that reverse thrust is used but you are not able to hear that the noise of the time is like idle cfm56. And also,at the begining of video You can hear that the pilots given more thrust than idle to reach the stopping point,because of the upslope! thenoiseI don't thrust that you have enough information about professional aviation sir. Don't judge the people who have more professionalism than you. It's easy to speak to the people who have no idea about aviation and Boeing 737.
This video doesn't have any professionalism...
Love the video title but I would expect nothing less from the acknowledged ace alliterating aviator.....
It's not the job of the pilots to "drive" the plane up the gates. That is the job of the tow trucks.
No, it's not
Aircraft taxi onto a gate
@@Th3Butcher76 Every time I fly I see they use the tugs to line it up to the gate.
@curiousnomadic Don't know where you live, but I'm an aircraft handler (tug driver) at Gatwick Airport and that's not the case
@@Th3Butcher76 Perhaps he has seen the aircraft being towed from a remote parking spot to the gate and never seen it directly arrive at the gate from another flight
@@Th3Butcher76 I've seen them do it at Gatwick too. What are the tugs for then?
of course no air lingus or ryanair pilots would ever have made such a p-ss poor effort
hmm, strikes me as a bit of over reaction to a slight parking error. But one can always make a mountain out of a molehill I suppose.
If you google the procedure, they don't make a song and dance about it, it merely states; _"Can planes go in reverse on the ground? Whilst all commercial passenger aircraft can theoretically reverse on the ground using reverse thrust, practically speaking, only a very limited number of small commuter aircraft do reverse on the ground. They do this when leaving the gate to 'push themselves back' rather than having to rely on a tug to do it."_ Apart from that Russian aircraft even used reverse thrust whilst approaching to land, now no longer, but they did, no one had a problem with that. /watch?v=Yq5HLtdGeqE
Dumb and dumber 😂😂😂 Pete you absolutely smash it buddy 😂😂😎🫡👌
Turkish registered airlines aren’t at the top of my travel list…. 😬
Thanks for sharing that with us all. P🍀
@@PetetheIrishPilot 😄
And for what exactly ?
Reason being?
@@berkerdemirer7982 multiple accidents and multiple runway over runs with perfectly serviceable aircraft. AMS Turkish 737 crash, 2 Pegasus runway overruns in the last 6 years.
Why is there no marshaller if the gate is so shit? Having a guy waving glowing plastic sticks would’ve saved both the pilots and ramp crew a lot of headache in this instance 👁️🫦👁️