On Titanic, the crew dies, the ship workers die, the stowaways die even the freakin band dies. Not only do they die by coincidence from iceberg, but they don't get the chance to save themselves and have to facilitate the survival of the rich passengers, they even have to play music for them in the mist of their futility. To me, this should point out the great injustice of the class system. The working class doesn't make a class war, the class war is intrenched in the system.
A lot of people still think Crispin was in BTTF 2, when what happened was they used prosthetic molds from the first movie to illegally create a Crispin Glover mask, which they then had another actor wear so that people would think it was still Crispin in the movie. He successfully sued Universal over it, but he got blacklisted from Hollywood.
@thenorwegian76 Yep, it's much like the 'Magic Negro' trope; the recurring theme is that they can't help themselves, or in the magical case they can only help others. It may look benevolent on the surface, but the underlying reasoning speaks of superiority and subservience.
The problem of the question is Hollywood conservative or liberal is that people, and seemingly this panel at some points, think Hollywood = the actors. Most actors are liberal, but they don't control what a film is about at all. Hollywood isn't political, they don't care. If Stanley Kubrick for instance makes them a lot of money every film he makes, the studio doesn't care what he makes politically.
@JPhands the subtle msg is collateral dmg is ok/irrelevant so long as you get the bad guy. Which goes hand in hand with the rampant militarism of the right wing hell the collateral we've had in the middle east was called "the cost of doing business" by one of our generals and that is disgusting but americans hardly bat an eye
Glover's speech is a little hard to follow (that's Crispin Glover I suppose) but I get what he's saying. I've always laughed at the Right-Wing schpeel "Hollywood Liberal Elite", when the very nature and history of Hollywood exemplifies the corrupt, self-serving Laissez-faire nature of Corporate America.
Or maybe we can really open our eyes and observe that the liberal vs conservative dichotomy doesn't exist. Debating over those 2 fiction polar ideologies in the media only enables their usage and staying power. More often than not, it's ignoring specifics and nuance that sets us up for failure, slowing our progress forward.
@whoatootsieroll I agree with the Avatar part because the message that it does give is that the only person who could save the blue people is the white guy as if the blue people are incompetent ala manifest destiny. Secondly, what strikes me is that is the fact that Titanic is true and it should point out that the fact that rich people get to live in real life is a great injustice to the working class but film romanticizes that fact of life as if it was something we HAVE to live with.
I think Crispin Glover acted fantastic in back to the future, removing him was the most uneducated and pathetic thing the producers did. Such negative people have bad business reputation already and they think they can survive like this. They are paranoid to think like that. Even a 1 year old dog/ pup can think better.
@JPhands I'm gonna say I don't think they plan it purposefully, it is their personal beliefs, so it gets portrayed through their work because its natural to them. It just convenient to them that actors typically have a left leaning persuasion so the people behind the scenes can hide behind the literal puppets. I don't think most directors knowingly participate in the propaganda (some do though) But most people in general just don't think critically about how their actions influence others.
Con't. I didn't even think I was watching a political film; I just looked at all of it as a disaster film. People also take from what they watch and read what they bring to it. I expected a disaster film, I got a disaster film.
James Cameron is not a conservative. He directly attacks republican warmongers and their energy policy in Avatar. He also criticizes arms races in Terminator movies. He also shows us importance of nature in Abyss and Avatar. What does not match his liberal, progressive views are two movies related to him. Firstly he wrote the script of Rambo II and directed a nationalist movie named True Lies. I guess he made those movies for money so that he could spend it for projects like Titanic.
Okay, I can agree that our entertainment often reflects our culture and that it can variably influence a person's way of thinking. And because of that, it can lead to its own set of issues. But on the other hand, I think there is such a thing as reading too much into a piece of entertainment, and honestly that's what I think some of the guys in this video did a little bit. They're entitled to those opinions, but my opinion is they read a little too much into some movies. When I saw Titanic....
Action and maybe all Blockbuster flicks have always been conservative inclined. And then there are those liberals from indie and low-budget backgrounds who later became mainstream. Unfortunately they aren´t as powerful as Wall Street investors.
Smith punches alien to the unconcesness - what is absurd about it. U R suposed to be inteligence, the wise kind? Where is that absurdity? It is science fiction - comedy relieve moment. No traces of monty pythons or Sartre absurdity. But sounds clever Turk - that is just the piece of clever we can get out of U.
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I think Crispin Glover is my density....
On Titanic, the crew dies, the ship workers die, the stowaways die even the freakin band dies. Not only do they die by coincidence from iceberg, but they don't get the chance to save themselves and have to facilitate the survival of the rich passengers, they even have to play music for them in the mist of their futility.
To me, this should point out the great injustice of the class system. The working class doesn't make a class war, the class war is intrenched in the system.
1:50 why was "THE POINT" Editted out??!!!!
A lot of people still think Crispin was in BTTF 2, when what happened was they used prosthetic molds from the first movie to illegally create a Crispin Glover mask, which they then had another actor wear so that people would think it was still Crispin in the movie. He successfully sued Universal over it, but he got blacklisted from Hollywood.
They may insert some far left thinking from time to time but I think neoliberalism and neoconservatism are both heavily used.
@thenorwegian76
Yep, it's much like the 'Magic Negro' trope; the recurring theme is that they can't help themselves, or in the magical case they can only help others.
It may look benevolent on the surface, but the underlying reasoning speaks of superiority and subservience.
RiC David Baggar Vance
Exactly!
The problem of the question is Hollywood conservative or liberal is that people, and seemingly this panel at some points, think Hollywood = the actors. Most actors are liberal, but they don't control what a film is about at all. Hollywood isn't political, they don't care. If Stanley Kubrick for instance makes them a lot of money every film he makes, the studio doesn't care what he makes politically.
@JPhands the subtle msg is collateral dmg is ok/irrelevant so long as you get the bad guy. Which goes hand in hand with the rampant militarism of the right wing hell the collateral we've had in the middle east was called "the cost of doing business" by one of our generals and that is disgusting but americans hardly bat an eye
Helloo! Anybody home ? think mcfly think!"
Glover's speech is a little hard to follow (that's Crispin Glover I suppose) but I get what he's saying.
I've always laughed at the Right-Wing schpeel "Hollywood Liberal Elite", when the very nature and history of Hollywood exemplifies the corrupt, self-serving Laissez-faire nature of Corporate America.
Or maybe we can really open our eyes and observe that the liberal vs conservative dichotomy doesn't exist. Debating over those 2 fiction polar ideologies in the media only enables their usage and staying power. More often than not, it's ignoring specifics and nuance that sets us up for failure, slowing our progress forward.
@whoatootsieroll I agree with the Avatar part because the message that it does give is that the only person who could save the blue people is the white guy as if the blue people are incompetent ala manifest destiny.
Secondly, what strikes me is that is the fact that Titanic is true and it should point out that the fact that rich people get to live in real life is a great injustice to the working class but film romanticizes that fact of life as if it was something we HAVE to live with.
If George McFly talks to me about politics, I listen.
I think Crispin Glover acted fantastic in back to the future, removing him was the most uneducated and pathetic thing the producers did.
Such negative people have bad business reputation already and they think they can survive like this.
They are paranoid to think like that. Even a 1 year old dog/ pup can think better.
a fascist's liberal is an anarchists's conservative. remember that.
@JPhands I'm gonna say I don't think they plan it purposefully, it is their personal beliefs, so it gets portrayed through their work because its natural to them.
It just convenient to them that actors typically have a left leaning persuasion so the people behind the scenes can hide behind the literal puppets.
I don't think most directors knowingly participate in the propaganda (some do though) But most people in general just don't think critically about how their actions influence others.
@MrDragon1968
Me and my sister used to sit down and watch that once a month. For... three years? Yeah, that immediately came to mind. ^_^
Should call this Missing The Point. Who made Glover’s point something to do with left and right all of a sudden
Meh, I think the gold probably goes to North Korea.
Hellooooo....McFly! Anyone home?!
Wow, he's still the same as in the movie..lol
No, he isn't.
I love Crispin Glover, regardless of whether I understand him.
After posting I was reminded of comedian Reginald D Hunter on HIGNFY talking about Batman. Cracked me up!
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People are actually worried about aliens. Genuinely.
Con't. I didn't even think I was watching a political film; I just looked at all of it as a disaster film. People also take from what they watch and read what they bring to it. I expected a disaster film, I got a disaster film.
Honestly I don't think that much thought goes into most movies as far as plot.
James Cameron is not a conservative. He directly attacks republican warmongers and their energy policy in Avatar. He also criticizes arms races in Terminator movies. He also shows us importance of nature in Abyss and Avatar. What does not match his liberal, progressive views are two movies related to him. Firstly he wrote the script of Rambo II and directed a nationalist movie named True Lies. I guess he made those movies for money so that he could spend it for projects like Titanic.
Okay, I can agree that our entertainment often reflects our culture and that it can variably influence a person's way of thinking. And because of that, it can lead to its own set of issues. But on the other hand, I think there is such a thing as reading too much into a piece of entertainment, and honestly that's what I think some of the guys in this video did a little bit. They're entitled to those opinions, but my opinion is they read a little too much into some movies. When I saw Titanic....
Steve Ross, since when is the "working class" synonymous with conservatives?
Action and maybe all Blockbuster flicks have always been conservative inclined.
And then there are those liberals from indie and low-budget backgrounds who later became mainstream. Unfortunately they aren´t as powerful as Wall Street investors.
@jdroker
Hollywood is apolitical. You can cite extremely conservative films from the 70s too. Dirty Harry and the Death Wish films come to mind.
Smith punches alien to the unconcesness - what is absurd about it. U R suposed to be inteligence, the wise kind? Where is that absurdity? It is science fiction - comedy relieve moment. No traces of monty pythons or Sartre absurdity. But sounds clever Turk - that is just the piece of clever we can get out of U.