I was between a Kraton 8S and an X-Maxx and you've just helped me decide to go with the Kraton!! So happy to be leaving nitro for good and getting back into electric with this monster!
Thank you. You helped me decide what my nest purchase will be. The tires on the rustler 4x4 vxl aren't very good either. I blew a petty good size piece of tread off of one after a week of use.
my brother awesome vid. I had the same issue with my xmaxx esc but got it replaced for free and the pinion was coming loose all the time. my LHS took care of that mess. just got my kraton 8s 2 days ago and my goodness is the thing a beast. As you said earlier both rigs are a must have. Great job 👏 👍 👌
I have got to be one of the only X-maxx owners that hasn't had an issue with the electronics at all. Even the dreaded grub screw.. I ran it at least 4 times dry before learning of it being a problem, chucked some blue ZAP threadlock on it and never been as issue in over a year
I have the original 6s x-Maxx and the 8s version. My 6s x-Maxx has never left me stranded. I’ve destroyed 3 bodies and only had 1 bent shock shaft so far. It’s been amazingly durable.
Hey awesome video brother- thank you for the non biased opinion and also I can tell you're great appreciation for both trucks. I have had my X-Maxx for 6 months and have thoroughly enjoyed it I just recently bought a kraton 8s and looking forward to enjoying it as well. I think I'll be pleased having both trucks!
I have the 8sX Maxx just about from the first week they were available,, I'm still on STOCK pinion and spur, and i beat the hell out of it, I don't run it often, but when I do, It takes a beating and never had any issues.
Same here. I’ve had my 8s XMaxx for two years now, all stock, and I bash the shit out of it. Believe it or not, I haven’t broken a single part yet, just the body is starting to look terrible from all the flips and crashes.
I have the xmaxx and the new 8s outcast. Love them both and both are very durable so far. I think the electronics on the arrma delivers more power somehow. Especially when you consider how much heavier it is.
I went into LHS looking for the Kraton 8S they didn't have any, but had 1 Xmaxx 8S. Since day 1 pinion problems, self righting one time blew the p&s to bits. Blue locate red loctite, don't matter. I was looking at different pinions in the lhs but thought I may run into what you did in the vid. I'm going to burr or slot the shaft and see how it goes.maybe even the arrma style spur grub with the pin going through. Been setting pinions and mesh for 20+ years, never any problems until this XMAXX. Outside of this and a few other issues which I've already knew about and sorted its an amazing rc. Traxxas needs to have Arrma do their gears, and Arrma needs to have Traxxas do their chassis design. Best bet to get both. The Arrma Xmaxx or Traxxas Kraton better yet the the Arrma XO-1:Limitless edition. Great video though very informative glad this popped up in my feed. Sub'd
My friend bought an XMAXX because every video he watched myself included said XMaxx is the most durable. I got a Kraton EXB 6s and expected problems according to UA-cam. So no problems at all with the Kraton max6 1650kv. XMaxx has had issues every time he goes out! The tires came apart first, the pins that hold the a-arms keep falling out. He doesn’t even drive hard. Thank you for the honest Veiw. By the way the XMaxx is upgraded and hopefully be operating without issues.
I have my XMAXX 8S stock and have launched it time after time on the BMX track, and never had an issue with any of the items that you are discussing. No issues at all. I hope it stays that way. I have also have launched my XMAXX 15 to 20 feet into the air and landing on the hard dirt track. Hope you have better luck with yours. You might want to check out your modifications and see if everything is working in harmony together and not destroying itself.
I've had the same experience. No problems at all with the gears or the speed control. I beat the crap out of it for 6 months, no issues. I installed a max 6 still on factory motor and gears, no issues. I think driving style makes a big difference.
stevin tyska exactly. A lot of people are more aggressive like myself. If you jump a lot and are doing flips and stuff you will break parts. If you enjoy driving around on flat ground with no heavy jumps or anything the truck should last.
Dude I bash my Xmaxx shitless so I have a whole aluminum front end, upgraded servo, stronger bearings, had to boy 6 new batteries at 200 a piece cause I’m fucking dumb
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs I've broken 3 rpm a-arms, 2 drive cups, a carrier hub, and replaced all four wheels in about 1 year on my x-maxx. I haven't replaced the pro-line raptor body on it yet, but it looks like the top gear hilux. (incidentally, I borrowed an arrma notorious 6s for about a month and broke the lower plastic shock mount part twice - I bash hard!). still, aside from the tires, everything was super cheap to replace!
For the pinion issue, degrease everything, motor shaft, pinion and set screw. Use something called Loctite bearing retainer on the round side of the shaft, where the set screw isn't, and then slide the pinion on, and use regular loctite for the set screw. The bearing retainer is gap filling, and will secure a bearing (or a pinion) to a shaft without anything else holding it on. I used it on a TRex 250 helicopter for the tail shaft bearings, as well as the pinion for the motor of that same heli. The pinion in that heli had no set screw, not flat side. The bearing retainer was the only thing securing the pinion
I got my kraton 8’s about two weeks ago. They now calling it v2 because it have 20 million now in center diff. Now it comes with the new dx3 remote control.
New Sub here man! Great stuff and I appreciate the straight talk and honesty. Good info on the electrics and issues with both trucks. As for me, July 2020,im gonna try and get the Outcast 8s of course 🎯🚀🚀 but I do love both these trucks
This is by far the best, most unbiased and honest comparison vid I’ve seen on these trucks. Thanks. Having said that..... I just got a Kraton 8s after Christmas. The exploded view diagram says the center diff already has 20mill diff fluid.
Yeah Arrma changed to 20 million in the center diff. The first release of the v1.5 still had 1 million in them. Changing the center diff to 20 million is no longer a worry.
I read the other day what i think sounds like a good idea for keeping the pinion on. Grind the end of the set screw that bottoms out on the motor shaft flat. Set screws usually have a little rounded end...i guess if you grind it flat it will give you a better bite on the motor shaft. Don’t know if it will help...but it sounded like a solid idea lol.
Better still would be metal weld or a well engineered pinion that has to be heated enough for thermal expansion to just get it over the shaft. Once cooled - solid fit from ALL sides and uniformly. Forgot to add, the bite is only better if the mating surfaces have 1) an increased surface area and 2) more friction from being tighter. Problem is that's more stress on the 1 small area (the grub crew and threaded section of the pinion) For 2) the only method is to tighten more, but for 1 and 2 without being able to re-engineer the pinion, your method is a good idea. By flattening the head (male) into a point of the shaft you make the same shape (a flattened section - female) you increase the contact area of screw and shaft and friction. Your (lol) idea is science and it will help a lot :-) go for it. Because you think, it is a good idea you where capable of coming up with by yourself before you read about it. Just take care not to narrow the shaft by over doing it, you want the minimal material away but flat on flat. Do the start work with a Dremel (I don't have one) for speed but finish with a fine file. The Dremel is a rotary tool and you want as flatter surface as possible and that's why a file is better once you find a way to lock the shaft from spinning! while you work on it. A Dremel is probably the best option when working at 90 degrees to the shaft but you still want to keep it from moving so maybe get the cog on just enough to use the screw to tighten it onto the top of the shaft. Also bear in mind this very fast little cog isn't doing the torque work, it's doing the effort work by number of cycles....later stages of the drive train have the torque issues. My answer was over detailed I guess but sometimes you have to trust logic and not other people. It takes confidence to do stunts and tricks with a large mass that is potential energy moving at a great speed that could actually kill you, so have some faith in tinkering your toys to make them better :-) Engineering and science.
Thanks for the great input on the differences between the XMAXX vs Kraton 👍🏻. I have the Kraton 8s and have been thinking of getting the Xmaxx. Now I know if I pull the trigger on purchasing the XMAXX I will need to purchase some additional stuff like a spur gear and pinion gear. As well I did click the like and I subscribed
You helped a lot but, now I'm even more unsure.. glad I have a Losi Baja Rey Raptor and two Arrma Mojave V2 too keep me entertained while I make up my mind✔️
I got an X-maxx last year and love that thing. I haven't had any issues with the pinion or spur other that the pinion coming loose a couple of times. I put some lock tight on there and that seemed to fix the issue. I run all the electronics stock and haven't had any major issues. The ESC overheated a couple times, but after I beat the heck out of that truck. I am not easy on that truck. Broke the body the first time out after I jumped it 30+ feet. The thing is built like a tank and I have no complaints as of yet. I may get the Max 6 ESC at some point, but I definitely don't recommend getting anything until the stock components break. It really is a complete waste of money. Also, get the unbreakable body and Proline Badland tires. You will not be disappointed.
I had the problem with pinion on many of my different RC trucks. For the hell of it I decided to load the pinion screw with red thread locker but before putting the set screw into the pinion I let that threadlocker sit for about a half hour to stiffen it up and thicken it up just a little bit I let it dry and then I installed it and it's still on the truck today I did it to every one of my RC vehicles and I haven't had a problem since
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs You can also try some CA glue (super glue). If there will be a need to take it off, just warm it using soldering iron and CA glue lets go and you can take it off. I did such quick fix with my pivot balls which stripped suspension arms. Of course suspension geometry was not setup correctly so when I came back to home I just warmed it and glue let go without any damage to plastic axle carrier or suspension arms.
I got an xmaxx, with hot racing swaybar and love as its body roll less. I also have the set screw backout at full speed one time n it’s was scare as hell as there is no stoping force. Haven’t broke anything except the high speed launch and stop on pavement n broke couple tooth’s on the spur.
Since changing out the stock servo I can’t keep the XMAXX running. Went through 4 in the past month. The pinion problem happened to me once and never again. Have the worst luck in the world with my EREVO 2.0. Esc, servos, motors, you name it. RC has endless variables.
I have an 8S Xmaxx with a max6 and 20T tekno pinion and 50T GDS spur gear and have never had an issue with the pinion coming lose. The tekno pinion has a much larger grub screw.
I’ve also been running my XMaxx for over six months and broke a bumper bracket or two but my stock gears are still perfect.. and by no means am I easy on it...
Great Video 👍 I would love to see a side by side and running comparison of all the different wheel combinations you have on the truck ! I've just bought some Louise x Pioneers , interested to see how the power hobby raptors would perform aswell !
Would you be able.to.advise what size bolt.or.nut is used for decorative effect on each wheel ( the ones around the main hub )? I've ordered some Raptors and I was thinking of swapping the little nuts or bolts for red aluminium ones for effect !
Make a flat spot with a dremel on the motor shaft where the grub screw goes in; you will never have loose pinion again! 😉👍 Super video and good comparison. I have the X-Maxx among other cars and now I'm gonna get the Kraton 8s! And you're guilty because of your video! 😜
been torn between buying a Kraton or an XMaxx, and internal conflict i always arrive at is one where i'm thinking "if i buy an xmaxx, i'm going to be tearing out at least ~300 bucks worth of what i paid for out of the box". this video sealed the deal for me. i'm going with the Kraton XBR roller.
Damn...your x maxx looks like something I would buy straight out of the box today.....congratulations on an awesome rig...I recently got a cen reeper and I've had no problems its fuckn awesome the only thing I see needs help is it could be wider on wheel stance I'm thinking the weak shock oil swapped for thicker oil would offset that and keep it planted or add extra shocks which should definitely negate the suspension roll
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs I was really interested in the x maxx....but damn it's got too many problems its not worth the extra investment...but yours is definitely the best one I've seen I'm impressed and the enthusiasm you have for the hobby really shows in the video I'll b subscribing......
I have both of theses trucks also,,,,I noticed you didn’t mention the weakness of the kraton chassis,,,I bent mine just doing mild bashing...now I guess I’m going to spring for the m2c chassis,,which is not the cheapest thing to purchase,,,but is needed. Along with straightening or replacing the chassis supports and replacing the rear diff housing,,,I consider this a huge miss on armma part,,,,hope they improve this issue,,,,,other than that. I love both of these units,,,wouldn’t trade them for the world......great stuff....
I didn’t get into that as I have not had any issues with the chassis bending. It may be the new braces... not sure. But I usually try only to comment on issues I have had. And as of now my chassis is still good.
Yup... Bought a Mojave, lasted a few runs (guess I'm hard on it🤙) Had to replace the chassis with M2C, M2C +2 hubs, M2C shock tower braces, M2C shock standoffs, Vitavon diff cases, CRCU hinge pin holders, Basherqueen full carbon fiber set, GPM braces, HR brace holders, HR hub carriers, hi kg servo, motor fan, chassis cover, GPM axles full set and thicker springs. Did I miss anything🤣
@@surfside75 Yup, I believe in upgrading for strength...but not going overboard,,just enough to strengthen in crucial areas....I finally got mine right without the expensive add ones,,,,no issues yet,,and I’m also pretty hard on my stuff.....RIP IT...👈😀
i like using tekno pinion gears because it has a larger set screw & really not a fair contest comparing a modified X Maxx to a stock K8s But good video
My pinion and spur have lasted the first 2 packs so I think it's prolly more about how you are punching it off the line. Mine is brand new, swapped out to Max 5 ESC before I eeven ran it, no problem with spur and pinion. BUT I am on punch level 3 and not really popping on it hard at the start. Also we have the same charger, hyperion. What PSU are you using? I am using a 12v 750 watt but kinda wondering about the 24v upgrade.
I am a proud Arrma outcast owner and a buddy of mine is a die hard Traxxas guy. Hahaha sorry about his broken luck. All I can say is dont waste the money on the xmaxx any same level Arrma rc is better than any of the price comparable rc period. I have killed many models and hands down Arrma is the beast. Great video and sorry about the dust collector. J/s
I was having the same issue with my XMAXX. Now the Kraton has a snap ring in the motor shaft to stop the pinion from sliding. I am receiving my Kraton 8S Monday. Sick of the XMAXX pinion issue. Now would I be able to put a snap ring on the Traxxas motor shaft???
i drill a divett into my motorshafts where the grub screw lands, that way the it has somewhere to sit and locks in nicely, those shafts arent hardened and drill and grind easily, if you go with the 1600kv that 20T is gonna be fast as hell! maybe even too much, if you do the 1600 id buy your 1275 as mine burnt up today! you could go either way
I am not a Traxxas fan boy at all actually I hate a Traxxas vehicles but the xmaxx is awesome,...Technically you don't have to buy anything for a new X-Maxx 8s, if the speed control does go bad within a month or six months then you can upgrade it at that point, the new tires are absolutely fine as long as you're not driving like an idiot and letting them round out like crazy, so far my pinion and spur have held up and I've had the truck for a month if they do break then I'll upgrade but none of this has to be done before you leave the hobby shop, some people have bad luck absolutely I believe that....but that goes with every ready to run car. The X-Maxx at least looks and drives like a monster truck The arrma would be awesome but it's not a monster truck it's just a big truggy which is why a lot of people aren't interested in it if they actually made a monster truck I'm sure they would do a wonderful job and probably sell a ton.
All good and ARRMA is a excellent brand no doubt. However I could never get into their body shells... YUK! Without the body on it looks awesome just like the XMAXX. Other than that both are awesome machines👍
I just bought two 4S batteries and a charger in prep for an X-Maxx and now I'm a bit pissed I'm gonna have to order parts and I don't have the truck yet.
I have the same with my losi lst xxl. And my team associated rc8.t Rc8.t never ever breaks. Losi is bigger and looks cooler. But always problems. So we can conclude, truggy or truggy based mt's are better
Still running original 6s xmaxx,never lost pionion,always 17/54,, 6s tires suck. Best tire still traxxas ,lightest is best for all rc. Still original gears to date. Kershaw design wheels make xmaxx handle like kraton,less out of control wheelies. Over size wheel bearings are the must. Still run slipper with 8s gears
Cen Reeper? What's that? Just kidding, but might as well be the case when you compare X-Maxx to it. Same can be said if you compare the Kraton 8s to the Cen. I never even seen a Cen Reeper in person.
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs Thanks for the reply .. Its a shame there is no punch setting does need it now after changing spur at pinion gears. I just set up for jumping. May have to change pinion gear down. Maybe its the badlands mx wheels that have weighed it down a little This truck is new to me but love the hobby so easy to spend money on it..lol
Man just bought a infraction, and now i want a K8. Only problem is, these larger vehicles are hard to hide around the house!
ah aha ha I feel the same way........
😂😂😂 tru
Just had a buddy trade in his 6 month old Infraction for a Losi Super Rock Rey.
DUDE LMFAO HAHAHHA
You gotta disassemble it after each bashing session!
I was between a Kraton 8S and an X-Maxx and you've just helped me decide to go with the Kraton!! So happy to be leaving nitro for good and getting back into electric with this monster!
Mojave Mojave Mojave... I hope this doesn't haunt your sleep time🤣😂👍🍻
@@surfside75 what?
Thank you Mr. Perrin for the great video. I appreciate your objectivity and refusal to take sides. I found the information here to be very useful.
Thanks. No fanboy here. Just a guy who really enjoys RC.
Thank you. You helped me decide what my nest purchase will be. The tires on the rustler 4x4 vxl aren't very good either. I blew a petty good size piece of tread off of one after a week of use.
my brother awesome vid. I had the same issue with my xmaxx esc but got it replaced for free and the pinion was coming loose all the time. my LHS took care of that mess. just got my kraton 8s 2 days ago and my goodness is the thing a beast. As you said earlier both rigs are a must have. Great job 👏 👍 👌
I have got to be one of the only X-maxx owners that hasn't had an issue with the electronics at all. Even the dreaded grub screw.. I ran it at least 4 times dry before learning of it being a problem, chucked some blue ZAP threadlock on it and never been as issue in over a year
I have the original 6s x-Maxx and the 8s version. My 6s x-Maxx has never left me stranded. I’ve destroyed 3 bodies and only had 1 bent shock shaft so far. It’s been amazingly durable.
Me too
Hey awesome video brother- thank you for the non biased opinion and also I can tell you're great appreciation for both trucks. I have had my X-Maxx for 6 months and have thoroughly enjoyed it I just recently bought a kraton 8s and looking forward to enjoying it as well. I think I'll be pleased having both trucks!
I have the 8sX Maxx just about from the first week they were available,, I'm still on STOCK pinion and spur, and i beat the hell out of it, I don't run it often, but when I do, It takes a beating and never had any issues.
Thanks Mark✔️
Same here. I think it’s when people start messing with things they have issues
Same here. I’ve had my 8s XMaxx for two years now, all stock, and I bash the shit out of it. Believe it or not, I haven’t broken a single part yet, just the body is starting to look terrible from all the flips and crashes.
I have the xmaxx and the new 8s outcast. Love them both and both are very durable so far. I think the electronics on the arrma delivers more power somehow. Especially when you consider how much heavier it is.
Awesome comparison, thank you
I went into LHS looking for the Kraton 8S they didn't have any, but had 1 Xmaxx 8S. Since day 1 pinion problems, self righting one time blew the p&s to bits. Blue locate red loctite, don't matter. I was looking at different pinions in the lhs but thought I may run into what you did in the vid. I'm going to burr or slot the shaft and see how it goes.maybe even the arrma style spur grub with the pin going through. Been setting pinions and mesh for 20+ years, never any problems until this XMAXX. Outside of this and a few other issues which I've already knew about and sorted its an amazing rc. Traxxas needs to have Arrma do their gears, and Arrma needs to have Traxxas do their chassis design. Best bet to get both. The Arrma Xmaxx or Traxxas Kraton better yet the the Arrma XO-1:Limitless edition. Great video though very informative glad this popped up in my feed. Sub'd
The XMaxx just called for me a little louder......😂
My friend bought an XMAXX because every video he watched myself included said XMaxx is the most durable. I got a Kraton EXB 6s and expected problems according to UA-cam. So no problems at all with the Kraton max6 1650kv. XMaxx has had issues every time he goes out! The tires came apart first, the pins that hold the a-arms keep falling out. He doesn’t even drive hard.
Thank you for the honest Veiw. By the way the XMaxx is upgraded and hopefully be operating without issues.
Great Video, Great info, I have both and could not agree with you more. Keep up the good work.
I have my XMAXX 8S stock and have launched it time after time on the BMX track, and never had an issue with any of the items that you are discussing. No issues at all. I hope it stays that way. I have also have launched my XMAXX 15 to 20 feet into the air and landing on the hard dirt track. Hope you have better luck with yours. You might want to check out your modifications and see if everything is working in harmony together and not destroying itself.
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I've had the same experience. No problems at all with the gears or the speed control. I beat the crap out of it for 6 months, no issues. I installed a max 6 still on factory motor and gears, no issues. I think driving style makes a big difference.
Stock rear hubs too I bet ?
Yeah my xmaxx has had no issues with it's spur gear.... Been bashing for a few months now.
Also helps if you drill a notch in motor shaft to lock in the pinion set screw
They are both fantastic. And definitely don't sleep on the Outcast 8s! I own that too. It's insane..
I been running my xmaxx now for over a year still on stock esc, still on pinion and spur. Sometimes its about how you drive it
stevin tyska exactly. A lot of people are more aggressive like myself. If you jump a lot and are doing flips and stuff you will break parts. If you enjoy driving around on flat ground with no heavy jumps or anything the truck should last.
Dude I bash my Xmaxx shitless so I have a whole aluminum front end, upgraded servo, stronger bearings, had to boy 6 new batteries at 200 a piece cause I’m fucking dumb
@@mikeykelly8331 word you are lol just buy zees on Amazon and adapters for you stupid traxxas plug lol
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs I've broken 3 rpm a-arms, 2 drive cups, a carrier hub, and replaced all four wheels in about 1 year on my x-maxx. I haven't replaced the pro-line raptor body on it yet, but it looks like the top gear hilux. (incidentally, I borrowed an arrma notorious 6s for about a month and broke the lower plastic shock mount part twice - I bash hard!). still, aside from the tires, everything was super cheap to replace!
Maybe you didn’t send it 🤣🤣
For the pinion issue, degrease everything, motor shaft, pinion and set screw. Use something called Loctite bearing retainer on the round side of the shaft, where the set screw isn't, and then slide the pinion on, and use regular loctite for the set screw. The bearing retainer is gap filling, and will secure a bearing (or a pinion) to a shaft without anything else holding it on. I used it on a TRex 250 helicopter for the tail shaft bearings, as well as the pinion for the motor of that same heli. The pinion in that heli had no set screw, not flat side. The bearing retainer was the only thing securing the pinion
X-MAXX is a great bashing truck, gonna pull the plug and get the Arrma Kraton 8s myself. Nice comparison video! Subbed
Enjoyed the video, appreciate the extensive information on both RC Trucks, I have a better idea of what to look for
Thanks
I got my kraton 8’s about two weeks ago. They now calling it v2 because it have 20 million now in center diff. Now it comes with the new dx3 remote control.
New Sub here man! Great stuff and I appreciate the straight talk and honesty.
Good info on the electrics and issues with both trucks.
As for me, July 2020,im gonna try and get the Outcast 8s of course 🎯🚀🚀 but I do love both these trucks
You found one of the best channels if your into sending trucks insane distances over and over. You'll see when tou watch
great point and great review
This is by far the best, most unbiased and honest comparison vid I’ve seen on these trucks. Thanks. Having said that.....
I just got a Kraton 8s after Christmas. The exploded view diagram says the center diff already has 20mill diff fluid.
Yeah Arrma changed to 20 million in the center diff. The first release of the v1.5 still had 1 million in them. Changing the center diff to 20 million is no longer a worry.
I read the other day what i think sounds like a good idea for keeping the pinion on. Grind the end of the set screw that bottoms out on the motor shaft flat. Set screws usually have a little rounded end...i guess if you grind it flat it will give you a better bite on the motor shaft. Don’t know if it will help...but it sounded like a solid idea lol.
Better still would be metal weld or a well engineered pinion that has to be heated enough for thermal expansion to just get it over the shaft. Once cooled - solid fit from ALL sides and uniformly. Forgot to add, the bite is only better if the mating surfaces have 1) an increased surface area and 2) more friction from being tighter. Problem is that's more stress on the 1 small area (the grub crew and threaded section of the pinion)
For 2) the only method is to tighten more, but for 1 and 2 without being able to re-engineer the pinion, your method is a good idea.
By flattening the head (male) into a point of the shaft you make the same shape (a flattened section - female) you increase the contact area of screw and shaft and friction. Your (lol) idea is science and it will help a lot :-) go for it. Because you think, it is a good idea you where capable of coming up with by yourself before you read about it. Just take care not to narrow the shaft by over doing it, you want the minimal material away but flat on flat. Do the start work with a Dremel (I don't have one) for speed but finish with a fine file. The Dremel is a rotary tool and you want as flatter surface as possible and that's why a file is better once you find a way to lock the shaft from spinning! while you work on it. A Dremel is probably the best option when working at 90 degrees to the shaft but you still want to keep it from moving so maybe get the cog on just enough to use the screw to tighten it onto the top of the shaft.
Also bear in mind this very fast little cog isn't doing the torque work, it's doing the effort work by number of cycles....later stages of the drive train have the torque issues. My answer was over detailed I guess but sometimes you have to trust logic and not other people. It takes confidence to do stunts and tricks with a large mass that is potential energy moving at a great speed that could actually kill you, so have some faith in tinkering your toys to make them better :-) Engineering and science.
Man I almost bought an Xmas nice truck loved the power but didn’t seeing your video now I see why thanks.
Thanks for the great input on the differences between the XMAXX vs Kraton 👍🏻. I have the Kraton 8s and have been thinking of getting the Xmaxx. Now I know if I pull the trigger on purchasing the XMAXX I will need to purchase some additional stuff like a spur gear and pinion gear. As well I did click the like and I subscribed
Allegedly the newer xmaxes have machining pinions & spurs.
Make sure to grab RPM rear hubs. Most important upgrade. Weird this guy didn't mention it.
Ya my gears have been perfect 👌 not a problem anymore
Im a complete noob who beat the piss out of my xmaxx and havent had any gear issues. Nobody i know has.
Very nice video and comparison 👌I like Arrma vehicles, but I still have a huge hunger for X-maxx. Hopefully I can get one sooner or later 😁🤘
You helped a lot but, now I'm even more unsure.. glad I have a Losi Baja Rey Raptor and two Arrma Mojave V2 too keep me entertained while I make up my mind✔️
Noticed the great hobbies sticker. Great Canadian hobby store that always treat you right
Yes that they do.
Thanks for the info buddy, it helps a lot, seems like the x Maxx needs to put their system more towards the front so it doesn't "wheelie " so much
Easy you just get a kraton
Never had an issue with the xmaxx for stock.
I agree, he’s on drugs
Nope. I had problems getting away from stock. Except servo
I got an X-maxx last year and love that thing. I haven't had any issues with the pinion or spur other that the pinion coming loose a couple of times. I put some lock tight on there and that seemed to fix the issue. I run all the electronics stock and haven't had any major issues. The ESC overheated a couple times, but after I beat the heck out of that truck. I am not easy on that truck. Broke the body the first time out after I jumped it 30+ feet. The thing is built like a tank and I have no complaints as of yet. I may get the Max 6 ESC at some point, but I definitely don't recommend getting anything until the stock components break. It really is a complete waste of money. Also, get the unbreakable body and Proline Badland tires. You will not be disappointed.
I had the problem with pinion on many of my different RC trucks. For the hell of it I decided to load the pinion screw with red thread locker but before putting the set screw into the pinion I let that threadlocker sit for about a half hour to stiffen it up and thicken it up just a little bit I let it dry and then I installed it and it's still on the truck today I did it to every one of my RC vehicles and I haven't had a problem since
I am going to give that a try. Thanks for the tip.
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs You can also try some CA glue (super glue). If there will be a need to take it off, just warm it using soldering iron and CA glue lets go and you can take it off. I did such quick fix with my pivot balls which stripped suspension arms. Of course suspension geometry was not setup correctly so when I came back to home I just warmed it and glue let go without any damage to plastic axle carrier or suspension arms.
Nice vid - thank you! Did you ever sort out the pinion issue?
Great video on both trucks.. that happens to my friends Xmaxx all the time ..🏎💨🤝💯
Oh geez. :(
I got an xmaxx, with hot racing swaybar and love as its body roll less. I also have the set screw backout at full speed one time n it’s was scare as hell as there is no stoping force. Haven’t broke anything except the high speed launch and stop on pavement n broke couple tooth’s on the spur.
Since changing out the stock servo I can’t keep the XMAXX running. Went through 4 in the past month. The pinion problem happened to me once and never again. Have the worst luck in the world with my EREVO 2.0. Esc, servos, motors, you name it. RC has endless variables.
Cool content brother,👍
I have an 8S Xmaxx with a max6 and 20T tekno pinion and 50T GDS spur gear and have never had an issue with the pinion coming lose. The tekno pinion has a much larger grub screw.
Great video I'm getting the kraton
I’ve also been running my XMaxx for over six months and broke a bumper bracket or two but my stock gears are still perfect.. and by no means am I easy on it...
I got sick of comparing and bought them both, LOL
I’m trying to figure out a way not to get murdered by my wife when I buy one
@@milldinho I am having the same problem haha, time to sell some my other rc trucks.
I did the same haha, except chose for the Outcast 8s instead of the Kraton 8s
Hell yeah! What do u like better?
@@Todd_G_FPV
The XMAXX is the funnest but the Kraton is a blast to race on a track.
the pinion, gear and max 6, do these that you mentioned that are more durable make it alot faster as well? since the stock is around 43 mph
Great Video 👍
I would love to see a side by side and running comparison of all the different wheel combinations you have on the truck !
I've just bought some Louise x Pioneers , interested to see how the power hobby raptors would perform aswell !
I am going to be doing one shortly. I received my 24mm wheel nuts for the Xmaxx.
Would you be able.to.advise what size bolt.or.nut is used for decorative effect on each wheel ( the ones around the main hub )?
I've ordered some Raptors and I was thinking of swapping the little nuts or bolts for red aluminium ones for effect !
Matthew Latham they come that way.
Make a flat spot with a dremel on the motor shaft where the grub screw goes in; you will never have loose pinion again!
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Super video and good comparison. I have the X-Maxx among other cars and now I'm gonna get the Kraton 8s! And you're guilty because of your video!
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been torn between buying a Kraton or an XMaxx, and internal conflict i always arrive at is one where i'm thinking "if i buy an xmaxx, i'm going to be tearing out at least ~300 bucks worth of what i paid for out of the box". this video sealed the deal for me. i'm going with the Kraton XBR roller.
I want a truck I don’t have to work on every time I take it out. The Kreaton for me. Thank you!
99% of people would say go with the xmaxx then... this dude just has bad luck or isnt doing something right. Look st the comments all disagreeing
Just like you check everything else.. its mass produce so every model is not the same but great video 👏
3 of us have been bashing xmaxxs for months with stock pinions dude never an issue
The clear choice is to get both!
Exactly! 😉
Sana all
Thats not what I get from it Kraton all day IMO
Marvin Headrick I have both but love my 8s Kraton more.
You can most like use a file and a a small pair of vice grips to extend that flat.
The Arrma behave like an Erevo . I love both these truck.
What size are the hatchet x wheels on xmaxx... Yea now that I got a upgraded xmaxx I'ma get the kraton next v2
Six months and counting on my pinion and spur on my xmaxx. Only had the pinion come loose. Added lock tight and still going. Just depends id say
Damn...your x maxx looks like something I would buy straight out of the box today.....congratulations on an awesome rig...I recently got a cen reeper and I've had no problems its fuckn awesome the only thing I see needs help is it could be wider on wheel stance I'm thinking the weak shock oil swapped for thicker oil would offset that and keep it planted or add extra shocks which should definitely negate the suspension roll
I’ll be getting another one. I only sold mine because I got a great offer on it.
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs I was really interested in the x maxx....but damn it's got too many problems its not worth the extra investment...but yours is definitely the best one I've seen I'm impressed and the enthusiasm you have for the hobby really shows in the video I'll b subscribing......
I have both of theses trucks also,,,,I noticed you didn’t mention the weakness of the kraton chassis,,,I bent mine just doing mild bashing...now I guess I’m going to spring for the m2c chassis,,which is not the cheapest thing to purchase,,,but is needed. Along with straightening or replacing the chassis supports and replacing the rear diff housing,,,I consider this a huge miss on armma part,,,,hope they improve this issue,,,,,other than that. I love both of these units,,,wouldn’t trade them for the world......great stuff....
I didn’t get into that as I have not had any issues with the chassis bending. It may be the new braces... not sure. But I usually try only to comment on issues I have had. And as of now my chassis is still good.
Installed the Radical RC Bash Bar, pretends the chassis from getting buffed down, and adds strength.
Yup... Bought a Mojave, lasted a few runs (guess I'm hard on it🤙) Had to replace the chassis with M2C, M2C +2 hubs, M2C shock tower braces, M2C shock standoffs, Vitavon diff cases, CRCU hinge pin holders, Basherqueen full carbon fiber set, GPM braces, HR brace holders, HR hub carriers, hi kg servo, motor fan, chassis cover, GPM axles full set and thicker springs. Did I miss anything🤣
@@surfside75 Yup, I believe in upgrading for strength...but not going overboard,,just enough to strengthen in crucial areas....I finally got mine right without the expensive add ones,,,,no issues yet,,and I’m also pretty hard on my stuff.....RIP IT...👈😀
What kind of run time do you get out of both trucks before you have to recharge batteries
Link or list of must upgrades for the x maxxx out of box would be awesome!
i like using tekno pinion gears because it has a larger set screw
& really not a fair contest comparing a modified X Maxx to a stock K8s
But good video
My pinion and spur have lasted the first 2 packs so I think it's prolly more about how you are punching it off the line. Mine is brand new, swapped out to Max 5 ESC before I eeven ran it, no problem with spur and pinion. BUT I am on punch level 3 and not really popping on it hard at the start. Also we have the same charger, hyperion. What PSU are you using? I am using a 12v 750 watt but kinda wondering about the 24v upgrade.
What if you check the clearance between gears before you run it?
I am a proud Arrma outcast owner and a buddy of mine is a die hard Traxxas guy. Hahaha sorry about his broken luck. All I can say is dont waste the money on the xmaxx any same level Arrma rc is better than any of the price comparable rc period. I have killed many models and hands down Arrma is the beast. Great video and sorry about the dust collector. J/s
Thanks! I think I will get the outcast 8s soon or wait for an upgrade version
I was having the same issue with my XMAXX. Now the Kraton has a snap ring in the motor shaft to stop the pinion from sliding. I am receiving my Kraton 8S Monday. Sick of the XMAXX pinion issue. Now would I be able to put a snap ring on the Traxxas motor shaft???
i drill a divett into my motorshafts where the grub screw lands, that way the it has somewhere to sit and locks in nicely, those shafts arent hardened and drill and grind easily, if you go with the 1600kv that 20T is gonna be fast as hell! maybe even too much, if you do the 1600 id buy your 1275 as mine burnt up today! you could go either way
Good to know. I honestly assumed they would have been hardened.
I’m picking mine up next week. (Traxxas Xmaxx) What should I buy to have as extra. And what should I upgrade immediately? Thanks guys
you've had some bad luck with the Xmaxx, the only problem i've had was some bad bearings and that's it
I had the same problem with the opinion i used tire glue instead of loctite hasn't come off yet that one yr ago 🙃
How do you like those hatchet x tires?
Nothing beats an XMAXX
I am not a Traxxas fan boy at all actually I hate a Traxxas vehicles but the xmaxx is awesome,...Technically you don't have to buy anything for a new X-Maxx 8s, if the speed control does go bad within a month or six months then you can upgrade it at that point, the new tires are absolutely fine as long as you're not driving like an idiot and letting them round out like crazy, so far my pinion and spur have held up and I've had the truck for a month if they do break then I'll upgrade but none of this has to be done before you leave the hobby shop, some people have bad luck absolutely I believe that....but that goes with every ready to run car. The X-Maxx at least looks and drives like a monster truck The arrma would be awesome but it's not a monster truck it's just a big truggy which is why a lot of people aren't interested in it if they actually made a monster truck I'm sure they would do a wonderful job and probably sell a ton.
You are correct .
Are you using a stainless set screw on the pinion? Stainless always backs out especially in 1/5 scale applications.
Nope.
It’s you dude never had my pinion come loose 2 years
Nice collection
Now! Be fair with the Redcat R5 too!!! Lol 😆 GREAT VIDEO
How about the Arrma outcast 8s? I'm stuck between the Kraton 8s or outcast 8s
Awesome 💯💯🔥🔥
Have you tried using a drill bit to dimple where the set screw goes ?
It works
All good and ARRMA is a excellent brand no doubt. However I could never get into their body shells... YUK! Without the body on it looks awesome just like the XMAXX. Other than that both are awesome machines👍
Have you run into Xmaxx servo issues? I have toasted two 2085X servos recently. I think it might be the HR servo saver.
They don’t like water
Shouldn’t you change the shock fluid on the kraton?
I just bought two 4S batteries and a charger in prep for an X-Maxx and now I'm a bit pissed I'm gonna have to order parts and I don't have the truck yet.
I have the same with my losi lst xxl. And my team associated rc8.t
Rc8.t never ever breaks. Losi is bigger and looks cooler. But always problems.
So we can conclude, truggy or truggy based mt's are better
I have my stock tires and spur and pi no problem but change out the ESC
Thank you
Cool video . I just sold my xmaxx i'm just done with it.
What did you replace it with?
Man we need details on your decision process😐
What’s faster out the box, Xmaxx or k8?
I had a Traxxas T-max & it broke EVERYTIME I drove it i then bought a XTR mammoth & I absolutely luv it it will do circles around the t max
Jason, how do You clean Your cars? They look like brand new from the box, never used :D
I run a lot on grass. They don’t ever get really dirty unless the grass is wet.
Great video. Subscribe for sure !
Still running original 6s xmaxx,never lost pionion,always 17/54,, 6s tires suck. Best tire still traxxas ,lightest is best for all rc. Still original gears to date. Kershaw design wheels make xmaxx handle like kraton,less out of control wheelies. Over size wheel bearings are the must. Still run slipper with 8s gears
Nice looking Rcs
Use washers and push your motor back a bit then you wont have to dremal the shaft on the motor?
Have you got a link for the duratrax hatchet wheels and tyres please
Cen reeperv2 will be the xmaxx killer lol good vid thanks
Sadly no it won’t. Not because it won’t be a better truck. But because people won’t buy it.
Cen Reeper? What's that?
Just kidding, but might as well be the case when you compare X-Maxx to it. Same can be said if you compare the Kraton 8s to the Cen. I never even seen a Cen Reeper in person.
Hi buddy just a quick ? has the 8s X max stranded ESC have a punch control option.. mine seems a little sluggish on acceleration running 24 /46 spur
Sadly no. That’s why the max 6 is such a nice option.
@@JasonPerrinRCVlogs Thanks for the reply .. Its a shame there is no punch setting does need it now after changing spur at pinion gears. I just set up for jumping. May have to change pinion gear down. Maybe its the badlands mx wheels that have weighed it down a little This truck is new to me but love the hobby so easy to spend money on it..lol
Red locktite is pretty hardcore stuff. I cant believe it worked itself loose. Man that sucks. Weld it.
Anybody try raising up the body mounts on the Kraton 8s and put a proline raptor body on it?