XForcePC's take on monitors for X-Plane

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  • @jellowiggler
    @jellowiggler 4 роки тому +6

    Hey Michael, thanks for the video. Good to see some of these PC enthusiat issues specifically from the point of view of someone who wants to run Xplane. Austin and the Xplane community is fortunate to have a vendor so willing to tightly integrate for that application use.
    Thank you for all the benchmarking and testing all of the CPU, video card, sim hardware, monitors, etc....
    You really have presented specialize information in a format that the related community can easily digest and refer to. I'm sure it great benefits your business, but also provides a service to the Xplane, Sim and PC market as well. Proven info is always fantastic.
    I know that you have done 3 x 49" 1080p displays horizontally.
    What I would like to see is 2 x 49" 1080 or 1440p display, but one stacked up on the other. so that you get the vertical depth and the super wide view, and it's only 2 displays. That might be the best display setup, excluding physical interface systems.

  • @mb2308
    @mb2308 5 років тому +5

    Appreciate the time you took to make this video...I cannot find a better made or more informative vid anywhere....Thank You!

  • @curtusua
    @curtusua 5 років тому +2

    Very nice tutorial, Michael. I bought the 49 inch super ultrawide and for me, the tradeoff between the lateral field of view and having to scan downwards to monitor the instruments is a very minor inconvenience and since many flights are using the autopilot, scanning the instruments while enjoying the wide vistas is actually realistic IMHO. Please keep up the great video tutorials as finding flight simulation specific information on all the technical issues is priceless. 🙂

    • @lst141
      @lst141 5 років тому

      Curtis Hughes
      Hi have you tried your 49 with two other 27?

  • @rahalwidanagamage
    @rahalwidanagamage 5 років тому +4

    Very informative video for those who want to buy a monitor. Thank you very much. I think few things could be added if there would be a part 2 if in future.
    1. The Gsync or free sync compatible monitors. I experienced a huge smoothening of my flight experience even at 24 FPS level with my Gsync monitor. It got rid of stutter which was annoying especially when I come to land or when I turn my head left or right or up or down.
    2. Curved monitors
    Thanks again for your videos. I learn lot from them.

    • @xforcepc
      @xforcepc  5 років тому +1

      Yeah, I have some g-sync and free-sync monitors, myself. I even have that crazy expensive 27" 144Hz IPS GSync panel from Acer at home ($2000 when I got it, about $1600 now). I figured I would save adaptive refresh for another video as this one was pretty long. Perhaps soon, though.

    • @TrueBlade-1889
      @TrueBlade-1889 5 років тому

      So does G sync work between, say, 30 and 60 fps for X plane ? It doesn't in P3D.

  • @bjornkroger6860
    @bjornkroger6860 Рік тому

    Cool explanaition. I wish you had done this earlier. I want to add another advantage for the IPS-Panels which is very important for the multi monitor setups. The IPS panels have on technical reasons the smallest bezel, which improves the view a lot. I discovers this to late and need to replace step by step my VA panels. By the way you can run more panels on 4K with X-Plane (me: 5 monitors) if you use more computers. X-Plane allows the connectiosn view network, which is for a cockpit build with 270° view angle very cool.

  • @MyFlightTV1
    @MyFlightTV1 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for this super helpful video, Michael. Really appreciate all you do for the X-Plane community. :-)

  • @TravelLinkED
    @TravelLinkED 5 років тому +2

    Another great video!
    Thanks Michael!

  • @stephengale7177
    @stephengale7177 Рік тому

    It should be stream. Sorry for the spelling mistake. I hope all is well with you and your loved ones. As always I can’t put into words how much I appreciate the effort you put into your stream.
    I think they call it native resolution (recommend) with the Nivea settings.

  • @cjl76
    @cjl76 4 роки тому +1

    Very beneficial, thank you Michael

  • @griffinboy1
    @griffinboy1 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the video! Great break down! I have been researching on what to use for the visuals in my home cockpit build. I would just like to add "input lag" to the list of variables when considering a monitor, tv or projector for a sim set up. It is the time it takes from an "action" or "player input" until it shows up on screen in milliseconds. This is balanced against the sim's frame rate of 33.33-16.67 ms per frame at 30-60 Hz. Monitors are typically very fast at 8ms or less (half a frame). LCD/LED TVs are 16-50 ms (1-3 frames) while projectors are still above 40ms (2.5 frames) and could be as high as 100ms (6 frames) for some of the new 4k lasers.

  • @DC3Refom
    @DC3Refom 4 роки тому

    I'm still rocking my Samsung 24 inch monitor 1080p lcd monitor from 2010, still looks as good as new and is still working great

  • @ricktana
    @ricktana 5 років тому +3

    Great video, Michael. Your earlier videos motivated me to go with a 3-screen; 1080P; 50" TV; 60-degree wrap-around setup. I have a moderately beefy system that gives me around 30 FPS. However, when I try to add a 4th monitor (iPad using Duet Display), I drop into the lower 20's. I was curious from watching your videos on using onboard graphics if you have tried running a 3-monitor setup and use the onboard graphics card to run one or two additional monitors (or iPads) as instruments? My dream sim would be to run the RealSimGear G1000 suite along with the 3-TV setup. Since you already have the resources, I would love to see a video that demonstrates this if it is doable. I thoroughly enjoy your content, Michael.

    • @larryjay
      @larryjay 5 років тому

      I have three 24 inch 1080P (left cockpit right) along with a 27 inch 1080P for navigraph/littlenavmap. PC is i7-8700K at 4.8 Ghz with a nVidia 1080ti. Decent FPS but dives to 25 fps with complicated scenery and ortho. So four monitors is possible with a higher end PC. I wonder if anyone has been running the two wing monitor views on a separate PC linked to the main PC which produces the cockpit and auxiliar views? Michael's videos are excellent!

    • @ricktana
      @ricktana 5 років тому

      @Scott Menard Scott, Thanks for your input. My question was based on some earlier videos Michael produced where he states that you can run both a dedicated graphics card and the onboard graphics card on the motherboard at the same time. In order for it to work, you have to enable the onboard graphics card in the bios. Here is one of the three videos he produced showing how to do it: ua-cam.com/video/wmIOuruxGfY/v-deo.html
      I have an old 1080P monitor and a 1080P TV sitting around the house that I may try hooking up to see if it works. I was hoping someone else has already tried it to save me the trouble in case it doesn't work. I'll let you know what my results are. Thanks.

    • @ricktana
      @ricktana 5 років тому +1

      @Scott Menard Scott, I was able to successfully add two additional displays (1080P TVs) using the onboard graphics on the motherboard. This is in addition to the three 50" 1080P TV's I use in a 60-degree wraparound with dedicated graphics. Enabling the onboard graphics card in the bios was easy once I Googled how to do it. When I booted up the PC, the Display Settings showed all 5 displays. It did manage to mess up my multi-display settings in X-Plane, but that was easily remedied. My overall performance using 5 displays was better than my previous experience with 4 displays using dedicated graphics, but it still wasn't great. When using 3 displays only, flying the X-Aviation TBM900, I was seeing 32-34 FPS. When I dragged the G1000 PFD display to the 4th display (onboard graphics), the FPS drops to about 25 FPS. When I dragged the G1000 MFD to the 5th display (onboard graphics), my FPS dropped to 22-23. My past experience using "Duet Display" on an iPad as a 4th display (dedicated graphics) gave me the same 22-23 FPS. So, even though 23 FPS is not that great, I achieved the same FPS while adding a 5th monitor to the mix. X-Plane Settings: Scenery - Low to mid complexity - a rural airport; Graphics settings were set pretty high, but not max. Lower settings would have given me improved performance. I was encouraged though by what I was able to achieve. I believe the resolution of the displays on the RealSimGear G1000 is only 800X600, so the FPS should be slightly better than two 1080P displays. All I need now is the latest-generation processor and a 2080-Ti. Yikes! $$$
      My PC specs: i7-8700K overclocked to 5.0 GHz; Asus GTX-1080, also overclocked; 32GB Ram

  • @phillipbeharall6271
    @phillipbeharall6271 4 роки тому

    As alway very informative and yes I am not very technically minded but you always put it across for the layman it’s professional easy to understand and fun to watch your videos many thanks Michael 😀👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @samueldye2772
    @samueldye2772 5 років тому +3

    As mentioned by others, TrackIR 5 solves many problems with cockpit views on monitors with limitations.

  • @robertrent5218
    @robertrent5218 5 років тому +1

    Very useful information, greatly simplifies choosing a monitor for X-Plane. Kudos. Question: What are your thoughts on striving for high X-Plane frame rates when using a 60hz monitor? Are high-end CPUs and GPUs a waste of money when using a 60hz monitor. Thanks again for your contributions to the X-Plane community.

  • @SimPilot-dl8zy
    @SimPilot-dl8zy 5 років тому +1

    This all great info thanks but could you supply some information about using 4K Tv’s that more and more of us are using.
    What should we be looking for.
    Thank you

  • @zanster8336
    @zanster8336 4 роки тому +1

    You forgot black levels. After playing games on VA panel i can never go back to IPS simply becaus the black is close to flawless and the IPS panels have massive screen tearing issues in my experience. playing on VA panel with no need to use vsynk or freesync/gsync and also getting black nights and good collor is unbeatable. Remember that for any sim games IPS collors are just going overboard and evreything looks over collored and fake.

  • @nploates
    @nploates 5 років тому

    Another useful video, thanks. Just one observation. If you can set up a single 27” monitor so that enough instruments are visible, i.e. the typical home setup, I don’t fully understand why it is not possible to set up the ultra wide monitor (equivalent to two 27” monitors) with the same view in the middle as the single monitor, but with the advantage of more scenery on both sides.

    • @ricktana
      @ricktana 5 років тому

      The advantage of the ultra-wide monitor is to allow a greater field of view. The greater the field of view is from left to right, the narrower your field of view is from top to bottom. Thus, not allowing as easy a view of your instruments. Russ Barlow has a great video explaining Field of View. ua-cam.com/video/PjdgOBJ5xkQ/v-deo.html

  • @andrevdw747
    @andrevdw747 4 роки тому

    Great Michael, thanks for the clear explanation 👍🏻

  • @TCovey210
    @TCovey210 4 роки тому

    always super informative... waiting for my XForce box excited.

  • @In0vat0r
    @In0vat0r 3 роки тому

    I’ve been working with three displays; an Apple Cinema HD connected to an AMD Radeon 5770 HD card which shows the Instructor Operating Station and an HP-25x, and an old Oleva 40” TV, connected to an NVIDIA Titan X (12GB) and struggled to get more than 45 FPS. Once I added an NVME PCIe drive, my frame rates almost doubled - I can get near 100 FPS even on the Apple Cinema HD Display. Most of the rendering load appears to be the exterior scenery. It would be nice if there was a way to have one video card do the cockpit and another do the scenery. On a related note, with XP 11.50 I don’t see more than about 3GB of Textures being loaded onto the Titan X, even tho it has 12GB of VRAM.

  • @jean-christophemichel2051
    @jean-christophemichel2051 3 роки тому

    Thank you Michael for helping us to understand the different monitors technologies and thus to make the best choice suited to our needs.
    Personally, and after seeing this video I think I will go for the DELL USB-C 4k Ultrasharp43: U4320Q in 16: 9 and 3840x2160 format.
    The 49 inch is too stretched for me.
    I will then switch to the NVIDIA 3090 graphics card to take advantage of this monitor under X-plane 11.51.
    One question: Does the power of the processor (CPU and not GPU) have an impact on the ability to manage a monitor parameter as refresh rate or pixel response ?
    (normally no I think ?)

  • @ola.ljungqvist1966
    @ola.ljungqvist1966 5 років тому

    Hi Michael, this is by far the best video you've made. Extremely basic and great for guiding me in the monitor jungle. Not so fun though when you ditched the TN panels, as I have three of them ;) Are you saying that a regular TV would do the job when it comes to X-Plane?

  • @iNeoN50
    @iNeoN50 5 років тому +2

    49" UltraWide + TrackIR rocks!

  • @ChrisH-so1id
    @ChrisH-so1id 4 роки тому

    Hi Michael - Really enjoy your videos. Question for you - in many of your videos you show using a TV as a monitor for flight sim. Do you recommend a TV over a monitor if desk space permits? I realize there are probably pros and cons to both (TV vs monitor). I find that the cost of getting a TV is much better than the cost of many monitors I see today, especially larger monitors, and wonder why more and more people do not move that direction.

  • @davidstewart3804
    @davidstewart3804 3 роки тому

    Wondering if three 27 inch curved monitors would work well with x plane 11?

  • @AlexBoltonKing
    @AlexBoltonKing 5 років тому +4

    What would the performance be if you stacked two Super Ultra Wides on top of each other?

    • @rayzimmermin
      @rayzimmermin 4 роки тому

      ya a ultra wide is basically 2 1080p if you took that and stacked it you would basically have 4 1080p that is equaled to 1 4k but your using twice the screens thus taking the preference hit at that point you might as well just have a 60' 4k TV hooked up

  • @stephengale7177
    @stephengale7177 Рік тому

    I know this seam was a long time ago. I have a question and I hope it is alright to ask.
    What do you think of using TV. Do you use the recommended resolution or cut back to the 1920 x 1080.

  • @reginaldcrudstump383
    @reginaldcrudstump383 4 роки тому

    Very useful - thanks for making this.

  • @Zelig2Cents
    @Zelig2Cents 5 років тому +1

    Having worked with TVs & other consumer electronics for over 20 years, I'm now trying to come up to speed with how TVs for the home compare to computer monitors. When I left the A/V field over 4 years ago, a 60 Hz TV was garbage, a 120 Hz TV was ho-hum, a good TV was 240 Hz, and a great TV was 480 Hz. So it's odd to hear about 60 Hz refresh rate again. My key question though is about the resolution. In the case of TVs, a 4k TV did not mean you had to FEED it a 4k signal. If you fed it a 1080p signal, it would simply upconvert that 1080p signal to a 4k signal internally, meaning that processing demand was NOT on the source feeding it. So my question is, why not get a 4k monitor to anticipate future PC hardware upgrades, but just feed it a 1080p signal? You gain some modest resolution improvement via the upconversion internally in the monitor, preserve future upgradeability, all without putting any additional workload on the graphics card at all. Do computer monitors not have that upconversion skillset? My second question is where we stand with respect to LED or OLED monitors for Flight Sim? Especially, LED monitors with local dimming (which yields better black level and therefore better contrast). My sense is that although OLED has the best contrast with black really being black and therefore better visibility in night scenes; it is still too susceptible to "burn in", the phenomenon where a static image - such as the airplane frame around the windshield - eventually becomes a permanent ghost image in the screen. However, LED with local dimming has improved contrast dramatically over "run of the mill" LED. P.S. You are 100% right about the off axis viewing performance advantage of IPS panels! Thanks again Michael for your invaluable help and I hope I didn't get too nerdy on this!

  • @rayzimmermin
    @rayzimmermin 4 роки тому

    y'all should look into an app called spacedesk it runs on you PC and allows you to use anything with a screen and a web browser as a monitor for your PC but for Android and iOS thy have dedicated apps and best part is its free
    at that point even your phone can be used to display instruments or even check list
    also one thing you did not point out is yes a bigger monitor is not more pixels and thus is not harder to run but just larger pixels but that mean everything is bigger by default thus you can push back or zoom out your camera view and still be able to read instruments thus giving you a larger filed of view
    so 1 4k 60' or bigger TV might be a really good option because from a couple feet away it might be all you need because it is basically as big as you interment panels

  • @Alan_Edwards
    @Alan_Edwards 4 роки тому

    Great video. Very informative. Will definitely help me spend my money wisely.

  • @wellingtondefoe1127
    @wellingtondefoe1127 3 роки тому

    Hi Michael I was looking at your videos on how to connect the g1000 bezel to x plane. I got x plane 11 and I am having problems connecting thoes bezels. the problem I am having is this excutive file you said that x plane downloads I dont know where to find that file. you talk about it but you didnt say where you find it. can you please help me? and if other people are seeing this file can ull help me out with connecting this g1000? thanks in advance

  • @Sim737Pilot
    @Sim737Pilot 4 роки тому

    That's what the view hat switch is for.

  • @stewartsstewart1089
    @stewartsstewart1089 3 роки тому

    How many monitor can X-plane 11 support and can be used?

  • @lapulla32
    @lapulla32 5 років тому

    Hi Mike good job. Can you explain about this from the x-plane manual "Lining Up the Horizon (Without Vertical Offsets)" for triple monitor. I have a triple monitor setup and never understood this section of the manual. Also I notice on my lateral monitors the Horizon is not straight with the main monitor, tended to go up, Why?

  • @Fgswift21
    @Fgswift21 4 роки тому

    Why when I have 2 monitors attached to my pc. I only want plane to use 1. When I click a button on xplane the second monitor clones the first monitor. When I click on the 2nd monitor the xplane clone goes away. How come?

  • @johnpesale3896
    @johnpesale3896 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the great videos,curious about g-sync monitors or free sync monitors,is this a feature I would want in a 27 ips 1080p monitor ?? Thanks again for your informative videos.

  • @FungedeBagre
    @FungedeBagre 4 роки тому

    Excellent!

  • @GrubbyGrupper
    @GrubbyGrupper 4 роки тому

    How about a single 43” monitor 4K with track IR? Thanks

  • @adventurwithken412
    @adventurwithken412 4 роки тому

    Thanks Michael. I just bought a LG 43UM73 tv for my Xplane. But I can’t even notice any difference in terms of what I see. Can I ME you?

  • @flavianojose8423
    @flavianojose8423 4 роки тому

    Hi there, hope you are doing more than great, like your videos but still need some help from you, if its possible for you to do that and I will be very glad, I have 6 monitor IPS FHD each 24 inchs set for the viewing, I say IPS because they do not change image or color if you move around left right up or down it keeps the same image quality, and as well 3 monitor that shows the instruments with air manager and 1 for instructor station, in total I have 10 monitors on my homemade cockpit. so far I do not run all the monitors because of my computer that is weak for that, my question is: what is the best specs computer I should get to make this settings of monitor run the X plane 11 to get a decent FPS, right now I can only run up to 4 monitors, 3 for instruments and 1 for the view.
    Thanks in advance

  • @ericc7936
    @ericc7936 5 років тому

    i'm running 2 monitors. one a 144hz the other 60hz. i'm losing auto pilot always is that a factor of the monitors? ge force 106 6g video card. 16 mb of ram and tomahawk b350 mb. any advice?

  • @fingerhorn4
    @fingerhorn4 5 років тому +1

    I have never understood the point of an ultra wide screen and another screen with addon gauges. Most third party aircraft are now designed with extremely accurate and well executed panels that are faithful renderings of the actual panel. With various camera addons it is now very easy to focus in on gauge detail when needed. The eyes and brain do not process forward views in this letter box way. So a vertically narrow monitor is just not a natural way of looking at the world or scenery. Cinematic or ultra wide monitors cut off just too much vertical view even without a panel.

  • @bjornkroger6860
    @bjornkroger6860 Рік тому

    I have a questions... there are alot of powerfull computer components available (overclocked CPU, Graphics (NVidea 4090/4080, Memory with 5600Mhz, NMe Harddrives, Watercooling, etc.) Is it possible to check out and compare the best combination and give an advise on reasonable, budget and performance systems, which will be good for the highest framerates? I know that you offer your own computers and this will maybe gives a good oppertunity for you and the community to find the best. For overclocked CPU's you will find them on CASEKING, tested with gurantee.

  • @mercster
    @mercster 4 роки тому

    Flight simulator, moving around in the cockpit? What, Michael? :) Maybe if you have more than one display but, uh... When I fly XPlane 11 I don't move my head at all, and viewing angle doesn't come into it. Hell, even with a 2 or 3 monitor setup, noone in a flight sim is drastically moving their viewing angles.
    Other than that, great video. Listen, I'm a geek too, it's tempting to always want the best, whether it matters or not. But I thought your example here was a little weird.

  • @scottgillies7274
    @scottgillies7274 5 років тому +2

    For a shoot like this, autofocus is not your friend.

    • @xforcepc
      @xforcepc  5 років тому

      Yeah, I know. It is doing face tracking, so it focuses on my face when I look at the camera. Should I set the focus on the white-board in this case? Or, should I just turn off the face tracking and otherwise leave the focus to auto? What do you suggest?

    • @larryjay
      @larryjay 5 років тому

      Maybe, but Michaels content about X-Plane is the best on UA-cam. I don't care if the production doesn't rival NBC Nightly News

    • @scottgillies7274
      @scottgillies7274 5 років тому +1

      @@xforcepc Michael, for the majority of this video I would recommend sticking with manual focus. Ideally set your camera up so the aperture isn't too large so that the depth of field will allow for both your face and the whiteboard to be in focus at the same time. Lock it there and forget it.