The Most Cursed Game Ever Made

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  • Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
  • Skullgirls is a Fighting Game I've always loved, so I thought I'd go over the cursed history of its development. If there's any misinformation in this video regarding Alex Ahad, Mike Zaimont, or anybody else involved, please let me know. We'd be more than willing to do a followup video if anything was wrong.
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    EDITED BY: @kazuMT
    VARIETY CHANNEL: @ducksenpond
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    0:00 Intro
    1:03 A Shaky Launch
    3:07 The Development Team Gets Laid Off
    4:19 The Fans Ruin Everything
    6:37 The Game Gets Deleted
    8:19 Internal Chaos
    12:23 The Self-Censorship Era
    14:55 Outro
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  • @m.i.g.2023
    @m.i.g.2023 8 місяців тому +551

    Skullgirls 2nd Encore: is literaly going through hell and back
    Skullgirls Mobile: Can you be quiet, I'm trying to sleep!

    • @Bicorn711
      @Bicorn711 8 місяців тому +126

      I swear encore and mobile players live in parallel dimensions

    • @Meleedroit
      @Meleedroit 8 місяців тому +61

      ​@@Bicorn711honestly i didnt even know encore existed until now, i just thought it was as perfectly functional as mobile

    • @nuclearpancake3683
      @nuclearpancake3683 8 місяців тому

      @@Bicorn711us mobile players are in heaven rn

    • @ImNotFunny541
      @ImNotFunny541 7 місяців тому +1

      lol

    • @zz_mortal1925
      @zz_mortal1925 7 місяців тому +6

      Encore is bad or not cuz I'm playing mobile,
      I guess we live in different parallels

  • @randomguythatlikeshorrorga9588
    @randomguythatlikeshorrorga9588 8 місяців тому +1108

    You hate the new update because they removed parts of the story, I hate it because the funny russian voice guy is no longer there

    • @hyperEM._
      @hyperEM._ 8 місяців тому +29

      Real

    • @nuetella9764
      @nuetella9764 8 місяців тому +51

      Real. I missed mike's voice

    • @freshlymemed5680
      @freshlymemed5680 8 місяців тому +104

      That and Parasoul feels so bland without the arm band. They could have at least changed it to something else.

    • @bowlingwynaut
      @bowlingwynaut 8 місяців тому +3

      yes balls

    • @djdreamer7249
      @djdreamer7249 8 місяців тому +15

      …what? 👁️👁️are you saying they took away my literal all time favorite fighting game announcer in Skullgirls?!

  • @iliketrainsornot213
    @iliketrainsornot213 8 місяців тому +691

    Imagine breaking an NDA for your favorite game just for you to ruin it all by yourself.

    • @basicbacon5951
      @basicbacon5951 7 місяців тому

      Cant believe there was someone that dumb, yet i just seen it

    • @heroesoftomorrow3488
      @heroesoftomorrow3488 6 місяців тому

      Sorry, I do not care about the opinions of a garbage man: it is *Pointless* to listen to him

    • @jeremyriley1238
      @jeremyriley1238 2 місяці тому +3

      True, but it's people like them that are the main reason why video game companies have a policy where they refuse to accept ideas or concepts from fans or other people who do not work for the company, as it can result in such legal situations.

  • @jabarithegoldenlucario8841
    @jabarithegoldenlucario8841 8 місяців тому +289

    Skullgirls is one of the most unfortunate games ever. Whenever things are looking up for the game, there’s always something that brings it right back down.
    It’s a shame because the game itself is AMAZING. It sucks that it has to go through so much trouble.

  • @ItsAZues
    @ItsAZues 8 місяців тому +380

    The Skull Heart is truly making this game go through hell and back.

    • @PerryMcCall18
      @PerryMcCall18 7 місяців тому +5

      Wait, Skull Heart or SkullGirl?

    • @AofCastle
      @AofCastle 7 місяців тому +16

      @@PerryMcCall18 the Skull Heart corrupts the wish of the Skullgirl.

    • @PerryMcCall18
      @PerryMcCall18 7 місяців тому +4

      @@AofCastle ahh, okay.

    • @heroesoftomorrow3488
      @heroesoftomorrow3488 6 місяців тому +9

      Somebody wished Skullgirl to be completed, and the Skull Heart twisted the desire to make its completion the most miserable experience ever

  • @oreganothankyou
    @oreganothankyou 8 місяців тому +245

    This game comes back from the dead more than the actual skullgirl

  • @cristalido3640
    @cristalido3640 6 місяців тому +84

    Okay, i'm arriving late to the party but I liked the video... Except for the part about Mike Z's removal, which is highly misinformed. He didn't interact with a "fan", it was a popular cosplayer who was outed for being manipulative and abusive called BunnyAyumi, who explicitly messaged him in private to talk about the game by literally bringing up lesbian BDSM, baiting Mike into saying inappropiate stuff, despite him trying this best to not be inappropiate and even asking for her consent to ask personal questions, to which he writes "humans with p*nises" in an attempt to avoid comming off as transphobic since the dude is literally autistic and sucks at communication.
    After this incident, a shitstorm ensues where the company backstabs him by organizing to leave together at the same time since Mike Z didn't want to be fired in the same way that happened with Alex Ahad, while making shit up about him to ruin his reputation... All of the proof regarding this is present in the current lawsuit, and the channel Technicals organized all of it in an hour long video discussing the entire timeline of these events in-depth, while also exposing how inconsistent and contradictory all of the accusations against Mike Z are in light of the available facts.

    • @jamesrosewell9081
      @jamesrosewell9081 5 місяців тому +1

      How do you feel about the Dev of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley being doxed?

    • @cristalido3640
      @cristalido3640 5 місяців тому

      @@jamesrosewell9081 I'm absolutely disgusted, it was done by a bunch of transphobic losers who believed that the game was nothing more than a "psyop" to entice the masses into liking incest, and that the game would further cause the "downfall of the West"... It's honestly baffling how we can't have games exploring taboo subjects despite a similar controversy taking place decades ago with Rule of Rose, where journalists who never played the game began saying that it's about p*edophilia and sexually harassing minors, as well as killing them (as you might already expect, none of this was part of the game).
      I expected the gaming community to mature and learn from mistakes like this, but here we are... Losing our minds over an indie game that doesn't even focuses on incest, while harassing the creator to the point of revealing her personal information without consent.

    • @Unknown----------11
      @Unknown----------11 4 місяці тому +25

      I was gonna comment a similar thing about this , if im honest i think no one in the dev team of skull girls is normal cuz most women in the dev team were talking menstruation and porn in general and mike was like trying the best to not sound weird as fuck and even avoiding and changing subject

  • @fatyoshi696
    @fatyoshi696 8 місяців тому +230

    the fact that skullgirls is still alive and well after everything it's been through is wild to me, it's lived twice the lifespan of the average fighting game and been through enough development troubles and controversies to kill an AAA game multiple times over yet it's still going strong, and I'm very happy for it. it's truly a one-of-a-kind game and it's always a fun time whenever I boot it up even though I suck. I hope that no matter what else the game has to deal with in the future it'll still pull through

    • @Jerome18921
      @Jerome18921 7 місяців тому +9

      I’m surprised that the censorship controversy wasn’t the last straw

    • @fatyoshi696
      @fatyoshi696 7 місяців тому +22

      @@Jerome18921 the craziest thing is the censorship controversy basically didn't affect the actual playerbase at all, the game's steam player counts look basically the same before and after. Due to its fundamental design ideas skullgirls is a game that's always going to be causing controversies and its players are used to it at this point, I honestly don't think anything can truly kill the skullgirls playerbase

  • @lorenzolara1148
    @lorenzolara1148 8 місяців тому +80

    Is Alex Ahad consultant for future Skullgirl characters? These are his characters and his art style, he should be the one to tell and finish the story, when it is time.

    • @jacobinho86
      @jacobinho86 7 місяців тому +27

      Sadly, he left the outline of like 20 characters, so he kinda left the cheat sheet.

  • @Pirouyy
    @Pirouyy 8 місяців тому +67

    there are only two absolute with skullgirls : Something will go wrong, and the launch party will never end.

  • @notcoldghost
    @notcoldghost 8 місяців тому +116

    I love skullgirls and how it was but the new owners suck and the worst thing isn’t even the censorship, it’s about how they don’t communicate with their own audience

    • @joecrazy9896
      @joecrazy9896 7 місяців тому +21

      Don't forget they also insult them as well, if the leaked Discord messages are to be believed.

    • @xXSoulGeoXx
      @xXSoulGeoXx 6 місяців тому +4

      The controversy with the fans is one thing
      but they don't help themselves with also insulting the very people who brough their game where it is right now
      Like, the Konami thing, the Lab Zero death, just to do more censorship which angered fans the first time, and would probably repeat the same reaction if they did it again (which it did)
      its like 343 Industries promising stuff for Halo only to dissapoint their fans and breaking promises they said they were not gonna break (the split screen fiasco 3 times, the second was bad, by the 3rd, people would totally shit on them because the studio repeated many times how they were not gotta cut splitscreen after how much it angered Halo fans the other 2 times)

    • @notcoldghost
      @notcoldghost 6 місяців тому +5

      @@xXSoulGeoXx exactly it’s a loss-loss situation and they seem to not give a fuck

  • @thewolfstu
    @thewolfstu 6 місяців тому +34

    kinda sucks that the artist behind the characters ended up getting fired and separated from his own shit. Can definitely say that'd suck as an artist.

  • @smugbowkid9919
    @smugbowkid9919 8 місяців тому +444

    Future Club ironically tried to make their game more “accessible,” and ended up alienating their devoted audience. And it still didn’t work, because I feel like Skullgirls has yet to go mainstream with popularity. Damn.

    • @metamaster5469
      @metamaster5469 8 місяців тому +78

      Tbh, the majority of the people bitching and moaning about these miniscule cosmetic changes have like less that three hours on the actual game, so they probably haven't even played it and are just butthurt coomers.

    • @silverdededestruction2197
      @silverdededestruction2197 8 місяців тому +153

      @@metamaster5469 This game was built on the blood of said coomers and gacha addicts, no matter your stance on coomers, they are the actual fans of this game and you just don't see it.
      also the cosmetic changes also extend to cutscenes like big band's initial death in story mode

    • @metamaster5469
      @metamaster5469 8 місяців тому

      @@silverdededestruction2197 LMFAO NO ONE was paying money to see those single frames of animation, you pathetic whiny crybaby, people gave money to help the game grow. The ACTUAL fans of the game are the people who actually PLAY the fucking game, not the people kicking, screaming, crying and spitting up all over themselves because of underwear, arm bands and pieces of art that you can still just as easily find online.
      And for the record? Big Band's story is still the fucking same, they literally just changed it to show his POV BEFORE the beating, so uh... nice try.

    • @deviallen2131
      @deviallen2131 8 місяців тому +36

      ​@@silverdededestruction2197that scene censorship HURT my writter's feelings.

    • @terrance6814
      @terrance6814 8 місяців тому +71

      ​@metamaster5469 I have over 80 hours in Skullgirls, fan since 2015, and the game's sudden meddling really upset me

  • @Makskori
    @Makskori 5 місяців тому +42

    Not telling the whole story about why Mike and Alex actually quit and just summing it up to them being "terrible people"(not what you said but basically it) is both offensive and misleading, I hope that you later apologize and correct this mistake, for the things these 2 people had to deal with(and Mike is still dealing with) are just depressing when you really dig into it.

    • @Ducksen
      @Ducksen  5 місяців тому +16

      I will admit Mike's situation is more complicated than the video lets on, but the implication for both is most definitely not that they're terrible people. Alex is one of my biggest artistic inspirations and I even visited his booth at this most recent Anime Expo. I am not attempting to skew the narrative in any way other than finding it funny Mike talked about men with penises when flirting with a girl.

    • @Makskori
      @Makskori 5 місяців тому +19

      @@Ducksen I actually didnt expect you to reply, but thank you for clarification, I generally enjoyed this video its just that part I had a problem with so Im glad to have sorted this out. Have a good day.

  • @chunkycoone5040
    @chunkycoone5040 7 місяців тому +14

    Censordship towards the artbook was a major L towards the dev team.

  • @Max44321
    @Max44321 5 місяців тому +96

    Every character in Skullgirls is a fetish character, often multiple fetishes in one, so it's hilarious hearing the devs censoring their work, they'd have to delete the whole game and start from scratch for that.

    • @Crobat7269
      @Crobat7269 4 місяці тому +17

      Beowulf and his chair: 👀

    • @payasodeprimido.3368
      @payasodeprimido.3368 4 місяці тому

      Peacock… how is she fetishized?

    • @lericebowl
      @lericebowl 4 місяці тому +12

      Big Band: 👀

    • @Gojira-ii4ru
      @Gojira-ii4ru 9 днів тому

      You mean Parasoul... And the sailor moon parody are a sexual fantasy?

    • @Max44321
      @Max44321 9 днів тому

      @@Gojira-ii4ru yes

  • @ilikecheeseandurugly1018
    @ilikecheeseandurugly1018 8 місяців тому +162

    Cheesburger

  • @Blue-ng7me
    @Blue-ng7me 8 місяців тому +98

    Honestly not just because Alex draws suggestive stuff all the time, its also because people came out about it that he was also lazy with the story and his job. At the time of making Indivisible, there are old videos of Alex Ahad showing what the plot of Indivisible would have been like, but it was him constantly rewriting the story and also not coming into work or even him with his terrible work ethic ultimately lead him to being fired. We don't even see any of what he originally intended in Indivisible's final game. People are saying that Skullgirls needs Alex Ahad to make the game good again, but he hasn't had any sort of relevancy in other works aside from this one, he's sorta just a one hit wonder, random things that he came up with just worked and clicked with this game.

    • @Blue-ng7me
      @Blue-ng7me 8 місяців тому +22

      Its such a shame because Indivisible fans cant even get their dlc characters put in due to Mike Z firing everyone

    • @Rayce_Istanus
      @Rayce_Istanus 6 місяців тому +5

      Man, that kinda explains why Indivisible was the way it was.

  • @MagicMan608
    @MagicMan608 8 місяців тому +84

    Reminder: Mike Z indirectly caused YandereDev

  • @GregTheLion
    @GregTheLion 8 місяців тому +104

    Doing absolutely nothing until the very last minute and somehow making it worse, sounds pretty on par with Konami

  • @shanthegamer21
    @shanthegamer21 7 місяців тому +13

    I’ve been wishing for a while that WayForward would be able to acquire both Indivisible and Skullgirls; they were one of the LEAST controversial indie developers and the guys who produced Shantae and co-worked on River City Girls.

  • @dahyirofawswag8926
    @dahyirofawswag8926 8 місяців тому +37

    14:16 Holy shit its me

  • @october1820
    @october1820 7 місяців тому +10

    Skullgirls is just a bunch of series of It's so over/We're so back magnified into the existence of something.

  • @mr.chipotle9716
    @mr.chipotle9716 8 місяців тому +57

    The only changes necessary from the new censorship update were the crosses on Valentine's design because it breaks the Geneva Convention but man was it sad to have the rest of the changes

    • @Pirouyy
      @Pirouyy 8 місяців тому +25

      actually it was patched long ago by changing her red crosses into pink ones, the redesign that turned some of the crosses into shuriken was more of an added bonus that fitted her a lot more.

    • @oniontheif8552
      @oniontheif8552 8 місяців тому +3

      And maybe the red arm bands on the black egrets..... but other than that, yeah. The rest weren't needed.

    • @t.k7five084
      @t.k7five084 5 місяців тому +3

      That's stupid. A red cross has been around longer, then the Red Cross orignzation itself.

    • @Gamer-zg2wb
      @Gamer-zg2wb 2 місяці тому +1

      @@oniontheif8552 Why? Why would you want the thing removed that marks the bad people as the bad people?

  • @buzztheshowhost4783
    @buzztheshowhost4783 8 місяців тому +60

    Skullgirls is a game that can bend in every direction but can never be broken!

  • @JP_Soup
    @JP_Soup 8 місяців тому +27

    This game can't catch a break.

  • @CaliburovX4
    @CaliburovX4 7 місяців тому +55

    The people trying to gaslight Skullgirls fans into being okay with being robbed are _wild!_

  • @petergunner1091
    @petergunner1091 8 місяців тому +36

    Guess we aint gettin Skullgirls 2 anytime soon.
    My mains are Peacock, Ms Fortune, and Cerebella also.

  • @MrLednard
    @MrLednard 3 місяці тому +3

    Minor detail that was not mentionned:
    Another part of what was removed includes some of the fanarts and artworks included into the art gallery of the game. As well as some stuff that what was available in the Artbook DLC that people actively paid for.

  • @masteruni6885
    @masteruni6885 8 місяців тому +29

    lmao i remember the dlc war. Fans of this game can be either the worst or best ppl imagineable. ill still love the game no matter what.

  • @skyrimlover777
    @skyrimlover777 5 місяців тому +9

    Honestly a lot of the censorship other than the red armbands I haven't noticed. I see panties at least 30 times a play session when I play skullgirls mobile on allegedly censored characters. *Presumably* changes made to the main game would cascade onto mobile.
    The only part I really care about is big bands story.

  • @thevocatiousunspeakables709
    @thevocatiousunspeakables709 8 місяців тому +19

    *removes both the original creators*
    *censors the game*
    *says they're making it better*
    Hmm, I wonder how this could have happened?

  • @bog4612
    @bog4612 8 місяців тому +9

    This game won't be dying any time soon as longest people whale on the mobile version of Skullgirls.
    PS: Filia censorship was done so she can join Smash
    /J

  • @IcyFir3902
    @IcyFir3902 7 місяців тому +4

    The one last thing Skullgirls needs right now. Is a character in a Crossover game. Perhaps Indie Pogo would elect Filia to be in the roster?

  • @Eaten_Fishnuggets
    @Eaten_Fishnuggets 8 місяців тому +31

    Now what I'm seeing after some digging about Mike's side, he said he was framed with these allegations. The screenshots people gave were cropped, not showing the whole convos that they were the first to bringup these convos and not by Mike(even tho they said he was the one that did). What's even crazier is that an alegal paper by Mike himself (since this is being brought to court) that he's on the autism spectrum(which might somewhat explain why not reading the room correctly has caused some heavy backlash.) I'm not too sure on which side I am on because most of this IS being settled outside what the internet can see so we have bits and pieces. We can sightly conclude to 'yes he abused people in the workplace' or 'a bunch of people took advantage of a person with a disorder' until all this court stuff is concluded and there's announcements that happens. Man this makes my brain hurt. (Btw I thank so much about you making this vid. Hella good and it helped me keep up to speed. Especially since I didn't pay attention to the stuff back in 2015 cause I was too fixated on the game itself and not what's been goin on behind the scenes and its community.)

    • @shriderrad4123
      @shriderrad4123 8 місяців тому +11

      I was about to comment this stuff too, Mike Z's lawsuit appeal even went into detail on how some staff would wear inappropriate attire to work and made some other staff feel uncomfortable. That the majority of the staff were long time friends with Mike and they frequently talked with one another and that eventually the staff made a separate Discord server just to shit on him behind his back throw him under the bus and take the company Lab Zero Games for themselves. In all honesty I think the majority of the SkullGirls staff are just terrible people. Not including Alex Ahad or Mike Z tbh, Mike doesn't really strike me as a bad person with malicious intent, just a socially awkward guy who lacks social cues or basic understanding.

    • @tiagocouto887
      @tiagocouto887 8 місяців тому +4

      I can understand the point you want to make and more or less put something in gray side, but he only coming out having a spectrum of autism after lab zero died. You can search for it if you put "Mike autism" on Google and it will show the tweet which he said it and see that he only did that after lab zero was dead. I think it pretty convenient that he only seek help after lab zero dying and not before where he could seek for medical help. Also I will not say that future club devs are without fault regarding this matter but I don't think they would make a elaborate plan to screw Mike if their relationship wasn't already bad, also the crops on that twitter girl doesn't to be fake since it came out of nowhere when that happen if you remember correctly if you being paying attetion to the game since 2015. The allegations only came out in 2019-2020 if I remember correctly. I know people with personality disord and autism, but none of them really strike as mean spirit as Mike, autism can make people relationship complicated but it doesn't make them a bad person. Mike also made that joke regarding Flyod's case on stream many people went to help and apologize for his behavior. I find odd that the same people that tried to help him also would only turn theirs back to him without a reason. I myself have a personally one that I can't really prove happen where he started berating a person while commenting on stream for no apparent good reason, he said something like "you're not capable to stream my game" and I think he said that that person should never stream SG again. I can't really remember to who he said that but it's something that make remember that there stuff outside of all that are know by the community where the dude is a jerk for sure.

    • @Eaten_Fishnuggets
      @Eaten_Fishnuggets 8 місяців тому +4

      @@tiagocouto887 That is true. It's weird that now he's seeking out medical help even though he should've been doing this before lab zero broke off. It's a chance he was seeking it out because other's pointed out he had some traits of being autistic but he didn't take it seriously/had other priorities until the reports have happened(in Mike's alegal paper). I actually have a little bro that's autistic as well and has a hard time to speak his mind, so it's harder to understand him if you don't know him well enough(also ye he a sweet dude). It's also a possibility that with miscommunications came with bad backlash from Mike Z to the rest of the crew.
      And yea I've started watching gameplay and tournaments(cause I couldn't afford the game nor had a console to play it on) back around late 2015 early 2016. I remember when I bought indivisible, saw that it was incomplete but it's going to get updates and dlc. But then the reports of Mike being an A in the workplace, stopping any future updates in an 75% completed game kinda bummed me out. That's weirdly how I found out about the allegations when there was only going to be a final dlc update when there was going to be a plethora of updates.

    • @tiagocouto887
      @tiagocouto887 8 місяців тому +3

      @@Eaten_Fishnuggets Yeah it suck pretty bad, I pre-ordered indivisible and I am still bummed out that it can't be finished. My cousin has bipolar personality and he always seeing more or less distant from myself and his family. His family seek medical attention way before on his teenage years but he suffered a lot. Mike may truly have a spectrum of autism but the relationship with the community (at least the people that being old in the community) pretty much tainted by now.

    • @Eaten_Fishnuggets
      @Eaten_Fishnuggets 8 місяців тому +4

      @@shriderrad4123 Yea the creators never struck to me as bad people either, but do lean on that miscommunication can leave to sour aftermaths. Ahad was able to give a proper answer about the sexism controversy that I side on greatly, but he did draw a very inappropriate animation without telling anyone in the team, which does seem weird. It might've been the same for Mike as well. Where he is a really cool dude but bad at reading the room(example making a joke out of someone's recent death). It went to the point that the side glances leaned into more bad mouthing(whether some of the affiliations are true or not) then into creating a different discord server to try to get him off the team. I've heard that he is in credits in some games(I'm not too sure what) in the dying down of the heat of this controversy which is interesting to hear and raises some questions.

  • @udayhd
    @udayhd 8 місяців тому +26

    Truly a cursed game

  • @user-AADZ
    @user-AADZ 8 місяців тому +11

    The pharoah's curse

  • @soulsofdeath2569
    @soulsofdeath2569 8 місяців тому +53

    Wait wait wait... You forgot they censored a Artbook as well. The listen learned here is own the right to your game and characters. That way ppl can't mess with it. I hope this sink and never blows up. The who work on it deserve to fail.

    • @pinkjolyne5432
      @pinkjolyne5432 7 місяців тому +3

      I hate to break the news to you but Skullgirls is not dying anytime soon, not a single person that actually plays the game cares about the ''censorship'' you guys like to bitch moan so much about, the playerbase has only increased since the patch and new characters and content are still being added.

    • @soulsofdeath2569
      @soulsofdeath2569 7 місяців тому +13

      @@pinkjolyne5432 Expect I check the numbers and its not growing. 266 players. I wanted to get Skullgirls but it seems they don't want ppl to enjoy the artwork, animations, or a art book that they censered. I get were your coming from but Skull girls will only shrink more and more overtime.

    • @pinkjolyne5432
      @pinkjolyne5432 7 місяців тому +4

      @@soulsofdeath2569 Why do you think i'm telling you that the playerbase grew? just look up the steam charts of the game, even after the review bombing the game still thrived and at the end of the day that's what matters, people playing the game they love, not people bitching on the internet.
      If you actually care that much about the artbook changes, then just look it up lmao, the old art is still on the internet.
      And by the way, when Marie drops the playerbase will only keep increasing, like it alredy did.

    • @soulsofdeath2569
      @soulsofdeath2569 7 місяців тому

      @@pinkjolyne5432 No the player base didn't grow at all. In fact 200-500 is the amount of ppl who play the game. Least on steam. Its not growing at all. I pay for something I should have it wholes sale you can't modify it b/c you think its offensive. Going into a artbook and take out art is just petty censorship shit. Fuck the devs. and this game can continue to die before the censorship only twice as fast.

    • @joecrazy9896
      @joecrazy9896 7 місяців тому +11

      ​@@pinkjolyne5432Sounds like copium

  • @LTDLetsPlays
    @LTDLetsPlays 8 місяців тому +81

    So this was a story of unfortunate fighting game that it’s team backstabbed it’s original creators and the team itself is Twatter snakes that are now actively ruining the game with their questionable decisions

    • @tarkir1094
      @tarkir1094 8 місяців тому +8

      Yeah basically

    • @Mr.Kafuffles
      @Mr.Kafuffles 8 місяців тому +7

      Basically yeah. And the numbers are still as low as ever, even when Marie releases you can bet your sweet bippy that the numbers will STILL stay the same no matter what until its imminent end and the game is dead.

    • @tiagocouto887
      @tiagocouto887 8 місяців тому +10

      As someone that being playing the game since 2017, the only decision that I can disagree its regarding Band's story mode being changed, all of the others things were things that old players always found odd, didn't like or were neutral to it. To me its make sense removing them since when people started point out them I myself started disliking them. Also the majority of the old team its on the new team. The reason that Mike and Ahad not making part of the new team are different, Mike fired everybody and killed Lab Zero while killing Indivisiable since all the animation team that worked with it also worked with SG for at least 10 years was fired and Future Club was created and started working in the game since SG's IP was sold way back in the day for Atumn Games for multiple reasons. Ahad left through internal team decisions which even Mike was ok with that.

  • @Skaetbull
    @Skaetbull 8 місяців тому +29

    Man, this game was cool back in the 2020s and then it just, shot itself in the foot. It’s funny to see that they never die somehow

  • @rexwrecks2735
    @rexwrecks2735 8 місяців тому +79

    Nice breakdown of the development, hopefully everything pans out well for it and it stays active for years to come. Skullgirls deserves it.

  • @turkeyman631
    @turkeyman631 5 місяців тому +8

    Love how people desperately want to out this autistic man for having autistic tendencies. Weird! From everything I've seen, the devs at Future Club had some rightful gripes but handled it about as well as some corrupt politician.

  • @ImTheGuy
    @ImTheGuy 8 місяців тому +13

    13:27 you are self censoring, on a chapter about self censorship. Nothing major, just found it funny.

  • @thewolfstu
    @thewolfstu 6 місяців тому +7

    I had a friend who is *Obsessed* with this game to the point that his Discord icon has been the stabby nurse lady since, like, *Years* ago. All I ever knew about it was "Slightly lewd anime girl fighting game" and honestly I gotta say that I am surprised the artist behind the character creations didn't make sure he was working with people as horny as he was.
    and I say that not as a shot at him for being horny but as also a artist who draws horny or NSFW shit as well. lol
    and, well, technically I am a game dev first and foremost, but I haven't released a game in years. I guess it also applies to D&D as well... or really any group thing. Look, if you wanna be horny, be horny with others who are also horny, simple.

    • @Utrilus
      @Utrilus 6 місяців тому +4

      That's a good lesson, work with people who have good rapport with you. Especially if the project is one of passion.

    • @thewolfstu
      @thewolfstu 6 місяців тому +4

      @@Utrilus Mmh, 100%

    • @Shnarfbird
      @Shnarfbird 6 місяців тому

      Several of them acted just as horny as he was, just with hypocritical backstabbing later

  • @lol3342
    @lol3342 8 місяців тому +12

    Oh yeah fun fact: the voice actor for Samson dubbed Dio in JJBA and the voice actress for Black Dahlia dubbed Lisa Lisa in JJBA

    • @Boredom89
      @Boredom89 8 місяців тому +8

      Japanese voice actor for Beowulf is Jotaro

    • @gangstasonic97573
      @gangstasonic97573 7 місяців тому +2

      Thanks guys

  • @RedsHitpostMedia
    @RedsHitpostMedia 8 місяців тому +10

    Its honestly a testament to how much the fans kept this alive after 10 years despite its rocky moments.
    I was there on Twitter during the 2nd wave of censorship and it was basically telling the fans who stuck through the end that their content will be cut because its "UN PC". This was game popularized because its hen tie and style and now after 10 years they have problem while acting like the moral police when their artists ALSO did lewd art!?
    Lets face it the 2 people who made the game turned out to be jerks and everyone knows they cant make a sequel as evident by the 10 years of little progress. So they desperately try to make it into the mainstream market while erasing the games identity in the first place.

    • @Utrilus
      @Utrilus 6 місяців тому +1

      I think it's possible that the 2 people who had the vision of the game were lewd, while they hired a prude crew. And the moment raunchy people were out of way they could work against that vision. Thooo with the limited budget they didn't do all that much.
      And try to get some marketing through being moral and just by removing problematic content.

  • @1Lazarus
    @1Lazarus 8 місяців тому +6

    I wish i looked like the nurse lady, she looks so pretty :)

    • @1Lazarus
      @1Lazarus 8 місяців тому +3

      I should try this game out again

  • @Beepers559
    @Beepers559 8 місяців тому +6

    Wait the censor update was in 2015?! How did I never hear of it?
    Edit: well, one of them anyway

  • @orisfamaemon
    @orisfamaemon 8 місяців тому +162

    I CAN get behind the Filia censorship considering she is in fact a teenager, but I feel that it probably would have been better to never make her a 16 year old in the first place.

    • @sweetpea644
      @sweetpea644 8 місяців тому +71

      Just bump Filia to 18 and there's no issue

    • @orisfamaemon
      @orisfamaemon 8 місяців тому +53

      @@sweetpea644 Exactly, is it so hard to believe she was looking for Carol for at least 2 to even 4 more years? Hell you could’ve told me she was 20 and i’d believe it.

    • @upyoursassmonkey
      @upyoursassmonkey 8 місяців тому +1

      I don't see why 16 is even an issue though, I don't recall her age ever being mentioned in the game and 16 is the age of consent in most of Europe, Canada, and the majority of the USA.

    • @platinumg.8614
      @platinumg.8614 8 місяців тому +20

      And for the clothes could still make sense because poor Fillia doesnt have money.

    • @idk72.
      @idk72. 8 місяців тому +43

      ​@@platinumg.8614that would also explain why her clothes don't fit her, she's been using her same school outfit for years, and obviously a school outfit wouldn't be that revealing

  • @Fearfire_
    @Fearfire_ 8 місяців тому +4

    Skullgirls reminds me of the sisyphus meme for no reason☠️☠️

  • @theman6422
    @theman6422 5 місяців тому +8

    Ima be real: I started on the mobile app, so I had no idea about all this. This is all really crazy, cuz I genuinely love the mobile game and feel bad for the people who want to enjoy the original game. Maybe there is some hope for this game about a curse to get out of its own curse

  • @mxtr2977
    @mxtr2977 8 місяців тому +4

    I guess I could say that the devs made a promise to the skull heart

    • @lxstfulgrxvestone69420
      @lxstfulgrxvestone69420 7 місяців тому +1

      a promise to forever curse this game to not-so-well-done updates on the characters and creepy fans in every corner of the game

  • @Jesus-hu4lq
    @Jesus-hu4lq Місяць тому +3

    Its crazy after a few months of this situation i heard they added a new soviet voice pack with a new VA with the marie dlc. Honestly still a fun game with awesome characters just its doomed to be cursed and have something bad happen to them constantly.

  • @nignognas3352
    @nignognas3352 4 місяці тому +4

    Mike didn't fire everybody from the company, they left by themselves

  • @LalitoTV
    @LalitoTV 8 місяців тому +44

    Great seeing an in depth video about SG in this day and age, however, it is missing two key elements: Skullgirls mobile and indivisible, which further complicated things when it came to money...
    Also, 12:31 bruh it was literally two panty shots, like literally two
    Anyway, I don't like the dude, but its unfair to the situation that you didn't put the context to the comment mike Z said, the fan he said that to literally started talking about BDSM to HIM!!!!!

    • @arielbeltranvz9339
      @arielbeltranvz9339 8 місяців тому +6

      Just starting its just for the second comment i have no opinion on the last thought, its mainly for the second one.
      i agree with the first one, the mobile one was a disaster, still to this day having difficulty of people playing, it just happens to still be alive.
      But it wasnt actually just the pantyshots they removed, LOTS and LOTS of fan art that was there in the artwork section, they also reworked a lot, so there is no longer some the fanart people did. It did was like punching the fans in the face they literally said no to the content they used to say yes.
      i agree some pantyshot couldnt hurt but that many its kinda ridiculous.

    • @LalitoTV
      @LalitoTV 8 місяців тому +10

      ​@@arielbeltranvz9339 yes they altered things and removed exactly 4 fan art pieces, but that was much later. In the patch he mentions on the timestamp I put, only TWO panty shots were removed
      I would know, I literally made one of the videos about the changes that got featured in this video (albeit without credit)

    • @Pirouyy
      @Pirouyy 8 місяців тому +1

      @@arielbeltranvz9339 Lalito's talking about the first censoring (which was not problematic imo), not the last one.

    • @tiagocouto887
      @tiagocouto887 8 місяців тому +1

      @@arielbeltranvz9339 Lots is overstatement, its was like 3, it isn't?

    • @CBman11037
      @CBman11037 7 місяців тому

      ​@@arielbeltranvz9339Says the Toby Fox fan

  • @TECH097
    @TECH097 8 місяців тому +4

    >>Rip off turkey tom's style
    No that can't be, you actually sound credible and decent.

  • @Aidrauzings
    @Aidrauzings 8 місяців тому +11

    I remeber that time when zone worked with skullgirls...Is soo wierd having zone toon in the project even that person did a flash game about filia and...well the rest is wierd....
    Anybody think zone toon looks like peter emo from spiderman 3?
    Because when i see his model i can´t think about her without thinking about peter emo.

  • @silverdededestruction2197
    @silverdededestruction2197 8 місяців тому +20

    Wait I thought Alex left? He was fired????

    • @edfreak9001
      @edfreak9001 8 місяців тому +8

      it might be a situation where he left before being formally fired but the writing was on the wall? Dunno.
      Either way I hope he makes another game or somehow gets his mitts on the rights again sometime.

    • @ratedr7845
      @ratedr7845 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@edfreak9001 hope he got the rights again

    • @tiagocouto887
      @tiagocouto887 8 місяців тому +2

      @@edfreak9001 I don't think is bold to say the would be fired but its was something that all the old team was ok with happening, even Mike. Now regarding the IP rights for the game, he would need to buy it from Autumn Games, the current holders of the IP and somewhat convince the current team to working with him or for him. The current team has being animated SG for at least 10 years now and you don't see the same quality of work in animation for a game very often. There are few games right now that are draw by hand, SG, Cuphead and Banner Saga are some examples, and in my knowledge SG is a fighting game and the art is gorgeous. SG is very impresive on its right.

  • @ratedr7845
    @ratedr7845 8 місяців тому +18

    Honestly, ownership should have stayed with alex and mike, look what they're doing with it now

    • @pinkjolyne5432
      @pinkjolyne5432 7 місяців тому

      Oh, how terrible, Future Club keeps releasing new characters with the same quality and attention to detail Skullgirls has always been known for, they are killing the game!!! they should have stayed with Mike Z who is clearly not a problematic individual at all... /s

    • @ratedr7845
      @ratedr7845 7 місяців тому +4

      @pinkjolyne5432 aw, gonna cry?

    • @pinkjolyne5432
      @pinkjolyne5432 7 місяців тому

      @@ratedr7845 I'm not the one malding because Mike Z and Alex both got kicked out of Skullgirls while the game is thriving without them

    • @ratedr7845
      @ratedr7845 7 місяців тому

      @@pinkjolyne5432 no, but you are sucking the sweat off of their balls

  • @nooneyouknow13
    @nooneyouknow13 5 місяців тому +3

    You really should have mentioned Mike's countersuit.

  • @xXSoulGeoXx
    @xXSoulGeoXx 6 місяців тому +4

    Future Club at this point pretty much hijacked Skullgirls from the original creators
    and they still think their censorship was going to be taking with a positive look....
    Mike sure was an asshole from what it became know during Lab Zero's death
    but Ahad the most I seen its him just having a liking to draw sexy characters ( which I respect )
    they can still continue without MikeZ
    but I doubt things will ever be up to quality without the arist that gave birth to the game in the first place
    in summary
    the staff left are the type of people who would totally scream at the sight of Ecchi Anime for being ecchi (which is the point)
    and they probably would hate Kill La Kill (which is amazing, cool as hell, and yeah, the designs are sexy as well, but the best part? it got more than that)

  • @sharzinlalebazri5673
    @sharzinlalebazri5673 8 місяців тому +79

    You can say "review bombing" but we all know what it really is: the common man using the only weapon he has against the cold, uncaring machine.

    • @Ducksen
      @Ducksen  8 місяців тому +23

      Not trying to take away the validity of people's reviews, they have a right to complain, I just don't know what else you'd call a bunch of people coming together to negatively review a game they've had for a while

    • @sharzinlalebazri5673
      @sharzinlalebazri5673 8 місяців тому +44

      @@Ducksen You call it protesting. "Review Bombing" implies malicious intent and malicious tactics such as botting.

    • @tiagocouto887
      @tiagocouto887 8 місяців тому

      @@sharzinlalebazri5673 I mean its seams malicious intented since I don't actually know the majority of people that are complaing about the game, most of them came from the sales on that month, I saw I lot of 0-10 hours negative reviews. I play this game since 2017 and I have 5000 hours in game, and never heard of anyone that is complaining right now. I genuality think the majority just don't like censorship, don't actually know who was Mike Z for community, why his VA was removed, and haven't being part to the conversations that we had regarding how odd/bad its was for the game having nazist iconograph and minors being sexualized. I didn't like the removed the Robocop reference in Big Band's story mode but to me at least are the majority of things being complained are minors things regarding how well made the game is. I don't think the game should even be sold for 2.50 dollars on steam's sale at all.
      Also not only people complanied about the changes on steam but some hackers hacked the mobile version's chat for like a month, terrorizing people who still playing it, saying the would delete people accounts and showing "X" person just won super character "Y".(Just to correct myself, saying that the dev team actually disable the chat while try to solve the problem and not super clear what they want to do or if was actually having anything to do with the censorship but the time frame lead people to believe it was target because of that. I myself wanted to understand why they done that but I don't really understand russian/ukrainian. You can search for videos on youtube showing hackers on SG mobile's chat.)

    • @skrulgrills
      @skrulgrills 7 місяців тому

      you guys are just manchildren

    • @nd7783
      @nd7783 18 днів тому +2

      @@sharzinlalebazri5673 also im pretty sure that term was created by a AAA publisher in the same way that BP oil created the term "carbon footprint" as a way to deflect criticism from them

  • @bicben
    @bicben 6 місяців тому +4

    11:09 that wasn't bad, that was based

  • @DanaOtken
    @DanaOtken 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for telling this story through.

  • @pedrohenriquedesouza4716
    @pedrohenriquedesouza4716 8 місяців тому +2

    Good vid, please continue

  • @lxstfulgrxvestone69420
    @lxstfulgrxvestone69420 7 місяців тому +2

    i saw filia and immediately knew what this was talking about. blew my mind bc i rarely get sg related content on my feed (commentary and persona memes galore)

  • @ChronoStrife
    @ChronoStrife 5 місяців тому +11

    I wish game companies would stop caring about miserable people complaining about racism or sexism in games, or changing things internally because you're afraid of some potential backlash about. Giving into those nutjobs damages your development process, because then they start making more demands. Let your art speak for itself, ignore fans when their comments are about social or political issues.

  • @dogeoverpowered
    @dogeoverpowered 8 місяців тому +8

    Art moment 🤯

  • @mattplaton
    @mattplaton 8 місяців тому +1

    This is an amazing breakdown for someone who makes pizza tower toppin girl animations

  • @FlantisFroggu
    @FlantisFroggu 7 місяців тому +5

    They say that Yandere Simulator has a curse of being forever unfinished
    Isn't this a coincidence that both these games are cursed? They are different curses but they are cursed, and Alex did talk to one of the dev. Pretty suspicious 🤔what does it all mean?

  • @WhyHandlesIMeanFroggchamp
    @WhyHandlesIMeanFroggchamp 8 місяців тому +1

    Aw hell naw the Skullgirls UA-cam essay dropped 💀

  • @phragrunt5680
    @phragrunt5680 8 місяців тому +4

    i wonder if there will ever exist a genderbend version of skullgirls characters...

    • @gangstasonic97573
      @gangstasonic97573 7 місяців тому

      There is, it’s called Skullguys

    • @phragrunt5680
      @phragrunt5680 7 місяців тому

      @@gangstasonic97573 two questions.
      1: Is It official or fanmade?
      2: does It have the same chatacters genderbend or totally new male chatacters?

    • @TheKazuma410P
      @TheKazuma410P 6 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@phragrunt5680 If this is the thing I saw once, the reality is that it's the parasites as actual characters, so Samson, Avery, Leviathan, etc...
      Oh and it's fanmade, if you haven't checked yet.

  • @69hahafunny
    @69hahafunny 8 місяців тому +3

    Skullgirls is just, a rollercoaster of a lot of bs, i mean emotions

  • @exoticjacob3343
    @exoticjacob3343 8 місяців тому +7

    Ducksen I love your videos please keep it up

  • @blazerplaythrough
    @blazerplaythrough 8 місяців тому

    My brain can't handle this

  • @iamLI3
    @iamLI3 4 місяці тому +3

    apparently you also don't know that skullgirls would be overwhelmingly negative rated on steam right now if steam was also not actively taking part in the the censorship of the troony sjws gaslighting the game's fans over the censorship of it , because steam has deleted most of the negative reviews that were made on it

  • @JOfJaZ
    @JOfJaZ 5 місяців тому +9

    Skullgirls becoming the game that its community deserves

    • @dariogonzalez8989
      @dariogonzalez8989 5 місяців тому +2

      I...
      I don't know if that's supposed to be a compliment or an insult.

    • @JOfJaZ
      @JOfJaZ 5 місяців тому +6

      @@dariogonzalez8989 I've wasted a lot of years of my life on the Skullgirls forums. My view of the deeper community is not a good one.

  • @metalmosaic_
    @metalmosaic_ 6 місяців тому +2

    Dont worry guys he means "cursed" in development terms

  • @Chiisaru
    @Chiisaru 7 місяців тому +4

    13:56 that's not a super, It's the combo freeing all characters have
    14:06 It was altered (still needed a better changed) probably due to George Floyd and Mike Z incident
    14:28 Not entirely because of Mike Z voicing him but because of the Ukrainian -Russian conflict that has been for almost a year or more.
    But I indeed I'm on the side that future dev team should have added replacements for the announcer and the 3 removed art pieces that used Fukua sexualized and Parasoul with the nazi Party colors.
    The egrets changes unfortunately is how nowadays anyone from far right depict him/herself as a nazi like It's no big deal.

  • @emily-in4zx
    @emily-in4zx 8 місяців тому +1

    AWOOGA the best vid on yt

  • @mythos6308
    @mythos6308 4 місяці тому +2

    Did not think George Floyd would make a guest star appearance in a Skullgirls video

  • @indominis5000
    @indominis5000 8 місяців тому +4

    Who's ready for Marie when she drops on pc/ wait there is no more Russian announcer 😭

  • @numberjuaanctr420
    @numberjuaanctr420 24 дні тому +1

    Nice to know it’s 2024 and skullgirls is still going through hell and back, and it seems the only thing keeping it alive is removing a lot of the charm and original art and soul that the game had, say what you will, taking out content from a game and not replacing it with anything else is just a bad move to the fans.

  • @joey5745
    @joey5745 7 місяців тому +5

    If you hate censorship then don't complain when someone makes something thats too edgy, other ppl might enjoy it, let them enjoy it and go do something else,
    Example: Mortal Kombat is to gorey, DOA is too um jiggly? Therefore I play something else, lol SIMPLE

  • @IzFanArt69
    @IzFanArt69 8 місяців тому +3

    wow didnt know they got manny problem when development

  • @TherealplumpVR
    @TherealplumpVR 8 місяців тому

    186k? hell yea i am not sure you remember me

  • @charlesajones77
    @charlesajones77 8 місяців тому +4

    Been supporting Skullgirls since the beginning. I hope they do offer another set of DLC characters... so I can refuse to support it anymore.

  • @isai_epik
    @isai_epik 8 місяців тому +9

    WHAT this is one of the best games the art is amazing and the music is good aswell

    • @tarkir1094
      @tarkir1094 8 місяців тому

      Was*
      Now has a shitty dev team

  • @CBman11037
    @CBman11037 7 місяців тому +4

    NO SHE CAN'T HAVE A RED ARMBAND! THEY'RE THE GOOD GUYS
    Have you guys heard of the wonders of german science and the stone masks?

  • @The_Real_Max.
    @The_Real_Max. 7 місяців тому +1

    11:05 BASED

    • @The_Real_Max.
      @The_Real_Max. 7 місяців тому

      @@Illusionista-p you first retard

  • @sahilhossian8212
    @sahilhossian8212 8 місяців тому

    Lore of The Most Cursed Game Ever Made momentum 100

  • @-Blasphemy-
    @-Blasphemy- 4 місяці тому +5

    You did not do your research on the Alex and Mike drama at all. Shame on you.

  • @Muda16766
    @Muda16766 7 місяців тому

    I’m want to get back in to skull girls

  • @christiankim6864
    @christiankim6864 4 місяці тому

    the boondocks clip of ganstalicious getting shot AGAIN?!
    sway: aaaagain...
    made me fucking lol

  • @that_one_filipina_girl_who951
    @that_one_filipina_girl_who951 4 місяці тому

    "Skullheart! I wish that nothing like this happens again!"

  • @melreinh5265
    @melreinh5265 23 дні тому +2

    came back to skullgirls after a few years and im seeing these videos on controversy (Technicals in depth explanation on the controversy, made 3 months after this video, sheds more light on the situation). It's so damn hard to support skullgirls when Future Club really feels like the biggest jerk here. Mike Z made mistakes sure but like... Future Club OG members basically got away with it. and they definitely were the scummiest part of the whole thing.

  • @ghigliottina8562
    @ghigliottina8562 6 місяців тому +2

    This game is the best . I love it. The caretachers... the lore...magic , magic . Skullgirls changed my vision of life for the story and I think that nothing can change my opinion . I m the biggest fan of Skullgirls ❤

  • @ZenokweiAka
    @ZenokweiAka 8 місяців тому

    DUDE U make commentaries now?

  • @damianateiro
    @damianateiro 8 місяців тому +3

    It is literally the first game I bought in my life and the first to achieve its achievements back in 2012/13, the truth is I prefer that they let the game die for all the shit they are doing to it

  • @ShoshoDupers
    @ShoshoDupers 8 місяців тому +82

    What i find painfully sad and ironic is that the current owner team behind skullgirls (after they actively slandered mike Z with false sexual harassment allegations to get him fired from the project and steal it for themselves) would make a update just to censor filia and remove all red umbrella symbols. Because... "muh 16 year old fictional character and nazi implications... duhhh we love people"
    Literally removed thousands of dollars of funded content from the games that FANS PAID FOR

    • @LunaMinuna
      @LunaMinuna 8 місяців тому +18

      ^^ Mike Z was robbed of his job because they didn’t like him

    • @MasterAlpha1000
      @MasterAlpha1000 8 місяців тому

      Bruh it doesn't affect the gameplay
      Quit being a creep pedo

    • @tiagocouto887
      @tiagocouto887 8 місяців тому +21

      I truly find odd people defending Mike. They indeed removed the VA which Mike dubbed that was backed way back the day and it does sucks that aren't replacing with anything new. But if you were around 2019-2020 there is no way people would be defending Mike like some poor soul that was robbed. SG almost died cause Mike is pretty much someone very difficult to deal with outside all the allegations sexual harassment stuff. Lets not forget that people did try defending when he made that stupid joke regarding Flyod's case but the sexual allegations doesn't seem to be false at all. Indivisible was also funded by the community and died without being completed. I used that VA a lot but since Mike killed Lab Zero and its seems not want to take responsability for anything that happenned, I just stopped to using it. There 2 things that doesn't make to me trust Mike, the first of them is a personal one which I was watching a stream on 2018-2019 where Mike was commented and he started berating the person that was streaming for no good reason, he said something like "you aren't capable to stream my game" and I think he said something like that the person shouldn't stream SG anymore, this one I can prove. The second thing its after Lab Zero died, he made a public statement on his twitter saying he had being diagnosed with autism. Although I may see it explaing why he is like that, its was way convinient to himself saying something like this while everbody hating him for what he have done and I know people with mental disoders that have complicated relationships because it but none acts like he did regarding people, his relationship with the community/dev team is pretty much broken. I have played this game since 2017 and I think you should trust me at least regarding Mike.
      Anything regarding the fan art being removed, I think people complaining without know how many of them were removed, it's was some like 3 fan art's. Regarding "muh nazism", its odd to portraying hegrets being linked to nazism while being like the only major force of good now between the 3 main factions. That was a old complaining that came way back than 2018 that was often commented by old players that complained on the community main discord and the official forum for the community, this and the sexualization of minors that always gave complicated feelings for people that started considering playing the game.

    • @WhyHandlesIMeanFroggchamp
      @WhyHandlesIMeanFroggchamp 8 місяців тому +2

      @@LunaMinunaong

    • @Meleedroit
      @Meleedroit 8 місяців тому +10

      I dont give a fuck about the nazi implications since its not dealt in a creepy or pro-nazi manner, you cant say the same for sexualizing a teenage character tho