I dont think about laying it up as getting to a preferrred yardage, as much as hitting up to a safe landing area that avoids hazards, bad lies, or awkward approach angles, even if that means not hitting the farthest distance up to the pin.
Are the pros approach stats skewed because they hunt for pins? I mean it seems like if pros hit at the center of the greens from 100 yds they’d hit the green more than 85%.
I agree 💯. I use the yardage as a general guide, but like you said, it's more about a safe landing area, and the resulting distance to the hole may vary.
When I'm 260 out, I'm hitting 7 iron and then my 54 degree every time. Better than spraying or topping a 3 wood from that distance. I'm a 4.1 according to Ghin.
I used to be like that then I signed up for Decade 3.5 years ago. I worked on my driver and 3wood more than static 7 iron swings and learned how to practice properly. Prior to starting Decade I was a 3.0 handicap. Im now sitting at a +2.7. Trust the process. Scott knows his shit!!
@jrl3535 Great job on the improvement! All preference on your approach strategy. I've played golf 36 years. I've always wanted a full wedge in rather than a 30-40 yd tweener. Less eagles (only 2 in October), but way more sub 20 foot birdie looks (at least for me, anyway)
Why not hit a 5-wood or your next longest club then an easy shot inside 50 yards? This article share some good insights how players improve proximity with closer approaches: golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/
@ping7979 those in between short yardage pitches have always been my Achilles. I'm much better than I was with them, but I go with what works for me 8-10 times. I used to play hero golf when I was in my 20s, but I go with the smarter plan of attack on each hole now that I'm mid 40s (for me, anyway). Everyone's game and course management plan is different.
Sure if you have a great game around tough green complexes. I definitely shoot lower scores sticking wedges than cleaning up after a hot 5-wood. Play your game.
I agree in general with the logic, closer is better. However, each hole layout can change that risk reward ratio. I play to a 3.5 index and I find for high handicaps having a sense of confidence is most important. So if that is 100 yards then so be it.
@@wickedsmartgolf while that may be true on average, that doesnt mean it is true for every hole. On some holes it might be a better play to be farther, even if the proximity would be lower on average if closer. imo.
The issue is, a lot of us play like 5-10 rounds a year. Law of averages aren’t going to come into play much. We are also going to have some realistic holes in the game, that might include hitting 3 woods off of fairways or 25 yard bunker shots. Laying up is better sometimes. Now if you play 100 rounds a year and if you practice bunker shots 100 times a year, if you can’t rip a 3 wood within that 40 yard window, then yes, you are probably wasting your time w golf at that point.
Was only thinking the other day watching golf that nowadays you never hear commentators say “he is laying up to his preferred number”. … not since they started perfecting the “low spinner” approach.
His advice is for the top 1% of golfers. I guarantee that a 10 hcp hitting a 52 from 100 yds in fairway will do much better than from 3" grass, or sand, or under a tree from 30. Also, having to manufacture new and unique trick shots every hole will just wear out a golfer.
This might be true for the best players. For regular hacks (18 handicap here) the only goal is to prevent a huge number. That’s my complaint with the decade system thing and strokes gained. I just can’t see how it can be used by the average golfer.
This article sums it up perfectly, even for mid to high handicaps laying up isn't the move unless there's trouble: golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/
He's referring to Tiger having 40% accuracy in terms of laying up distance... meaning most of us aren't good enough to hit the desired layup most of the time lol
No, their distance control is not that bad at 200yd. The misses show up and left and right. This was proven back in the 80’s and is still the case today
This is terrible advice. I'm guessing these two are both fairly decent wedge players. Laying up is completely dependent on how confident you are from a certain distance. My wedges are terrible and have little confidence. I'd rather have 130 yds than 80 and less. If I lay up between 90 & 150 I'm confident I can get it fairly close on my approach shot. So I aim for 115 yards, which gives me a large margin of error in case I hit it to long or short of my target yardage. Using his example of 80, gives you no margin to work with. Play to your strengths. Example: Zach Johnson won the 2007 Masters and laid up on every par 5 that week.
Appreciate you watching but as the numbers show in this article - closer approaches = closer distances. golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/?amp=1
Augusta 13 and 15 have water in front of the green. So it's either hit the green or play short of the water. The data will show that those who laid up closest to the water would gain strokes on their 3rd shot.
I dont think about laying it up as getting to a preferrred yardage, as much as hitting up to a safe landing area that avoids hazards, bad lies, or awkward approach angles, even if that means not hitting the farthest distance up to the pin.
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Are the pros approach stats skewed because they hunt for pins? I mean it seems like if pros hit at the center of the greens from 100 yds they’d hit the green more than 85%.
I agree 💯. I use the yardage as a general guide, but like you said, it's more about a safe landing area, and the resulting distance to the hole may vary.
Good stuff brother, love this
Thanks for watching!
When I'm 260 out, I'm hitting 7 iron and then my 54 degree every time. Better than spraying or topping a 3 wood from that distance. I'm a 4.1 according to Ghin.
I used to be like that then I signed up for Decade 3.5 years ago. I worked on my driver and 3wood more than static 7 iron swings and learned how to practice properly. Prior to starting Decade I was a 3.0 handicap. Im now sitting at a +2.7. Trust the process. Scott knows his shit!!
@jrl3535 Great job on the improvement! All preference on your approach strategy. I've played golf 36 years. I've always wanted a full wedge in rather than a 30-40 yd tweener. Less eagles (only 2 in October), but way more sub 20 foot birdie looks (at least for me, anyway)
Why not hit a 5-wood or your next longest club then an easy shot inside 50 yards? This article share some good insights how players improve proximity with closer approaches: golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/
@@BIIIKESi can't believe you're hitting it closer with a full 54 than from 30-40 yards
@ping7979 those in between short yardage pitches have always been my Achilles. I'm much better than I was with them, but I go with what works for me 8-10 times. I used to play hero golf when I was in my 20s, but I go with the smarter plan of attack on each hole now that I'm mid 40s (for me, anyway). Everyone's game and course management plan is different.
Sure if you have a great game around tough green complexes. I definitely shoot lower scores sticking wedges than cleaning up after a hot 5-wood. Play your game.
Stat tracking is key
I agree in general with the logic, closer is better. However, each hole layout can change that risk reward ratio. I play to a 3.5 index and I find for high handicaps having a sense of confidence is most important. So if that is 100 yards then so be it.
I think these charts help understand the most: golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/
A topped 3w will go about as far as a good 6i. Go for the green
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What is the body of the chart @3:10 trying to show? I can’t even venture a guess.
Closer distances = closer proximity across all handicaps. Basically laying up to a “perfect number” is BS
@@wickedsmartgolfOhhhhhhh, it’s in yards. Usually proximity is measured in feet. Got it. Thanks.
@@wickedsmartgolf while that may be true on average, that doesnt mean it is true for every hole. On some holes it might be a better play to be farther, even if the proximity would be lower on average if closer. imo.
The issue is, a lot of us play like 5-10 rounds a year. Law of averages aren’t going to come into play much. We are also going to have some realistic holes in the game, that might include hitting 3 woods off of fairways or 25 yard bunker shots. Laying up is better sometimes. Now if you play 100 rounds a year and if you practice bunker shots 100 times a year, if you can’t rip a 3 wood within that 40 yard window, then yes, you are probably wasting your time w golf at that point.
Good observation, playing more definitely helps!
Was only thinking the other day watching golf that nowadays you never hear commentators say “he is laying up to his preferred number”. … not since they started perfecting the “low spinner” approach.
Yeah it’s just not the best strategy- gotta get it close & improve scoring average
If everyone is a great short game player - why do we have high handicappers?
Much easier to improve short game than swing. And high handicaps happen for endless reasons
His advice is for the top 1% of golfers.
I guarantee that a 10 hcp hitting a 52 from 100 yds in fairway will do much better than from 3" grass, or sand, or under a tree from 30.
Also, having to manufacture new and unique trick shots every hole will just wear out a golfer.
This will make you think otherwise: golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/
Amateurs also don’t have a hundred volunteers on the course finding their wayward shots…so a lot more balls go lost after “going for it”.
Would be nice to have for sure
This might be true for the best players. For regular hacks (18 handicap here) the only goal is to prevent a huge number. That’s my complaint with the decade system thing and strokes gained. I just can’t see how it can be used by the average golfer.
This article sums it up perfectly, even for mid to high handicaps laying up isn't the move unless there's trouble: golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/
Do not listen to this do not get as close as you can it's easier to make 100 yard shot than doing some stupid we are not pros.
Read these stats: golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/?amp=1
PGA tour pattern is 40yd deep? lol I’m pretty sure that’s wrong
He's referring to Tiger having 40% accuracy in terms of laying up distance... meaning most of us aren't good enough to hit the desired layup most of the time lol
@@wickedsmartgolfNo, he specifically referenced a 200yd par 3 on tour having a front to back dispersion of 40-50yds @0:46
@@clintsanderson6019 sorry got the clip mixed up lol scott is wicked smart he knows this stuff extremely well since he works with a ton of pros
From 200 some will miss hit to 180 some will pure it to 220. Out of 144 or 156, that makes sense to me.
No, their distance control is not that bad at 200yd. The misses show up and left and right. This was proven back in the 80’s and is still the case today
I think Mike Weir layed up and won the Masters.
golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/
This is terrible advice. I'm
guessing these two are both fairly decent wedge players. Laying up is completely dependent on how confident you are from a certain distance.
My wedges are terrible and have little confidence. I'd rather have 130 yds than 80 and less. If I lay up between 90 & 150 I'm confident I can get it fairly close on my approach shot. So I aim for 115 yards, which gives me a large margin of error in case I hit it to long or short of my target yardage. Using his example of 80, gives you no margin to work with.
Play to your strengths. Example: Zach Johnson won the 2007 Masters and laid up on every par 5 that week.
Appreciate you watching but as the numbers show in this article - closer approaches = closer distances.
golf.com/instruction/two-charts-lay-up-golftec/?amp=1
Augusta 13 and 15 have water in front of the green. So it's either hit the green or play short of the water. The data will show that those who laid up closest to the water would gain strokes on their 3rd shot.
I guarantee you my speculation is fact.
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