I was going to comment the same. Amanda Bynes was getting dragged for not speaking out, which is wild. The abuse she endured and her issues she deals with daily...and she's getting harassed over not giving a statement on this? So messed up. But yeah, can't believe she wasn't part of this conversation. I think Sunny would rethink her position if she knew this full context.
They should have watched the documentary on ID Channel or Max Joy asking what did Arianna had to do with this🤦🏽♀️. You can tell they only saw clips or heard about it The adults who worked on the show were scared to and didn't speak up, so why do they think kids would They don't know what these kids had to go through When one of the mom's spoke up, about how Dan was acting, they fired her son Bryan Hearne from All That. So the abuse still went on by Dan and the 3 predators like Brian Peck.
Sunny isn’t getting it. This isn’t a matter of making a public statement. All of those kids were CHILDREN in the public eye and whether or not they witnessed or experienced abuse, it is not their obligation to speak on it bc the public demands it. The public has no true idea what they experienced. Sunny needs to take a seat. You can stand for what’s right but their voices are not owed to people who aren’t in their shoes.
She claims to be an advocate for child abuse victims, but this just sours me on that notion. Frankly, I question if she had a traumatizing childhood. I did, and can say from experience that I would not be able to speak publicly on some things. With regards to Drake, I could tell that he was sometimes having to remind himself to breathe. Imagine if he had tried to speak out at the height of his mental issues or drug addiction. Bottom line is that we just don't know what the kids went through, what they remember and what they can currently cope with facing.
When Sara made the comment about looking back and processing things at the age you were at then, it jarred me. I had to shut off the video and process that for a while. That was deep!!! Love that lady ❤
I don’t think Ariana Grande is a traumatized person but more of an opportunist. She does not want to talk about Dan Schneider shooting foot play scenes with her because she doesn’t want her brand to be associated with the abuse others are finally speaking out about. The problem is she has a big enough platform to get the ball rolling on accountability but she is choosing to leave others out to dry because she is set financially so this doesn’t NEED to be resolved for her. When Amanda Bynes gets blacklisted for speaking up everyone says “but Ariana worked with Dan too doing similar scenes and she wasn’t bothered by it so you’re probably exaggerating” so yes bigger celebrities have an impact even when they think they don’t.
@@Mandrake591 I agree. Joy is 81 years old so I cut her some slack, she's been doing this for so long & is still a great moderator on Fridays. However, Anna and Sunny? Like were they just not listening during the meetings before the show? Good lord, it's ridiculous at times.
I agree.. outside of what Sara and Alyssa were saying the rest of this is very tone deaf and borderline ridiculous. Especially Sunny, she should understand the intricacy and complexity of this better than anyone at this table.
I find it really offputting that Sunny is demanding that children victims speak out now as adults because it's their duty for having a platform... when I remember Sunny only last year refusing to denounce Don Lemon for his verified abuse/harassment of women because Don was her friend. Her hypocrisy really grates.
I can't believe how tone deaf Sunny was in this segment. Simone Biles (and I'm sure many other gymnasts) didn't speak out about her experience with Nassar until a few years after he was exposed because she needed therapy and years to process it - according to Sunny does that mean she wasn't an ally when she didn't immediately speak out?
I have to disagree with Sunny because while former employees and former actors like Jennette McCurdy, Alexa Nikolas and Drake Bell have told their stories and their experiences on Nickelodeon, I don’t think we should bully people into telling their stories and they should be allowed to tell their stories if and when they are comfortable and ready. However Nickelodeon deserves all the criticism they are getting.
1. Trauma victims go through a lifelong healing journey. 2. Witnessing and experiencing as children are not the same. 3. I’m an adult who’s not yet healed of childhood trauma, but I always stand up. 4. No victim ever had to come out publicly. 5. Having a public persona does come with responsibility to speak out, but with limits stated above. 6. We can’t ever bully victims to speak out about their own trauma.
It was Rose McGowen that spoke up first when Harvey W. raped her in the 90s and no one believed her not even Melissa Malono when they worked on Charmes that's why she hates her.
@@1212CSmithwell she's also worked with victims and there's also research about how they use the shaming and pressure of bystanders in their manipulation and she's playing into that by basically trying to shame and guilt victims into speaking
Felt bad for what the former child stars went through during their time on Nickelodeon. I grew up on those shows as a 90s kid. Hopefully they'll find peace in their lives.
Would it kill Joy and Whoopi to do some kind of research on the non-political topics they discuss on the show? "What does Ariana Grande have to do with this?" 🤦♀️
@@JWilson-up2euor have you ever thought that it’s her trauma and if she’s not ready or doesn’t want to share it that’s completely up to her. peoples traumas aren’t yall entertainment
Thank God for Sara and Alyssa during this segment. The ignorance of the reality of trauma and the lack of empathy amongst the other three panelists is deeply disappointing.
Hey Sonny. You don’t know what it’s like to be abused or been traumatized so sit down. If you have been victimized you wouldn’t be so high on yourself. When you are in it you are trying to survive and being MADE to talk may retraumatize you. Victims need their own way of healing. Victims are terrified. You don’t owe anyone anything when you are trying to survive and move on. Get off your high horse Sonny. You don’t know what they are going through.
Sunny comes across as uncaring and sanctimonious in this. *Nobody* is obligated to speak out on anything publicly, just to make others feel good. These things happened when they were kids, which by witnessing it made them victims too.
I’m 31 , just this year I told my story to my friend about his dad. (step dad) Hearing Drake speak hit a part of me. Almost similar story , I was asleep and woke up to someone doing something to me and I just froze and stayed quiet Everyone should speak when they are ready.
Not on this one, but for the most part, yeah. Joy and Anna do to tbh. The only people that seem to treat her with any kind of respect are Whoopi and Sara.
I am a rape survivor and wouldn't want ANYONE to harrass me about "coming out". I do that when I'm comfortable with the circumstances. Sunny needs to take it down a notch.
You’re not a survivor of anything. If you were, you wouldn’t be supporting this predator. He groomed a 12 year old girl by sending explicit messages to her, which both him and his attorney admitted to. Then he was found guilty of Felony Child Endangerment. Guess you didn’t know about any of that, huh? Or are you gonna be one of the other predators and make excuses for his behavior? Because he admitted to it. He didn’t make excuses so it’s crazy to see so many others doing it for him. Lot of closet predators out here waiting for their time.
@@jarvismane6700 He pled guilty with responding to the text messages, as soon as he found out about her age he avoided contact and didn't exchange explicit pictures or harmed anyone And how are you going to speak on her experience when you can't even get your facts straight?
My abuser and abuse was real. I lived it. I'm a nobody. I am survivor. I am almost 60 years old and still struggling with it. Now, I am using this to write. I will no longer be silent.
Sara is 100% right! Just because you have it doesn’t mean you need to take the line lightly away from others you can support the victim in other ways that doesn’t diminish their story. Some of the big ones mentioned would have taken the light away from drake like Ariana or even Josh. You can use your platform for good but also know that a time and place is needed as Sonny said “heavy is the head that wears the crown”
I wonder how Sunny would feel if these now adults abused in childhood were pushed to own up to it in public when they really weren't ready to. And then she or he kill themselves due to the painful wounds that they weren't ready to handle. Stop being so righteous Sonny!!!!
Ally of what?! Sexual trauma? Sunny’s opinion makes no sense - we have no idea who was abused and who wasn’t so to even say someone like Ariana should come out is ridiculous and VERY classless.
I feel horrible that this happened to Drake Bell but I do feel like we should also talk about his victim-I don’t know how far he went but “In 2021, Bell pleaded guilty to a felony charge of attempted child endangerment and a misdemeanor charge of disseminating matter harmful to juveniles, related to inappropriate text messages he sent to a teenage girl in 2017.” -ET Now, I wonder if this had never happened to him if it’s possible his victim would not have been harmed-however having something bad happen to you does not give you a pass to harm someone else and I do think his victim should also be a part of the conversation.
Sunny is crazy on this one. You have no clue what someone who has witnessed something as a child has gone through. You don't know if they themselves have experienced it or are embarrassed about it. They have to work through it in their own time. Don't let someone who hasn't walked in your shoes in any way tell you how to overcome your trauma.
I get they are discussing the question of if you should speak out or not but using the quiet on the set documentary as the discussion point when they havent watched it or did any kind of youtube study on it is crazy . THey keep going "What does ariana have to do with it " like they didnt even watch the previews with her face on them smh ... how are you going to pose this question without the full understanding of who they are asking to speak out 👀
These woman are so delusional especially Sunny. Yes I agree when something is wrong and someone sees it they should stand up for what’s right. But there a lot of people who does speak up and they never get hurt in most situations the abuser gets protected and when that happens what should you do that’s a conversation that they need to be done. Not blaming the people who saw something or went through something and didn’t spoke up when in reality we don’t know if they ever did
I love how Sarah and Alyssa support eachother when the other try to gaslight them . Anna “let’s not conflate sexual abuse to politics” no one was doing Anna it was just a driver for the point of pressure to speak up . Glad Alyssa supported her there
It’s completely unfair to say that someone that might be a victim should speak up about something when they are not ready just because they have a platform. As Sara said, they were kids when this happened, hold the adults that were present to the fire not the kids that were abused!
I think everyone is definitely not on the same page. One thing is speaking out about crimes being committed that you witnessed another is making a public display of support for a victim to appeace audience members. Josh Peck doesn't owe us a public display of support he did things the right way by reaching out privately and giving Drake his complete support. Josh Peck himself didn't witness any of the abuse that Drake experienced so it's not his fault that he didn't speak out. Maybe in the future when the time is right he can make a public announcement encouraging people to speak up if they see something wrong but right now it's all about standing behind his friend in support. Neither Josh or Drake owe us anything else. I wish them both the best
I get Sunny's point, but, Sara has the best point. Politically, I agree influential people must come public, but to say how people traumatized when they were a children (being a victim or witness) should behave is not the right way to discuss this. Actually, it's sad how the focus of the topic was completely shifted. Beyond "who should do what" they could have talked about what was actually brought up in the documentary. Sad, it seems like some people in the table didn't even watch the documentary to comment it.
Is this the view topic? Not enough there there. Shoutout to Sarah, cogent, articulate, intelligent and ever so human. Love your manner, voice and persistence!
As someone who experienced childhood trauma, Sara is right the adult brain cannot go back and re-experience that trauma objectively. And Sunny saying that as an adult those who witnessed should come forward without the consent of the obused person could had a detrimental effect on their current adult life as a prosecutor working in child abuse cases she should know better.
Sara made the most sense to me. Its just not as simple as the others were making it. We have to let them deal with this how they need to. Yes it would be great if everyone spoke out but not everyone is ready.
honestly everyone made some good points but i’m against forcing anyone to do anything just because they are adults now is Irrelevant they were children at the time
Do these women not understand our brain will protect us? Especially when we're children. Some may be repressing the memories. They may just be remembering what happened. They need time to process and heal.
Sarah is by far the best speaker on this panel. She not only gets the topic but articulates in a way that connects with you. Hats off to Sarah to still able to put her point even though most of the people speak over her opinion while she calmly listens to others POV.
Is Sunny seriously condemning the victims of this circumstance more than the actual offenders? This segment should have been about the documentary and how a children's network allowed abuse. Instead it was about Sunny sitting there all smug, and victim blaming because "no one spoke up". If this were about all black women being the victims in this documentary, her tone and words would have been a lot different
I remember this happening to women who worked with Harvey Weinstein in the weeks after that came out. Women on talk shows shaming women who didn't speak out even though it was so clear that any of them could have been victims as well. This lady should check herself and apologize.
I agree with Sarah. Coming from a trauma-informed lens, one doesn’t always know what happened when they were younger-and finding out in adulthood maybe traumatic. It takes time to process…and many times, people may not want to use public platforms because it could be re-traumatizing or seen as an attention-grabbing. I do think the discussions do need to be had, though, surrounding how many child actors have been treated in the industry.
Getting people to vote is the same as speaking out on a traumatic experience you experienced?! Sunny, seriously… bravery and courage when it comes to trauma? Let victims speak when THEY are ready, let’s not gang up on people and traumatise them further.
wow that was really annoying to watch. this could have been a good discussion if it didn't go off the rails. Props to sara and alyssa for being on topic.
I'm sorry but it's absolutely hypocrital of Sunny of saying "no one has to use it (the platform) but they should use it for good" I wanna ask did you, Sunny & Sara use your platform for good when you came out on national tv & fed into the mob that forced & bullied Catherine, Princess of Wales, to come out when it was very clear she wasn't ready too & announce her cancer diagnoses when all she wanted was time & grace to let her 3 young children finish school & tell them before telling the world.
Why is what happened to Drake Bell labeled as "allegations"? The perpetrator confessed to what he did in a recorded conversation as well as pleaded no contest to the charges and was convicted of the crime. Sounds pretty clear to me that those aren't allegations. Also the perp didn't appeal the conviction hmmmmm
I say this as a sexual assault survivor myself, I get where Sunny is coming from-I just didn’t like how she said it, and I think all the women made salient points. When I told my mum what happened to me, and I had to go through the trauma of telling the cops, etc, I told her I should have kept it to myself, and she told me, that I did the right thing because it could happen to someone else, if it already hadn’t, and that could stop them. However, it’s not easy, and not everyone can do, but it still, unfortunately, needs to be done.
I'm sorry sorry that happened to you and your mother was absolutely right but some of your recent comments have been negative about me and I don't like that.
I agree with Sara and Alyssa in this segment. We don’t know what other Nickelodeon’s stars seen or were victim to. If they DID see and/or experience abuse, especially as a child, I’m sure there’s trauma to work through and as an ally I think it’s better to support them then to push them to make a public statement. If they didn’t see and/or experience abuse, I agree with Sara then I think being supportive to the victims is much more important than making a public statement especially in haste. Hearing about abuse from someone you know will probably make you recall all your interactions with them and perhaps question some of them now in hindsight but to make a statement before you delve into all that I think would be silly.
My daughter and I recently watched this doc and I was shocked at the sickening, sleazy things the adult stars, directors and producers allowed to be filmed and presented on air? The sexualization of the child stars and the mistreatment of the few women on the staff was very much like a frat house! Disgusting.
I hate when the internet forces people to speak up on things, they know nothing about. Because most times they just use it to chastise the person anyway
It hard for a surviver of child abuse to talk about something. That happen . I know I went though child abuse and sexaul abuse ..it took a long time to recover..if you know someone that was abused . Speak up if you can
As a harsh as what Sunny said might sound, the predatory behavior only ends when someone speaks up. In many cases predators feel empowered because they know their victims to be silent. Quite sure if you are a parent you will tell your child to let you know if someone is harming them immediately. You’re not going to say to them tell me on your own time. Now I will acknowledge it is tricky with kids but if you we let kids know at an early age that someone making any sexual advances to them is unacceptable perhaps they will feel brave enough to say it in the moment.
Sunny is wrong. Completely. Those with platforms MUST be selective and timely. One minute society criticizes them for not speaking up, and then, when they speak up, that same society says, “look, you’re making it all about you!” Sunny doesn’t even follow her own advice. She’s admitted plenty of times over the years that she did not speak up. Yet, has the arrogance to say that every celebrity should. She talks so much about not taking her experience away from her, yet sure does have a lot of arrogant demands of how others express their own experience. All of it, its easy for her to say.
Im a bartender. I saw a customer being inappropriate towards my colleague. I told my boss. He was told to leave. If you witness bad behaviour, SPEAK UP!
We cannot expect victims to speak out. If you watched the documentary (like Sunny didn't.) you'll see that there's a good chance Ariana is processing her own stuff.
We need to teach our kids to talk about it if someone (adults or older kids) is hurting them or abusing them or they are witnessing adults doing bad behavior to other children in a way that the child feels uncomfortable. These days you can’t leave your children with any adult. It’s hard to trust anyone around your kids now.
I think others should…. If the child or former child, now adult “should.” That is ridiculous! Let them deal with their experiences is the way that’s best for them. Period!!!
Devon is 33 years old. If he really wanted to put some real effort in accomplishing a career comeback, he should enroll in a university and get a Bachelor’s Degree in Film. I have Cerebral Palsy. I graduated from high school at 19. I got my Associate’s Degree in Theater Arts at 25, and I'm set to graduate with my Bachelor's Degree in Film this Christmas at 29.
As someone who watched it and as a kid who watched a lot of these shows as a kid, watching the clips back that they showed a lot of those acts were very weird and sexually charged under the context of “comedy” on top of having people working who had absolutely no right to be around children. While I understand what Sunny is trying to say, I’m with Sara. If people want to speak up about this documentary and give their experience of what happened to them or what they witnessed, they would have but they’re not obligated to do so just because we the public harass them to say something, it’s not right. What if they do say something and it’s different than what we want them to say? Then what? Reaching out to them privately to me is the much better way than to do it publicly.
Sunny is wrong. Just because I am famous does not mean I have to speak on every little thing. These were kids who were abused and we do not know what Ariana or anyone else knows or doesn't know. What they went through or didn't go through. Everyone needs to step back and let these people deal with their trauma their own ways and their own time.
people that force themself on you don't make announcements that they're about to perpetrate. a lot of shame and coercion is used to quiet the victims. if people do speak up there's a lot of cya bc really, no one wants to get mixed up in it and victim blame/shaming. not so conducive to speaking up or out in defense for reasons that can only be speculated upon until people come out and say what's what. i find it hurtful even if unintentional, these are the results of everyone's trauma. yes, i will assume that everyone involved has experience some that's made them/us all behave in ways. imo.
It's so clear that nobody was briefed adequately for this segment. Except maybe Alyssa. So sad.
I was going to comment the same. Amanda Bynes was getting dragged for not speaking out, which is wild. The abuse she endured and her issues she deals with daily...and she's getting harassed over not giving a statement on this? So messed up. But yeah, can't believe she wasn't part of this conversation. I think Sunny would rethink her position if she knew this full context.
@@mariarosemarie 100% agree!
It sounds like nobody even watched the documentary or even told the bare basics about it.
They should have watched the documentary on ID Channel or Max
Joy asking what did Arianna had to do with this🤦🏽♀️.
You can tell they only saw clips or heard about it
The adults who worked on the show were scared to and didn't speak up, so why do they think kids would
They don't know what these kids had to go through
When one of the mom's spoke up, about how Dan was acting, they fired her son Bryan Hearne from All That.
So the abuse still went on by Dan and the 3 predators like Brian Peck.
The topic only started to make sense to me when it got to Alyssah
Sunny isn’t getting it. This isn’t a matter of making a public statement. All of those kids were CHILDREN in the public eye and whether or not they witnessed or experienced abuse, it is not their obligation to speak on it bc the public demands it. The public has no true idea what they experienced. Sunny needs to take a seat. You can stand for what’s right but their voices are not owed to people who aren’t in their shoes.
She claims to be an advocate for child abuse victims, but this just sours me on that notion. Frankly, I question if she had a traumatizing childhood. I did, and can say from experience that I would not be able to speak publicly on some things. With regards to Drake, I could tell that he was sometimes having to remind himself to breathe. Imagine if he had tried to speak out at the height of his mental issues or drug addiction. Bottom line is that we just don't know what the kids went through, what they remember and what they can currently cope with facing.
I agreed with Sara the most in this segment
No certain folk twisted the oath of skull and bone for all races and covered it up with not in front of the kids . 👁️
Predators bank on folks remaining quiet. I do not agree with Sara.
Then you must also be a clueless, whyte woman because she contradicted herself, as well as making absolutely no sense.
Many such cases. She is the only reasonable one on this panel well and Alyssa. Everyone else is mean, hateful and aggressive
And Alyssa.
When Sara made the comment about looking back and processing things at the age you were at then, it jarred me. I had to shut off the video and process that for a while. That was deep!!! Love that lady ❤
Yes ❤
Very deep and as a child who watched that network we are even trying to process it all. It’s a lot
Yeah as a child, u can be manipulated by adults. Til adulthood, and what the adults did was wrong; it will be tough to break your "idea" of a person.
5:55 Alyssa is right. The story of Ariana weighing in publicly will overshadow the whole story
You can’t expect a traumatized person to be able to be “a brave ally”
This!!!
100%
Well said!
I don’t think Ariana Grande is a traumatized person but more of an opportunist. She does not want to talk about Dan Schneider shooting foot play scenes with her because she doesn’t want her brand to be associated with the abuse others are finally speaking out about. The problem is she has a big enough platform to get the ball rolling on accountability but she is choosing to leave others out to dry because she is set financially so this doesn’t NEED to be resolved for her. When Amanda Bynes gets blacklisted for speaking up everyone says “but Ariana worked with Dan too doing similar scenes and she wasn’t bothered by it so you’re probably exaggerating” so yes bigger celebrities have an impact even when they think they don’t.
@@HawkGirl0561 that’s an “insider’s” perspective?? 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡
Sara and Alyssa are the only ones at that table that make any sense.
I think they’re the only ones on the panel who do research, the rest just wing it and fall in to self righteous cliches.
@@Mandrake591 I agree. Joy is 81 years old so I cut her some slack, she's been doing this for so long & is still a great moderator on Fridays. However, Anna and Sunny? Like were they just not listening during the meetings before the show? Good lord, it's ridiculous at times.
I agree.. outside of what Sara and Alyssa were saying the rest of this is very tone deaf and borderline ridiculous. Especially Sunny, she should understand the intricacy and complexity of this better than anyone at this table.
I find it really offputting that Sunny is demanding that children victims speak out now as adults because it's their duty for having a platform... when I remember Sunny only last year refusing to denounce Don Lemon for his verified abuse/harassment of women because Don was her friend. Her hypocrisy really grates.
I can't believe how tone deaf Sunny was in this segment. Simone Biles (and I'm sure many other gymnasts) didn't speak out about her experience with Nassar until a few years after he was exposed because she needed therapy and years to process it - according to Sunny does that mean she wasn't an ally when she didn't immediately speak out?
Sunny used to prosecute these crimes!
Don Lemon didn’t abuse or harrass women. He’s gay.
@@naylas3908Sexuality has nothing to do with abusing and harassing women. Abuse and harassment is not limited to inappropriate sexual acts
I have to disagree with Sunny because while former employees and former actors like Jennette McCurdy, Alexa Nikolas and Drake Bell have told their stories and their experiences on Nickelodeon, I don’t think we should bully people into telling their stories and they should be allowed to tell their stories if and when they are comfortable and ready. However Nickelodeon deserves all the criticism they are getting.
You can’t tell Sunny anything. She thinks she knows everything.
Yeah when children are bred to be dumb and rated R before PG . We’ll see what good are the schools they attend .
Sunny has a lot of judgment about what others "should" do.
It’s probably that Christian thing 😆
So anti catholic
@@richardc8795her as a Christian? please.
@@camara1194 She is a christian. Hence all the judgement nonsense.
@@camara1194I know you aren’t talking 🙄
1. Trauma victims go through a lifelong healing journey.
2. Witnessing and experiencing as children are not the same.
3. I’m an adult who’s not yet healed of childhood trauma, but I always stand up.
4. No victim ever had to come out publicly.
5. Having a public persona does come with responsibility to speak out, but with limits stated above.
6. We can’t ever bully victims to speak out about their own trauma.
I agree
Sorry Anna, Ashley Judd did not start "Me Too" movement. It was Tarana Burke. She claimed it like it was her idea. Co-oping someone else's activism.
It was Rose McGowen that spoke up first when Harvey W. raped her in the 90s and no one believed her not even Melissa Malono when they worked on Charmes that's why she hates her.
I'm sorry but I disagree with Sunny Hostin here
That's because she's BEYOND wrong.
She's prosecuted predators and she knows their method of operation. They bank on the silence and fear of victims and those who witness the abuse.
@@1212CSmithSunny that u?
@@1212CSmithwell she's also worked with victims and there's also research about how they use the shaming and pressure of bystanders in their manipulation and she's playing into that by basically trying to shame and guilt victims into speaking
Shes an idiot
Sunny Hostin I don't think if people feel okay or don't want to talk about publicly what happened then they shouldn't have to
Agreed. She isn’t wrong that people CAN speak out if they a platform which incites change. However, I don’t believe you should be obligated to.
I disagree with Sunny as usual. Someone should not be forced to speak up especially a child.
Right
Shes not talking about current children.
So as a parent you would tell you son or daughter to remain silent if they are being molested?
I get what she’s saying, it was just stated clunky.
I think she meant speaking up as the adults they are now
Felt bad for what the former child stars went through during their time on Nickelodeon. I grew up on those shows as a 90s kid. Hopefully they'll find peace in their lives.
Would it kill Joy and Whoopi to do some kind of research on the non-political topics they discuss on the show?
"What does Ariana Grande have to do with this?" 🤦♀️
Lol right
That’s the producer’s job. And the fact is some of these hot topics aren’t being prepped until hours before camera time.
I actually appreciated the question because I didn't know the connection either
Because Ariana was at Nickleodeon during these times. She knows, she remained quiet to have her career.
@@JWilson-up2euor have you ever thought that it’s her trauma and if she’s not ready or doesn’t want to share it that’s completely up to her. peoples traumas aren’t yall entertainment
Thank God for Sara and Alyssa during this segment. The ignorance of the reality of trauma and the lack of empathy amongst the other three panelists is deeply disappointing.
Hey Sonny. You don’t know what it’s like to be abused or been traumatized so sit down. If you have been victimized you wouldn’t be so high on yourself. When you are in it you are trying to survive and being MADE to talk may retraumatize you. Victims need their own way of healing. Victims are terrified. You don’t owe anyone anything when you are trying to survive and move on. Get off your high horse Sonny. You don’t know what they are going through.
Sunny comes across as uncaring and sanctimonious in this. *Nobody* is obligated to speak out on anything publicly, just to make others feel good. These things happened when they were kids, which by witnessing it made them victims too.
I’m 31 , just this year I told my story to my friend about his dad. (step dad)
Hearing Drake speak hit a part of me. Almost similar story , I was asleep and woke up to someone doing something to me and I just froze and stayed quiet
Everyone should speak when they are ready.
Doesn’t Sunny bully Alyssa all the time lol
I didn't see any bullying
Not on this one, but for the most part, yeah. Joy and Anna do to tbh. The only people that seem to treat her with any kind of respect are Whoopi and Sara.
People have to handle things at their own pace.
I am a rape survivor and wouldn't want ANYONE to harrass me about "coming out". I do that when I'm comfortable with the circumstances. Sunny needs to take it down a notch.
You’re not a survivor of anything. If you were, you wouldn’t be supporting this predator. He groomed a 12 year old girl by sending explicit messages to her, which both him and his attorney admitted to. Then he was found guilty of Felony Child Endangerment. Guess you didn’t know about any of that, huh? Or are you gonna be one of the other predators and make excuses for his behavior? Because he admitted to it. He didn’t make excuses so it’s crazy to see so many others doing it for him. Lot of closet predators out here waiting for their time.
@@jarvismane6700
He pled guilty with responding to the text messages, as soon as he found out about her age he avoided contact and didn't exchange explicit pictures or harmed anyone
And how are you going to speak on her experience when you can't even get your facts straight?
well said Alyssa
These women are in no position to lecture about what's "right" when they're doing the bidding of their ABC bosses by being silent on other issues
My abuser and abuse was real. I lived it. I'm a nobody. I am survivor. I am almost 60 years old and still struggling with it. Now, I am using this to write. I will no longer be silent.
In agreement with Sara. Unless we experienced what others experienced we cannot know.
I get what Sunny is saying but she's wrong there. Trauma is personal. People can CHOOSE to be public but it's not an OBLIGATION.
Sunny is wrong!!!! Sometimes it takes years to speak up. Sometimes never. Those of us who have been there.....know.
Sara is 100% right! Just because you have it doesn’t mean you need to take the line lightly away from others you can support the victim in other ways that doesn’t diminish their story. Some of the big ones mentioned would have taken the light away from drake like Ariana or even Josh. You can use your platform for good but also know that a time and place is needed as Sonny said “heavy is the head that wears the crown”
Sometimes trauma is so deep it rules your life. As a victim of rape, i get it.
It's so frustrating and obvious that none of them watched the documentary or were at the very least sufficiently briefed on it.
Staying quiet is the worst thing you can do.
I agree.
THEY RUINED AMANDA BYNES LIFE
They really did smh. My heart breaks when I see photos of her now. 💔
I wonder how Sunny would feel if these now adults abused in childhood were pushed to own up to it in public when they really weren't ready to. And then she or he kill themselves due to the painful wounds that they weren't ready to handle. Stop being so righteous Sonny!!!!
Ally of what?! Sexual trauma? Sunny’s opinion makes no sense - we have no idea who was abused and who wasn’t so to even say someone like Ariana should come out is ridiculous and VERY classless.
I feel horrible that this happened to Drake Bell but I do feel like we should also talk about his victim-I don’t know how far he went but “In 2021, Bell pleaded guilty to a felony charge of attempted child endangerment and a misdemeanor charge of disseminating matter harmful to juveniles, related to inappropriate text messages he sent to a teenage girl in 2017.” -ET
Now, I wonder if this had never happened to him if it’s possible his victim would not have been harmed-however having something bad happen to you does not give you a pass to harm someone else and I do think his victim should also be a part of the conversation.
Sunny is crazy on this one. You have no clue what someone who has witnessed something as a child has gone through. You don't know if they themselves have experienced it or are embarrassed about it. They have to work through it in their own time. Don't let someone who hasn't walked in your shoes in any way tell you how to overcome your trauma.
Did Anna and Sunny use their voice to speak up about 'taxing the rich' at Jeff Bezos' dinner?
I get they are discussing the question of if you should speak out or not but using the quiet on the set documentary as the discussion point when they havent watched it or did any kind of youtube study on it is crazy . THey keep going "What does ariana have to do with it " like they didnt even watch the previews with her face on them smh ... how are you going to pose this question without the full understanding of who they are asking to speak out 👀
These woman are so delusional especially Sunny. Yes I agree when something is wrong and someone sees it they should stand up for what’s right. But there a lot of people who does speak up and they never get hurt in most situations the abuser gets protected and when that happens what should you do that’s a conversation that they need to be done. Not blaming the people who saw something or went through something and didn’t spoke up when in reality we don’t know if they ever did
I love how Sarah and Alyssa support eachother when the other try to gaslight them . Anna “let’s not conflate sexual abuse to politics” no one was doing Anna it was just a driver for the point of pressure to speak up . Glad Alyssa supported her there
This is an important topic and I’m glad they brought it up.
Sunny, address Princess Catherine, you ghoulish gossip!
It’s completely unfair to say that someone that might be a victim should speak up about something when they are not ready just because they have a platform. As Sara said, they were kids when this happened, hold the adults that were present to the fire not the kids that were abused!
I think everyone is definitely not on the same page. One thing is speaking out about crimes being committed that you witnessed another is making a public display of support for a victim to appeace audience members. Josh Peck doesn't owe us a public display of support he did things the right way by reaching out privately and giving Drake his complete support. Josh Peck himself didn't witness any of the abuse that Drake experienced so it's not his fault that he didn't speak out. Maybe in the future when the time is right he can make a public announcement encouraging people to speak up if they see something wrong but right now it's all about standing behind his friend in support. Neither Josh or Drake owe us anything else. I wish them both the best
I get Sunny's point, but, Sara has the best point. Politically, I agree influential people must come public, but to say how people traumatized when they were a children (being a victim or witness) should behave is not the right way to discuss this. Actually, it's sad how the focus of the topic was completely shifted. Beyond "who should do what" they could have talked about what was actually brought up in the documentary. Sad, it seems like some people in the table didn't even watch the documentary to comment it.
Is this the view topic? Not enough there there. Shoutout to Sarah, cogent, articulate, intelligent and ever so human. Love your manner, voice and persistence!
You would hope everyone would use their influence for good, but forcing anyone to speak out is plain silly.
That's exactly right baby boy
As someone who experienced childhood trauma, Sara is right the adult brain cannot go back and re-experience that trauma objectively. And Sunny saying that as an adult those who witnessed should come forward without the consent of the obused person could had a detrimental effect on their current adult life as a prosecutor working in child abuse cases she should know better.
Sara made the most sense to me. Its just not as simple as the others were making it. We have to let them deal with this how they need to. Yes it would be great if everyone spoke out but not everyone is ready.
Sara and Alyssa, the only ones speaking with empathy and common sense.
honestly everyone made some good points but i’m against forcing anyone to do anything just because they are adults now is Irrelevant they were children at the time
sunny always turns into a robot when it’s a legal note 😂😂😂
A bit surprised to see Sunny with this take considering she was a prosecutor that worked on sex crimes cases.
Do these women not understand our brain will protect us? Especially when we're children. Some may be repressing the memories. They may just be remembering what happened. They need time to process and heal.
Sarah is by far the best speaker on this panel. She not only gets the topic but articulates in a way that connects with you. Hats off to Sarah to still able to put her point even though most of the people speak over her opinion while she calmly listens to others POV.
Is Sunny seriously condemning the victims of this circumstance more than the actual offenders? This segment should have been about the documentary and how a children's network allowed abuse. Instead it was about Sunny sitting there all smug, and victim blaming because "no one spoke up". If this were about all black women being the victims in this documentary, her tone and words would have been a lot different
I remember this happening to women who worked with Harvey Weinstein in the weeks after that came out. Women on talk shows shaming women who didn't speak out even though it was so clear that any of them could have been victims as well. This lady should check herself and apologize.
I agree with Sarah.
Coming from a trauma-informed lens, one doesn’t always know what happened when they were younger-and finding out in adulthood maybe traumatic. It takes time to process…and many times, people may not want to use public platforms because it could be re-traumatizing or seen as an attention-grabbing.
I do think the discussions do need to be had, though, surrounding how many child actors have been treated in the industry.
Getting people to vote is the same as speaking out on a traumatic experience you experienced?! Sunny, seriously… bravery and courage when it comes to trauma? Let victims speak when THEY are ready, let’s not gang up on people and traumatise them further.
wow that was really annoying to watch. this could have been a good discussion if it didn't go off the rails. Props to sara and alyssa for being on topic.
I'm sorry but it's absolutely hypocrital of Sunny of saying "no one has to use it (the platform) but they should use it for good" I wanna ask did you, Sunny & Sara use your platform for good when you came out on national tv & fed into the mob that forced & bullied Catherine, Princess of Wales, to come out when it was very clear she wasn't ready too & announce her cancer diagnoses when all she wanted was time & grace to let her 3 young children finish school & tell them before telling the world.
Why is what happened to Drake Bell labeled as "allegations"? The perpetrator confessed to what he did in a recorded conversation as well as pleaded no contest to the charges and was convicted of the crime. Sounds pretty clear to me that those aren't allegations. Also the perp didn't appeal the conviction hmmmmm
I say this as a sexual assault survivor myself, I get where Sunny is coming from-I just didn’t like how she said it, and I think all the women made salient points. When I told my mum what happened to me, and I had to go through the trauma of telling the cops, etc, I told her I should have kept it to myself, and she told me, that I did the right thing because it could happen to someone else, if it already hadn’t, and that could stop them. However, it’s not easy, and not everyone can do, but it still, unfortunately, needs to be done.
I'm sorry sorry that happened to you and your mother was absolutely right but some of your recent comments have been negative about me and I don't like that.
That Hollywood is a strange place.
I agree with Sara and Alyssa in this segment. We don’t know what other Nickelodeon’s stars seen or were victim to. If they DID see and/or experience abuse, especially as a child, I’m sure there’s trauma to work through and as an ally I think it’s better to support them then to push them to make a public statement. If they didn’t see and/or experience abuse, I agree with Sara then I think being supportive to the victims is much more important than making a public statement especially in haste. Hearing about abuse from someone you know will probably make you recall all your interactions with them and perhaps question some of them now in hindsight but to make a statement before you delve into all that I think would be silly.
100% Sunny!!!! An adult has an obligation to use whatever means to support the cause of anything that caused any harm !!!
it's easy to tell others what to do when you're not one who was abused.
Alyssa is correct per usual
My daughter and I recently watched this doc and I was shocked at the sickening, sleazy things the adult stars, directors and producers allowed to be filmed and presented on air? The sexualization of the child stars and the mistreatment of the few women on the staff was very much like a frat house! Disgusting.
Yess Sara! Always on point! ❤
I hate when the internet forces people to speak up on things, they know nothing about. Because most times they just use it to chastise the person anyway
"What does Ariana Grande have to do it?" "Is it Drake the singer?" URGH. They are clueless about the topic.
It hard for a surviver of child abuse to talk about something. That happen . I know I went though child abuse and sexaul abuse ..it took a long time to recover..if you know someone that was abused . Speak up if you can
My heart goes out to all those victims especially the non celebrity poor ones
I like when Joy is the head host. She speaks clearly and doesn't use the weird voice and facial expressions Whoopi does.
Go through trauma Sunny so you understand.
As a harsh as what Sunny said might sound, the predatory behavior only ends when someone speaks up. In many cases predators feel empowered because they know their victims to be silent. Quite sure if you are a parent you will tell your child to let you know if someone is harming them immediately. You’re not going to say to them tell me on your own time. Now I will acknowledge it is tricky with kids but if you we let kids know at an early age that someone making any sexual advances to them is unacceptable perhaps they will feel brave enough to say it in the moment.
People should speak up in support of others
lol people bothers me when they what /or how someone should deal with trauma..They don’t HAVE to publicly/say anything if they’re not ready..
Sunny is wrong. Completely. Those with platforms MUST be selective and timely. One minute society criticizes them for not speaking up, and then, when they speak up, that same society says, “look, you’re making it all about you!”
Sunny doesn’t even follow her own advice. She’s admitted plenty of times over the years that she did not speak up. Yet, has the arrogance to say that every celebrity should. She talks so much about not taking her experience away from her, yet sure does have a lot of arrogant demands of how others express their own experience.
All of it, its easy for her to say.
Ana is slowly becoming a least favorite, disappointing! It’s like she is trying extra hard to provide an opposing view but it never gets makes sense.
Im a bartender. I saw a customer being inappropriate towards my colleague. I told my boss. He was told to leave. If you witness bad behaviour, SPEAK UP!
As usual Sara is the only one making sense.
We cannot expect victims to speak out. If you watched the documentary (like Sunny didn't.) you'll see that there's a good chance Ariana is processing her own stuff.
We need to teach our kids to talk about it if someone (adults or older kids) is hurting them or abusing them or they are witnessing adults doing bad behavior to other children in a way that the child feels uncomfortable. These days you can’t leave your children with any adult. It’s hard to trust anyone around your kids now.
I think others should…. If the child or former child, now adult “should.” That is ridiculous! Let them deal with their experiences is the way that’s best for them. Period!!!
Totally agree with Sara. The others don’t know what they’re talking about.
Devon is 33 years old. If he really wanted to put some real effort in accomplishing a career comeback, he should enroll in a university and get a Bachelor’s Degree in Film. I have Cerebral Palsy. I graduated from high school at 19. I got my Associate’s Degree in Theater Arts at 25, and I'm set to graduate with my Bachelor's Degree in Film this Christmas at 29.
I always say, you can’t let anyone speak for you. You should speak when you are ready and willing. Maybe these folks are not ready, it on their time.
As someone who watched it and as a kid who watched a lot of these shows as a kid, watching the clips back that they showed a lot of those acts were very weird and sexually charged under the context of “comedy” on top of having people working who had absolutely no right to be around children. While I understand what Sunny is trying to say, I’m with Sara. If people want to speak up about this documentary and give their experience of what happened to them or what they witnessed, they would have but they’re not obligated to do so just because we the public harass them to say something, it’s not right. What if they do say something and it’s different than what we want them to say? Then what? Reaching out to them privately to me is the much better way than to do it publicly.
Sunny is wrong. Just because I am famous does not mean I have to speak on every little thing. These were kids who were abused and we do not know what Ariana or anyone else knows or doesn't know. What they went through or didn't go through. Everyone needs to step back and let these people deal with their trauma their own ways and their own time.
I will say though, if you look back at some of the clips from Victorious they had Ariana doing some really weird stuff.
Did they not watch the documentary before speaking on it? Ariana was being exploited and is a victim too.
I agree with Sarah
I believe JOY BEHAR is the best main HOST the VIEW has ever had ( including Barbara)
Twenty year viewer!
Go Joy!!
people that force themself on you don't make announcements that they're about to perpetrate. a lot of shame and coercion is used to quiet the victims. if people do speak up there's a lot of cya bc really, no one wants to get mixed up in it and victim blame/shaming. not so conducive to speaking up or out in defense for reasons that can only be speculated upon until people come out and say what's what. i find it hurtful even if unintentional, these are the results of everyone's trauma. yes, i will assume that everyone involved has experience some that's made them/us all behave in ways. imo.
Watch the doc first