13:50 I’m a molecular biologist and the court and Baloyi 16:52 and Gininda are lying it’s not inconclusive. The expert said even if they matched in 15/16 it would still be excluded. I wish they take the DNA of the Judge and compare his results and I bet you he will match to a few regions
It is surprising what the judge is saying now after he compared DNA to fingerprint if 1 marker out of 6 doesn't match it's negative.Thank for enlightening those who were saying Sibiya and Ntanzi were present in the house because 12 out of 16 markers match.
@@dannym7593 No they can dispute not threaten to kill. I am not for the accused because they kill people even if they didn't kill Meyiwa but they are facing allegations today because someone mentioned their names. Here is Thembe vs AKA murder. His name was mentioned but he was decent to dispute the rumors in writing. Why must they want to kill Mngomezulu for mentioning names?? No aaaiiii😏😏😏.
Lets stop fooling ourselves, judging by the DNA Lesions analysis of Mncube (7/16) and Mapisa (4/16), these two accused have been placed in the crime scene, but the DNA collected by the police in the crime scene is not sufficient for positive placement (Assurance) but its enough for State argument hence the conscious selection of the word INCONCLUSIVE. The Défense should get their own Expert to rebut the State submission and they can't just argue with the Expert choice of words which might be acceptable in their field, the issue here is not exclusion but rather the number of DNA lesions found in the crime scene including interaction with the deceased. Law Students will tell you that Criminals ALWAYS take something and leave something at the crime scene, in this case they took Senzo's life and left enough evidence for conviction. The Prosecution is focusing on circumstantial evidence including this inconclusive DNA results, Accuse 1 & 2 confessions, Ballistic experts' testimony, Bank Statements is also rebutting accused versions ( mind you Ntanzi and Muzi's versions are that they were in KZN on the 26th of December 2014. The Defence approach is not really helping these guys and in my opinion, they should forget about 375 as the DPP has decided to suspend it and focus on 363, their approach wrong and the Judge is trying to help them but their minds are on social media propaganda. The murder weapon has been found unless rebutted next month, Zungu's evidence and certain photos taken on the 26th of October 2014 placed all Accused in the same area. You might not believe this but Zandi, Tumelo and Mthoko's evidence and collaborated by the inconclusive DNA sample is placing the Accused at the Crime scene. You guys are matured citizens please equip yourself with reading extracts of criminal law and court procedures. These comments will be kept for generations to come and think about your grandkids reading these ill-informed comments.
@@mandyntuli8122Let the defense call back Gininda. But they are scared because last time he schooled them about the law. They're now taking advantage of the poor lady. Gininda is the lead investigator and all what she did was to follow his instructions.
After watching today's court proceedings, I will be voting for FREEDOM FRONT PLUS. We need a change of government to correct all the wrongs we are witnessing.
@@Letsoalo_Maupa NO chance of that happening. They would rather go after "soft targets". They go after the "harmless, everyday ordinary man", and IGNORE the crimes of all the powerful elite rich people.
I fear that the wrong people could go down for the murder of the deceased at the end of this trial. I do not know what happened on the night myself, but I just want justice as a member of the society.
Just a mention of Llongwe Twala, Chicco Twala, Irvin Khoza, now Mr. Mngomezulu is targeted! This case is serious, buzochitheka.bugayiwe la, hope The South Africans are witnessing to what is happening in South Africa in the leadership of ANC.
😅 it simple the accid d can’t pay and now he is ants out. Why didn’t he call SAPS to come investigate. If his clients wasn’t there , he shouldn’t worry. Perhaps it just criminals wanting to come steal. We know SA has a problem with crime and our cops are under staffed and over worked.
@hope22hope41 It is because they are led by Gininda who thinks he can argue with science. I wonder if they would have said the same thing if the results were inclusive
Can defense read recommendations of the DNA report because now Ratha n Baloi they changing the evidence thy want to read it they way it will suit their mission
This Sgt went all the way to KZN to get a statement from Mthokozisi but left those who were close in Jozi. These two simply used this case for their baecation, I suspect.
i saw it on tefu now i expected it on you mgo from none payment, to the msg that was coming from legal aid that the accused no 1 will not be promise for help if they need mgo on main trail
haibo Baloyi, Tumelo identified the cellphone as his but that was desputed since he also said their phones were taken by the police the night before and the picture was taken bt Mosia in the morning...so which is which? Sergeant Moshwana on the 27th had the phones in a forensic bag already and was asked to do downloads which further proves that the phones were already with the police when mosia took pictures . Futhi Tumelo's phone is an S3 but Nxumalo saw an S4 which is not Tumelo's phone..bathong...
Unfortunately Mr Judge, you earn respect, you are so disrespectful towards the council but you telling us of your years of experience and with that you deserve to be respected mxm
Exactly respect is earned and not demanded. If as a father you keep on reminding children you are the father it means there is something amiss. Actions should speak for you
Did they take dna of the people in the house. To close this chapter of DNA the defence ask for DNA of all the people in the house too and compare them. Even if it was in 2014 they have the reference Sample they can just compare it with the people in the house …. Please defence ask for that
Hlukanani noMngomezulo omthintayo uzokuthola akufunayo yini ningabo Goliath's mthinteni nizobona chicco uzotholaka iskhathi yu a not clever mthinte uzobona we a not scared of you nalejustice e corrupt
The judge is the one incompetent, unprofessional and disrespectful. He keeps on tapping the table while the defence lawyers are questioning the witness. The sound its annoying.
I may be so wrong I feel the judge wants to protect the system that is so corrupt which is the saps. People were fired because they were incompetent regarding this case new team was appointed but she just doesn't know doesn't know... Aibo kanti Sisi wenzani?
The ONLY right thing judge ratha said today is "I am a so called judge"... because in my opinion, his (judge ratha's) behaviour in court is not becoming of a judge.... I did say IMO.
People with interest on the case should stop becoming judges of this case since The state has appointed only one judge one state advocate, and 5 advocates appointed by 5 different accused to get justice for the Meyiwa family
@@user-qq6dy2iu8p I don't know which country You are from, but in South Africa, WE (the people) DON'T TRUST THE STATE. Our leaders are corrupt (look at the charges against MOST of them) and the failure to charge others. I have NO personal interest in the case EXCEPT to see JUSTICE. Innocent people must not pay for the crimes committed by others. EVEN a blind person can see that this judge is partial, in favour of the prosecution. To conclude, brain-less people should not remind of things we already know.
Gininda is such an autocratic leader then: 1. He made decisions without consulting others 2. Had complete control and authority 3. Expects obedience and compliance from subordinates 4. Does not seek input or feedback from team members 5. Decides without considering others' opinions or ideas This is according to this witness... Can be clearly put as Mastermind
Public protector must be famished with the problem that arise when 375 is been mentioned in court... da, eff and others help those poor lawyers pls it’s about time
If that's the case naye uKelly uzoboshwa for being an accomplice,but still, that will leave holes as to why she called the nkabis ,why she dragged senzo back into the house and pulled for them a performance of a lifetime until the nkabis arrived, why she wiped her phone?why she refused a traumatized child to be interviewed ?why she hid she owns for numbers?why will Senzo's friends defend the Longwe they don't like ?and they never had time to plan +Mtho never slept kabo Kelly.Allegedly
Baloyi you are wrong that the court should confine itself only to the accused...there is statement from Gininda and this witness that there is mastermind...it talks to also the issue of common purpose
State will irritate you at times ..if the hurt found in the house was that of the accused and none of the ladies in the house claim to have had held it from the inside and we have one of this ladies as a suspect in the conspiracy why didn’t they compare the DA found in that hurt with all of those ladies who where in the house to deal with the mix findings issue ?🤷🏾♂️anyways clearly advocate Mnisi was high on something today 🤞🏽…adv Ngomezulu is being dramatic now court has to intertain Khaya fm staff?🤦♂️🤦♂️
This judge is biased. This case has gone horribly wrong from the start. The first judge was also horrible towards the defence. Something big happening here. Judiciary and state colluding here, Senzo 's family must forget about justice. 😢
You can't get justice for Senzo by siding with nkabis. How does this even make sense? Instead of letting the law takes its cause, you're disputing everything that the State put forward because of some conspiracy theories.
Do u remember u guys that neighbour who said who it’s not that we don’t know what happened in that spaza house we afraid of being assassinated, do u also remember the story of those two boys who were sitting by the corner who gave the evidence to the police and they were killed bt nobody knows how yooooh kunzima la South Africa , sizoya kwa Mhlabuyalingana thina
Thabang Makelane and Simphiwe Ngwenya. They helped Mrs steenkamp draw Mncube and Ntanzi + described the clothing Mncube wore that day with his dreadlocks,big eyes, and gold .I look at Mncube.He is exactly how they've described him.Allegedly
There is a lot they're hiding from first day ratha took the sit if you've been following the case it very clear and they wasting our tax money such a disgrace from an old man like him baloyi is his child they helping each other, and when it comes to the defense ratha treats them very low he just shout whenever he feels like too and it very bad picture seriously
The decorum and equiette of these proceedings and the way people are allowed to conduct themselves is just a testiment to the state of our judicial system. Extremely unprofessional zero respect for colleagues or members of the public.
🗣📢🔊🔝jp is enjoying this nonsense NO serious actions are taken ka mokôupêrê woo its disguisting🚮🚩🤮👎🏿I feel pity for mmagwe Senzo🥺Ha Mngoo a swa re itsi o bolailwe ke mang😡
We my understand legal Mnisi is wasting time For the past 50 minutes without asking questions but explaining the statements 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 Thank you Rata for being patient with Mnisi nonsense approach
even the DNA was a mixture you can still determine the different profiles of the different individuals, all the expert said and meant was its a mixture because they found a female and a male profile in there, which means they found both XY and XX on the gender determinant region. I think the LAW curriculum should mandate BIOLOGY + GENETICS as a course all lawyers should take and pass with an >80%, because it is very disturbing to hear a judge who doesn't understand genetics try to explain something he is not knowledgeable in...whit all due respect.
Exactly. Weird. His parents and siblings were in another Province. The only people who had to be visited was his wife, Kelly, Kelly sibling, my there, friend of Senzo and Longwe.
May be Gininda did, it's just that this question is directed to the wrong person Mogola and Mogane were part of the team but they were taking instructions from the lead invistigator Brgd Gininda
But she didn't visit those who were in the house....how can you conclude yr investigations without interview the rest of people who where in the house.....you can this thing is cooked that's my opinion
Sifiso Meyiwa is gullible and is the cause of all of this .He hired Afriforum because they can't be bought, he said, and they did their investigation after they came to the same conclusion as bab' Gininda he fired them .He sided with the sister of one of the accused, and it didn't stop there. uSifiso Meyiwa surrendered their watching brief to go defend people accused of killing his brother .He disregarded statements from whom he calls his friends who were in the house and sided with a sister owakhuliswa ngemali yobunkabi and went further to defend that kelly is not the mastermind a person who refused them excess to their child.Allegedly
Leading question by Baloyi when asking the witness about Dr Khoza's comment about Sifiso Meyiwa which was made on "affidavit". Defence should have objected. But they missed that
How is it wrong for the defence lawyer to summon people to be witness and especially the people who witnessed the crime!? Then the defence lawyer will be threatened! Whatever happens to Mr Mgomezulu we know its not any natural crime in SA , it's obvious it will be regarding the Zenso Meyiwa case. And he can't trust the SAPS. if there's nothing to hide why they have problem in helping solving the case to get the killer's!?
How can the investigations go outside what the witnesses who were in the house described. Why would the investigators create their own imagination how intruders should look like
The people who are trying to scare mngomezulu are stupid, we will all know who harmed him. They better stop coz they will be in more trouble. If I were them would make sure the lawyer is safe as they will be the suspects
13:50 I’m a molecular biologist and the court and Baloyi 16:52 and Gininda are lying it’s not inconclusive. The expert said even if they matched in 15/16 it would still be excluded. I wish they take the DNA of the Judge and compare his results and I bet you he will match to a few regions
It is surprising what the judge is saying now after he compared DNA to fingerprint if 1 marker out of 6 doesn't match it's negative.Thank for enlightening those who were saying Sibiya and Ntanzi were present in the house because 12 out of 16 markers match.
The public was concerned about Mgumezulu's life ever since he mentioned chico and son names, keep on praying people
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SAY T AGAIN😢
I saw this coming, you can't go around mentioning people's name without tangible evidence.
@@dannym7593If you have tangible evidence you wont be tthreatened? Forget, we are dealing with MAFIAS here, tangeble evidence or not
@@dannym7593 No they can dispute not threaten to kill. I am not for the accused because they kill people even if they didn't kill Meyiwa but they are facing allegations today because someone mentioned their names.
Here is Thembe vs AKA murder. His name was mentioned but he was decent to dispute the rumors in writing. Why must they want to kill Mngomezulu for mentioning names?? No aaaiiii😏😏😏.
Advocate Mnisi and Judge Ratha are Tom and Jerry. 🤣
Love hate relationship 😂😂
Kakhulu
😂😂😂I'm dead
Judges speaks the Law!
@@legran25 Ya he must, otherwise Mnisi will think they are in the same level.
For those who fought for justice for the Meyiwa now their life is in danger😢😢😢😢
😢😢😢💔
This is painful 😭
Lets stop fooling ourselves, judging by the DNA Lesions analysis of Mncube (7/16) and Mapisa (4/16), these two accused have been placed in the crime scene, but the DNA collected by the police in the crime scene is not sufficient for positive placement (Assurance) but its enough for State argument hence the conscious selection of the word INCONCLUSIVE. The Défense should get their own Expert to rebut the State submission and they can't just argue with the Expert choice of words which might be acceptable in their field, the issue here is not exclusion but rather the number of DNA lesions found in the crime scene including interaction with the deceased. Law Students will tell you that Criminals ALWAYS take something and leave something at the crime scene, in this case they took Senzo's life and left enough evidence for conviction.
The Prosecution is focusing on circumstantial evidence including this inconclusive DNA results, Accuse 1 & 2 confessions, Ballistic experts' testimony, Bank Statements is also rebutting accused versions ( mind you Ntanzi and Muzi's versions are that they were in KZN on the 26th of December 2014. The Defence approach is not really helping these guys and in my opinion, they should forget about 375 as the DPP has decided to suspend it and focus on 363, their approach wrong and the Judge is trying to help them but their minds are on social media propaganda.
The murder weapon has been found unless rebutted next month, Zungu's evidence and certain photos taken on the 26th of October 2014 placed all Accused in the same area. You might not believe this but Zandi, Tumelo and Mthoko's evidence and collaborated by the inconclusive DNA sample is placing the Accused at the Crime scene. You guys are matured citizens please equip yourself with reading extracts of criminal law and court procedures. These comments will be kept for generations to come and think about your grandkids reading these ill-informed comments.
When she was asked what was the nature of investigations, she started tatazeling😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Yes,she is biased.
Mnisi is the man ,he was able to expose.Kelly.
My lord..................My lord😂😂😂
@@lwandilemarudulu7950 🤣🤣🤣
All i am hearing from the witness on stand is My Lord My Lord My Lord My Lord My Lord My Lord My Lord My .
Brigadier Gininda this Brigadier Gininda that🚮🚮
She's correct.... What do you want her to say?
Instructions..... instructions...... instructions 😒🤖
@@mandyntuli8122Let the defense call back Gininda. But they are scared because last time he schooled them about the law. They're now taking advantage of the poor lady. Gininda is the lead investigator and all what she did was to follow his instructions.
She remembers nothing.
Ratha is treating defence advocates like his students, I've never seen a judge this biased before
And hes demanding respect from them
Yooh it’s like he has already made his decision very rude mnxxxm
They acting like students these avocade
But Monisi is disrespectful towards everyone
You are talking nonsense do you hear me do you know how procedural conducted
The biggest problem with the judge is that he doesnt listen at all especially when the defence speaks...mr know it all!!
After watching today's court proceedings, I will be voting for FREEDOM FRONT PLUS. We need a change of government to correct all the wrongs we are witnessing.
We are on same boat ...this is so annoying. Why we treat each other like this. Poor remains more poor...je3z
Because of this biased judge my vote is no longer secret "Viva Mk Viva
Can they assist to arrest biggest criminal Markus Jooste first
@@Letsoalo_Maupa NO chance of that happening. They would rather go after "soft targets". They go after the "harmless, everyday ordinary man", and IGNORE the crimes of all the powerful elite rich people.
Mngomezulu has squeezed in docket 375 that's why he is being targeted now.
What happened to him
I fear that the wrong people could go down for the murder of the deceased at the end of this trial. I do not know what happened on the night myself, but I just want justice as a member of the society.
On the upside we get to see first hand the injustice of the justice system
A case of malicious prosecution needs to be open against the state
🤞Retha has already taken decision no matter the evidence is put by the defence
It's not gonna be easier for him the whole world is watching nd he's aware of that....ukoyona icourt esemakhulukhuthu lend.
This judge can't even listen with a purpose to understand, how did he become a judge?
You are wrong
@isiahmagagula1694 very wrong he doesn't even know what's happening
Listen to the questions he ask those favourites student fools u call lawyers
Just a mention of Llongwe Twala, Chicco Twala, Irvin Khoza, now Mr. Mngomezulu is targeted! This case is serious, buzochitheka.bugayiwe la, hope The South Africans are witnessing to what is happening in South Africa in the leadership of ANC.
😅 it simple the accid d can’t pay and now he is ants out. Why didn’t he call SAPS to come investigate. If his clients wasn’t there , he shouldn’t worry. Perhaps it just criminals wanting to come steal. We know SA has a problem with crime and our cops are under staffed and over worked.
We thought as much… Mngomezulu’s life is under huge threat 😢
Loooool
It's his own doings. I would be irritated too if someone mentioned my name without evidence.
@dannym7593 but evidence is there, if u follow the case u will know
Chicco twala stop this take your phara to court get arrested compensate this people
The expect said all the suspects were excluded from the DNA found on the scene. That means they were not there
But not as per expect Ratha
Defense MUST recall DNA EXPECT 😮this 🧙♂️ ànd baloi THEY r busy changing some OF the EVIDENCE day and NIGHT
So true my friend
@hope22hope41
It is because they are led by Gininda who thinks he can argue with science. I wonder if they would have said the same thing if the results were inclusive
But in Baloyi and Ratha's court i tell you .things get easily changed eyooo we need to fight this nonsense guys
Mogola I can't remember
Mnisi Thank you
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Mnisi 😂😂😂shem
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😂😂😂😂ave ehlanya uMnisi uyahlekisa
Our justice system is a JOKE!!
No it isn’t.
The long hand of the law, will deal with you in various ways. Senzo had a wife and kid. So me f around and found out.
IS HIGHLY CORRUPT 🇿🇦
Most of South African a jokes themselves the way they think
Can defense read recommendations of the DNA report because now Ratha n Baloi they changing the evidence thy want to read it they way it will suit their mission
The defence never understood the regions
Mngo we are with you
This Sgt went all the way to KZN to get a statement from Mthokozisi but left those who were close in Jozi. These two simply used this case for their baecation, I suspect.
Welcome to South Africa when the judge can fight fro for witnesses 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
i saw it on tefu now i expected it on you mgo from none payment, to the msg that was coming from legal aid that the accused no 1 will not be promise for help if they need mgo on main trail
haibo Baloyi, Tumelo identified the cellphone as his but that was desputed since he also said their phones were taken by the police the night before and the picture was taken bt Mosia in the morning...so which is which? Sergeant Moshwana on the 27th had the phones in a forensic bag already and was asked to do downloads which further proves that the phones were already with the police when mosia took pictures . Futhi Tumelo's phone is an S3 but Nxumalo saw an S4 which is not Tumelo's phone..bathong...
I admire the coordination between prosecuting counsel
Dignified❤
Unfortunately Mr Judge, you earn respect, you are so disrespectful towards the council but you telling us of your years of experience and with that you deserve to be respected mxm
Exactly respect is earned and not demanded. If as a father you keep on reminding children you are the father it means there is something amiss. Actions should speak for you
This old man needs to be reminded that respect is reciprocal.. It's a take and give
Justice for meyiwas family that's all
Once master mind get arrested, everything is gonna unpacked
Stop it Baloyi,...Mnisi is correct... witness said that she knows that there's mastermind...haybo ..u decictate what to be questioned
Who was the Mastermind connected to? Which of the accused.
Such a judge...aways misinterpreting witness evidence to suit his perspective...inconclusive and excluded doesnt mean the same at all...
This is getting out of hands I wonder what going to happen next
UChico yena udliwa yini if uLongwe amsulwa
This witness is not helping
Did they take dna of the people in the house. To close this chapter of DNA the defence ask for DNA of all the people in the house too and compare them. Even if it was in 2014 they have the reference Sample they can just compare it with the people in the house …. Please defence ask for that
My question exactly where is DNA of the people who were in the house
What would that prove? They never denied being in the house. Unless the DNA is found on the bullet found in Senzos body.
According to judge ratha, advocate batoi is above the law. She can do as she like coming to charging people
Baloyi for president 🫅.375 will not see the light of day
@@Chibvunza if ths was a 🎬
Sit down mnisi wemvula you are asking rubbish from the witnes
what is rubbish shongwe
@@MakyZulu i m sorry my friend
Thousands of words uttered yet nothing tangible was said. Siyaya noba kubi.
Hlukanani noMngomezulo omthintayo uzokuthola akufunayo yini ningabo Goliath's mthinteni nizobona chicco uzotholaka iskhathi yu a not clever mthinte uzobona we a not scared of you nalejustice e corrupt
Aibo Gatsheni😅
Lol uzowazelaph ukuth ususwe wuban?
I wonder nizokwazi ukuba ngubani omthintile njengoba in 9 years kungaziwa uba ngubani othinte uSenzo😢😢
Bizani phela the people who were inside the house since this witness cannot answer
We have seen it coming Adv Mngomezulu😢...
Can't even trust the police for protection as Ratha adviced,hey madoda kunzima
He must stop his conspiracy theories and not mention people's name without evidence. He's stepping on other dangerous people's toes.
The judge is the one incompetent, unprofessional and disrespectful. He keeps on tapping the table while the defence lawyers are questioning the witness. The sound its annoying.
I may be so wrong I feel the judge wants to protect the system that is so corrupt which is the saps. People were fired because they were incompetent regarding this case new team was appointed but she just doesn't know doesn't know... Aibo kanti Sisi wenzani?
2024! A year of receipts!
@@nqobilencube2259you're not wrong n we hv front row seats!
The ONLY right thing judge ratha said today is "I am a so called judge"... because in my opinion, his (judge ratha's) behaviour in court is not becoming of a judge.... I did say IMO.
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People with interest on the case should stop becoming judges of this case since The state has appointed only one judge one state advocate, and 5 advocates appointed by 5 different accused to get justice for the Meyiwa family
@@user-qq6dy2iu8p I don't know which country You are from, but in South Africa, WE (the people) DON'T TRUST THE STATE. Our leaders are corrupt (look at the charges against MOST of them) and the failure to charge others. I have NO personal interest in the case EXCEPT to see JUSTICE. Innocent people must not pay for the crimes committed by others. EVEN a blind person can see that this judge is partial, in favour of the prosecution. To conclude, brain-less people should not remind of things we already know.
🤣🤣🤣🤣So true
Gininda is such an autocratic leader then:
1. He made decisions without consulting others
2. Had complete control and authority
3. Expects obedience and compliance from subordinates
4. Does not seek input or feedback from team members
5. Decides without considering others' opinions or ideas
This is according to this witness... Can be clearly put as Mastermind
Read the roles of senior investigating officer before you sound ignorant.
True hey, all the wrongs back to him, and you know what it is all his instructions knowing that he will still gonna come and cover up everything again
Public protector must be famished with the problem that arise when 375 is been mentioned in court... da, eff and others help those poor lawyers pls it’s about time
Remember the pp is biased also, so she won't be of assistance
Now it makes sense why Kelly called Chicco Thwala first after Senzo was Shot. Azivuleke izimbhobo
Ayikho le nto yaleli jaji 🚮
Cha nina nizoboshwa ngoba ukelly uzolikhipha iqiniso ukuthi umuntu owadubila wayesendlini , I'm sure anisazwani nodwa maphoyisa kanjalo nababesendlini abasazwani bebodwa
Kaze bangaki ababoshiwe bengenze lutho ngenxa ka gininda nani nimlekelela , kodwa unembeza awusoze wawususa ngalutho , uNkulunkulu usithanda sonke
If that's the case naye uKelly uzoboshwa for being an accomplice,but still, that will leave holes as to why she called the nkabis ,why she dragged senzo back into the house and pulled for them a performance of a lifetime until the nkabis arrived, why she wiped her phone?why she refused a traumatized child to be interviewed ?why she hid she owns for numbers?why will Senzo's friends defend the Longwe they don't like ?and they never had time to plan +Mtho never slept kabo Kelly.Allegedly
The republic of south africa must produce more people like Baloyi Brigadier Gininda Rathas buningi bugebengu kulela live
NPA charges an accused not the police.
Wow, what😮.
This is a Banana Republic
Ijaji liqamba amanga DNA ayikho eyabasolwa
Mnisi I asking the right question to the wrong witness
Baloyi you are wrong that the court should confine itself only to the accused...there is statement from Gininda and this witness that there is mastermind...it talks to also the issue of common purpose
State will irritate you at times ..if the hurt found in the house was that of the accused and none of the ladies in the house claim to have had held it from the inside and we have one of this ladies as a suspect in the conspiracy why didn’t they compare the DA found in that hurt with all of those ladies who where in the house to deal with the mix findings issue ?🤷🏾♂️anyways clearly advocate Mnisi was high on something today 🤞🏽…adv Ngomezulu is being dramatic now court has to intertain Khaya fm staff?🤦♂️🤦♂️
Mastermind as Nonhlanhla Kelly Khumalo 😢
This judge is biased. This case has gone horribly wrong from the start. The first judge was also horrible towards the defence. Something big happening here. Judiciary and state colluding here, Senzo 's family must forget about justice. 😢
No be isn’t. He speaks the Le. He isn’t there for emotions and biases. The law is written and he has to apply the law accordingly.
It you who are biased
@@legran25
Then you should tell him that. The Law is blind.
You can't get justice for Senzo by siding with nkabis. How does this even make sense? Instead of letting the law takes its cause, you're disputing everything that the State put forward because of some conspiracy theories.
Is this 3 Counselors do they forsee themselves as future Judge's..I do doubt unless it will be black empowerment to appoints them infuture
Did any of them say he is eying the position of the judge? This case has exposed the IQ of facebook lawyers.
Many were critizing Teffo and eventually his license got revoked. Now what is the difference here with what Teffo was alluding?
I cannot agree more. My point exactly 🎉🎉🎉
Teffo had no evidence of what he was talking about and Mngomezulu is following his footsteps.
Huge difference
Yes. He was having docket 375 of which siyalifuna. Truth is in that docket not this hogwash we are listening to.
Do u remember u guys that neighbour who said who it’s not that we don’t know what happened in that spaza house we afraid of being assassinated, do u also remember the story of those two boys who were sitting by the corner who gave the evidence to the police and they were killed bt nobody knows how yooooh kunzima la South Africa , sizoya kwa Mhlabuyalingana thina
THIS LADY mogola police woman mamfundisi is leading in this case WITH CORRUPTION 😮WHEN THEY'RE SHUSHU REFERS TO kininda
It's crazy that no one is talking about that, they can't just say this case is a cover up and not mention such things
Thabang Makelane and Simphiwe Ngwenya. They helped Mrs steenkamp draw Mncube and Ntanzi + described the clothing Mncube wore that day with his dreadlocks,big eyes, and gold .I look at Mncube.He is exactly how they've described him.Allegedly
@@sarahmelodingvirginia2043women of the match
Baloyi and Ratha must be investigated and audited their lives in connection with these case
There is a lot they're hiding from first day ratha took the sit if you've been following the case it very clear and they wasting our tax money such a disgrace from an old man like him baloyi is his child they helping each other, and when it comes to the defense ratha treats them very low he just shout whenever he feels like too and it very bad picture seriously
The decorum and equiette of these proceedings and the way people are allowed to conduct themselves is just a testiment to the state of our judicial system. Extremely unprofessional zero respect for colleagues or members of the public.
🗣📢🔊🔝jp is enjoying this nonsense NO serious actions are taken ka mokôupêrê woo its disguisting🚮🚩🤮👎🏿I feel pity for mmagwe Senzo🥺Ha Mngoo a swa re itsi o bolailwe ke mang😡
No one has laid a formal complaint, excl social media advocates
But Mnisi has made my day, you like it or not but we our about the get the bottom of this of case
Ababulali ba senzo meyiwa nabaya lapha e court hhayi longwe niyamnyela
We my understand legal
Mnisi is wasting time
For the past 50 minutes without asking questions but explaining the statements 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 Thank you Rata for being patient with Mnisi nonsense approach
That's why Adv Baloyi never entertained his questions on recross examination.
As well as mshololo' nonsense questions
Mnisi is the worst of them all and he is so disrespectful
This man is not professional so called Advocate
I don't think his disrespectful but his too hasty ( rushing into question, listening skills are slim) but his on point
Zyakhala ngempelake manje
Only meeting and introductions was to those within the house and perhaps Senzos wife and child at the time. Everything coming from Kazan is hearsay.
What's the F..k is wrong with this Judge
Nothing 😂
THIS MENEMENE OLD MAN JUDGE IS LIKE THAT
Nothing he is very professional this old man
even the DNA was a mixture you can still determine the different profiles of the different individuals, all the expert said and meant was its a mixture because they found a female and a male profile in there, which means they found both XY and XX on the gender determinant region.
I think the LAW curriculum should mandate BIOLOGY + GENETICS as a course all lawyers should take and pass with an >80%, because it is very disturbing to hear a judge who doesn't understand genetics try to explain something he is not knowledgeable in...whit all due respect.
Uyabona ke ukuthi uChicco wenzani nina enithi labafana ababoshiwe babulala uSenzo, izimbobo ziyavuleka ngaku Longwe sebaya mzingela manje
Each time you are in court you telling the truth. Sometimes that should be the witness answer
It's nice to give someone an aloe to drink but when it comes back to you to drink it becomes soo bitter.
Heyi, Heyi, 🤭!
Le judge 🙆🙆,...
Heyi, Heyi, 🤭😁!!
Le judge 🙆🙆🙆🏃♀️
Mnisi is confused 😕 Why should the witness go to Senzos family ? They were not involved in the murder😢
Exactly. Weird. His parents and siblings were in another Province. The only people who had to be visited was his wife, Kelly, Kelly sibling, my there, friend of Senzo and Longwe.
A criminal case is not a GAME!
Why will Police from Jhb go visit the family. The family wasn’t there when it happened.
Lol
The investigator has to inform the family that he or she is in charge of the case
May be Gininda did, it's just that this question is directed to the wrong person Mogola and Mogane were part of the team but they were taking instructions from the lead invistigator Brgd Gininda
But she didn't visit those who were in the house....how can you conclude yr investigations without interview the rest of people who where in the house.....you can this thing is cooked that's my opinion
Sifiso Meyiwa is gullible and is the cause of all of this .He hired Afriforum because they can't be bought, he said, and they did their investigation after they came to the same conclusion as bab' Gininda he fired them .He sided with the sister of one of the accused, and it didn't stop there. uSifiso Meyiwa surrendered their watching brief to go defend people accused of killing his brother .He disregarded statements from whom he calls his friends who were in the house and sided with a sister owakhuliswa ngemali yobunkabi and went further to defend that kelly is not the mastermind a person who refused them excess to their child.Allegedly
If they visited the family or not, what does it have to do with the case
Now we see who is behind the killing chicco period.
Leading question by Baloyi when asking the witness about Dr Khoza's comment about Sifiso Meyiwa which was made on "affidavit". Defence should have objected. But they missed that
Mnisi cant hear Mngomezulu cant see clearly.😢 Thus trial is jinxed😢😢😢
Mnisi is a fighter❤❤
I really like this judge he knows the laws
Mgozulu must go to police and lay a charge.
ALSO it can happen because my friend mother was shot dead by indruders during house breaking
Which going is going tuffer is mnisi wemvula is talking about ?
Ratha is fine lecturing, but if its done by others, he has a problem. This is nonsense.
Wena Bomphocelani lo chicco thwala unemanga wena mngomezulu you want special treatment vele nje lo chicco umsukelangani
Ratha😢😢
How is it wrong for the defence lawyer to summon people to be witness and especially the people who witnessed the crime!? Then the defence lawyer will be threatened!
Whatever happens to Mr Mgomezulu we know its not any natural crime in SA , it's obvious it will be regarding the Zenso Meyiwa case. And he can't trust the SAPS.
if there's nothing to hide why they have problem in helping solving the case to get the killer's!?
How can the investigations go outside what the witnesses who were in the house described. Why would the investigators create their own imagination how intruders should look like
The people who are trying to scare mngomezulu are stupid, we will all know who harmed him. They better stop coz they will be in more trouble. If I were them would make sure the lawyer is safe as they will be the suspects
If the shooter isn’t linked to Kelly, she is out. The shooter was used because he fall for gossip.
Defence need to learn about the executive.
Akuna lutho ku mngomezulu
I m still watching what happened to Mgomezulu i m still on reexamination of baloi
This useless woman is worse police.
Lamehlo # 3 ngiwo vele lawalabawachaza
So Ratha gets annoyed when the accused raised hands to their representatives😅😅.
What a joke! SA!
Advocates is a joke