Examining Why Greta Van Fleet Gets So Much Hate | Indiecast
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2021
- Steve and Ian dive head first into a discussion of 'The Battle At Garden's Gate,' the latest from Greta Van Fleet. In many ways, the Michigan band is an extension of the bands that popularized hard rock over the last fifty years. Despite being one of the most critically reviled young bands of today, the group holds an important role in the lineage of bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Van Halen, Guns N' Roses, and more, who brought hard rock to the masses and had some of the best selling albums of all time. At the end of the day, Greta Van Fleet remains a band so preposterous in the year 2021 that they are endlessly endearing and fun to engage with.
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How do you feel about Greta Van Fleet?
I think they have some really great songs. I don't get all the hate to be honest.
I hate em
Na gvf are totaly stupid
All there songs SUCK
Amazing band that's actually doing the music we like but in the modern day
Rock reviewers are the biggest snobs. I don’t think we can afford to be snobs. We need more rock, no matter how they build their career. For their age, they are extremely talented and have a very promising future. Also, they are borrowing from their idols just as their idols did from THEIR idols. Led Zeppelin was accused of plagiarizing many bands and blues greats. Rush was accused of stealing their sound from Zeppelin. The snobbery needs to end and we just need to let the rock resurgence to take hold. They are a good band. Period.
I think we are all guilty of looking back with rose tinted glasses. we also have to remember it takes a long time for our hero's to reach that peak. I'm all for new rock music in any form.
Thank you. I couldn't put my finger on what disturbed me. Yes, these two act like snobs. Real condescending. And they think they make up for it by constantly repeating: " But at the end of the day I actually like the band." Rubbish!
Guys it’s like listening to Yes, Rush, Zepplin, Moody Blues all rolled into one with their own flair. It’s fresh. It’s not about singing about dying, or abuse, or how life sucks, which is awesome in this day and age. Josh has and incredible voice, Jake is an amazing guitar player, Sam makes me wish I could play piano like and of course Danny just creates a great rhythm for the songs. What do want them to do, play Hip Hop or bubblegum pop. And the best part is they look to be having so much fun playing together. We need more rock bands.😊
What the hell is so wrong with a group of kids just making music that they love? It’s not their fault that the music that they love isn’t acceptable in this industry where music is taken so seriously. While I still love the band I understand why people criticize them. However, I don’t understand why people need to be so militant towards them. It’s just music, you can choose not to listen to it……
I choose not to listen to it.
Someone (less judgemental) must like them because all of their shows are sold out and their albums hit #1 on the rock charts every time. Oh yeah, and then there's that Grammy. Not too bad for a band of brothers from little Frankenmuth (NOT Detroit) Michigan who have only been doing this for about 3 years. I look forward to seeing how they grow and like LZ, who was lambasted at every turn for the first few albums, I think time and a bit of patina will play things out in their favor.
The difference was when LZ came they we’re the biggest band in the world and got a bunch of awards and completely changed rock music as a whole
@@chrismarple Not at first they weren't. They were lambasted by critics at every turn in their early years. The only Grammy they won for an album didn't come until 2014. Their other 3 were for Lifetime Achievement, etc. I think Greta Van Fleet will be the same way (except they won a Grammy for their first album) causing a lot of controversy in the early days, but they've grown so much in just a 3-album cycle that I think they have a bright future ahead of them.
Plus they are freaking good
Guys just listen to Zeppelin, you're wasting your time with Gvf
@@Codgerism I'm female and I listen to both. Grew up on Zep and don't mind at all that GVF started off sounding like them. Every band has their influences, starting off. I just can't figure out why they've gotten so much flack when there have been at least a dozen other Zep imitators that didn't get anywhere near the same treatment. Of course those other bands weren't much of a success, so maybe that's the problem. These guys are actually good.
Their newest Starcatcher comes out in a couple weeks. It is sounding like they are maturing very well. They are arguably even better live! Amazing talent all the way around.
Zeppelin was hated and reviled by the magazines and critics because they were taking all these classic blues tunes and, in many eyes, “perverting” them. In the time of Clapton, the watershed of blues artists before him and the British folk revival… there was the loud and sexual Led Zeppelin. Critics and purists found themselves asking “Why do these clowns get a seat at the table?”
The difference between Zeppelin and GVF is the pushing of boundaries.
Zeppelin was reimagining (some would say stealing, but that another conversation) blues classics that were getting tired. They were innovative, inventive, bold and created something truly unique. (Even if they didn’t do the best job of giving credit)
Speaking of giving credit… GVF deserve all the credit for doubling down on doing what they love. They’re young, undeniably talented and should focus on having the time of their lives. BUT. When it comes to their sound? Their look? Lyrics, etc.
It’s derivative. It doesn’t risk much of anything because we hear all of the influences so clearly. The only risk being taken is playing rock music in a post-rock world.
I’d love to see them continue to grow, and move in a more original direction. Maybe alienate some of the Zeppelin fans and challenge the boundaries of rock music.
That’s the Greta Van Fleet I’m looking forward to.
I’d like to know what you think; now that you have hear their second album. 😃
And if you have seen them in person. They are amazingly good
Let’s make sure we’re all educated on a subject before we critique it. ✌️☮️
What???
@@jugglerj0e some of the things said in the video weren’t facts. All opinions are valid, I just found it sort of vain to criticize and compare a young band when they hadn’t developed into their own voice. I find that comparison often kills art, and I think they the makers of this video didn’t give gvf a fair chance before judgement.
They’re a great band. I’ve spent 30 years trying to get 25% of they’re talent. I can play, I can do crazy stuff. But talent isn’t something I possess.
Were not all fortunate to have 4 brothers who all play music, and can practice every day.
Geddy Lee of Rush went through the same criticism and look how far he got.
Yes! This band needs to ignore stupid critics who think they are experts. Those critics can go back and review Taylor Swift instead.
To be fair I've been on the fence for a while about this guys, but their last album is just epic, and they are extremely accomplished musicians who are creative and passionate. Their sound is becoming more their own and in a world full of clones that barely use 3 chords in their songs almost dropping to two, these guys are a breath of fresh air. They are actually creating real music and art at the same time, they have earn my respect not to mention they are pretty grounded individuals that do know how to laugh about themselves and have a lot of courage that most bands nowadays lack.
Agree!! Love them! ❤
The biggest mistake is listening to one song and thinking they are a Led Zeppelin rip off when you listen to more of their music you realize they are very original and can do things that Led Zeppelin never did
Pretty much the spirit of every critical pile on of groups (like what happened to LZ initially) until their popularity allows the generation that loved them to grow up to control the press and then they are (sadly) sanctified. These guys have as much or more talent than all the bands they are compared to. Their music is still immature (they were teens for most of the writing of it) and it's still better than most of the bands of the eras they clearly draw from (except for the greats). That people hyperfocus on their Zep inspired tunes shows how little they've listen to GVF. As usual, big opinions tend to flow from ignorance. And these rock critic snobs intellectual pretenders - just like the music critics of every era that are so out of touch.
You could answer also a question ; why Led Zeppelin got so much hate? believe me, they got a LOT a .lot of hate of course at that time it wasnt around Twetter , You Tube ect... heheeeh same old story
My take on why some people might hate it: a lot of music critics, and audiences in general, judge music by their cultural impact. They want new artists to create something new, not do an exact thing that has been done for about 60 years. Some people want new art to determine the future of the culture and medium, influence what other artists will create and be inspired by, and determining what audiences are looking for and expecting from the media. They want new art to influence and inspire more new art, have a cultural impact in inventing something that has not been done before. In a way, Greta van Fleet would be an example of why ''rock is dead''; none of the mainstream rock music is, relatively (compared to other genres), innovative. All artists are creative, but not all are innovative, not all are determining and influencing the future of the culture, what other artists are creating, what audiences like.
Personally, I like Greta a lot. But I can see why some people might be frustrated when you want or need new artists to do something new, and have an immense impact. ''Rock is dead'' may not mean ''nobody plays rock anymore'' or ''nobody listens to rock anymore''. Perhaps it means ''nothing new is happening in mainstream rock'', which I, personally, don't entirely agree with either.
It's pretty hard to innovate these days when everything has been done. Music is like fashion, it goes in circles. The only thing that could make a whole new genre (not subgenre) is the invention of a totally new and interesting instrument. Bands like Greta Van Fleet are only a natural evolution, yet still within that circle. I like them for who they are, I like their sound. And I don't give two shits about comparing them to anything else.
This is exactly why I hate them. It's like how hollywood just keeps making reboots and remakes of already good movies. Are the remakes better? Fuck no. They are shadows of the original and they are missing the cultural impact they made when the OG came out. I don't applaud kids that used trace paper but made spider-man green instead and I don't applaud movie reboots, Chaoseum or gretta van fleet. I'm not mad you enjoy them and it is good to see even though you like them you understand why they get the hate they do.
@@metalscottsman It seems like we indeed feel the same way, I feel ;P
art and media need to be pushed forward and expanded upon. Let's hope Greta's next album is aware of that and does that! There is so much more untapped potential in rock, in recording equipment and methods, there's so much more ingenuity to be exercised! They are, poorly, breathing life into fossils, rather than animating a whole new way of recording and performing music.
I hope I kind of conjured some words that resonate with the way you feel about this.
@@music4meh You did. I've had the same conversation many times about when will rock finally usher in something that sakes up music. Led Zep, Pink Floyd, The Who, Sabbath. Then metal(i hate glam metal), then grunge, Nu metal was surprising and different but since 2000-ish where has rock been? I've just been waiting for the next thing whatever it may be to shake up rock music.
@@metalscottsman Loving that you mentioned The Who (I'm named after them in real life :P)
I agree, after grunge, there hasn't been any interesting developments in rock, but I do think that there have been a lot of noteworthy albums, from Alice in Chains (after Layne died) to all the things Robert Plant did, to Rammstein. But no one has been pushing hard rock to its limits in order to make it rise like a phoenix, or I haven't seen it yet. People pretending Greta does it is kind of annoying, and one of the reasons rock seems dead: it just isn't doing anything groundbreaking that hits the mainstream. I wish Jeff Buckley was allowed to live a little bit longer...
I think theykick ass. Probably the best group to come out in the past 30 years.
I mean, the critics hated Queen when they started out as well, so I don't worry too much about the hate they get from people who think they alone can define what rock and good music is.
There is no denying that this band has talent, that they are evolving with each album, and that they really just go out there, promoting their love for people, peace' love, and music. They play as they want to and dress as they want to and I really don't get how people can hate them for it. There's not one evil thought between the four of them.
Why can't people just cheer on people who make music that makes other people happy? That, I think, can only be a good deed
The elephant in the room: their facial features are insane and that drives people mad on a subconscious level (it happens the same with Hanson 25 years ago, for those with short memory)
There's so much focus on how music 'needs to evolve' and how it's not allowed to play like they did in the old days, 'cause "that's a ripoff".
Everyone in the music industry needs to come up with something new, and God help them, if they build with the bricks that the ancestors left behind!
I mean, look at Taylor Swift; don't tell me she has invented anything new music-wise, but that doesn't mean she makes boring and/or bad music!
The level of innovation that happened in the 20tht century music-wise is crazy, and it's simply not fair to demand the same level of innovation from today's artists - that goes for all genres. At some point, all the tools have been used before and all the sounds have been heard before and it has been getting exponentially more and more difficult to come up with something new and at the same time have it sound good.
Look at the culinary world: because of this demand for innovative food and "going where no one has gone before", there are restaurants that make food out of soil and ants! Personally, I'd much rather enjoy a good old-fashioned but perfected Sunday roast dinner
I love that type of sound, sounds amazing, love their lyrics. ❤
Your commentary makes you sound really out of date with music in general. I’ve seen both Stone Temple Pilots and Greta Van Fleet live. You have no idea how refreshing it was to see a band put on a great live listening experience compared to the sadness of a strung out front man just going through the motions during a live performance.
They get so much hate 'cause they're so fuckin' GOOD!!!! And that's allright....
Give us a break pls. Your review is weak. Of course GVF is exceptionally Genuis! Their way pass bands of this time & the creative, artistic, imagination is all that more interesting, definitely not the same old, old depressing, repetitive thing. More power to GVF, a fresh style that can't be matched. Why do you think they won a Grammy? Uniquely, Energetically on top of the Rock World 🌎 🎶!
Get your facts straight. They're not from Detroit.
People who hate on Greta Van Fleet should shove it! This band is amazing!!! Their music rocks so hard. Who cares if they sound like Led Zeppelin.
greta vanfleet are talented musicians, and talented performers. by those very conditions you could consider them talented ARTISTS, but i think this is where they are the most lacking.
its because typically art is considered a form of expression as opposed to emulation (despite it always being somewhhat both consciously or unconsciously) and greta vanfleet seems to emulate more than express (or expound upon) their own ideas. Based on their music, i can tell nothing about who the band actually is other than REALLY BIG fans of Led Zeppelin)
again these guys are incredible musicians and great performers but there is no risk artistically to emulating a much loved band to a T and there is certainly less of yourself that goes into emulating other
These brothers were raised on the blues and their parents vinyls. Also literature and hiking in forests and hills
Their hero is John Denver
The musicianship is outstanding
Their songwriting including beyond poetic lyrically
You guys just don’t get it sadly
Fans known as the Peaceful Army range in age from 8 to 80 You might be eating your words soon
I gave GVF a listen ... they have chops! You guys are critics ... you have your opinions. Don't make me remind you what opinions are akin to. In any case ... I am a life long rock fan ... back to the 60's! I think these young Michiganders have a great deal of untapped natural talent. I look forward to watching/listening to them mature. Rock on with yo' bad selves!
what?????? who hates these guys? they're weird yes but fun
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Probably shouldn't comment on levels of intelligence when you use "like and umm" every other sentence.
They're a poor Man's "Kingdom Come" not even close to LZ!
They are music makers...you are just a music reviewer... we can all review....who is the unintelligent????
WTF. Then DON'T listen to it Noones twisting your arm
The fact that they sound exactly like Led Zeppelin and refuse to admit it. If they just owned it they wouldn't be so reviled.
I seriously doubt that. And I agree with these yahoos that Josh is sounding more and more like Geddy Lee. Sonically, I hear bits of Cream and King Crimson/ELP in addition to LZ and Rush. Definitely leaning more toward a Prog sound with this album.
They are a wannabe LZ cover band with "originals". No one had a thing against them until they started pretending they were LZ. It just comes off really cringe. I'm sure they are great musicians but it's impossible to take them seriously and it really just comes off like they are mocking the thing they supposedly love.
They get hate?
Nirvana? Hole? They sucked and I was a huge grunge fan. None of their lyrics made any sense. I think this group is great, and they should just do their own thing. If you change your music based off of opinions then you are fake as hell. That is what is wrong with music today, and why most music sucks so bad today. People are not creating from the heart, they are creating from opinions and trends.
The issue I have with Greta Van Thunberg is the fact that they sound near identical to zepplin. It’s one thing to be inspired by another band, but GVF sound like a wholesale rip off. I look forward to their forthcoming songs - Black Cat, Gangway to Devon, Foggy Mountain Pop, squashed beneath a sneaker and Fazed and Abused.
GVF is a BLUES rock band. Blues is ipso facto constrained, and formula, so I think this is why this band never makes really kick ass music. Its groovy or bitter/sweet anthems, but never really great.
Do you know how many women love sexy Zeppelin songs? Dafuq is wrong witchu?
If what you like is songs that sound like they were left on Led Zeppelin's cutting room floor, then this band is for you. I mean... I'm glad that somebody is out there with actual instruments, being popular and stuff. You could certainly choose a worse ambition than trying to sound like Led Zeppelin. But I've yet to hear a single song of theirs that was memorable to me for any reason other than being totally distracted by how well they ape Led Zeppelin. And they do that very well, so all the best to them. Maybe one day I'll hear something from them that makes me need to hear it twice.
This. People like this band because they have bad taste. They likely aren't very aware of what the band is doing and to them all of this comes off as interesting. It really is that simple.
They're NOT from Detroit. Do your research first.
Young acts promoted by the music industry have no more talent than any four or five members of the audience, so kids can easily identify with them.
Bands who are really good alienate kids, because they perform something impossible for the average person. GVF are really good in every way, so if your idol is Billie Eilish, you’ll be really put off by them as being too much, overwhelming, show off eliteists. You hate them as you hate your parents’ Tool albums.
I love both Greta Van Fleet and Billie Eilish.
"Parents' Tool albums"
God that makes me feel old
lol greta van fleet is not a virtuoso band. Jake kiszka is a very average guitarist by todays standards, playing the old pentatonics which is certainly not impossible for the average person lol. Bassist and Drummer are not anything special as well. Josh kiszka is a great singer though.
So sad. Good R&R is out of fashion. Uugghh!
Had the same problem with Garden's Gate. No dynamics, every song tries too hard to be epic. It gets so fatiguing to listen to. Overall I like these guys...hope their song writing matures a bit and they learn some restraint.
The singer reminds me of "Gollum" - Lord Of The Rings.
I don't listen to much rock these days. Greta Van Fleet doesn't sound like LZ. Their singer has a horrible voice. The guitarist is annoying to watch with that rocking back and forth.
Trashing a band like GVF these days is ridiculous - they have more talent than 98% of pop & rap 'musicians' have
Invest in a dictionary
I gave up on GVF when I saw their record store video.
New Album is ok. GRETA V.F. got inspired from ZEPPELIN and ZEPPELIN stole all the Chicago African A. Blues, jazz etc.
So why have bands such as Metallica, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin, Ozzy Osbourne, and the White Stripes have all insulted Greta Van Fleet as a complete rip-off? Must be there just jealous huh?
They just seem ridiculous- not that I've really listened to them. Maybe that's their thing. I hate most "new" music but that's because I compare it too much to the bands of the past that I grew up on.
This-I just don’t get. If you haven’t listened to them , how can you say they are ridiculous? I’m old. I bought the very first Led Zeppelin album. I was there for the Stones.
Greta Van Fleet are 4 young talented guys; just doing what they like to hear
GVF is possibly the worst thing that has happened to music in the last 100 years.
I don’t know what they are, and neither do they.
They just look absolutely ridiculous, and its not even their own original look. Totally derivative. Can't get past that.
Some people can tell when they are getting Splenda instead of sugar, that's all. Some people care more than others. To those people this band will always be some ultra poseur replica classic rock band made up of children that can play their instruments and sing some songs but couldn't tell you a thing about real life or art or what it feels like to really do something different.
Because they lack originality ?
Much like this criticism.
please name another current band that is completely original. it doesn’t exist. this argument never makes sense to me.
@@catchinglooks he said they lack originality, not that they're completely void of it. for instance let's say I believe GVF would score 2/1000 on a originality scale and King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard score 100/1000. That means I'd find KGATLW to be a whole 50x more original.
That doesn't mean I find KGATLW that much more enjoyable, but they surely are QUITE a bit more fun to listen to than these 70s throwhacks.
@@mackereltacos2850 thank you for that arbitrary scale. and see, i listen to a ton of indie bands as well i don't find king gizzard as fun to listen to. i like big, riff driven '70s-style rock, and greta delivers that for me.
@@catchinglooks Should music of differing amounts of originality be given equal critique?
They are a bad Led Zeppelin, high school, cover band.
Its also funny that the majority of their audience is teenage girls. Since when have teenage girls been fans of blues rock? Their fandom is artificial.