I am a Christian and I agree that Muhammad was mentioned in the bible. Matthew 7:15-20), "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."
You're probably mixing him up with Paul of Tarsus. Anyways...thanks for that dumb remark...now are you going to deal with the actual argument of the video? If not...stop wasting our time.
@@RB-jf5ww paul was anti-christ for sure...took Jesus's teachings and totally twisted them. I can see u got nothing to say abt the arguments presented...that by default makes u lose the argument. Thanks and have a great day
@@dotsconnected2islam lol I had to look back and see if that I said could be misconstrued- or if you are intentionally taking it wrong. No, I am not saying Paul is the anti-Christ. The false prophet mooohamed is, and he has led billions away from the true God. There is a special place in hell for false teachers, and if you keep leading people astray, you will get to ask the false “prophet” yourself when you get there. I love you brother and I hope you come to God. Inshallah
@@RB-jf5ww you have put forward nothing to address the arguments presented for why this prophesy is about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)-just opinion and insults. Just because you say something, doesn’t make it true. Put forward actual evidence or don’t. I don’t know who you think the true God is. If you are talking about a triune God then you are on shaky ground because no such Trinity is explicitly mentioned in the Bible, Jesus (peace be upon him), never claimed divinity and called the Father the only true God, Jesus worshiped the Father, and NONE of the prior Prophets ever taught this or worshipped a triune God (including Jesus). Paul was not sanctioned by God. He was an apocalyptic Jew who used to persecute Christians and several years after Jesus (peace be upon him) was taken up, Paul claimed he saw him in a vision telling him to worship him. This account also has contradictions in Acts. From the very beginning, Christians were in disagreement about the status of Jesus, and also how he relates to the Father. A schism formed in the. Hutch which led to Constantine calling for debate and adoption of one side, which was the Council of Nicea. Even now, Christians differ about the Trinity, not to mention the various numbers of books of the Bible depending on the sect, and it is well known a complete manuscript of the New Testament dates to the 4th century and NO ONE KNOWS who the author are. You can just get it over quick and admit you know nothing about Islam or Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) except what you hear from MSM, Islam-hating or Christian apologist’s websites or other Islamophobes. You’ve never done non-biased research from reputable, Islamic sources. You may be fine with that but don’t be surprised when people approach Christianity in the same way.
@@mrdr8695 yet isn’t Islamic jannah like a brothel where Allah can watch men with endless erections have sex with women with big breasts? And your worried about what’s written in the Old Testament describing the love between a husband and wife. Then Muslims are desperate to say muhammed is mentioned in these very passages and how convenient that these “passages” aren’t corrupted. Yet your Allah of the Quran says no one can alter or change his words
Songs of Solomon is not that vain. It is a deep book and it is allegorical. The story of two lovers serves the allegory to represent God and Israel, and the male lover can change depending on the time and setting that the passages are referring to, because during different times and settings there were different prophets who served as the bridge between the interaction of Israel and God.
@@georgeibrahim7945 Sex is just one of the pleasures of Jannah. Also, the women are their wives. Each man has his own wives. Moreover, Allah is all seeing so he is currently watching men in the act.
Did you watch the stream? I can tell you didnt...else u wouldnt be repeating this nonsense...u basically saying its a "love song" is basically throwing your own Bible and tradition from all major Church Fathers under the bus. You know that even Paul mentions about Song of Solomon in Galatians right and ge refers it to be about Jesus? So ure saying that u know ur Bible better than him and all your Church Fathers that gave u ur creed and canonized ur books?
In the same chapter in which these Muslims attempt to show that the beloved groom of Song of Solomon is actually Muhammad opens with this beloved groom drinking wine with his milk and urging all his friends to imbibe with him. As Islam strictly forbids alcohol, it is clear that this beloved groom not only isn’t Muhammad but does not even share the moral convictions that Muhammad would later promote.
Read Muhammad 47:15 in the Quran. And the idea of wine is not in of itself condemned, but it is because of its intoxicating nature. Also this is an allegory and the man drinking wine represents God accepting sacrifice. It’s not literal. God doesn’t drink milk and wine lol
Watch the stream before commenting... you're making yourself sound like an idiot by all these things that have already been addressed. Its an allegory... not to be taken literal by your own New Testament!
@@dotsconnected2islam then stupid, how can you take the word Muhammad as literal. The world Muhammed is not mentioned in the Bible. Muhammadim means altogether. Not your child sex prophet.
There is nothing to deal with. We don't have to prove mohamad is a fake prophet. You have to prove he is... Otherwise your argument doesn't make any sense. Just like someone is not guilty until proven guilty, we don't have to prove mohamad is fake.. you have to prove he is real. The Torah does not need mohamad, qoran or islam to validate it self. But islam, qoran and mohamad need the Torah and Judaism to validate it self... so the prove is on you.
If mohamad is such a great prophet, you think he would be mentioned by G-d in the Torah and not a Jewish king in his love book? You can also go to the Torah which explicitly says how to identify a prophet and a fake one and mohamad qualities as fake prophet
When you talk directly to a person, do you repeat his name every time? Why would Allah be mentioning the Prophet Muhammad pbuh's name when a large chunk of the book is talking directly to him in the first person? Also, Moses is mentioned way more than Jesus in the Quran. Should I stop worshipping Moses then? Do u guys even think for a second before typing these mind numbingly stupid arguments?
Because a word sounds like another in another language does not mean equivalency. The Song of Song is a love song between a man and a woman, all else is pushing a conclusion to fit a narrative.
I could say the same as the word Akbar in arabic which has a similar word in hebrew which means MOUSE. allah the great mouse. Sounds perfect actually. These people trying to use a book they claim is corrupted to prove islam. Hilarious actually. They know if Bible is true. islam is false. PERIOD.
@@tedrusu3720 This example isn't correct. Hebrew word for "mouse" עכבר (ʕkbr) begins with "Ayin" (ʕ). Arabic word for "greatest" أكبر (akbr) begins with "Alif" (a). Those are different sounds in Semitic languages. European languages don't have this sound ʕ called "voiced pharyngeal fricative", so many people confuse it with the regular "a"
@@reuxygneln they are two different languages bro. You cant pick and chose. There is no hebrew speaking human on earth that thinks this word means Muhammad.
Then why do all Christian commentators of Song of Solomon say that it is about Jesus? There is no any word similar to his name nor descriptions that are matching with Jesus It is written in the New Testament that the whole scripture is inspired by God. So why did God inspire Solomon to write Song of Songs? What is its purpose?
@@Nrv-q8y the word used in that verse means lovely. It is describing someone's personality. It is not using the word as a name of someone. For example my name means salvation. If they used the word salvation in a descriptive way, it doesn't mean they are talking about me . Grow up , it's mind numbing the ignorance here.
@@Nrv-q8y I'll answer your lie. No, not all Christian commentators say it's about jesus. But let's say they did, would make more sense since the old test literally is a prelude to the coming of Christ. So, move along. Desperate Muslims trying to grasp at straws to convince us of the strange cult behavior of Mohammed. 🤣 With his limitless wives and child marriage consummated at age 9. And apparently Allah said to do it . He'd be behind bars if he lived today with a death sentence. Jesus' however what a perfect sinless example to live by
There are three primary passages in the Bible that Muslims often point to as prophecies of the coming of Muhammad: Deuteronomy 18:15-22, Song of Solomon 5:16, and John 16:5-11. First, in regards to Deuteronomy 18:15-22, the immediate context of this passage refers back to verses 9-14. There Moses warns the people of the danger of false prophets. God’s people are to avoid any and all who presume to speak authoritatively about spiritual truth apart from God’s truth. What is God’s truth? Verse 15 says a particular prophet will arise from the Jews (i.e., “your own brothers”) who will be like Moses. Notice that it’s not just any prophet, as there have been many, but a special prophet. People who studied and believed the Old Testament writings were looking for this particular, special prophet. In fact, some Jewish leaders thought the fiery preacher John the Baptist might be the fulfillment of Moses’ prophecy (see John 1:19-30). John the Baptist, however, said that he was the forerunner of the prophet of whom Moses spoke, not the prophet Himself. Who then is this prophet spoken of in the Bible? He is clearly none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. John 1:43-45 records that the early followers of Jesus understood He was the prophet of whom Moses wrote. Jesus Himself declared this about Himself (Luke 24:27). The most complete statement pointing to Jesus as the promised prophet is found in Acts 3:12-26. The deacon, Stephen, reiterated this in Acts 7:37. Such notable men as John the Baptist, Philip, Peter, and Stephen all testified that Jesus Christ, not Muhammad, is the prophet predicted in Deuteronomy 18:15-22. Second, in Song of Solomon 5:16, the maiden says of her lover, "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The word translated as "lovely" is the Hebrew word machamadim. It is the plural of machamad, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.” Although it is the root word of Muhammad, it does not follow that the verse refers to Muhammad, especially since the word used is a plural adjective, not the name of a person. Finally, in John 16:5-11, Jesus prophesies that after He leaves, the Counselor will come, and this Counselor will “convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment” (John 16:8). Who is this Counselor? Jesus Himself gives the answer a few verses later in John 16:13, “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth…” Jesus explicitly identifies the Counselor as the Holy Spirit. Jesus previously had used very similar terminology to predict the coming of the Holy Spirit: “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name…” (John 14:26). It is abundantly clear in the Bible that the Counselor Jesus prophesied was the Holy Spirit, not Muhammad. In conclusion, the Bible nowhere specifically predicts the coming of Muhammad. Muhammad was not the prophet Moses predicted, and Muhammad was not the Counselor Jesus predicted. Since the message of Muhammad contradicts the message of Jesus and the Bible on many points, the only biblical prophecy that would apply to the coming of Muhammad would be Matthew 24:11, “And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people…” JESUS IS LORD! Your muslim prophet never rose from the dead and is still in his tomb waiting for the day of judgement along with those who rejected Jesus the Christ and Savior of humanity!
This is a lie. In Hebrew the plural for the word "lovely" is the word ‘machamadim’. Singular is ‘machamad’, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.”. This is like looking at the word smith in the Bible and saying that it is referring to Will Smith.
You sound really confident in your assessment. We’ll message you in advance before we go live covering this topic inshaAllah and we are looking forward to you coming on the show so we can address your concerns. You have no problem coming on the show right?
@@dotsconnected2islam What is there to challenge? Machmid has that meaning in Hebrew. Are you challenging it? And on what basis? And if indeed your point is true how is it that there isn't one other mention of mohammed in the old or the new testament?
@@principlemethods5281Yes, I am strong in my assessment. Song of Solomon 5:16 is this: חִכּוֹ מַמְתַקִּים וְכֻלּוֹ מַחֲּמַדִּים זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם׃ Here, the word used מַחֲּמַדִּים מַחְמָד is maḥmāḏ and it is found in other parts of the Bible as well when it refers to something lovely. It is used in the singular and plural contexts. Other Biblical verses where this word is used: 1 Kings 20:6, Lamentations 2:4, Isaiah 64:10... etc. For a more comprehensive list of locations where this same word is used to describe all sorts of things from places, to things, to children etc.
Mohamad is not part of any jewish tribes and is irrelevant to Judaism. He is never was and never will be a prophet of the jews. He is not even a prophet. Mohamad was a war lord who robbed, ra.ped and pillaged... these qualities maybe prophetic to arabs, because they still behave like it's 7th century. But for Jewish standard, mohamad is completely the opposite of any prophet. Mohamad is evil
So if ma·ḥă·mad·dîm means Mohammed, then we can read in Isaiah 64:11 that they will be destroyed by fire and in Hosea 9:6 how Mohammed will be buried. So it's not about prophecy? Second, Mohammed claimed that he is referred to as Ahmed in Torah...no ma·ḥă·mad·dîm does not sound "Ahmed", and song of Solomon is not Torah. That is, three, out of three Mohammed claims fails... even if you guessed, you would get a better result. That is, a false prophet, a false prophecy. It follows from what you can read in Deut. 18:20. And how could Mohammed even be a prophet because Luke 16:16.
We already dealt with whether or not it is used in other passages in the Tanakh. Stop being lazy and watch the stream and then come back and make your claim. Stick to the argument presented in light of SOS and stop pointing out Quran and Luke, as thats a redherring. Deal with the argument we have presented..I won't entertain redherrings.
@@dotsconnected2islam Okay, so Mohammed claimed to be reported as Ahmed in Torah. One more time: ma·ḥă·mad·dîm (the Hebrew word for lovely) is not "Ahmed" and the song of Soloman is not part of the torah. Pretty straightforward. Fail prophecy by false prophet. And let this be off topic, but according to Jesus, the time of the law and the prophets was until John. And Mohammed didn't live before him, so no prophets have been raised... so the God of Abraham has not raised prophets since John prepared the way for the Lord. There's no herring in there...
@@exactormortis7433 It says He was mentioned in the Torah...that doesnt mean it cant be mentioned elsewhere...stick to the arguments made in the video...STOP THE REDHERRINGS by going to Quran and what is Bible and Torah according to Quran etc.
@@preggiegovender3894yes it is corrupted and altered also we didn't say it is completely corrupted but it is not reliable. It contain some truths and falsehood. A mixture of both things, it is not reliable. And we just show you people from what you have.
In the book 📕 of Song of Solomon 5:16 as a reference to Muhammad. The verse reads, "His mouth is most sweet, and he is altogether desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." This is the most exaggerated of Muslim claims that Muhammad is predicted within the Bible, as the context of this passage is that of a bride speaking to her husband! This is not prophecy, but rather part of a larger dialogue between two lovers. While some Muslim apologists seek to reach new converts or strengthen current Muslims through attempts to find prophecies about Muhammad in the Bible, the evidence is not there. The Bible speaks of a future Messiah, yet the New Testament claims this Messiah is Jesus (Isa), not Muhammad (John 3:16). In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks of "a prophet like me" who would come in the future. Christians typically understand this future prophet to be Jesus Christ, especially since John 5:46 records Jesus teaching, "Moses … wrote of me." Muslims seek to interpret this "prophet like me" as a reference to Muhammad. The biggest problem with this interpretation of Muhammad as the prophet is found in the verse itself. Deuteronomy 18:15 reads, "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers." The future prophet would be "from your brothers," meaning a fellow Jew from one of the 12 tribes of Israel. No Muslim would suggest Muhammad was a Jew. Therefore, he could not be the "prophet like me" to whom Moses referred. Jesus was a Jew from the tribe of Judah and does fit this prophecy (Matthew 1). Salvation to the world comes from Jewish Messiah not from pagan God Allah and his prophet Muhammad. Muslims are sinners and they need a savior. Only Jewish Messiah will forgive your sins and give you 3:16 eternal life. His name is JOSHUA HAMASHIACH .
The Song of Solomon contains beautiful and sensuous poetry expressing romantic love between a young man (a shepherd 1:7) and.a young woman (a shepherdess 1:8). A key theme is that marriage is a gift from God to be founded on commitment and loyalty. The young lady is describing her husband's body in 5:10-16. Is it likely that while enamored of her husband, she would suddenly speak of another man in verse 16?
The man is symbolic for God. The woman symbolic for Israel. The description that she is describing in 5:10 through 16 IS the same man she speaks of in verse 16. I think u may have misunderstood what we were saying.
Did you watch the stream? I can tell you didnt...else u wouldnt be repeating this nonsense...u basically saying its a "love song" is basically throwing your own Bible and tradition from all major Church Fathers under the bus. You know that even Paul mentions about Song of Solomon in Galatians right and ge refers it to be about Jesus? So ure saying that u know ur Bible better than him and all your Church Fathers that gave u ur creed and canonized ur books?
@messerschmitt-bf-109-yl6tp interpreting what’s written in the Bible doesn’t matter… ok got it. If you’re not certain about who it is, then what are some possibilities? Can you give any plausible examples?
I appreciate these conversations. I just say what the bible says. Ishmael had a promise. When the deserts were colonized by Ishmaelites they multiplied into tribes numbering the stars. They began to infight as most nations do when they get too large in number and dont spread out. The middle east was total chaos before Muhammad. When the Quran was delivered to the children of ishmael it flipped the area upside down. Finally they were able to calm down and get some understanding. The bottom line is Muhammad said himself Jesus and Allah are both worthy of praise. That Jesus is not dead and he will return! People hate the Arabs so much they refuse to want to understand the Quran was sent to ishmael. The muslims refuse to understand the Torah was given to Moses to give to the Jew. The argument of who is loved more or is more important is the dumbest argument and if Moses or Muhammad could come down they would be pissed at everyone. The christian who sits in between Jew and Muslim saying they are both wrong only make everything worse. Like an instigator who thinks they the most loved. QUITE SIMPLE THAT THE TORAH IS THE CORNERSTONE AND JESUS IS ITS WORD...ISHMAEL RECIEVED THE MESSAGE THROUGH ISHMAELITE LINEAGES TO KEEP THE PROMISE GIVEN BY THE ANGEL. Just like bloodlines matter so does the line of message and who recieves it. Its grey not black and white. The only thing that really matters is the part where the Torah came down to earth and will return to collect the wheat! The fighting is just a desire to control prophecy via mans desires.
If the man called "beloved" is Solomon, then how can we be sure that the description in SOS 5/10-16 is not the description of Solomon himself? Although Solomon is never directly called "beloved" (1/4, 1/5, 1/12, 3/7-11, 8/11-12), these verses suggest that it is him: 3/7 - Solomon had a wedding (he is a bridegroom) 4/16 - the woman says to the "beloved" to enter his garden 5/1 - the "beloved" responds and says to her "my bride" (he is a bridegroom) Two bridegrooms doesn't make sense, so the "beloved" and Solomon is the same person
You can't try and use the Old Testament to prove Muhammad was a prophet, and then say the same Old Testament has been corrupted. That is just an untenable double standard.
Just coz something is corrupted, it doesn't mean it can't contain remnants of truth. That's a fallacious argument on your part...learn to make a valid argument.
@@dotsconnected2islam Sounds an awful lot like cherry picking, don't you think? The Bible is trustworthy when it aligns with my beliefs, but it's corrupted when it doesn't align with my beliefs.
@@WerdnaFPV If you're going to accuse us for cherry picking, then Christians are the biggest cherry pickers! The New Testament authors literally quote from the apocraphal books that u guys don't even have part of your canon! You guys misuse and misquote OT verses, totally ripping them apart and distorting it to prove Jesus in there. An example is how Matthew 1 uses the Emanuel prophecy in Isaiah 7, which has NOTHING to do with Jesus...read it from the beginning. Then you guys do the exact same thing with Psalm 22, Psalm 2:7, Isaiah 53...and on goes the list. So when you're available, come to the live stream, so i can educate you for free. And I absolutely agree that Islam doesn't align with your pagan beliefs: We don't believe in God needing blood sacrifice like a vampire to forgive our sins. We don't believe that God killed God to save mankind from God. Thats nonsensical! We also don't believe in Trinity (the hallmark of every single pagan religion in the past). This is why not a single Orthodox Jew will even step into a Church, but they are allowed to even use mosques for their prayer rituals. All Rabbinic Jews call you guys pagans!
@@dotsconnected2islam Chill out dude... Why are you getting upset? Is this how you guys give Dawah to non-Muslims? I mean, I feel you’re just applying a hasty tu quoque argument here. Even if I grant that the NT authors cherry-picked (which I obviously don’t), it doesn’t give Muslims the pass to do the same. Regarding Isaiah 7, I don't think it's a prophecy like Isaiah 53. Matthew never intended to push the point that it literally prophesied the virgin birth of Jesus. Isaiah 7 is a prophecy given to Ahaz about his son, that much is quite clear. Matthew doesn't even call it a prophecy, he uses the word ‘fulfil’ in the same way that he talks about Jesus coming out of Egypt in reference to Hosea 11:1. Obviously the Exodus already occurred, so Jesus isn’t ‘fulfilling’ these things in a prophesy sense. Matthew is just saying that Jesus' birth and life parallels many events in Israel’s history. Anyway, as a Muslim, you also believe in the virgin birth of Prophet Isa, so I don’t see why this should be an issue for us to argue about. Lastly, I don’t really get why you gish-galloped about the Trinity, substitutionary atonement and other unrelated matters. But I’m not here to debate every single passage in scripture with you. I respect your beliefs, although I disagree with them. One day I’ll try and find time to come on your live stream and we can have a respectful conversation about this. God bless!
@@WerdnaFPV Now you're just tossing different "fallacies" without actually even understanding what they mean. Its not a to quoque if you're exposing someone's double standards. Learn your fallacies before using them. I specifically addressed your issue of muslims quoting from your corrupted Text. You didn't have an answer, this is why you're coping by going to other topics. Come to the live stream as you're just wasting my time at this point. And we can discuss whatever u'd like. Stop with the paganism and come to the true message of God, which is Islam. Btw, good try deflecting from the main topic. I can tell u probably didn't even watch the stream, and even if you did, you had no answer, this is why u had no answer to it. Thanks for proving us right :)
@@dotsconnected2islam so whatever doesn't confirm your position is corrupted, and whatever does is a remnant of the truth? It's intellectually dishonest and insulting.
I've never seen a single Muslim show a single evidence of what is corrupt. But, if you're mohamad and you came to the jews and claim to be a prophet and want to prove it, of course you'll say the Torah is corrupt. The Torah is not corrupt. This claim is just Islamic colonization...
Why don’t you head on over to GodLogic’s channel? He’s always asking people to prove Muhammad is in the Bible? Present this your argument during a live dialogue and see how quickly it gets refuted. This has been answered so many times. Also if your response is that they should come to your platform, why not go live on your platform same time as he is so that is happening on both platforms? No excuses, we are all in pursuit of truth
No, it does not. In Song of Solomon 5:16, the maiden says of her lover, "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The word translated as "lovely" is the Hebrew word ‘machamadim’. It is the plural of ‘machamad’, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.” Although it is the root word of Muhammad, it does not follow that the verse refers to Muhammad, especially since the word used is a plural adjective, not the name of a person.
If Song of Solomon is an allegory for Yeshua as bridegroom, then the desirable one is Yeshua, not Muhammad. Otherwise it is talking about Solomon. Muhammad (and "Jibril") can easily be found throughout the previous scripture: My hand will be against prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not...be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. (Ezekiel 13:9) The law and prophets were until John (Luke 16:16) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets...if they say to you 'Behold, he is in the desert' go not forth: 'Behold, he is in the secret cave' believe it not. (Matthew 24:24-26) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8) And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14) This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22-23) I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. (Revelation 22:18) Even Qur'an confirms prophethood is given to children of Israel (Jacob), and Genesis says through them all the nations will be blessed, not Ishmael: And certainly we gave the sons of Israel the book, and wisdom and the prophethood, and we provided them with good things, and we preferred them above all the world. (45:16)
You wrote a lot of things and we can cover all of them inshaAllah, but pick the first one you want us to address and let’s go down the line. For your sake and ours I think it’d be more convenient if you just came live next time we cover this topic to discuss this. We will message u in advance here in this thread to let you know before we are going to cover this topic again.
I can Muhammad isn’t truly in the Bible which is a huge problem since he stated that it is written in Our scriptures as it’s stated >> The Hebrew word mahamaddim (Hebrew: מַחֲּמַדִּ֑ים, desirable, lovely) in Song of Songs 5:16 , in context is talking about a man and woman and the love they shared and A deeper meaning behind it is the connection between Jesus as the Bridegroom and the Love he has for his church the Bride. In Deuteronomy 18:18-“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.”, (it isn’t referring to Muhammad at all unless you are claiming he is a Jewish man? See the Key word among their brethren meaning the “Children of Israel” in their line. ) Moses was divinely intended to refer to Jesus Christ-not Muhammad. Shortly after the establishment of the church of Christ and the Christian religion (in A.D. 30 in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost after the death and resurrection of Jesus-Acts 2), two of the twelve apostles, Peter and John, went to the Jewish temple and healed a lame man (Acts 3:1-11). When people began to gather in large numbers out of amazement at what had happened, Peter used the opportunity to preach the Christian message to them (Acts 3:12-26). He made several crucial points pertaining to the person of the Christ: (1) the recently crucified Jesus was, in fact, the One Whom the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had glorified (vs. 13); (2) God had raised Him from the dead (vs. 15); (3) it was the “name” (i.e., authority/power) of Jesus, and faith in Him, that procured the miraculous healing of the lame man (vs. 16); (4) the suffering of Christ was predicted previously by God through the prophets (vs. 18); (5) at the conclusion of human history, God will send Jesus back (not any of the prophets, let alone Muhammad)-an unmistakable reference to the Second Coming of Christ immediately preceding the Judgment (vss. 20-21; cf. Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Thessalonians 1:7ff.). It is at this point that Peter quoted from the passage in Deuteronomy and applied it to Jesus-not Muhammad (vss. 22ff.). Peter’s inspired application is unmistakable; he clearly identified Jesus as the fulfillment: “God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities” (vs. 26). Observe further that God stated explicitly that the prophet that He would raise up would come “from your brethren” (vs. 15; cf. vs. 18). In context, He was speaking to Moses, who was a descendant of Isaac. Arabs descended from Ishmael, not Isaac. Muhammad was not from the brethren of Moses and the Jews-he was an Arab. Muhammad does not fit the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18. John 14-16 (Particularly these verses) >> Yet, because I have spoken these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. Nevertheless, I am telling you the truth. It is for your benefit that I go away, because if I don't go away the Counselor will not come to you. If I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, he will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment: About sin, because they do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see me; and about judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. "I still have many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak on his own, but he will speak whatever he hears. He will also declare to you what is to come. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything the Father has is mine. This is why I told you that he takes from what is mine and will declare it to you. John 16:6-15 >> Jesus is referring to His Holy Spirit who is God, that will come and act as our helper and Advocate (so unless you are saying Muhammad is both Spirit and God- which is Shirk btw. ) this won’t fit the prophecy or description. >> Proof the Holy Spirit is God: "But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God."* Acts 5:3-4. >> oh , Also you say Paul you don’t support, But Allah copied the very words Paul used, for he wrote this >> 1 Corinthians 2:9 9 But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him" >> Sahih al-Bukhari 4779 • Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (#) said, "Allah said, 'I have prepared for my pious worshipers such things as no eye has ever seen, no ear has ever heard of, and nobody has ever thought of.">> Jamì at-Tirmidhi 3197 > Narrated Abu Hurairah: that the Prophet (=) said: "Allah Most High said: 'I have prepared for My righteous worshipers what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived'">> Hadith 37, 40 Hadith Qudsi On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (#) said: Allah said: I have prepared for My righteous servants what no eye has seen and no ear has heard, not has it occurred to human heart. Etc. I have more Examples. Btw, the Trinity is in the OT. And if you need further proof feel free to ask :) hope this clarifies some things and misunderstandings.
If you read all this psalm, you will see the folly of those who told you this nonsense. By Name Mohamed is not mentioned, because Mohammed is a title not a name.
What was Muhammad real name ? Muhammad means the praised one but he only got that name after some people started to believe he was a prophet before that he was a nobody .
Watch the whole video. Jesus is no where to be found in Song of Solomon 5-6. Stop putting Jesus in the OT where he doesn't belong. Use your brain for once
All the smacking of the lips sounds pretentious or ignorant. I really tried to listen but it's a no-go for headphone users.I can honestly say that the first 37:34 was not very conclusive, it sounds like stretching and reaching to me. Maybe try again with a AI voice if you can't figure out the technology to use chapstick.
Dr. Michael Brown clarified everything. You can’t force a pronunciation of the word. There is no formal Hebrew as you’ve been told. Your mispronunciation of the word changes the meaning and you would have to change the meaning for every every other time that the word is used.
@@thejohnwhiteproject5202 We refuted Dr. Brown and his lies in our video. Watch it. Stop appealing to authorities and deal with the argument. Dr. Brown is a proven liar...he lied about the pronunciation and we proved it in our video.
Babies playing in the sandbox of giants. There is no point in entertaining such out of touch perspectives. You don't seek the truth, you just want to be right. Prophet Solomon will be OP's accuser if OP does not repent of this. Proverbs 30:4: "Who has ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is his Son's name, if you can tell?"
@@C120. Thanks for yapping in the comments section and helping the channel grow with the algorithm. I'll consider this your Jizyah :) If you find courage though, do show up for the live stream where I'll be online tomorrow 9pm EST
@@dotsconnected2islam How can there be a Jizya if there is no caliphate? Sharifian, Abu Issa, ISIS, they all failed into establishing it. Sykes Picot agreement, Balfour declaration, the destruction of the caliphate. The Ummah is in its century of humiliation. The Ummah is so devastated they had to do hijrah (🤣) to the west because their Ummah was so humiliated and disgraced. You have been willingly humbled, your people have bent the knee, and you are now the dogs of the west.
Dots, this is a Christian argument that I thought of. Maybe you can make a video or short out of it: Christian: You muslins always say that it isn’t the canon that decides what the theology is. Rather, it is the theology which decides what the canon is. If that’s the case, why do you state there are anti-trinity, anti-Jesus is God verses in the New Testament if the Trinitarians and others chose the canon based on their beliefs?
Their theological beliefs don't only contain Trinity...it contains sacrifice and sin as well. They took out many books and labelled them as apocrypha if it went against those. Its a long topic
It does make sense...u guys believe the exact same thing. Read Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho where he actually says the EXACT same thing about Jesus's prophecies in the old testament :) Come to the live stream on Sunday so I can school you.
@@dotsconnected2islam Justin Martyr can have any opinion he wants. I could care less,. What i do care about is why allah put mohommad in a book that he allowed to be corrupted
@@crossexaminingscriptures4094 Ah so when it suits your narrative, you appeal to Justin Martyr for your creed, your logos theology, but when it goes against your narrative, you throw him under the bus. Typical Christian lol. Also, Justin Martyr didn't just give his opinion, he actually proved to Trypho that the Jews corrupted it (according to his Dialogue with Trypho). Not just that, your own New Testament writers quote many Jewish apocryphal books, even though you guys consider them to be extra-biblical and not inspired by God. Now go ahead and throw your NT authors under the bus as well lol. Educate yourself on the topic and then speak.
@@crossexaminingscriptures4094 I already did answer your question...u were the one that started waffling and not dealing with the actual argument presented in the video, neither did you present any refutation to my Justin Martyry's argument, nor the the NT authors quoting the apocrphal books. Now if you want to turn this into a debate, feel free to show up on our live streams on Sunday (9pm). I don't do comment debates. See ya. Come prepared and bring your evidence, because I don't tolerate waffling on my live streams.
@@dotsconnected2islam how do you expect people to refute the argument when you won’t answer any refutation they provide except for to whine about red herrings and personal attacks when commenters complain about you NOT answering anything?, oh and btw, screeching they should come on your live is a fallacy bc you would NEVER allow someone who can easily and confidently refute your stupidity in your stream, without your lies, Islam not only dies, it’s already dead
I am a Christian and I agree that Muhammad was mentioned in the bible. Matthew 7:15-20), "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."
You're probably mixing him up with Paul of Tarsus. Anyways...thanks for that dumb remark...now are you going to deal with the actual argument of the video? If not...stop wasting our time.
I was thinking the anti-Christ in revelations
@@RB-jf5ww paul was anti-christ for sure...took Jesus's teachings and totally twisted them. I can see u got nothing to say abt the arguments presented...that by default makes u lose the argument. Thanks and have a great day
@@dotsconnected2islam lol I had to look back and see if that I said could be misconstrued- or if you are intentionally taking it wrong. No, I am not saying Paul is the anti-Christ. The false prophet mooohamed is, and he has led billions away from the true God. There is a special place in hell for false teachers, and if you keep leading people astray, you will get to ask the false “prophet” yourself when you get there. I love you brother and I hope you come to God. Inshallah
@@RB-jf5ww you have put forward nothing to address the arguments presented for why this prophesy is about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)-just opinion and insults. Just because you say something, doesn’t make it true. Put forward actual evidence or don’t.
I don’t know who you think the true God is. If you are talking about a triune God then you are on shaky ground because no such Trinity is explicitly mentioned in the Bible, Jesus (peace be upon him), never claimed divinity and called the Father the only true God, Jesus worshiped the Father, and NONE of the prior Prophets ever taught this or worshipped a triune God (including Jesus). Paul was not sanctioned by God. He was an apocalyptic Jew who used to persecute Christians and several years after Jesus (peace be upon him) was taken up, Paul claimed he saw him in a vision telling him to worship him. This account also has contradictions in Acts.
From the very beginning, Christians were in disagreement about the status of Jesus, and also how he relates to the Father. A schism formed in the. Hutch which led to Constantine calling for debate and adoption of one side, which was the Council of Nicea. Even now, Christians differ about the Trinity, not to mention the various numbers of books of the Bible depending on the sect, and it is well known a complete manuscript of the New Testament dates to the 4th century and NO ONE KNOWS who the author are.
You can just get it over quick and admit you know nothing about Islam or Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) except what you hear from MSM, Islam-hating or Christian apologist’s websites or other Islamophobes. You’ve never done non-biased research from reputable, Islamic sources. You may be fine with that but don’t be surprised when people approach Christianity in the same way.
Song of Solomon is a love song between Solomon and his bride, and to put Muhammad in the place of the bride’s beloved turns the book into nonsense.
You are wrong and this is a new idea. Think about this, why would God want an erotica in the bible? Alhamdulilah for the quran.
@@mrdr8695 yet isn’t Islamic jannah like a brothel where Allah can watch men with endless erections have sex with women with big breasts? And your worried about what’s written in the Old Testament describing the love between a husband and wife. Then Muslims are desperate to say muhammed is mentioned in these very passages and how convenient that these “passages” aren’t corrupted. Yet your Allah of the Quran says no one can alter or change his words
Songs of Solomon is not that vain. It is a deep book and it is allegorical. The story of two lovers serves the allegory to represent God and Israel, and the male lover can change depending on the time and setting that the passages are referring to, because during different times and settings there were different prophets who served as the bridge between the interaction of Israel and God.
@@georgeibrahim7945 Sex is just one of the pleasures of Jannah. Also, the women are their wives. Each man has his own wives. Moreover, Allah is all seeing so he is currently watching men in the act.
Did you watch the stream? I can tell you didnt...else u wouldnt be repeating this nonsense...u basically saying its a "love song" is basically throwing your own Bible and tradition from all major Church Fathers under the bus. You know that even Paul mentions about Song of Solomon in Galatians right and ge refers it to be about Jesus? So ure saying that u know ur Bible better than him and all your Church Fathers that gave u ur creed and canonized ur books?
In the same chapter in which these Muslims attempt to show that the beloved groom of Song of Solomon is actually Muhammad opens with this beloved groom drinking wine with his milk and urging all his friends to imbibe with him. As Islam strictly forbids alcohol, it is clear that this beloved groom not only isn’t Muhammad but does not even share the moral convictions that Muhammad would later promote.
Why don’t you watch the presentation? It may answer this.
It is also very clear you have no understanding of this song. Come on stage sometime and have a discussion with me.
Read Muhammad 47:15 in the Quran. And the idea of wine is not in of itself condemned, but it is because of its intoxicating nature. Also this is an allegory and the man drinking wine represents God accepting sacrifice. It’s not literal. God doesn’t drink milk and wine lol
Watch the stream before commenting... you're making yourself sound like an idiot by all these things that have already been addressed. Its an allegory... not to be taken literal by your own New Testament!
@@dotsconnected2islam then stupid, how can you take the word Muhammad as literal. The world Muhammed is not mentioned in the Bible. Muhammadim means altogether. Not your child sex prophet.
False prophets will never be mentioned in the bible
Will u deal with the arguments presented ?
There is nothing to deal with. We don't have to prove mohamad is a fake prophet. You have to prove he is...
Otherwise your argument doesn't make any sense. Just like someone is not guilty until proven guilty, we don't have to prove mohamad is fake.. you have to prove he is real.
The Torah does not need mohamad, qoran or islam to validate it self. But islam, qoran and mohamad need the Torah and Judaism to validate it self... so the prove is on you.
If mohamad is such a great prophet, you think he would be mentioned by G-d in the Torah and not a Jewish king in his love book? You can also go to the Torah which explicitly says how to identify a prophet and a fake one and mohamad qualities as fake prophet
@@Nrv-q8y either show up for live stream or stop wasting my time
Yes ,except where Jesus mentions false prophets.
How many times was /is Jesus mentioned in the Qur'an, should you be forced to change to Jesus.
Without lies Islam dies!!???
When you talk directly to a person, do you repeat his name every time? Why would Allah be mentioning the Prophet Muhammad pbuh's name when a large chunk of the book is talking directly to him in the first person? Also, Moses is mentioned way more than Jesus in the Quran. Should I stop worshipping Moses then? Do u guys even think for a second before typing these mind numbingly stupid arguments?
Would u like to challlenge the actual topic of the video?
@@principlemethods5281 Assalamualaikum Akhi. If he had an argument, he would have already brought it, lol.
Lets go for it!!!?????
@@AhmedBhajji Wa alaykum salaam brother. Let’s see if he keeps his word
Because a word sounds like another in another language does not mean equivalency. The Song of Song is a love song between a man and a woman, all else is pushing a conclusion to fit a narrative.
I could say the same as the word Akbar in arabic which has a similar word in hebrew which means MOUSE. allah the great mouse. Sounds perfect actually. These people trying to use a book they claim is corrupted to prove islam. Hilarious actually. They know if Bible is true. islam is false. PERIOD.
@@tedrusu3720
This example isn't correct. Hebrew word for "mouse" עכבר (ʕkbr) begins with "Ayin" (ʕ). Arabic word for "greatest" أكبر (akbr) begins with "Alif" (a). Those are different sounds in Semitic languages. European languages don't have this sound ʕ called "voiced pharyngeal fricative", so many people confuse it with the regular "a"
@@reuxygneln they are two different languages bro. You cant pick and chose. There is no hebrew speaking human on earth that thinks this word means Muhammad.
@@tedrusu3720 I don't think it means Muhammad tho
@@reuxygnelnmy apologies!
Omg 😂😂😂😂 it's a love note between Solomon and his partner 😂😂😂😂
Then why do all Christian commentators of Song of Solomon say that it is about Jesus? There is no any word similar to his name nor descriptions that are matching with Jesus
It is written in the New Testament that the whole scripture is inspired by God.
So why did God inspire Solomon to write Song of Songs? What is its purpose?
@@Nrv-q8y the word used in that verse means lovely. It is describing someone's personality. It is not using the word as a name of someone. For example my name means salvation. If they used the word salvation in a descriptive way, it doesn't mean they are talking about me . Grow up , it's mind numbing the ignorance here.
@lovelife4516 you didn't answer the question. I already know what that word means
@@Nrv-q8y I'll answer your lie. No, not all Christian commentators say it's about jesus. But let's say they did, would make more sense since the old test literally is a prelude to the coming of Christ. So, move along. Desperate Muslims trying to grasp at straws to convince us of the strange cult behavior of Mohammed. 🤣 With his limitless wives and child marriage consummated at age 9. And apparently Allah said to do it . He'd be behind bars if he lived today with a death sentence. Jesus' however what a perfect sinless example to live by
There are three primary passages in the Bible that Muslims often point to as prophecies of the coming of Muhammad: Deuteronomy 18:15-22, Song of Solomon 5:16, and John 16:5-11.
First, in regards to Deuteronomy 18:15-22, the immediate context of this passage refers back to verses 9-14. There Moses warns the people of the danger of false prophets. God’s people are to avoid any and all who presume to speak authoritatively about spiritual truth apart from God’s truth. What is God’s truth? Verse 15 says a particular prophet will arise from the Jews (i.e., “your own brothers”) who will be like Moses. Notice that it’s not just any prophet, as there have been many, but a special prophet. People who studied and believed the Old Testament writings were looking for this particular, special prophet. In fact, some Jewish leaders thought the fiery preacher John the Baptist might be the fulfillment of Moses’ prophecy (see John 1:19-30). John the Baptist, however, said that he was the forerunner of the prophet of whom Moses spoke, not the prophet Himself.
Who then is this prophet spoken of in the Bible? He is clearly none other than the Lord Jesus Christ. John 1:43-45 records that the early followers of Jesus understood He was the prophet of whom Moses wrote. Jesus Himself declared this about Himself (Luke 24:27). The most complete statement pointing to Jesus as the promised prophet is found in Acts 3:12-26. The deacon, Stephen, reiterated this in Acts 7:37. Such notable men as John the Baptist, Philip, Peter, and Stephen all testified that Jesus Christ, not Muhammad, is the prophet predicted in Deuteronomy 18:15-22.
Second, in Song of Solomon 5:16, the maiden says of her lover, "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The word translated as "lovely" is the Hebrew word machamadim. It is the plural of machamad, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.” Although it is the root word of Muhammad, it does not follow that the verse refers to Muhammad, especially since the word used is a plural adjective, not the name of a person.
Finally, in John 16:5-11, Jesus prophesies that after He leaves, the Counselor will come, and this Counselor will “convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment” (John 16:8). Who is this Counselor? Jesus Himself gives the answer a few verses later in John 16:13, “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth…” Jesus explicitly identifies the Counselor as the Holy Spirit. Jesus previously had used very similar terminology to predict the coming of the Holy Spirit: “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name…” (John 14:26). It is abundantly clear in the Bible that the Counselor Jesus prophesied was the Holy Spirit, not Muhammad.
In conclusion, the Bible nowhere specifically predicts the coming of Muhammad. Muhammad was not the prophet Moses predicted, and Muhammad was not the Counselor Jesus predicted. Since the message of Muhammad contradicts the message of Jesus and the Bible on many points, the only biblical prophecy that would apply to the coming of Muhammad would be Matthew 24:11, “And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people…” JESUS IS LORD!
Your muslim prophet never rose from the dead and is still in his tomb waiting for the day of judgement along with those who rejected Jesus the Christ and Savior of humanity!
This is a lie. In Hebrew the plural for the word "lovely" is the word ‘machamadim’. Singular is ‘machamad’, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.”. This is like looking at the word smith in the Bible and saying that it is referring to Will Smith.
You sound really confident in your assessment. We’ll message you in advance before we go live covering this topic inshaAllah and we are looking forward to you coming on the show so we can address your concerns. You have no problem coming on the show right?
Why don't you come and challenge our position on the live streams?
@@dotsconnected2islam What is there to challenge? Machmid has that meaning in Hebrew. Are you challenging it? And on what basis?
And if indeed your point is true how is it that there isn't one other mention of mohammed in the old or the new testament?
@@principlemethods5281Yes, I am strong in my assessment. Song of Solomon 5:16 is this: חִכּוֹ מַמְתַקִּים וְכֻלּוֹ מַחֲּמַדִּים זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם׃ Here, the word used מַחֲּמַדִּים מַחְמָד is maḥmāḏ and it is found in other parts of the Bible as well when it refers to something lovely. It is used in the singular and plural contexts. Other Biblical verses where this word is used: 1 Kings 20:6, Lamentations 2:4, Isaiah 64:10... etc. For a more comprehensive list of locations where this same word is used to describe all sorts of things from places, to things, to children etc.
@@pkphilips2 come to the live stream tomorrow and tell us why you think we’re wrong.
lol.
Without Lies Islam dies.
stop the deception. Song of Solomon is a love scripture about Christ and the church
Come to the live stream tomorrow evening and show us how we're lying. We'll be live 9pm EST.
Mohamad is not part of any jewish tribes and is irrelevant to Judaism. He is never was and never will be a prophet of the jews. He is not even a prophet. Mohamad was a war lord who robbed, ra.ped and pillaged... these qualities maybe prophetic to arabs, because they still behave like it's 7th century. But for Jewish standard, mohamad is completely the opposite of any prophet. Mohamad is evil
So if ma·ḥă·mad·dîm means Mohammed, then we can read in Isaiah 64:11 that they will be destroyed by fire and in Hosea 9:6 how Mohammed will be buried. So it's not about prophecy?
Second, Mohammed claimed that he is referred to as Ahmed in Torah...no ma·ḥă·mad·dîm does not sound "Ahmed", and song of Solomon is not Torah. That is, three, out of three Mohammed claims fails... even if you guessed, you would get a better result. That is, a false prophet, a false prophecy. It follows from what you can read in Deut. 18:20. And how could Mohammed even be a prophet because Luke 16:16.
We already dealt with whether or not it is used in other passages in the Tanakh. Stop being lazy and watch the stream and then come back and make your claim. Stick to the argument presented in light of SOS and stop pointing out Quran and Luke, as thats a redherring. Deal with the argument we have presented..I won't entertain redherrings.
@@dotsconnected2islam Okay, so Mohammed claimed to be reported as Ahmed in Torah. One more time: ma·ḥă·mad·dîm (the Hebrew word for lovely) is not "Ahmed" and the song of Soloman is not part of the torah. Pretty straightforward. Fail prophecy by false prophet.
And let this be off topic, but according to Jesus, the time of the law and the prophets was until John. And Mohammed didn't live before him, so no prophets have been raised... so the God of Abraham has not raised prophets since John prepared the way for the Lord. There's no herring in there...
lol!
@@exactormortis7433 It says He was mentioned in the Torah...that doesnt mean it cant be mentioned elsewhere...stick to the arguments made in the video...STOP THE REDHERRINGS by going to Quran and what is Bible and Torah according to Quran etc.
@@exactormortis7433come live when we do this topic. Would love for you to present these arguments
So Muhammed is mentioned in a book Muslims claim to be corrupted? 😂
Just because it is corrupted does not mean every minute detail has been changed.
Yes. Corrupted doesn’t mean it is completely fabricated. It just means that it is not unaltered. We don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
Just as the New Testament authors quote from Apocryphal books 😉 come to the live stream so i can show u.
@@mrdr8695which part or parts are corrupted in the bible
@@preggiegovender3894yes it is corrupted and altered also we didn't say it is completely corrupted but it is not reliable. It contain some truths and falsehood. A mixture of both things, it is not reliable. And we just show you people from what you have.
In the book 📕 of Song of Solomon 5:16 as a reference to Muhammad. The verse reads, "His mouth is most sweet, and he is altogether desirable. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." This is the most exaggerated of Muslim claims that Muhammad is predicted within the Bible, as the context of this passage is that of a bride speaking to her husband! This is not prophecy, but rather part of a larger dialogue between two lovers.
While some Muslim apologists seek to reach new converts or strengthen current Muslims through attempts to find prophecies about Muhammad in the Bible, the evidence is not there. The Bible speaks of a future Messiah, yet the New Testament claims this Messiah is Jesus (Isa), not Muhammad (John 3:16).
In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks of "a prophet like me" who would come in the future. Christians typically understand this future prophet to be Jesus Christ, especially since John 5:46 records Jesus teaching, "Moses … wrote of me." Muslims seek to interpret this "prophet like me" as a reference to Muhammad. The biggest problem with this interpretation of Muhammad as the prophet is found in the verse itself. Deuteronomy 18:15 reads, "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers." The future prophet would be "from your brothers," meaning a fellow Jew from one of the 12 tribes of Israel. No Muslim would suggest Muhammad was a Jew. Therefore, he could not be the "prophet like me" to whom Moses referred. Jesus was a Jew from the tribe of Judah and does fit this prophecy (Matthew 1). Salvation to the world comes from Jewish Messiah not from pagan God Allah and his prophet Muhammad.
Muslims are sinners and they need a savior. Only Jewish Messiah will forgive your sins and give you 3:16 eternal life. His name is JOSHUA HAMASHIACH .
Lamentations 2:4
Like an enemy he has strung his bow; his right hand is ready.
Like a foe he has slain all * ma-ḥă-mad-dê- *
Haleluya. Hosanna ✝️✝️✝️
The Song of Solomon contains beautiful and sensuous poetry expressing romantic love between a young man (a shepherd 1:7) and.a young woman (a shepherdess 1:8). A key theme is that marriage is a gift from God to be founded on commitment and loyalty.
The young lady is describing her husband's body in 5:10-16. Is it likely that while enamored of her husband, she would suddenly speak of another man in verse 16?
The man is symbolic for God. The woman symbolic for Israel. The description that she is describing in 5:10 through 16 IS the same man she speaks of in verse 16. I think u may have misunderstood what we were saying.
Did you watch the stream? I can tell you didnt...else u wouldnt be repeating this nonsense...u basically saying its a "love song" is basically throwing your own Bible and tradition from all major Church Fathers under the bus. You know that even Paul mentions about Song of Solomon in Galatians right and ge refers it to be about Jesus? So ure saying that u know ur Bible better than him and all your Church Fathers that gave u ur creed and canonized ur books?
@messerschmitt-bf-109-yl6tp lol the irony… who is it about then?
@messerschmitt-bf-109-yl6tp interpreting what’s written in the Bible doesn’t matter… ok got it. If you’re not certain about who it is, then what are some possibilities? Can you give any plausible examples?
@messerschmitt-bf-109-yl6tp oh ok I think I get what you’re saying. What ur saying is it’s about Solomon or probably about Solomon?
I appreciate these conversations.
I just say what the bible says.
Ishmael had a promise.
When the deserts were colonized by Ishmaelites they multiplied into tribes numbering the stars.
They began to infight as most nations do when they get too large in number and dont spread out.
The middle east was total chaos before Muhammad.
When the Quran was delivered to the children of ishmael it flipped the area upside down.
Finally they were able to calm down and get some understanding.
The bottom line is Muhammad said himself Jesus and Allah are both worthy of praise.
That Jesus is not dead and he will return!
People hate the Arabs so much they refuse to want to understand the Quran was sent to ishmael. The muslims refuse to understand the Torah was given to Moses to give to the Jew.
The argument of who is loved more or is more important is the dumbest argument and if Moses or Muhammad could come down they would be pissed at everyone.
The christian who sits in between Jew and Muslim saying they are both wrong only make everything worse. Like an instigator who thinks they the most loved.
QUITE SIMPLE THAT THE TORAH IS THE CORNERSTONE AND JESUS IS ITS WORD...ISHMAEL RECIEVED THE MESSAGE THROUGH ISHMAELITE LINEAGES TO KEEP THE PROMISE GIVEN BY THE ANGEL.
Just like bloodlines matter so does the line of message and who recieves it.
Its grey not black and white. The only thing that really matters is the part where the Torah came down to earth and will return to collect the wheat!
The fighting is just a desire to control prophecy via mans desires.
If the man called "beloved" is Solomon, then how can we be sure that the description in SOS 5/10-16 is not the description of Solomon himself?
Although Solomon is never directly called "beloved" (1/4, 1/5, 1/12, 3/7-11, 8/11-12), these verses suggest that it is him:
3/7 - Solomon had a wedding (he is a bridegroom)
4/16 - the woman says to the "beloved" to enter his garden
5/1 - the "beloved" responds and says to her "my bride" (he is a bridegroom)
Two bridegrooms doesn't make sense, so the "beloved" and Solomon is the same person
Com to the live stream and we can discuss. I don't do comment debates or discussions as they go no where
You can't try and use the Old Testament to prove Muhammad was a prophet, and then say the same Old Testament has been corrupted. That is just an untenable double standard.
Just coz something is corrupted, it doesn't mean it can't contain remnants of truth. That's a fallacious argument on your part...learn to make a valid argument.
@@dotsconnected2islam Sounds an awful lot like cherry picking, don't you think? The Bible is trustworthy when it aligns with my beliefs, but it's corrupted when it doesn't align with my beliefs.
@@WerdnaFPV If you're going to accuse us for cherry picking, then Christians are the biggest cherry pickers! The New Testament authors literally quote from the apocraphal books that u guys don't even have part of your canon! You guys misuse and misquote OT verses, totally ripping them apart and distorting it to prove Jesus in there. An example is how Matthew 1 uses the Emanuel prophecy in Isaiah 7, which has NOTHING to do with Jesus...read it from the beginning. Then you guys do the exact same thing with Psalm 22, Psalm 2:7, Isaiah 53...and on goes the list. So when you're available, come to the live stream, so i can educate you for free. And I absolutely agree that Islam doesn't align with your pagan beliefs: We don't believe in God needing blood sacrifice like a vampire to forgive our sins. We don't believe that God killed God to save mankind from God. Thats nonsensical! We also don't believe in Trinity (the hallmark of every single pagan religion in the past). This is why not a single Orthodox Jew will even step into a Church, but they are allowed to even use mosques for their prayer rituals. All Rabbinic Jews call you guys pagans!
@@dotsconnected2islam Chill out dude... Why are you getting upset? Is this how you guys give Dawah to non-Muslims?
I mean, I feel you’re just applying a hasty tu quoque argument here. Even if I grant that the NT authors cherry-picked (which I obviously don’t), it doesn’t give Muslims the pass to do the same.
Regarding Isaiah 7, I don't think it's a prophecy like Isaiah 53. Matthew never intended to push the point that it literally prophesied the virgin birth of Jesus. Isaiah 7 is a prophecy given to Ahaz about his son, that much is quite clear. Matthew doesn't even call it a prophecy, he uses the word ‘fulfil’ in the same way that he talks about Jesus coming out of Egypt in reference to Hosea 11:1. Obviously the Exodus already occurred, so Jesus isn’t ‘fulfilling’ these things in a prophesy sense. Matthew is just saying that Jesus' birth and life parallels many events in Israel’s history. Anyway, as a Muslim, you also believe in the virgin birth of Prophet Isa, so I don’t see why this should be an issue for us to argue about.
Lastly, I don’t really get why you gish-galloped about the Trinity, substitutionary atonement and other unrelated matters. But I’m not here to debate every single passage in scripture with you. I respect your beliefs, although I disagree with them. One day I’ll try and find time to come on your live stream and we can have a respectful conversation about this. God bless!
@@WerdnaFPV Now you're just tossing different "fallacies" without actually even understanding what they mean. Its not a to quoque if you're exposing someone's double standards. Learn your fallacies before using them. I specifically addressed your issue of muslims quoting from your corrupted Text. You didn't have an answer, this is why you're coping by going to other topics.
Come to the live stream as you're just wasting my time at this point. And we can discuss whatever u'd like. Stop with the paganism and come to the true message of God, which is Islam.
Btw, good try deflecting from the main topic. I can tell u probably didn't even watch the stream, and even if you did, you had no answer, this is why u had no answer to it. Thanks for proving us right :)
The Quran states that the Bible has been corrupted, so how can you interpret it to mean what you want?
Just because something is corrupted doesn't mean it can't contain remnants of the truth.
@@dotsconnected2islam so whatever doesn't confirm your position is corrupted, and whatever does is a remnant of the truth? It's intellectually dishonest and insulting.
I've never seen a single Muslim show a single evidence of what is corrupt. But, if you're mohamad and you came to the jews and claim to be a prophet and want to prove it, of course you'll say the Torah is corrupt.
The Torah is not corrupt. This claim is just Islamic colonization...
@@mr.coolmug3181 Peoples brains turn off when they talk about religion. Muslims are the most common people this phenomena affects
Hebrew words H423, H7160, and H6154.
Psalm 22:16
Revelation 1:7
Isaiah 21:13
KJV
Searching Muhammed in the bible is too much childish...I think!
Why don’t you head on over to GodLogic’s channel? He’s always asking people to prove Muhammad is in the Bible? Present this your argument during a live dialogue and see how quickly it gets refuted. This has been answered so many times. Also if your response is that they should come to your platform, why not go live on your platform same time as he is so that is happening on both platforms? No excuses, we are all in pursuit of truth
Tell him to come here.
No, it does not. In Song of Solomon 5:16, the maiden says of her lover, "His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem." The word translated as "lovely" is the Hebrew word ‘machamadim’. It is the plural of ‘machamad’, which means “lovely, cute, or desirable.” Although it is the root word of Muhammad, it does not follow that the verse refers to Muhammad, especially since the word used is a plural adjective, not the name of a person.
If Song of Solomon is an allegory for Yeshua as bridegroom, then the desirable one is Yeshua, not Muhammad. Otherwise it is talking about Solomon.
Muhammad (and "Jibril") can easily be found throughout the previous scripture:
My hand will be against prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not...be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. (Ezekiel 13:9)
The law and prophets were until John (Luke 16:16)
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets...if they say to you 'Behold, he is in the desert' go not forth: 'Behold, he is in the secret cave' believe it not. (Matthew 24:24-26)
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:8)
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. (2 Corinthians 11:14)
This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. (1 John 2:22-23)
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. (Revelation 22:18)
Even Qur'an confirms prophethood is given to children of Israel (Jacob), and Genesis says through them all the nations will be blessed, not Ishmael:
And certainly we gave the sons of Israel the book, and wisdom and the prophethood, and we provided them with good things, and we preferred them above all the world. (45:16)
Watch the video to see why it can't be about Jesus
Yes, you're right.
You wrote a lot of things and we can cover all of them inshaAllah, but pick the first one you want us to address and let’s go down the line. For your sake and ours I think it’d be more convenient if you just came live next time we cover this topic to discuss this. We will message u in advance here in this thread to let you know before we are going to cover this topic again.
Salaam everyone. I thought videos were immediately available after they go live?
Waalaykum AsSalam
I can Muhammad isn’t truly in the Bible which is a huge problem since he stated that it is written in Our scriptures as it’s stated >> The Hebrew word mahamaddim (Hebrew: מַחֲּמַדִּ֑ים, desirable, lovely) in Song of Songs 5:16 , in context is talking about a man and woman and the love they shared and A deeper meaning behind it is the connection between Jesus as the Bridegroom and the Love he has for his church the Bride. In Deuteronomy 18:18-“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.”, (it isn’t referring to Muhammad at all unless you are claiming he is a Jewish man? See the Key word among their brethren meaning the “Children of Israel” in their line. ) Moses was divinely intended to refer to Jesus Christ-not Muhammad. Shortly after the establishment of the church of Christ and the Christian religion (in A.D. 30 in Jerusalem on the first Pentecost after the death and resurrection of Jesus-Acts 2), two of the twelve apostles, Peter and John, went to the Jewish temple and healed a lame man (Acts 3:1-11). When people began to gather in large numbers out of amazement at what had happened, Peter used the opportunity to preach the Christian message to them (Acts 3:12-26). He made several crucial points pertaining to the person of the Christ: (1) the recently crucified Jesus was, in fact, the One Whom the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had glorified (vs. 13); (2) God had raised Him from the dead (vs. 15); (3) it was the “name” (i.e., authority/power) of Jesus, and faith in Him, that procured the miraculous healing of the lame man (vs. 16); (4) the suffering of Christ was predicted previously by God through the prophets (vs. 18); (5) at the conclusion of human history, God will send Jesus back (not any of the prophets, let alone Muhammad)-an unmistakable reference to the Second Coming of Christ immediately preceding the Judgment (vss. 20-21; cf. Romans 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Thessalonians 1:7ff.). It is at this point that Peter quoted from the passage in Deuteronomy and applied it to Jesus-not Muhammad (vss. 22ff.). Peter’s inspired application is unmistakable; he clearly identified Jesus as the fulfillment: “God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities” (vs. 26). Observe further that God stated explicitly that the prophet that He would raise up would come “from your brethren” (vs. 15; cf. vs. 18). In context, He was speaking to Moses, who was a descendant of Isaac. Arabs descended from Ishmael, not Isaac. Muhammad was not from the brethren of Moses and the Jews-he was an Arab. Muhammad does not fit the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18.
John 14-16 (Particularly these verses) >> Yet, because I have spoken these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. Nevertheless, I am telling you the truth. It is for your benefit that I go away, because if I don't go away the Counselor will not come to you. If I go, I will send him to you.
When he comes, he will convict the world about sin, righteousness, and judgment: About sin, because they do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you will no longer see me; and about judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. "I still have many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth. For he will not speak on his own, but he will speak whatever he hears.
He will also declare to you what is to come. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you.
Everything the Father has is mine. This is why I told you that he takes from what is mine and will declare it to you.
John 16:6-15
>> Jesus is referring to His Holy Spirit who is God, that will come and act as our helper and Advocate (so unless you are saying Muhammad is both Spirit and God- which is Shirk btw. ) this won’t fit the prophecy or description. >> Proof the Holy Spirit is God: "But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God."* Acts 5:3-4. >> oh , Also you say Paul you don’t support, But Allah copied the very words Paul used, for he wrote this >> 1 Corinthians 2:9
9 But, as it is written,
"What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined,
what God has prepared for those who love him" >> Sahih al-Bukhari 4779
• Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (#) said, "Allah said, 'I have prepared for my pious worshipers such things as no eye has ever seen, no ear has ever heard of, and nobody has ever thought of.">> Jamì at-Tirmidhi 3197
> Narrated Abu Hurairah:
that the Prophet (=) said: "Allah Most High said: 'I have prepared for My righteous worshipers what no eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no human heart has conceived'">> Hadith 37, 40 Hadith Qudsi
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (#) said:
Allah said: I have prepared for My righteous servants what no eye has seen and no ear has heard, not has it occurred to human heart. Etc. I have more Examples. Btw, the Trinity is in the OT. And if you need further proof feel free to ask :) hope this clarifies some things and misunderstandings.
If you read all this psalm, you will see the folly of those who told you this nonsense. By Name Mohamed is not mentioned, because Mohammed is a title not a name.
Muhammad is a name. Also, some titles can also be names.
Why don't u come to the live strean and teach me?
What was Muhammad real name ? Muhammad means the praised one but he only got that name after some people started to believe he was a prophet before that he was a nobody .
Come to the live stream tomorrow evening (9 pm EST) and we can discuss.
@@dobs862 Come to the live stream tomorrow evening (9 pm EST) and we can discuss.
We all knew that you would say it was changed. So, jews and christians would have to go around the world and change the word, Mahmad
Stup idea.
I have one question friend
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Dots Connected 2 islam you deleted the live stream so at least make a UA-cam short of Fawad with the Indian accent. I it need it in my life.
Jesus was actually Muhammad in the aramaic churvh. What does it mean? The Praised one!
Watch the whole video. Jesus is no where to be found in Song of Solomon 5-6. Stop putting Jesus in the OT where he doesn't belong. Use your brain for once
All the smacking of the lips sounds pretentious or ignorant. I really tried to listen but it's a no-go for headphone users.I can honestly say that the first 37:34 was not very conclusive, it sounds like stretching and reaching to me. Maybe try again with a AI voice if you can't figure out the technology to use chapstick.
come to the live stream...we're live and lets discuss.
You can make up stuff all you want. The name of Muhammad is NOT there.
Great refutation to the argument! lmao. Clown
Dr. Michael Brown clarified everything. You can’t force a pronunciation of the word. There is no formal Hebrew as you’ve been told. Your mispronunciation of the word changes the meaning and you would have to change the meaning for every every other time that the word is used.
@@thejohnwhiteproject5202 We refuted Dr. Brown and his lies in our video. Watch it. Stop appealing to authorities and deal with the argument. Dr. Brown is a proven liar...he lied about the pronunciation and we proved it in our video.
@@dotsconnected2islam just because you say it doesn’t refute Dr Brown.
Great presentation! Let me guess: No Christians showed up to challenge again? haha.
Babies playing in the sandbox of giants.
There is no point in entertaining such out of touch perspectives.
You don't seek the truth, you just want to be right.
Prophet Solomon will be OP's accuser if OP does not repent of this.
Proverbs 30:4: "Who has ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is his Son's name, if you can tell?"
People don't challenge degenerate cherry picked ideas
Can you first address why allah would be mistaken and quote from talmud, legend of the jews among other non scripture books
Allah quotes manmade book🤣🤣Jew rabbi better holy writing than Allah🤣🤣
Is this admitting where Torah is mentioned in Quran, it is referring to Old Testament?
Come to the live discussion tomorrow 9pm EST and we can talk about this.
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@@C120. Thanks for yapping in the comments section and helping the channel grow with the algorithm. I'll consider this your Jizyah :) If you find courage though, do show up for the live stream where I'll be online tomorrow 9pm EST
@@dotsconnected2islam How can there be a Jizya if there is no caliphate? Sharifian, Abu Issa, ISIS, they all failed into establishing it. Sykes Picot agreement, Balfour declaration, the destruction of the caliphate. The Ummah is in its century of humiliation. The Ummah is so devastated they had to do hijrah (🤣) to the west because their Ummah was so humiliated and disgraced. You have been willingly humbled, your people have bent the knee, and you are now the dogs of the west.
So the bible is not corrupted then?
come to the live stream tonight and we can discuss. We'll be on 9pm EST.
@@dotsconnected2islam nah, i'm russian, i don't really care. There is plenty of american fish in the sea though.
Dots, this is a Christian argument that I thought of. Maybe you can make a video or short out of it:
Christian: You muslins always say that it isn’t the canon that decides what the theology is. Rather, it is the theology which decides what the canon is. If that’s the case, why do you state there are anti-trinity, anti-Jesus is God verses in the New Testament if the Trinitarians and others chose the canon based on their beliefs?
Their theological beliefs don't only contain Trinity...it contains sacrifice and sin as well. They took out many books and labelled them as apocrypha if it went against those. Its a long topic
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So let me get this straight allah put prophesies of mohammad in the bible but then let the bible get corrupted. that literally makes no sense
It does make sense...u guys believe the exact same thing. Read Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho where he actually says the EXACT same thing about Jesus's prophecies in the old testament :) Come to the live stream on Sunday so I can school you.
@@dotsconnected2islam Justin Martyr can have any opinion he wants. I could care less,. What i do care about is why allah put mohommad in a book that he allowed to be corrupted
@@crossexaminingscriptures4094 Ah so when it suits your narrative, you appeal to Justin Martyr for your creed, your logos theology, but when it goes against your narrative, you throw him under the bus. Typical Christian lol. Also, Justin Martyr didn't just give his opinion, he actually proved to Trypho that the Jews corrupted it (according to his Dialogue with Trypho). Not just that, your own New Testament writers quote many Jewish apocryphal books, even though you guys consider them to be extra-biblical and not inspired by God. Now go ahead and throw your NT authors under the bus as well lol. Educate yourself on the topic and then speak.
@@dotsconnected2islam Are you going to keep doing the muslim shuffle or are you going to attempt to answer my question
@@crossexaminingscriptures4094 I already did answer your question...u were the one that started waffling and not dealing with the actual argument presented in the video, neither did you present any refutation to my Justin Martyry's argument, nor the the NT authors quoting the apocrphal books. Now if you want to turn this into a debate, feel free to show up on our live streams on Sunday (9pm). I don't do comment debates. See ya. Come prepared and bring your evidence, because I don't tolerate waffling on my live streams.
NONSENSE.....
Just calling something "nonsense" doesnt become nonsense. Refute the argument
Yes it certainly is.
@@dotsconnected2islam how do you expect people to refute the argument when you won’t answer any refutation they provide except for to whine about red herrings and personal attacks when commenters complain about you NOT answering anything?, oh and btw, screeching they should come on your live is a fallacy bc you would NEVER allow someone who can easily and confidently refute your stupidity in your stream, without your lies, Islam not only dies, it’s already dead
Mohammad is not a female.
Nobody made that claim. Watch the entire presentation and don't make yourself look like an idiot.
@@dotsconnected2islam It's my assertion.
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