Pete giving a succinct "it could've been better" followed by Dan giving a soliloquy about all the stuff he read into it and his head canon is the perfect summation of wrestling fans
kinda true but he;s kinda right here. I staye dup all night for it and was disappointed but I still enjoyed it and felt like it was a hint of things to come. @@sven_bender
I beg to differ. Pete is the fan who can't distinguish the character CM punk from the person, Phil Brooks. Dan seems to clearly understand that CM punk is a character, and Phil Brooks is a person, who has managed to blur the lines between fiction and reality better than any pro wrestler or sports entertainer before him. It's the reason why Dan can allow himself to just enjoy it, and postulate on the story beats within the promo, while Pete is stuuck trying to understand why Punk doesn't feel like Punk. The best description I ever heard, about professional wrestlers, was the idea that the best characters, are the real person turned up to 11. The "11" is the character portrayed on TV. The people behind the characters may have aspects of themselves within the characters, to varying degrees. A great example of this, is to compare The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and CM punk, to the real life people who portray these characters. Remember: The on screen character is the "11." Dwayne Johnson is probably a 6 or 7, dialed up 5 or 6 levels to become The Rock Steve Williams is probably an 8 or 9, dialed up 3 or 4 levels to be Stone Cold. Phil Brooks is probably a 10.5, dialed up .5 to become CM Punk. Punk blurs the lines so much, it's hard for some people to distinguish the two, and in fairness, Phil Brooks' reality bleeds over into his character so much, it's understandable why people like Pete respond the way they do. Punk's character is so believable, people are convinced it's real....but it's not. It's a character. That's a Cult of Personality. Listen to the song's lyrics. It explains everything. Pete stating he doesn't believe Punk (within the mic'd portion of the promo), then hearing the "un-mic'd" portion, and saying that's the real Punk, is like watching a fictional movie about making a movie, and when the in-movie director says 'cut', those are the real fictional characters....They're ALL fictional characters. Phil Brooks, through is blurring the lines so well, has convinced you CM Punk is 100% who Phil is.... ...in reality, that's only 97% true.
This is the same channel where people like pete,luke and oli think that passing off smarky comments on wrestling angles is review there is Dan who actually does a deep dive into angles and promos. He not the reviewer that wrestletalk deserves but it needs the most. Keep up the good work dan.
I couldn't agree with Pete more. With Punk's promos, I buy into them because I believe that he believes what he's saying (Whether he actually believes what he's saying most of the time is a different discussion). But last nights promo, I didn't believe a single word of it until he pulled the mic away and said "I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money." That one line was better and more interesting than anything he said on the mic.
Not sure if you guys read comments this late in a video, but Dan's analysis/opinion on the Punk promo and your overall discussion is what makes WrestleTalk amazing!
They're doing a LOT of things that make me think Jey is betraying Cody when he fights Roman again. I've been saying for a few weeks now that Drew isn't the character that they'd have be wrong about someone. He can stay a heel because he's angry that no one believed him, but his character has ALWAYS been shown to be highly intelligent when it comes to seeing through people. Now they went out of their way to have Randy say to Jey "AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT IN THE BLOODLINE... we're good" At the end of the day, it's still Jey's family that benefits from Roman being the champ. He could take the belt off him, but not someone outside the family.
Pete: meh it could have been better Dan:(goes into the inner workings of the promo) Honestly it’s like Dan understands wrestling more than the entire group of wrestletalk
Read a report from PWInsider that CM Punk's promo was cut short because of RKO vs Dirty Dom's match being too long... CM Punk's promo should have been at the beginning of the show, it didn't make sense for the one hour commercial free... I didn't like nor dislike the promo itself, you know WWE, they always make a tease on things to come and would let us choose to watch every week to see how the story unfolds... RAW is 8/10 for me! Great show!
The one thing I don't like about wrestletalk is the discrediting of artists, like someone will be announced as multi-platinum or grammy award winning and it's always called into question or belittled. I also don't know who jelly roll is but Nashville definetly did and if they're multi-platinum it probably means alot of other people did too. It kinda reminds me of when wrestling fans were downplaying bad bunny's fame when he first came in the WWE. You don't have to know the person but comments like "if every one is a multi platinum recording artist,is anyone..." just feel weird considering all multi-platinum means is that asong has sold more than two million copies
If there is anything I know about Wrestletalk especially in the last few months it’s that they’re the very passive aggressive wrestling fans of the IWC and don’t like much about the thing. Having celebrities show up that aren’t someone like Tyson piss them off
Im no psychologist but listening to the first dance promo and this one, it feels like there is an emotion that is just not there for his WWE promo. The one from rampage, you can see in his eyes there is real genuine emotion and it felt like he meant it with the "if any of the personal decisions I have made in my life affected you, I understand. But I was never going to get healthy staying where I was" bit. I just did not get that from this promo. It felt malicious in a way, like he was just saying stuff with a crafted intention of being likeable calling it home. but also, these is very reminiscent of what he was doing on Collision, with the "tell me when im telling lies", so he might just be carrying that character on over here. He probably really wants to be heel but WWE wants him to be face at least for a bit.
What else would you expect? He's starting again in a company that he had so much of banter for 9 years... worked in another promotion got fired and legally cannot say anything... So for the start its not great but a good start with a babyface promo and a hint of heel at the end.
Nakamura specifically dropping "chaos" into his promo was interesting whether that means a return to that version and tactics (started to see the return of the mist recently) of Shin or a hint of him starting a new faction..... Or it was just a throwaway reference meant to make ears of people who know his pre-WWE history prick up 😂
When I watched CM Punk's promo, I thought it was sounded like a forced hostage statement. It was summed up in three phrases: "I've changed." "I'm home." "I'm not here to make friends. I'm here for the money." This was not the old rebel CM Punk. This was sellout, corporate, scripted Punk kissing the ring. I would not have noticed it so much, had he not been fired just 2 1/2 months ago. To see him on a WWE stage, making that promo, to me, made him look like a defeated rebel being paraded around like a trophy. Watch that promo on mute and look at his face. That is the look of a man who is hating himself inside. Maybe the truest thing he said was indeed: "I'm here for the money." If it's a work, it's a GREAT work.
It's a work. Rollins called Punk a hypocrite earlier in the night. So doesn't it make sense that Punk puts on a babyface, goody-two-shoes persona for the time being? The last line of the promo hints at his true nature. WWE is playing up the hypocrisy angle for now. The reveal/turn will come, slowly.
@@psell8628 You nailed it! That's what has me thinking this is all a work, and those statements were very carefully chosen. Like Randy Orton's heel turn that YOU KNOW is coming.
Look at the timeframe from London to Survivor Series: the standard 90 days [no-complete]. Is that not an indicator that a certain “door” is open (and is done so) hidden in plain sight?
When all the drama from AEW and CM Punk happened I didn’t want him to come back to WWE again, however i’m completely on board. This time no drama, put the water under the bridge, stay humble and let’s all enjoy.
@@SpaceGamblerJRYeah, just like after he came back to be better and mend fences and was almost immediately shat on by some jerk he was trying to make sure didn’t make a mistake. There is bearly any respect in that locker room and a load of heavy egos. When you get in a man’s face like JB did (especially a man like Phill) expect nothing less
Punk is like Jeff hardy and riddle for me. Everytime I invest they let me down. If this run works cool, but I just can't bring myself to care for punk at this point. Been burned too many times
I wasn’t that impressed with Punk’s promo. The only part I actually believed was when he said he came back for the money. The tag team gauntlet was fun (if maybe a bit too long) and I like how they’re building up the Creeeds. Everything with Randy Orton was great here. The fans REALLY want to see him RKO Rhea. The Women’s Booking, was not great. Instead of keeping up Zoey’s momentum after a big title match, they just have Nia beat her CLEAN! Why? Also Nia kicked Zoey right in the head while trying to drag her, sloppy. And you had Tegan take the pin in the tag match while Nattie was right there, why? Cody vs. Nakamura could be a fun filler feud.
Pete is the fan who can't distinguish the character CM punk from the person, Phil Brooks. Dan seems to clearly understand that CM punk is a character, and Phil Brooks is a person, who has managed to blur the lines between fiction and reality better than any pro wrestler or sports entertainer before him. It's the reason why Dan can allow himself to just enjoy it, and postulate on the story beats within the promo, while Pete is stuuck trying to understand why Punk doesn't feel like Punk. The best description I ever heard, about professional wrestlers, was the idea that the best characters, are the real person turned up to 11. The "11" is the character portrayed on TV. The people behind the characters may have aspects of themselves within the characters, to varying degrees. A great example of this, is to compare The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and CM punk, to the real life people who portray these characters. Remember: The on screen character is the "11." Dwayne Johnson is probably a 6 or 7, dialed up 5 or 6 levels to become The Rock Steve Williams is probably an 8 or 9, dialed up 3 or 4 levels to be Stone Cold. Phil Brooks is probably a 10.5, dialed up .5 to become CM Punk. Punk blurs the lines so much, it's hard for some people to distinguish the two, and in fairness, Phil Brooks' reality bleeds over into his character so much, it's understandable why people like Pete respond the way they do. Punk's character is so believable, people are convinced it's real....but it's not. It's a character. That's a Cult of Personality. Listen to the song's lyrics. It explains everything. Pete stating he doesn't believe Punk (within the mic'd portion of the promo), then hearing the "un-mic'd" portion, and saying that's the real Punk, is like watching a fictional movie about making a movie, and when the in-movie director says 'cut', those are the real fictional characters....They're ALL fictional characters. Phil Brooks, through is blurring the lines so well, has convinced you CM Punk is 100% who Phil is.... ...in reality, that's only 97% true.
Upon hearing Dan's take about the promo, I realised that when he says "I'm home" he probably does mean it I saw a tweet that literally said like "if anyone is confused why Punk says he's home it's probably because they weren't in an abusive household" And that's so true, BUT ALSO the WWE is a completely different company and that is somewhat down to the actions of Punk, its why Bryan won at WM30, Rollins at WM31, Styles and Ambrose, Kofi at WM35. It can all be linked back directly to the pipebomb
I’m really looking forward to see what wwe has in store for punk and who he will work with. We have a lot of dream feuds. What an exciting time to be a wrestling fan. Congratulations dan for retaining the title. Congratulations for being on RAW
@@SqueepsTheGodwe all couldve seen that coming a mile a way, he has nowhere else to go, WWE has no integrity, and now HHH's has his balls on his desk one fuck up and he's gone.
Look at the timeframe from London to Survivor Series: the standard 90 days [no-complete]. Is that not an indicator that a certain “door” is open (and is done so) hidden in plain sight?
I dunno if this is meant to be a long story, but the promo felt very phoney. It felt like a generic golly gee I'm happy to be back promo. Like if Chris Masters came back for example he'd give the same promo. Especially the WWE is my home line. Just some months ago he was taking shots at "his home".
I think for the most part I agree with Dan. I think this almost deluded convincing himself this was the right move after years of rallying against this is so interesting. And that last line gives the viewers at home a different perspective to the audience like an insider joke of what is to come. Because in AEW 90% of punks promos was I’m here for the fans why would this be different? He controversy in AEW was based around he’s a different person in front of the camera than behind it and that’s an interesting dynamic to slowly unravel to a heel turn. I feel we didn’t need a story a promo was fine but maybe give the people that know punks story a little more a subtle dig at this is a different company, how the new management are friends of his and maybe a shot at Vince that is so subtle sponsors and wwe die hard fans didn’t even notice but we notice would make this promo electric Like the lines in his aew promo he never directly called out wwe but we all know what he meant
Part of me thinks given the timeframe from London to Survivor Series (aka the standard 90 days), a certain “door” is open (and is done so) while hidden in plain sight.
You're both right. I think if Triple H had a little bit more experience running things, he'd have the experience "as a DM", I think things would have worked out better about using Punk.
One thing that stands out for me in the promo is the sensation from the line "the voiceless have found their voice"...which makes sense for him to be back...we don't need THAT Cm Punk now, WWE doesn't need him aswell...but oh boy! we can make buissiness and enjoy ourselves in doing so. That's what I take from a mere part of it all. It was indeed a promo with various layers, but presented in a simple way. This is not your grandpa wrestling bussiness, anymore. And it's very cool.
Punk promo came off as insanely fake. He basically just copied what Triple H said in the press conference. If that's the point and apart of the story sure but if they are playing this seriously, which with WWE you never know, this is very cringe. Only genuine moment was the bit at the end.
**posted before watching the live stream** My fantasy booking: Punk vs Seth at RR (Priest steals/wins the title on cash-in). With Cody winning the RR match. Cody challenges Roman and Punk wins elimination chamber to face Priest at WM. WM is loaded: Cody finishes the story and Punk overcomes the entire JD to beat Priest. Gunther vs Brock, LA Knight vs Logan Paul, Jey vs Jimmy, Becky vs Ripley, Belair vs Jade. Post WM Punk and have programs with Gunther, Drew, Brock, maybe SNak. (In whatever order) leading to a Seth return. Only problem is what Cody does post WM- I guess there’s Solo and maybe Logan Paul. Other than that someone needs to turn like KO or AJ
It’s classic WWE to give you something at a PPV and then leave you hanging until the end of RAW only to be left with more questions than answers. If a storyline could naturally take a year they’ll make it take 3… There’s also the fact that they don’t know what to do with him yet, signed him for the merch and tv deals so it will take a while for him to settle in, I just hope they do something like he calls out Seth and then Seth says no, and Adam Pearce says you need to work your way up you don’t just get a title shot straight away.. then he goes on a tear and bothering Seth for a few months so they get a match maybe at rumble and a rematch at mania. I do not want him winning the rumble - that’s too lazy
That promo said everything about Punk's character. He cut a scripted promo basically saying he's a company guy (proof that Rollins's hypocrite statement is true) and showing that he's a heel now. That last line when he was then speaking as himself and not "on the mic and scripted" he blatantly told us that he's here for the money. He's a corporate sellout heel and it was genius.
100% agree with Peta that WWE had chance to gain some fans cause a lot of people would've tuned in the show this week only for Punk, including myself. But since they didn't give them much to care about (not only from Punk cause apart from couple of things, the rest of the show was easily skippable. And then too, one of the good thing was McIntyre's work, which you don't enjoy if you ain't updated with the product regularly), they won't come back next week. I see myself in those fans too. I watched first RAW in months, and apart from Orton & Punk on it, everything seems absolutely the same as it was months ago.
I hope that after the segment with R-truth and the judgement day, we just see Truth believe he's a member of the judgement day (maybe using old WWE payperview names or just constantly getting their group name wrong) And for their big group entrance, R-truth could show up behind them dressed as a vampire.
47:28 Seth loses the belt to punk at Royal Rumble, Seth wins money in the bank in February. . . WAITS until Cody beats Roman, cashes in and WINS the universal title, Being the FIRST to hold both titles in the same year, within 6 months.
So when I was watching the Pay-Per-View and Randy Orton return when he hit the RKO it seemed like he landed on his side and very quickly rolled across his back like a Ric Flair would land on his side because of his back issues so maybe he'll be okay...
One flaw I see with Dan's idea is that the story paints WWE as the villain. No matter how you may feel about the company itself IRL, in *kayfabe* they're a face company. They listen to the fans, thwart cheating heels, storyline morale is up, etc. With Dan's story, it's just turning them back into a heel Authority if it's about Punk being an unwilling cog in the corporate machine.
This whole comment section is the perfect set of the IWC. Passionate lovers and haters, Hateful people not looking to see a different perspective, curious thinkers, complainers about the channel, someone or two bashing one of the gentlemen, and someone criticizing the IWC because they’re annoying (HI) and someone looking in the mirror because they’re a part of this too (HI)
Didn't Punk when he was in AEW say ROH was like his home. AEW was his place. He was the one running the show, He gets fired goes back to WWE. I'm Home. He is such a player. He knows how to play the crowd. He didn't want to come back to WWE until he had nowhere else to go. Now he is back and I don't want the ending we are getting. I don't like Cody, but Punk is toxic. He is going to try and weasel his way into Wrestlemania main event and push Gunther out of HIS main event. Just like Cena Rock that he still whines about.
CM Punk literally told you before he started the promo "This isn't going to be the type of stuff you'd usually hear me say". He told you from the get go that it wouldn't be a typical CM Punk promo - it would be something different. "He sounded fake and manufactured." Almost as if that was by design? You can't genuinely sit there and tell me WWE were trying to make him come across as a sympathetic babyface from that promo. The whole thing screamed "insincere and conceited". They're leaning into him being a hypocritical jackass, hell, they even had Seth Rollins call him a hypocrite earlier in the night. It's obvious where they're going with this: they're having Punk become everything that he once hated, the part time veteran who's only in it for the money, and once they have Rollins confront him about that, you'll get "scorched Earth" CM Punk back. This is Triple H's booking. The payoff is usually amazing but the build to it can be really slow. Let it cook.
No matter what WWE does dan will say it wasn't good enough for him what makes you so special that everything they do u hate on dude lol . Just enjoy it it's actually quality now and u still complain.
I find it hilarious that so many youtube wrestling channels (not you guys i loved Pete and Dans analysis) all speak about wanting long term booking but have no patience to see where things go. It reminds me of when i went to see Paranormal Activity and i heard a moron behind me say "this is boring i just want hell to come through the screen"
I feel like punks promo was a shoot/work promo that allowed him to genuinely express joy at being back, but also set up his imminent heel turn. It was the calm before the storm… he’s going to be the top heel in the company within a year. He’s going to essentially be the new vince
When you look at the timeframe from London to Survivor Series it’s the standard 90 days [no-complete]. To me, it’s an indicator we’re witnessing the “forbidden door” being open (and done so) while hidden in plain sight.
Heres the thing, 9 years ago, WWE were the bad guy in the CM Punk and Wrestling story. Today, its almost a no lose situation for them. If it goes well, then all that bad history is firmly laid at the feet of Vince and the old guard. HHH has truly changed WWE and can manage top stars, as a former Wrestler, better than the rich fan with a reputation of playing with his action figures. If it goes badly, well Punks the problem isnt he, thats how it will come across, Issues within AEW, issues within WWE. I'm not suggesting this is bury them from within, but Punk's shadow has loomed over WWE for nearly a decade. Unless they royally fuck this up, I just cant see anything other than them coming out of this better than they looked before it. It may well become, that CM Punk going too, and fucking up in AEW is the best thing that has ever happened to WWE.
Punks heel turn can take 2 directions that will ultimately lead to same road, he is a heel akin to a corporate sellout betraying everyone who believed in him or heel who who believes he’s the reason why “Indy darlings” have made it in main stream wrestling.
I dont understand why Pete is complaining so much. This isnt the one and only episode of RAW its a weekly TV. Why everything has to be immeditaley.... its a big deal Punk is back in WWE so if you say fans who tuned in today it was a missed opportunity well No... if you are a real Fan you will get it... the promo was fine not great but its a story that needs to playout... so much of complaint on just one episode.
💯 agree! Back during the Attitude Era, the dirt sheets didn’t matter as much to a majority of the fans nor did the commentary of other bystanders. We just tuned in every week desperate to find out what was said next! While I do love wrestling podcasts, there’s a reason I tend to avoid them and it’s no different today than it was during the Attitude Era when I avoided the dirt sheets: wrestling fans will always p*ss off other wrestling fans when they share their opinions. The secret to remaining excited about the current wrestling storyline: do not talk about it online. You will not find the instant gratification you seek.
I’m so excited to see where CM Punk does next. I like to see him have a segment with Paul Heyman given their history. There’s a possibility that his wife AJ Lee will come back eventually too. With the women’s division being where it is right now, she can finish her story too.😊👊🏾🤍
I think most of his promo was disingenuous and I think was by design. He said ppl loved him backstage when we all know it's not the case. He's home. "He's changed" i think he's gonna be a heel.
There is an intense wall between what WWE and AEW hold in terms of what they want to produce. Don’t get me wrong, as a hardcore wrestling fan, I would love to watch Punk discuss being fired and being the anti and his time in AEW, y’all forget something. Casual WWE fans do not give an f word about that stuff. AEW can do those explosive promos breaking the 4th wall and everything because their fan base is more traditionally hardcore. WWE has never really been in the business of pleasing the 4th wall breakage, even during the Helmsley Era. And that speaks to a real thing people should realize: Punk can’t be Punk anymore. What made Punk interesting then? He was anti company of a company that was actually bad under the Vince regime. Now, he can’t do that. WWE will always cater to their deals and their casuals, we will always be second. While I want to be proven wrong, I don’t have my hopes up. Punk will be interesting, and I’m along for the ride.
I tuned into raw for the first time in 4 years for punk and I will never do that again, raw is just painful to watch. You would think since everyone is tuning in for punk you would think they would step it up.
I really love the story dan is weaving, I just don't think that's the story that's actually being told. I genuinely hope this is something better than what I expect I'm just worried it's not.
I really want CM Punk to form a tag team with R-Truth, Called, "True Punks". They stay in the tag division with a 50/50 win loss record. Until CM Punk leaves again.
After all this buzz about Pepsi Phill's return and Pete & Dan to RAW confirmed, could anyone tell me something that really matters.. Who's The JamThat Jampion post Survivor Series?
@kenshiro1075 said it best, and I advise everyone to actually go watch the promo again.. its heelish AF the "ive changed" before I'm home is what you should be creating a whole head canon around.. the "i love you guys" before the nod to heyman should make it clear too but no, yall are far too invested in your own created narrative(s) since the buzz of the Maybe return and so anything that isnt what you envisioned will of course be meh/mid in comparison
Dan I love you bro, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if you need this much head cannon to make something work, it doesnt work for most people. I'm glad it works for you, but for most other people it seemed like a real flat 5 minutes.
Pete giving a succinct "it could've been better" followed by Dan giving a soliloquy about all the stuff he read into it and his head canon is the perfect summation of wrestling fans
Dan bores me to death to be honest. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but I can't sit and listen to him for 90 minutes.
@@sven_benderthen don't asshole
kinda true but he;s kinda right here. I staye dup all night for it and was disappointed but I still enjoyed it and felt like it was a hint of things to come. @@sven_bender
I beg to differ. Pete is the fan who can't distinguish the character CM punk from the person, Phil Brooks. Dan seems to clearly understand that CM punk is a character, and Phil Brooks is a person, who has managed to blur the lines between fiction and reality better than any pro wrestler or sports entertainer before him. It's the reason why Dan can allow himself to just enjoy it, and postulate on the story beats within the promo, while Pete is stuuck trying to understand why Punk doesn't feel like Punk.
The best description I ever heard, about professional wrestlers, was the idea that the best characters, are the real person turned up to 11. The "11" is the character portrayed on TV. The people behind the characters may have aspects of themselves within the characters, to varying degrees. A great example of this, is to compare The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and CM punk, to the real life people who portray these characters.
Remember: The on screen character is the "11."
Dwayne Johnson is probably a 6 or 7, dialed up 5 or 6 levels to become The Rock
Steve Williams is probably an 8 or 9, dialed up 3 or 4 levels to be Stone Cold.
Phil Brooks is probably a 10.5, dialed up .5 to become CM Punk.
Punk blurs the lines so much, it's hard for some people to distinguish the two, and in fairness, Phil Brooks' reality bleeds over into his character so much, it's understandable why people like Pete respond the way they do. Punk's character is so believable, people are convinced it's real....but it's not. It's a character.
That's a Cult of Personality. Listen to the song's lyrics. It explains everything. Pete stating he doesn't believe Punk (within the mic'd portion of the promo), then hearing the "un-mic'd" portion, and saying that's the real Punk, is like watching a fictional movie about making a movie, and when the in-movie director says 'cut', those are the real fictional characters....They're ALL fictional characters.
Phil Brooks, through is blurring the lines so well, has convinced you CM Punk is 100% who Phil is....
...in reality, that's only 97% true.
@@eversongodfrey9844 nvm, this is the perfect summation of wrestling fans
Pete and Dan getting a video package but not being in the tag team turmoil match is such a shame
This is the same channel where people like pete,luke and oli think that passing off smarky comments on wrestling angles is review there is Dan who actually does a deep dive into angles and promos. He not the reviewer that wrestletalk deserves but it needs the most. Keep up the good work dan.
When he said he loved the fans, I couldn’t help but groan. I hope that was by design.
I couldn't agree with Pete more. With Punk's promos, I buy into them because I believe that he believes what he's saying (Whether he actually believes what he's saying most of the time is a different discussion). But last nights promo, I didn't believe a single word of it until he pulled the mic away and said "I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to make money." That one line was better and more interesting than anything he said on the mic.
which is obviously the whole point. Well, let's hope so haha. I just hope it doesn't take forever and if it does we get good shit during it.
agreed, felt fake entire time
That’s the point….
Seeing Wrestletalk and Cultaholic in the video package was 😂
This CM Punk Promo gave me huge Homelander vibes. I just can’t wait for Punk to snap and show his true self
That’s what we all thought would happen in AEW though
Not sure if you guys read comments this late in a video, but Dan's analysis/opinion on the Punk promo and your overall discussion is what makes WrestleTalk amazing!
They're doing a LOT of things that make me think Jey is betraying Cody when he fights Roman again.
I've been saying for a few weeks now that Drew isn't the character that they'd have be wrong about someone. He can stay a heel because he's angry that no one believed him, but his character has ALWAYS been shown to be highly intelligent when it comes to seeing through people.
Now they went out of their way to have Randy say to Jey "AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT IN THE BLOODLINE... we're good"
At the end of the day, it's still Jey's family that benefits from Roman being the champ. He could take the belt off him, but not someone outside the family.
Pete: meh it could have been better
Dan:(goes into the inner workings of the promo)
Honestly it’s like Dan understands wrestling more than the entire group of wrestletalk
Read a report from PWInsider that CM Punk's promo was cut short because of RKO vs Dirty Dom's match being too long... CM Punk's promo should have been at the beginning of the show, it didn't make sense for the one hour commercial free... I didn't like nor dislike the promo itself, you know WWE, they always make a tease on things to come and would let us choose to watch every week to see how the story unfolds... RAW is 8/10 for me! Great show!
The one thing I don't like about wrestletalk is the discrediting of artists, like someone will be announced as multi-platinum or grammy award winning and it's always called into question or belittled. I also don't know who jelly roll is but Nashville definetly did and if they're multi-platinum it probably means alot of other people did too. It kinda reminds me of when wrestling fans were downplaying bad bunny's fame when he first came in the WWE. You don't have to know the person but comments like "if every one is a multi platinum recording artist,is anyone..." just feel weird considering all multi-platinum means is that asong has sold more than two million copies
If there is anything I know about Wrestletalk especially in the last few months it’s that they’re the very passive aggressive wrestling fans of the IWC and don’t like much about the thing. Having celebrities show up that aren’t someone like Tyson piss them off
5:50 WELL SAID! I found his promo quite compelling and shocking. Your explanation was simply brilliant though! Wow.
Im no psychologist but listening to the first dance promo and this one, it feels like there is an emotion that is just not there for his WWE promo. The one from rampage, you can see in his eyes there is real genuine emotion and it felt like he meant it with the "if any of the personal decisions I have made in my life affected you, I understand. But I was never going to get healthy staying where I was" bit. I just did not get that from this promo. It felt malicious in a way, like he was just saying stuff with a crafted intention of being likeable calling it home.
but also, these is very reminiscent of what he was doing on Collision, with the "tell me when im telling lies", so he might just be carrying that character on over here. He probably really wants to be heel but WWE wants him to be face at least for a bit.
What else would you expect?
He's starting again in a company that he had so much of banter for 9 years... worked in another promotion got fired and legally cannot say anything...
So for the start its not great but a good start with a babyface promo and a hint of heel at the end.
Congrats to both of you for making it into WWE programming, I marked out for that!!!
Am I the only one who read the punk promo as actually a really good heel turn seed planting promo!
no a lot of people did. Ppl just thought they were gonna get something crazy where he rips aew or something.
Glad to hear that. Commented before the pod and it turns out Dan sums up my feelings pretty well so maybe I should have waited lok
I feel like it's the beginning of a long con
maybe becuase he got injured and fired??? lmao@@Kr4ShSkeL
Nakamura specifically dropping "chaos" into his promo was interesting whether that means a return to that version and tactics (started to see the return of the mist recently) of Shin or a hint of him starting a new faction..... Or it was just a throwaway reference meant to make ears of people who know his pre-WWE history prick up 😂
When I watched CM Punk's promo, I thought it was sounded like a forced hostage statement. It was summed up in three phrases:
"I've changed."
"I'm home."
"I'm not here to make friends. I'm here for the money."
This was not the old rebel CM Punk. This was sellout, corporate, scripted Punk kissing the ring. I would not have noticed it so much, had he not been fired just 2 1/2 months ago. To see him on a WWE stage, making that promo, to me, made him look like a defeated rebel being paraded around like a trophy. Watch that promo on mute and look at his face. That is the look of a man who is hating himself inside. Maybe the truest thing he said was indeed: "I'm here for the money." If it's a work, it's a GREAT work.
It's a work. Rollins called Punk a hypocrite earlier in the night. So doesn't it make sense that Punk puts on a babyface, goody-two-shoes persona for the time being? The last line of the promo hints at his true nature. WWE is playing up the hypocrisy angle for now. The reveal/turn will come, slowly.
@@psell8628 You nailed it! That's what has me thinking this is all a work, and those statements were very carefully chosen. Like Randy Orton's heel turn that YOU KNOW is coming.
Look at the timeframe from London to Survivor Series: the standard 90 days [no-complete]. Is that not an indicator that a certain “door” is open (and is done so) hidden in plain sight?
I'm glad i wasn't the only one that rolled their eyes at punk's promo
When all the drama from AEW and CM Punk happened I didn’t want him to come back to WWE again, however i’m completely on board. This time no drama, put the water under the bridge, stay humble and let’s all enjoy.
Yeah right good luck with that. Just like after brawl out right?
@@SpaceGamblerJRYeah, just like after he came back to be better and mend fences and was almost immediately shat on by some jerk he was trying to make sure didn’t make a mistake. There is bearly any respect in that locker room and a load of heavy egos.
When you get in a man’s face like JB did (especially a man like Phill) expect nothing less
Punk is like Jeff hardy and riddle for me. Everytime I invest they let me down. If this run works cool, but I just can't bring myself to care for punk at this point. Been burned too many times
The "Priest runs out of time to cash in" could work ONLY if that leads to him becoming a mega heel-monster and going on a tear
I wasn’t that impressed with Punk’s promo. The only part I actually believed was when he said he came back for the money.
The tag team gauntlet was fun (if maybe a bit too long) and I like how they’re building up the Creeeds.
Everything with Randy Orton was great here. The fans REALLY want to see him RKO Rhea.
The Women’s Booking, was not great. Instead of keeping up Zoey’s momentum after a big title match, they just have Nia beat her CLEAN! Why? Also Nia kicked Zoey right in the head while trying to drag her, sloppy. And you had Tegan take the pin in the tag match while Nattie was right there, why?
Cody vs. Nakamura could be a fun filler feud.
Pete is the fan who can't distinguish the character CM punk from the person, Phil Brooks. Dan seems to clearly understand that CM punk is a character, and Phil Brooks is a person, who has managed to blur the lines between fiction and reality better than any pro wrestler or sports entertainer before him. It's the reason why Dan can allow himself to just enjoy it, and postulate on the story beats within the promo, while Pete is stuuck trying to understand why Punk doesn't feel like Punk.
The best description I ever heard, about professional wrestlers, was the idea that the best characters, are the real person turned up to 11. The "11" is the character portrayed on TV. The people behind the characters may have aspects of themselves within the characters, to varying degrees. A great example of this, is to compare The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and CM punk, to the real life people who portray these characters.
Remember: The on screen character is the "11."
Dwayne Johnson is probably a 6 or 7, dialed up 5 or 6 levels to become The Rock
Steve Williams is probably an 8 or 9, dialed up 3 or 4 levels to be Stone Cold.
Phil Brooks is probably a 10.5, dialed up .5 to become CM Punk.
Punk blurs the lines so much, it's hard for some people to distinguish the two, and in fairness, Phil Brooks' reality bleeds over into his character so much, it's understandable why people like Pete respond the way they do. Punk's character is so believable, people are convinced it's real....but it's not. It's a character.
That's a Cult of Personality. Listen to the song's lyrics. It explains everything. Pete stating he doesn't believe Punk (within the mic'd portion of the promo), then hearing the "un-mic'd" portion, and saying that's the real Punk, is like watching a fictional movie about making a movie, and when the in-movie director says 'cut', those are the real fictional characters....They're ALL fictional characters.
Phil Brooks, through is blurring the lines so well, has convinced you CM Punk is 100% who Phil is....
...in reality, that's only 97% true.
Remember an interview with Stone Cold’s ex-wife where she said he couldn’t tell where Steve ended and Stone Cold began.
Upon hearing Dan's take about the promo, I realised that when he says "I'm home" he probably does mean it
I saw a tweet that literally said like "if anyone is confused why Punk says he's home it's probably because they weren't in an abusive household"
And that's so true, BUT ALSO the WWE is a completely different company and that is somewhat down to the actions of Punk, its why Bryan won at WM30, Rollins at WM31, Styles and Ambrose, Kofi at WM35. It can all be linked back directly to the pipebomb
I’m really looking forward to see what wwe has in store for punk and who he will work with. We have a lot of dream feuds. What an exciting time to be a wrestling fan. Congratulations dan for retaining the title. Congratulations for being on RAW
The funniest part of all of this is everyone is feeling exactly how Punk wants them to. He has them where he wants you
Delusional
@@supermetroid009 people said the same thing when I said he was coming back at SS so..
@@SqueepsTheGodwe all couldve seen that coming a mile a way, he has nowhere else to go, WWE has no integrity, and now HHH's has his balls on his desk one fuck up and he's gone.
Loved what Pete said about Cody getting a bye into the Rumble having won it the previous year. I do agree and I also want qualifying matches too.
You're welcome I sent Triple H n CM Punk plus WWE a video with ur reaction in it among others. I'm hyped they used it
That promo truly felt like CM Punk sold his soul.
Look at the timeframe from London to Survivor Series: the standard 90 days [no-complete]. Is that not an indicator that a certain “door” is open (and is done so) hidden in plain sight?
Man I’m going to Elimination Chamber and Pete, you’ve made me more excited for it so thankyou!!!
is there a video of the compilation that involved wrestletalk
Cool seeing u guys on Raw, nice one
Good seeing u guys on raw
While I understand it, I don’t appreciate the negativity surrounding his return , I wish people would shut up, sit back and enjoy how good things are
I dunno if this is meant to be a long story, but the promo felt very phoney. It felt like a generic golly gee I'm happy to be back promo. Like if Chris Masters came back for example he'd give the same promo. Especially the WWE is my home line. Just some months ago he was taking shots at "his home".
I think for the most part I agree with Dan. I think this almost deluded convincing himself this was the right move after years of rallying against this is so interesting. And that last line gives the viewers at home a different perspective to the audience like an insider joke of what is to come.
Because in AEW 90% of punks promos was I’m here for the fans why would this be different?
He controversy in AEW was based around he’s a different person in front of the camera than behind it and that’s an interesting dynamic to slowly unravel to a heel turn.
I feel we didn’t need a story a promo was fine but maybe give the people that know punks story a little more a subtle dig at this is a different company, how the new management are friends of his and maybe a shot at Vince that is so subtle sponsors and wwe die hard fans didn’t even notice but we notice would make this promo electric
Like the lines in his aew promo he never directly called out wwe but we all know what he meant
Yes I’m intrigued!!! I get CM Punk I agree with the narrative!!
Part of me thinks given the timeframe from London to Survivor Series (aka the standard 90 days), a certain “door” is open (and is done so) while hidden in plain sight.
You're both right. I think if Triple H had a little bit more experience running things, he'd have the experience "as a DM", I think things would have worked out better about using Punk.
One thing that stands out for me in the promo is the sensation from the line "the voiceless have found their voice"...which makes sense for him to be back...we don't need THAT Cm Punk now, WWE doesn't need him aswell...but oh boy! we can make buissiness and enjoy ourselves in doing so. That's what I take from a mere part of it all. It was indeed a promo with various layers, but presented in a simple way. This is not your grandpa wrestling bussiness, anymore. And it's very cool.
One thing I could put my money on: there is a WWE BCMPunk, there will it be a WWE ACMPunk, from now on
Punk promo came off as insanely fake. He basically just copied what Triple H said in the press conference. If that's the point and apart of the story sure but if they are playing this seriously, which with WWE you never know, this is very cringe. Only genuine moment was the bit at the end.
I just realised after WM 40 we could have Punk and Cody as the two world champion in WWE. Imagine saying that to someone just two years ago.
**posted before watching the live stream**
My fantasy booking:
Punk vs Seth at RR (Priest steals/wins the title on cash-in). With Cody winning the RR match.
Cody challenges Roman and Punk wins elimination chamber to face Priest at WM.
WM is loaded: Cody finishes the story and Punk overcomes the entire JD to beat Priest. Gunther vs Brock, LA Knight vs Logan Paul, Jey vs Jimmy, Becky vs Ripley, Belair vs Jade.
Post WM Punk and have programs with Gunther, Drew, Brock, maybe SNak. (In whatever order) leading to a Seth return.
Only problem is what Cody does post WM- I guess there’s Solo and maybe Logan Paul. Other than that someone needs to turn like KO or AJ
People are really conditioned to not expect good wrestling on a WWE show its crazy lmao
Wrestletalk on Raw was awesome 😂
It’s classic WWE to give you something at a PPV and then leave you hanging until the end of RAW only to be left with more questions than answers.
If a storyline could naturally take a year they’ll make it take 3…
There’s also the fact that they don’t know what to do with him yet, signed him for the merch and tv deals so it will take a while for him to settle in, I just hope they do something like he calls out Seth and then Seth says no, and Adam Pearce says you need to work your way up you don’t just get a title shot straight away.. then he goes on a tear and bothering Seth for a few months so they get a match maybe at rumble and a rematch at mania.
I do not want him winning the rumble - that’s too lazy
Punk is 'Home', Daddy's back... Now looking forward to the Tribal Chief retaining at WM40.
I liked punk promo it made me more interested on whats next. I didnt need noone coming out to start a rivaly
Lol, Luke and Oli: “it should have been me.”
That promo said everything about Punk's character. He cut a scripted promo basically saying he's a company guy (proof that Rollins's hypocrite statement is true) and showing that he's a heel now. That last line when he was then speaking as himself and not "on the mic and scripted" he blatantly told us that he's here for the money. He's a corporate sellout heel and it was genius.
Doubt a word of it was scripted.
100% agree with Peta that WWE had chance to gain some fans cause a lot of people would've tuned in the show this week only for Punk, including myself. But since they didn't give them much to care about (not only from Punk cause apart from couple of things, the rest of the show was easily skippable. And then too, one of the good thing was McIntyre's work, which you don't enjoy if you ain't updated with the product regularly), they won't come back next week. I see myself in those fans too. I watched first RAW in months, and apart from Orton & Punk on it, everything seems absolutely the same as it was months ago.
I hope that after the segment with R-truth and the judgement day, we just see Truth believe he's a member of the judgement day (maybe using old WWE payperview names or just constantly getting their group name wrong)
And for their big group entrance, R-truth could show up behind them dressed as a vampire.
WrestleTalk was shown on raw that was so awesome 💯😎
When which segments?
Dan talking a lot of sense today
47:28 Seth loses the belt to punk at Royal Rumble, Seth wins money in the bank in February. . . WAITS until Cody beats Roman, cashes in and WINS the universal title, Being the FIRST to hold both titles in the same year, within 6 months.
So when I was watching the Pay-Per-View and Randy Orton return when he hit the RKO it seemed like he landed on his side and very quickly rolled across his back like a Ric Flair would land on his side because of his back issues so maybe he'll be okay...
One flaw I see with Dan's idea is that the story paints WWE as the villain. No matter how you may feel about the company itself IRL, in *kayfabe* they're a face company. They listen to the fans, thwart cheating heels, storyline morale is up, etc. With Dan's story, it's just turning them back into a heel Authority if it's about Punk being an unwilling cog in the corporate machine.
AEW made the mistake by painting themselves as a heel company even though at the time they were the megafaces
squeezing in that "I'm not here to make friends I'm here to make money" right before USA switched to Barmegeddon felt on purpose.
I would also like punk to show up on smackdown and say interrupt a Paul heyman promo. Keep fans guessing over where he goes.
McIntyre's obsession with Jey is misguided as it was Solo who cost him!
This whole comment section is the perfect set of the IWC. Passionate lovers and haters, Hateful people not looking to see a different perspective, curious thinkers, complainers about the channel, someone or two bashing one of the gentlemen, and someone criticizing the IWC because they’re annoying (HI) and someone looking in the mirror because they’re a part of this too (HI)
I was expecting more from the cm punk promo on raw tbj
Didn't Punk when he was in AEW say ROH was like his home. AEW was his place. He was the one running the show, He gets fired goes back to WWE. I'm Home. He is such a player. He knows how to play the crowd. He didn't want to come back to WWE until he had nowhere else to go. Now he is back and I don't want the ending we are getting. I don't like Cody, but Punk is toxic. He is going to try and weasel his way into Wrestlemania main event and push Gunther out of HIS main event. Just like Cena Rock that he still whines about.
CM Punk literally told you before he started the promo "This isn't going to be the type of stuff you'd usually hear me say". He told you from the get go that it wouldn't be a typical CM Punk promo - it would be something different.
"He sounded fake and manufactured."
Almost as if that was by design? You can't genuinely sit there and tell me WWE were trying to make him come across as a sympathetic babyface from that promo. The whole thing screamed "insincere and conceited". They're leaning into him being a hypocritical jackass, hell, they even had Seth Rollins call him a hypocrite earlier in the night.
It's obvious where they're going with this: they're having Punk become everything that he once hated, the part time veteran who's only in it for the money, and once they have Rollins confront him about that, you'll get "scorched Earth" CM Punk back.
This is Triple H's booking. The payoff is usually amazing but the build to it can be really slow. Let it cook.
No matter what WWE does dan will say it wasn't good enough for him what makes you so special that everything they do u hate on dude lol . Just enjoy it it's actually quality now and u still complain.
I find it hilarious that so many youtube wrestling channels (not you guys i loved Pete and Dans analysis) all speak about wanting long term booking but have no patience to see where things go.
It reminds me of when i went to see Paranormal Activity and i heard a moron behind me say "this is boring i just want hell to come through the screen"
This was a promo, not a pipebomb. Huge down from survivor and I feel that triple h has chucked him in and now is frantically dealing with the fallout.
I feel like punks promo was a shoot/work promo that allowed him to genuinely express joy at being back, but also set up his imminent heel turn.
It was the calm before the storm… he’s going to be the top heel in the company within a year. He’s going to essentially be the new vince
I feel like it was the beginning of a long con by punk
When you look at the timeframe from London to Survivor Series it’s the standard 90 days [no-complete]. To me, it’s an indicator we’re witnessing the “forbidden door” being open (and done so) while hidden in plain sight.
I'm still surprised they made a show just for him to headline only to get let go for backstage drama lol
Heres the thing, 9 years ago, WWE were the bad guy in the CM Punk and Wrestling story. Today, its almost a no lose situation for them. If it goes well, then all that bad history is firmly laid at the feet of Vince and the old guard. HHH has truly changed WWE and can manage top stars, as a former Wrestler, better than the rich fan with a reputation of playing with his action figures. If it goes badly, well Punks the problem isnt he, thats how it will come across, Issues within AEW, issues within WWE. I'm not suggesting this is bury them from within, but Punk's shadow has loomed over WWE for nearly a decade. Unless they royally fuck this up, I just cant see anything other than them coming out of this better than they looked before it. It may well become, that CM Punk going too, and fucking up in AEW is the best thing that has ever happened to WWE.
I agree with Pete promo was honestly underwhelming
Punks heel turn can take 2 directions that will ultimately lead to same road, he is a heel akin to a corporate sellout betraying everyone who believed in him or heel who who believes he’s the reason why “Indy darlings” have made it in main stream wrestling.
In all seriousness I'm most worried about Punk's health. He was hurt a big chunk of his time in AEW.
Very different wrestling styles, WWE is much more toned down compared to AEW
@@sportshenry198didn't he break his foot jumping into the crowd?
@@Kr4ShSkeL He wouldn't do a Buckshot Lariat and bleed in WWE now wouldn't he??
I dont understand why Pete is complaining so much. This isnt the one and only episode of RAW its a weekly TV. Why everything has to be immeditaley.... its a big deal Punk is back in WWE so if you say fans who tuned in today it was a missed opportunity well No... if you are a real Fan you will get it... the promo was fine not great but its a story that needs to playout... so much of complaint on just one episode.
Punk will have time to do plenty more promos
💯 agree! Back during the Attitude Era, the dirt sheets didn’t matter as much to a majority of the fans nor did the commentary of other bystanders. We just tuned in every week desperate to find out what was said next!
While I do love wrestling podcasts, there’s a reason I tend to avoid them and it’s no different today than it was during the Attitude Era when I avoided the dirt sheets: wrestling fans will always p*ss off other wrestling fans when they share their opinions.
The secret to remaining excited about the current wrestling storyline: do not talk about it online. You will not find the instant gratification you seek.
I’m so excited to see where CM Punk does next. I like to see him have a segment with Paul Heyman given their history. There’s a possibility that his wife AJ Lee will come back eventually too. With the women’s division being where it is right now, she can finish her story too.😊👊🏾🤍
It's only been acouple of days.... patience
I’m sorry but there’s no way you can figure out a good long term plan/story in a day 😂
I think most of his promo was disingenuous and I think was by design. He said ppl loved him backstage when we all know it's not the case. He's home. "He's changed" i think he's gonna be a heel.
Primetime Pete Quinnell.
Also, PepsiChats now that Punk is back.
There is an intense wall between what WWE and AEW hold in terms of what they want to produce. Don’t get me wrong, as a hardcore wrestling fan, I would love to watch Punk discuss being fired and being the anti and his time in AEW, y’all forget something. Casual WWE fans do not give an f word about that stuff.
AEW can do those explosive promos breaking the 4th wall and everything because their fan base is more traditionally hardcore. WWE has never really been in the business of pleasing the 4th wall breakage, even during the Helmsley Era. And that speaks to a real thing people should realize: Punk can’t be Punk anymore.
What made Punk interesting then? He was anti company of a company that was actually bad under the Vince regime. Now, he can’t do that. WWE will always cater to their deals and their casuals, we will always be second. While I want to be proven wrong, I don’t have my hopes up.
Punk will be interesting, and I’m along for the ride.
Stand aside corporate Kane. Here comes Corporate Management Phil
there sure will be anothrer punk promo on Smackdown, let's see how that plays out...
PG Punk said, "I love you guys, I'm home". I rolled my eyes so hard, they got stuck!
My least favorite version of Orton is "shake my hand" Orton lol
Jelly Roll is Awesome, don't Hate lol...God Bless
“CM PUNK” chants are overrated, we need a “PETE AND DAN” chant
I tuned into raw for the first time in 4 years for punk and I will never do that again, raw is just painful to watch. You would think since everyone is tuning in for punk you would think they would step it up.
Nia comes out, Cm Punk reactions, JD & R-Truth, Zoey Starks comes out. Who the f*** writes this show?
Will he get his cm punk ice cream bars 😂
Half the show is a review or Raw and the other half is Dan fantasy booking
I really love the story dan is weaving, I just don't think that's the story that's actually being told. I genuinely hope this is something better than what I expect I'm just worried it's not.
I really want CM Punk to form a tag team with R-Truth, Called, "True Punks". They stay in the tag division with a 50/50 win loss record. Until CM Punk leaves again.
Punk and Truth feud over 24/7 belt
Alpha Chats or CM DMs work, but what about Go 2 Speech?
After all this buzz about Pepsi Phill's return and Pete & Dan to RAW confirmed, could anyone tell me something that really matters.. Who's The JamThat Jampion post Survivor Series?
MM: Dan retained.
I’d like to see Becky vs. Rhea main event Night 1.
if pete thinks punk saying he is home is disingenuous, why is that a bad thing? lmao.pretty clearly a point.
@kenshiro1075 said it best, and I advise everyone to actually go watch the promo again.. its heelish AF the "ive changed" before I'm home is what you should be creating a whole head canon around.. the "i love you guys" before the nod to heyman should make it clear too but no,
yall are far too invested in your own created narrative(s) since the buzz of the Maybe return and so anything that isnt what you envisioned will of course be meh/mid in comparison
Dan I love you bro, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if you need this much head cannon to make something work, it doesnt work for most people. I'm glad it works for you, but for most other people it seemed like a real flat 5 minutes.
Instead of Omegachats, 'Oh Mami' chats? 'The Chat is Sacred' chats? Pipechats?