Forestry Part 2 Passed, and I'm Disappointed | Ramble 172
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Half the content they're adding to Forestry should have been added into Hunter. Why are we making Bird Costumes and catching Pheasants and getting Fox Whistles or whatever. This shit has absolutely nothing to do with Woodcutting.
well before forestry, nothing had to do with wc!
yeah even though id like a fox pet mog, i voted note no because it should come from hunter lol
@@gardmyhr6121that's a really dumb comment considering there are two production skills that rely almost entirely on woodcutting for every piece of content in those skills. You people really shouldn't be voting
@@janitorizamped xD, yheaa so woodcutting is logs and not cutting trees? Why would anyone cut magic trees yew trees, redwood, mahagony trees when you can just go to wilderness bosses and get millions
@@janitorizamped your dumb if you think wc is a production skills nowdays
Every single sae bae video or podcast, he has to say Toontown :)
Interesting
its funny because it's like "nooo our silly childrens mmo is similar to this other silly childrens mmo >:("
@zachdoesdev2002 Yeah, I never really get why he has brought up toontown in literally every single video or sae bae cast of the past few months... sure we're all in our late 20s/early 30s now, but at the end of the day it's still a medieval point and click mmo with "toontowny" graphics lol..
have no idea what toontown even is
I am one of the people that agrees with you, changed respawns, community aspect and balancing. Period. Done.
devs are reading too much Reddit for ideas
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Eoc for woodcutting 🤢
Evolution of Chopping 💀
if it aint broken, jagex will fix it untill it is.
Worth noting, "Part 2" was not really polled. The poll only included Campfires for Firemaking (no teas or buffs), a few cosmetic rewards from events, and 2 new shop rewards (Sawmill Vouchers and the Bird Nest Gloves). All the new part 2 events were not polled recently; all the forestry events were polled back in March (Question 8 with 92% Yes) and some were delayed from part 1. Same for 2H Axes, already polled back in March (Question 16 with 88% pass rate). So the "Forestry: Part Two" poll really isn't responsible for most of the part 2 update.
Personally not to thrilled the beaver is getting 2 transmog in addition to the funky log all from the same content, but otherwise I find all these rewards to be harmless, at least with how they were pitched. The biggest change is the AFK Firemaking, but it is half the exp and Wintertodt already "ruined" that skill 50+ anyway so it just gives players a slower option to reach 50 or more of a reason to buy and burn logs post-50, which could help log prices a tad.
For the forestry events, in concept I think they are fine but haven't done enough or seen enough of the execution to really judge em. I think the problem is that they may be too common and a bit too generous with exp. But I do think having an opt-in way to make AFK trees more involved and varied for a bit better exp is not a terrible concept so hopefully the part 2 events will go towards fixing the issues of part 1 rather than amplifying them. Not a huge fan of the 2h axes using run though and wish they were just a X% chance to cut an extra log for no additional exp, but I believe there will be a beta of them so maybe that can still change.
Good takes here. Fox transmog could've been a thieving pet or to do with hunter. I love the pet and am happy, but not happy with the way it's added. The reward space needs streamlined, the XP rates need to be reduced, otherwise I'm chill with it. I don't think we should forestry ize other lacking content, but engaging skilling content would be welcome.
Can not convince me that people actually read what they're voting for in this game.
30% of the player base doesn't speak English
Im so damn glad you put these on spotify. Just recently found you. Im a trucker so i cant use youtube while driving. Finished all the rambles in like a week and on to the pod cast.
I wanna see you stream Toon Town now
Forestry sucks. They missed the mark. Just give us woodcutting with friends with CHILL events. I don’t want to 1 tick the bee/molch event. I don’t have to engage in the content is a terrible excuse for poor game design.
Ironically RS3's also had a woodcutting update this year (the woodcutter's grove) which came with a bunch of balancing changes and honestly feels a lot closer to what would be good for OSRS.
I love forestry it makes wc more interesting and more interactive. If its still cutting logs and trading for rewards whats the difference between wc and getting leaves and trading for rewards instead of logs? It will be hard to trade logs for rewards as we saw with all the botting and the amount of logs already in the game. You are not forced to do the new forestry updates you can still wc by urself. I would love to see the game advance and change because as we all know without new content the game will get stale and die off.
if i could rework forestry i would remove all events. I would keep the tree respawn and each tree gives passive leaves as you cut. the more people on the tree the more leaves you get per hour. you use the fully tradeable leaves as currency to buy items from the shop OR you can burn them in fires as a bondfire like thing. it burns ~10 leaves at a time for about half the exp of their respective logs
Ah yes a small xp boost and the boring ass skill remains a boring ass skill. What an amazing update.
Thats just a nothing update. I think Sae really doesn't understand this. "make the update just make nodes not care about people on them / buff you while doing it" is just "hey guys our woodcutting update is here: its nothing!".
What would that change? I'd go from AFK'ing trees in the woodcutting guild to..... afk'ing trees in the woodcutting guild on a specific world because more people = better. Thats not new content. I'd be fine if that was a "node update" to all nodes, mining, fishing, woodcutting etc. But as a piece of skilling content? That isn't.
i personally dont want forestry. it just boosts exp and doenst feel like wc. so scrap the word forestry and just make it a QoL wc update and done@@VallianceRS
Casuals control "easy scape" this will never change.
I am logging off to go play Roblox.
making every skill forestry could definitly ruin the game but i'm surprised no one is talking about the core issue in all of this. why weren't the requirements to vote in polls increased when they reduced the threshold for polls to pass to 70%. with the current requirements to be able to poll those reddit andies barely even played the game and have no idea what there talking about.
convinced the people blaming / complaining about reddit don't use it. the general sentiment in the reddit was negative towards this poll. This is just a "casual friendly" update so the silent majority decided it clearly.
I don't like where forestry is headed. I just hope the rest of the skills will not follow the same trend.
The issue with Forestry is the same issue that's ruining pve for some people, what runescape 3 gave up trying to solve, and has terrible influence on the younger generations in real life. It's not about the content itself, but how the entertainment industry in their fight for control over the attention economy is consistently removing the natural downsides that we are supposed to experience with the upsides. So relatively speaking, our baseline of what we find pleasurable goes up and up and up, resulting in us not only not finding normal things pleasurable enough, but also needing more and more stimulation to find something pleasurable. The situation is a "candybar phenomenon". You give a kid 1 candybar and he says, "Wow, thanks you're super awesome!" You give him a 2 candybars and he says, "Awesome! You're my best friend!" Then you give him 1 candybar and he wonders, "Wait a second, but you just gave me 2 candybars, and now I only get 1?" Obviously he liked receiving just 1 candybar 10 seconds earlier, but now he sounds disappointed to receive it. So what changed? It's because by giving 2 candybars you increase the baseline to (1+2)/2 = 1.5, and so giving just 1 candybar now becomes lower than the baseline, hence the disappointment.
You make gimmicky slayer bosses and you're super awesome because they're better than giant mole, kq, and dks. Then you make cox, tob, and inferno and you're the best game developers alive. But then you make toa and a quest with 4 bosses, 4 awakened variants, 4 bis rings, virtus, blood torva, 4 ancient sceptre upgrades, 4 pets, huge lore implications, and..... it's not enough for some people because cox, tob, and inferno increased the baseline for pleasure so high that toa and dt2, despite being massive great updates that loads of other people enjoy, don't meet their baseline. Same with runescape 3. They basically threw in the towel and made everything 300k+ xp/hr and 20m+ gp/hr which makes everything extremely pleasurable, and so no matter how how high the baseline goes, it's always going to be met. In real life, boomers started with cut and dry newspapers, and now they have whatever fox news is. Zoomers started with facebook and minecraft, and now they have tiktok and fortnite. Old school runescape started with 20 minute 3k xp quests and green dragons, and now every update is a 100k+ xp grandmaster quest, a 3m+ gp/hr boss, or meta skilling method.
But the point is you don't need to never eat a cookie again, start taking cold showers every morning, and start training for ultra-marathons like jake on the bro-school podcast says. The point is that tomorrow eat vegetables instead of having another cookie, read a book before or after playing video games, go take a walk after staying inside, because if you balance the highs with lows, eventually the baseline for pleasure goes back to normal. So sure, go ahead and add forestry, add blue inferno, add whatever, but balance it out with the lows as well. By experiencing the lows and bringing the baseline back to normal, it will make the highs relatively higher and the lows relatively not as low, meaning you can enjoy the whole game instead of only the parts where you go "clicky clicky clicky".
Updates like this will kill the game.
I mean the fact that the best training method is to just chop and drop is a problem but the events weren't the answer
Voted no to everything on this poll except one option(sawmill vouchers). normally I'm a yes vote gamer but yeah the toon town is too much for 1 skill lol
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I fully agree. Respawn changes and the little buff when you chop with friends is awesome realy hate everything els. Love how you call everything Toontown now i can not see it as Toontown anymore lmao
That room is fire
Woodcutting contracts a good idea?
Teas, weren't a part of this poll. I think the main addition in summary was bonfires, more events, and 2H axes. I think it just makes the items/reward space more confusing and convoluted. Definitely needs some streamlining.
Completely agree xp rates should be balanced. Willow trees and iron ore being top tier xp rates is so dumb.
Picking up piles of poop for xp is totally fine... cant wait for rocks to get covered in poop, fish covered in poop, heck sailing could have dragons fly over dropping poop on your boat. All of which give BIG xp. I see nothing wrong with this? 🙃
I'm in favor of polls existing, but it seems like people are too inclined to vote yes to nearly everything because they think "more content = good" is the only thing that matters. Even if more content is good, there's limited development time and resources to put into the game and i don't feel like this is something we need to dedicate months of dev time to. The level scaling and social aspect was likely the simplest part of the update and was the only part that was necessary to revitalize the skill and make people enjoy it.
hope youre staying cool in OR this week, great ramble as always. idk how we go from DT2 and the great content from that to rewarding players for running through rainbows, disappointing that people 'wanted' this update but oh well
Osrs has begun going down hill and we are all aware of it :(
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What a lot of people don't get is the game doesn't have to stay old forever. It's based on an older version initially, that's why it's called Old School. But that doesn't mean it can't evolve into its own thing, which it has. They need to rework the game to retain players and bring more players in, because at the end of the day a game is just a business. Reworks aren't so bad when they're for things so outdated. Woodcutting was basically the same for 20 years, and the rework won't make the skill any worse to the majority of players. If anything, it makes the skill more entertaining to train. Most people didn't really like clicking a tree every 30 seconds and that being the whole skill, and even more people don't like tick manipulating to skill. So this was a good middle ground. Tbh hunter also does need a bit more because the main options atm are catching chins and salamanders until they get to herbiboar. They could buff falconry or something to make that a bit better too. Or even make implings in puro puro give decent xp.
Pretty upsetting because rs3 literally just did a tree xp overhaul for the higher tier trees, and theyre actually worth doing now. Osrs gets stuck with the most unnecessary fortnite slop update in its place.
Said from the beginning this was going to be a horrible so unfortunate the way this games going
totally agree with everything you said this vid
Nice
I’m disappointed as well. Voted no to everything on 5 accounts. The complexity of forestry part 2 is just obscure and unnecessary. I don‘t like the implications this has on other skills. Feels like a slippery slope to RS3 obscurity.
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The skills are recognizable still. There SHOULD be a method between AFK and Tick manipulation rates where a user can pay SOME attention and get rates better than afk but less than full focus. Forestry adds a 3rd option which is definitely healthy for the game and many other skills; not just woodcutting... It doesn't break the game at all and at least now when I woodcut, I can actually talk to someone since 99% of the player base isn't afking anymore. The best social update that I have seen, and I try my best to remain unbiased. It makes no sense at all to say that JUST the xp rates should of been updated between the trees and calling that forestry. This was meant to be a healthy overhaul that looks into the entirety of the skill and that includes social behavior. The random events that happen force us to communicate which keeps dialog flowing; you remove this, you remove social aspect. Changing yews from 35k xp afk to 60k xp to "fix" the skill is NOT it...
True and real. It's somewhat frustrating to see these comments where all the people in favor of forestry are willing to give actual feedback and explain their reasoning, and the people who are against it only are saying " forestry bad".
@@canderos1111yeah but sulliusceps arent completely braindead afk, they want near 2t teak rates with absolutely 0 thought or effort
I don't see how fertilizing a sapling or pointing flowers are recognizable as woodcutting. That seems like you're intentionally glossing over that part to support your argument better, but I'd be happy to see you try to convince me otherwise.
i used to like wintertodt until i realised how shit it was. this is the same scenario
@@janitorizamped To be honest, it doesn't matter at all if it's a sapling or you're shooting a certain color basketball into a hoop where you have to work with a team to find what color to shoot... The MAIN importance is socializing and working together with others to solve a problem. The puzzles preferably should make sense but the XP rates in terms of attention required is 99% of what the focus should be. The attention is more than AFK and less than tick manipulation so the XP should be somewhere in-between. That's all that really matters; the rest is just for decoration...
Unique pets being from specific events from a specific method in a specific skill is meh.
Cosmetic gear is fine, i couldnt care either way.
The new events add variety to the method for woodcutting, which is good and what we voted for originally. Forestry as it is is a net positive to woodcutting. It makes chopping trees together not a negative, which is a win. Events add variety to the skill but aren't required. EHP is still Teaks. Redwoods AFK is still ridiculously strong. The 2H Axe buffs this for mains but isn't worth the time for irons.
I don't agree with your constant take of Forestry being bad. I think its overall good. Its far better than traditional WC and has absolutely helped it. The idea of nodes not encouraging people to COMPETE with eachother in designated skilling spots is good, it encourages socialising in an MMO. I don't think everything needs "timed events" as a solution. Thats left to its own method in Forestry and shouldn't just be cloned to other skills. I'd rather we just make nodes work like this, and then add NEW methods through platforms like Sailing.
Reward shop is fine but what I hated about this 2nd part is they sort of seemed to.. ignore the reward shop? Wtf is my bark for? I've finished the shop, and now Part 2 is.. unique cosmetics from specific events? I feel this is just gonna be a Stale Baguette 2.0, where its "only 1/64 so its common" but being behind a 1/8 event roll makes it wayyy too rare for what it is. I feel they only did this so people that have already done Forestry can't just buy the new rewards day 1 and not return to the method to generate hype around it.
I think you're looking at the events as "its not woodcutting". But it is, its a METHOD of woodcutting. Is killing a snow element firemaking? No, its a skilling BOSS that uses those skills. Its fine to have variety for these skills. I don't think its "toon town" to have methods in skills not adhere strictly to their basic identity, and Forestry is probably their BEST effort at keeping something "oldschool" while adding new things to it. The idea of chopping yews and willows and magics with a crowd of people is the MOST oldschool experience ive had, and the events just added something more interesting than AFK chop to that. I wish more of the events encouraged working as a group to figure out solutions and share them, like the Sapling. This really encouraged talking in Public chat.
I dont enjoy the events or think they look like old school when theyre happening around me. Ill cut at the wc guild.. hate to get all slippery slope but i think they fucked up here and likely will continue down this path dor the "good of the game" which is very rs3 of them.
Did they hide the poll? I totally missed it.
Not really stoked to hear this but it's nice to see that reddit is alive and well
I also loved the 'Mighty Trees' idea, really disappointed that it was scrapped.
Based take from Sae Bae :) My take on forestry is just let them cook. We will have to see how it plays out with part 2 and in the beta, but i'm happy to just sit back and let the game developers develop the game. You made some fair points, but I don't think logs as a currency would have worked out unless they were say anima logs that were a rare chance when cutting. Only difference there from how it is now that they wouldn't be stackable, which I guess could work okay. Otherwise there are already billions of logs in the game for mains and i just don't think that would work out as a currency. I do hope they refine the pool of woodcutting events. We will have to see when its in game how it feels, but honestly there are just bigger fish to fry. I'm not too concerned about skilling updates so long as they dont get out of hand with exp rates. If the update is fun for new players then thats a win.
Bold of you to assume part 2 will have a beta!
they said it would in the news post today haha so I hope so@@d3dhook
I agree with you. I voted yes on most of the pt 1 poll but voted no to everything on pt 2.
The reason I wanted Forestry is because you basically have one option afk until you level, you're not even playing the game. And no one likes 1ticking teaks (imo).
Mining/Fishing/Smithing/Runecrafting/Hunter/etc. are all fine they have minigames and variety that are way better than standing at a tree mindlessly chopping away. Woodcutting was the worst skill (imo), I don't find afking looking at the screen every 3minutes to click once is playing the game, atleast with forestry you can actually interact more with the community and surrounding areas.
Let's be honest most skills are absolutely dead content. They needs some pretty radical reworks to make them worth your time and engaging
They could’ve made Forestry better by adding charges to everyone’s Axe. Charges solve everything.
Teas are in?
I can't see that being anything but a pointless hassle. We saw in RS3 that juggling buffs is the height of tedium, and I can't see this as being any different than jujus. Having to periodically drop what you're doing to make more tea, all while managing already limited inventory, it just doesn't sound fun.
forestry sucks and what's worse is this update was 8 months in the making, it really sets poor expectations for me and osrs going forward. there's something wrong with the new polling system, where they sell an idea for an update during the "greenlight" phase and the further we get into development it actually ends up sucking ass, and we waste a bunch of time and get a crappy update like foresty. on the flip side we'll likely get an amazing update like sailing (fingers crossed)
Was shocked to see every single poll had passed lol ffs
Im happy about the fox pet and indifferent on the rest. The events of P1 were lame to me and i dont plan to participate in P2 beyond re green logging the col log but that doesnt bother me much. Its not something i feel obligated to partake in so i dont oppose its existence, just isnt for me.
Its not something id want to see for the other skills but so long as i feel its ignorable like i feel for forestry i dont mind having it for the majority that evidently enjoyed it.
honestly i think they just need to add charges to the axes that would probably fix it. - just poking fun lol does feel like there are a ton of events at this point
Yea most of these forestry additions and events feel really... odd. Definitely out of place. Feels really "kiddie" and ad-hoc.
“That would’ve passed”
so did this
I can see your point in stressing about other skills being changed up, but I don’t really see that as a bad thing. You’re someone who is wanting a damn tool belt in osrs, so I’m not sure what direction you truely want it to go in. The best for the mental is look at the positive on whatever comes
Rare sae bae agenda moment does not pass. Mission failed, we’ll get em next time
Did you do any forestry with friends?
I'm wondering what percentage of you doing your rants is because you know that the Jmods listen to your rants and this may influence their thoughts.
remove the polling system unironically
I do not like it. They just needed to fix the trees so it didn't punish people for chopping the same tree. boom. that's it. call it a day. Why did they go so far? smh
When gim hiscores tho.
Star mining should be like forestry tho. No reason to punish people for starmining with others. That should be social and xp rates are not great anyway.
Forestry feels meh. I hope they don't do this again with another skill because it didn't really hit the mark but I do like some of the aspects like trees lasting longer, able to chop with others without feeling penalized but for the most part, feels meh.
Think the problem with skilling is it’s so boring and doesn’t bring in gp in. And everybody wants to max.
I agree with everything except when u bring up mining 😭 worst skill
I really don't understand what all the fuss is over hating forestry. It being added doesn't remove all existing training methods, it just adds alternatives. If you don't like the events, you can woodcut normally and still benefit from the new group cutting + updated respawn timers.
Also, a lot of the really game-breaking stuff from forestry was already cut before polls. Teas and tertiary effects were completely cut due to community feedback. I don't know how people missed that fact.
Gate keeping
Based take
Doesn't feel oldschool, overshadows other methods like sulliceps
@@andrewprahst2529 Overshadows other methods like sulliceps..? What does that even mean lol. You can still do sulliceps if you want to how are they over shadowed?
Also " Doesn't feel oldschool" isn't a reason. That's completely subjective. Obviously most people feel like it does feel oldschool that's why they voted to add it and it passed the poll.
@@andrewadams530because theyre less xp for more effort lol
Teas were removed from the poll
Jagex's changing to polling made things more all or nothing, they did this to make it easier to make content to pass and now we get stuff like this. Glad I voted no.
Tbh they probably could have just made the events much less frequent and/or lower xp and everyone would have been happy. A little late to do that now though since nerfs are wildly unpopular
After forestry, gotr, giant's foundry, and tempoross, I think the best thing that could happen to this game would be sailing passing and having a similar to effect to eoc. Maybe then there would be enough desire to get an actual oldschool version of the game that never gets updated =)
That would be a completely dead game and you know it. OSRS nearly died within a year because of so much fear to add or change content. That is not a game, that's a sad attempt at trying to retain the magic you held in your childhood of playing 2005-2008scape.
Sweet! Excited to see the Forestry expansion as Forestry is currently the only thing I'm logging** on for, hoping to see other skills become like Forestry a fun community experience to level up!!
who?
@@Music-gw4qfwho asked
@@branm9926 Sick gate keeping of other people that have differing opinions from your own. It's really interesting to see the community providing intelligent, insightful feedback on why they think this is a bad update instead of the normal response of neckbeards crying into the wind because the game changed. Refreshing
@@andrewadams530OP didn't provide any sort of insightful feedback. Idk why you would expect that from people responding to him. It's like you're looking for an excuse to be toxic.
I just want Jagex to fix the god damn Forestry basket. This is the fully upgraded Forestry kit, with the log basket attached.
If you wanna deposit your logs in the bank, you click "Use" in the bank interface. However this deposits all of your leaves as well, not just your logs.
Then if you want to put your leaves back into the Forestry basket since they are taking up like 6 bank slots, you need to take them out one inventory at a time and click Fill. Seriously. What the fuck is that. Either make leaves stackable, or allow players to put noted leaves in. Its pure insanity to make us put them in one inventory at a time.
Someone please tell me they know a way to put them all in at once
If the kit is completely empty and you press use in your bank interface it will just pull all of the leaves put of your bank and into the kit, also if there is logs inside and you press use once it will only deposit the logs, not the leaves. This is how it works when its just on your inventory. Could be different when you have it equiped idk.
@@thibaut3695 it deposits logs and leaves when you click Use from inventory. You cant click Use when equipped.
But thank you so much for telling me how to withdraw them all at once. Legend!
Clicking use does not deposit logs AND leaves. It deposits logs if there is logs. If there is no logs it will do leaves. If you click it a second time after logs, it will do leaves. The main annoyance is that equipping it isn't benefitial because you have to unequip it to empty it anyway. Same issue Fish Sack + Barrel has.
@@VallianceRS there should be another deposit option in the bank UI like 'Deposit cape storage item' or whatever
Do you think that the mods are too influenced by the voices of twitter/reddit? At this point in the game I feel like the polling system is irrelevant and used for the wrong reasons (micro changes, common sense changes, etc.). I think the way they broadcasted Forestry was misleading and got a lot of hopes up when it finally released. WCing is a great skill post 90, but this update really makes it feel like they polished a turd.
I think the overall goal for minigames like this is to attract new players to the game and not feel like the game is a time sink, but in reality it is. I'm nearing max on my ironman and thats over 200 days played. Granted, not everyone wants to max an account, but it is a great goal. So could you imagine pitching this game to a friend that has never invested any time in it, not even in the miniclip days in computer class and say "Hey there is this game I play, but in order to do anything fun you have to sink about 100-150 hours into it". Now I'm not saying that this needs to be a private server and you can max within a few days, but jeez... It wouldn't kill the game to have multiple types of xp rates -- Have an afk method where it averages 60-70k per hour and an active rate where you can manage 120-150k an hour. Not every skill needs to be a time sink or should you have to tick manipulate to get to those rates. This is also just my opinion, obviously there is a method to the madness and a lot of the mechanics have anti-cheat thoughts behind it, but it would just be nice if things were just a little bit faster.
you just sound burnt out man
I voted no.
An argument I hear all the time is "keep it old school". My question would be what does this actually mean? and not in this specific scenario but as a broad term as it is used as an argument for a broad spectrum of updates and issues.
For me it’s “don’t fuck with the basic mechanics”. So don’t change the combat system, skilling mechanics, etc. Dramatically changing the game’s core fundamentals is what killed the first iteration of RuneScape.
That said, the new woodcutting mechanics aren’t bad, I just don’t want xp rates to be too overpowered vs the tick manipulation methodw
trees are now a minigame. is that oldschool?
this is changing the core part of the game into something it isnt. completely making woodcutting unrecognizeable with fortnite skinned events
keep it oldschool is literally what we had day one of release. anything that changes it to something foreign is not keeping it oldschool
Keep it old school means don't change the core elements of the game.
I wish Jagex would just drop the whole polling system at this point. I want them to have a direction of where they want the game to go and make updates to get there. Just work on them, drop some teasers here and there MAYBE and then just drop the update when it's done.
Players have a good view on what they think is wrong with a game, but generally have a terrible view on how to fix those things.
Delete events
I think your wrong that forestry pt1 was terrible it allows a new kind of afk woodcutting that was fun. But i think pt2 was not needed, my biggest issue is that the new pets are actually cosmetics for the beaver and not there own foresty pet with 2 skins.
Forestry is not afk, your opinion is actually wrong since it's based on false axioms.
literally the opposite of afk LOL@@janitorizamped
Well I don't know what game you are playing but I said new kind of afk, and forestry now adds a method that is afk then active play repeat. It's a great balance between the two. Just because you want more active gameplay doesn't make this update bad.
@@Reester11 I didn't say I want more active gameplay. I said that forestry is not afk. Like you just said, it's afk until it's not. That's straight up not afk. It's burst intensity, it's not as intense as 1.5t. But it's not afk by anyone's standards
They rebalanced it already, magics are good now
Love the vids but hate Jagex. Ruining the game smh
The teas are terrible, rly hope they scrap them
Maybe I don’t get it, but aren’t the plank vouchers going to kill money-makers like casting plank make?
foresty is not fun, kinda sad this came out cause I gotta green log it :/
I agree with Sae Bae, but you don't have to green log it. Like you literally don't, sorry but that's just your autism talking XD
i really like forestry, i'm not good enough/it's too hard for me to 3/2/1.5 tick anything for even a small period of time, therefore wcing was just sit and wait. this now gives wcing a good middle ground of activity (mining, rc, smithing, hunter, and fishing already have those middle ground methods). more events = more variety which helps keep things fresh. imo random events are a very old school thing, and having more wc specific random events from wcing is not bad. I do think that it's good for wcing but most, if not all, skills dont need this treatment due to the fact that there is variety in methods already.
Also, you could argue that they should have just made it a boss like tempoross, but i disagree. Most, if not all, skilling updates have been side activities. so, it's nice that an update can have a wider effect. but, i do think it should be a very rare occurrence
Im maxed, for the record, but forestry as a group skilling update is insanely good and fun for new and mid game players.
I think you're honestly a bit disconnected from the player base. I'm not a fan of all the content that is part of wc, but do you not see how cool it is to get loads of people skilling together in the over world?
I'm a huge fan so please understand that it's not just detractors disagreeing
We should get rid of free trade
i wish they would add a slayer master like person for skilling that gave tasks like go fish 200 shrimp and then get a fat chunk of xp when turning it in. that would help every skill instead of adding a forestry for every skill. forestry was nice for a little while but i havent touched it since release.
pls no more rng tho. hated that with slayer
forestry sucks
I see you’ve come over to the dark side of voting no to the unnecessary updates
When arent you never disappointed ?
Forestry killed redwoods :(
I just don't see any problem with adding more active alternatives that give increased xp rates to skills that are currently considered " afk" skills like mining, WC, etc.
" it feels like Toon Town" " It's not oldschool" these aren't real objections in my mind. Why is it bad for the game, why is it bad for the games longevity, how is it hurting the playerbase. I think if you and the other older player base have concerns and want to push back on this style of update you need to be able to come up with stronger arguments then " This isn't how OLDSCHOOL is supposed to be!". Oldschool is a growing flourishing game with a large community. Saying "muh nostalgia" just isn't enough to bring people over to your side. What is your problem with the events? Is it the way they're designed? Why. What don't you like about them? How would you change them for the better?
I see so much of the vocal minority screaming into the void about these types of game changes passing but no one ever takes the time to actually make an argument with actual points on why it's bad. They just scream about new players ruining the game via the polling system because " they don't understand what it means to be oldschool".
Convince me. Because until then I just don't see any problem with making these style of updates, I think they're cool and good for the game. They add more interactive grinds that break up the monotony of afk skills. They give more options for a world that's attention span is getting shorter and shorter. More options limits burnout. Currently I'm doing 99 mining on my main. There are two ways that I level. I can do something insanely afk like MLM, or I can sweat my balls of 3t gem mining. I don't mind those options, I play this game for a reason. That being said, I am now EXCITED for my next 99 ( wc) because of forestry. Now there is a third option! An inbetween, somethings else to break up the grind. Something new interesting and fun to engage with. That's why I believe forestry is good for the game.
Allow me to try.
First of all, I don't think Sae Bae or most people would disagree with your first paragraph at all. It isn't about the niche the method fills in regards to AFKness or XP at all.
It's the specific themes and styles of these activities that people don't like.
Let me try to break down the accusation that something isn't "old school".
Old School was a mode released to capture "what runescape could have been" in wake of new RS, which took design influence more modern games.
The appeal wasn't just that players could relive their nostalgia, but that the simplicity of the old design was actually preferable to the newer game.
If I had to isolate some characteristics that I think make the old, simpler design style special, I would say:
1. Readability. It's usually pretty easy to tell what you can do with something even if you've never seen it before, just by looking at it, or perhaps by examining it.
2. Consistency. Generally things work the same way across the game. If they don't, it's usually in a designated mini-game area.
3. Intuition. If an interaction doesn't have a direct real-world counterpart, there's typically a pretty clear cause and effect relationship. For example, when you shoot an arrow, one is subtracted from your quiver and is placed on the ground, unless it breaks or you have a special magnetic and magical backpack, in which case it retrieves the arrow for you.
Forestry goes against these principles.
1st of all, forestry events are somewhat obscure; it isn't immediately clear how to engage with them, which is against the spirit of normal woodcutting.
That brings me to my 2nd point. If forestry events were limited to one forest or group of forests, it could be easily explained why these particular events happen around these particular trees. But instead, the devs insisted that the events be an expansion to the ordinary loop. Because of that, the extremely gamified experience feels very out of place in the world. The same trees that functioned normally a second ago now do strange things as soon as you put on a backpack.
That brings me to the 3rd point. The actions that make up forestry can seem arbitrary and unintuitive. Why do ordinary trees suddenly turn into saplings sometimes as soon as you put on a backpack that can hold forestry supplies?
Or why do you get more or less "anima infused bark" when pollinating a flower? And why does possessing a "bee on a stick" make this event possible and give extra rewards when you have one yourself? Why does adding mulch ingredients in different orders change the nutrient content?
It's all very unintuitive especially for mechanics that are present all across the game world.
Now, while it's true that no piece of content significantly affects the longevity of the game, it can set a precedent. The degree to which Jagex designs more content like forestry is the degree to which they stray from the charm that makes Old School popular.
And to be clear, "Old School" does not mean there cannot be wc methods with diversion and distractions. Cleaning up Tai Bwo Bwana is a very old wc minigame that works just like that, and sulliceps is a more recent one.
In fact, skill-specific random events were in the game a long time ago, and I wouldn't have minded Forestry if the events were a little simpler like the evil tree event or even just bird nests falling from trees.
@@andrewprahst2529 Finally someone actually interested in engaging in a discussion about the topic, welcome and I appreciate your well thought out and written response.
1. Readability: To be frank, I feel like all of the Forestry events are extremely straight forward. The roots one you just chop the roots and sometimes you say " ooh a special green root" which is superior. The flower one is slightly more confusing, but it easily falls into the category of " by examining it" because after one interaction it's easy to figure out what's going on and even more so now that they've changed the flower colors. Maybe the hardest one is probably the mulch one, but that one isn't really that difficult after you try it the first time. And if you don't want to figure it out, forestry is a group experience most of the time and you can just wait for or ask the other people to literally tell your combination.
2. Consistency: I feel like in your explanation of this you actually show that Forestry fits this perfectly. It isn't a minigame, therefore it works across the entire game. That fits exactly within your scope for consistency, and you make it seem like that upsets you in a later paragraph, but if it didn't work this way then it actually wouldn't consistent according to your own definition.
3. Intuition: The reason that putting in certain things to the mulch gets you more points is because different things break down in different ways to create compost. And depending on what plants you have around they could be pulling different nutrients from the ground more heavily, and therefore need a different type of compost to help them grow more quickly. This is why things like crop rotations exist for farmers. The game with Bees relates to forests because pollinators are one of the most important forms of life for any advanced ecosystem, helping plants and trees to grow. All of these events feel very based in reality if you know a lot about forestry as it is in the real life. Personally, I don't really feel that this point resonates with me when I think of old school, but just to play along with the definitions you gave and show how I actually think Forestry fits perfectly into your description of Oldschool feel.
When it comes to me when I think " OldSchool" I also think of a more simplistic game type. Specifically, one that can be completed easily with only using your mouse. Although different hotkeys exist and I take advantage of them literally always, I believe that " oldschool" is encompassed by the Point - n - click aspect of the game. And this is one of the primary reasons why EOC went over so poorly with the community. I think it is apt that people often lovingly/jokingly call osrs " The medieval cookie clicker" and I think like cookie clicker there should be a variance in different types of activities that allow you to either actively or passively gain " income".
On top of that, I also agree with you that Oldschool is made to capture what RS could have been if EOC had never come around. But I don't agree that the idea behind OS is to simply remain that game from 2007 forever. I think the game is meant to grow and evolve into it's own version, the same way if we could go back and simply cut EOC out of the timeline, RS2 wouldn't have just stayed the same, but also would have continued to grow and change in new and different ways. Adding new content, such as forestry, that allows old dead skills, like woodcutting, to move forward in time and receive and overhaul that brings them up to speed with the rest of the game is a plus. The same way that PvM has received different raids, quests have received new quests, PKers have receive wildy changes like Ferox and BH, Skillers deserve a much needed facelift to their portion of the game.
Forestry is completely optional. People say that it isn't optional because it " overshadows sulliceps, and changes the xp meta" but if they are so worried about xp/hr they should be 1.5t teaks anyway which is still better xp/hr then Forestry. If they're looking for something more afk/ relaxed, there are lots of options for that as well, and forestry doesn't encroach on those since you have to be doing the events as they pop up, and even moving around between tree patches can give you better xp. All of which you can do, simply by using your mouse no keyboard required.
In conclusion, I believe forestry fits squarely into what it means to be " Oldschool" in 2023.
@@andrewadams530 I do still think you're misunderstanding some things.
For example, I don't think people who oppose forestry are against the idea of growing and expanding in general, they're just against this specific style of expansion. There may be people who think like that, but neither me or Sae Bae have said anything like that, and really love new content if it is designed a certain way.
Another thing is that you seem to think "readable" is the same thing as "easy-to-learn". That's not what I mean. Even if forestry events are easy to learn, they aren't immediately obvious, which contributes to them feeling out of place. By contrast, when a spider or gemrock spawns from hacking jungle, it's immediately clear what to do with them. This isn't better because it's "easier" they just better fit the aesthetic of old school design because they are self explanatory, and while they are a little wacky they are thematically believable things to find while hacking jungle. When it comes to forestry, even though the mulch event is easy to learn, there's nothing about the tree turning into a sapling that instinctually prompts the player to start piling it with mulch. And when it comes to making the mulch, pay attention to my words carefully: it's not just a matter of the ingredients of the mulch, but the ORDER in which you add them. If you add two green leaves, then one brown leaf, that may be the optimal recipe, but adding one brown leaf then two green leaves is considered wrong. And again, it's not that this activity is necessarily hard to learn, just that it doesn't make sense. It feels like they are forcing mechanics they believe to be fun into places they don't belong. Which takes me to the consistency bit.
I did not mean to say minigames are bad because they are in one location, not integrated with the rest of the game. That may be something some people say, and it may or may not be true, but that's not what I'm trying to say here.
At least when I walk into a designated minigame area, it's natural to assume the things in there may work in a special way, like when I walk into barbarian assault, it isn't weird to assume that the enemies there work differently than the ones outside.
But imagine if instead of releasing barbarian assault as a minigame, they released a cape that, when worn, made nearly all enemies change so that you had to switch attack styles as called out by a partner. You could still kill monsters normally, but the cape provides a boost to experience and drops, so that anyone being efficient should use it unless they are doing things like raids, where xp and individual monster drops don't matter. The controls are still point-and-click, it's an optional activity, and raids are still usually the best money, but because the way you are supposed to fight monsters in the broader game has been changed, the game would feel less old school to me.
That's how forestry currently feels to me.
Whether or not Jagex should be making more single-area minigames, I believe mixing minigame-like mechanics into the broader game is even worse than putting those mechanics into a single area.
And to be clear, that doesn't mean I don't think they can make new game-wide activities, just that there are specific types of mechanics I object to being used in them.
On the subject of overshadowing sulliusceps...
You've talked about how forestry is a nice alternative between super AFK methods and super intense methods. The thing is, there was a method just like that for woodcutting, before Forestry. That method was sulliusceps. You cut one down, then have to run to the next, which involved picking up snakes and throwing them at swamp monsters, raking and chopping away vines, avoiding poisonous spines, and filling pits with mushrooms. That filled the niche you were talking about. Now, if forestry was a little bit more afk than 'sceps for a little less xp, that would be fine, but it's actually more afk AND more xp. That's the problem people have with it.
The two skills that do need overhauls are mining and smithing…
I disagree, they are perfectly fine where they are. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
@@janitorizamped it’s okay to disagree, just give reasons why. Currently rune platebody is 99 smithing for tier 40 armor
@@andrewsmith-ud3qo you didn't give a single reason why that's bad, all you did is state your opinion and then a single fact. Why is it bad that the rune platebody is 99 smithing?
@@janitorizamped triggered I see
@@andrewsmith-ud3qo why can you people never answer simple questions? How can you possibly walk away from this thinking you have a strong argument when you are unable to answer a single question?
You have to realize in order for this game to survive as long as Runescape has as a whole, changes that people do not like will happen unfortunately we as a WHOLE community will never see eye to eye. The obby cape mains of today will never be the Gnomonkeys of tomorrow.
I dont think you're overreacting, I personally dont like a lot of the changes and additions from part 2. I like foresty kinda, its fine but they are adding so much that doesn't jelly well with me. I like the events they've added, minimal and you only do them if you want too, however they do eat up run energy, which makes me really dislike the fact that 2-handed axes (a completely unpolled thing btw) use run energy to work. I dislike that they are adding this problem and 'solving' it by adding the foresters ration. I dont think we needed the ration at all, especially since its only use will be for prolonged use of the 2h axe. Why did they have to add a dumb cavate? Why couldnt they just introduce a flat upgrade to axes, its a Woodcutting expansion, I dont see why it couldnt just be a flat upgrade. Campfires sound like a fine idea, makes Firemaking outside of wintertodt afk and thats fine in my book. I dont know why they are adding tea's, we have Herblore as an entire skill, why are we adding lesser herblore somewhere else? Worst part is that now these boosts will probably be required across the game for meta reasons. I also personally dont like the look of the outfits they've added, but thats a personal thing.