After reading many reviews and watching a lot of videos, I chose this option for my first backup power station. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHypYDKHAN93Lp2RQpfvU_ksc70wJ00pt I was between this and a larger option that could power a wider range of items, but the price/size/capacity blend seemed right for this unit. Hasn't gotten a ton of use yet, but the build quality is solid and it charges fine via the Rockpals solar panel I purchased to pair with it. One thing to note is that the screen is optimized for a top down viewing angle, which makes sense, but this means it washes out at other angles - especially low angles. Not a huge deal, but perhaps a better option for the display could be used to provide wider viewing angles.
Important Update 7/17/2023: Due to the apparent overwhelming response to this video, the available stock on this product seems to have (or nearly have) run dry. And VTerun sent me a note this morning saying the following: "We regret to inform you that due to the current stock limitations, we may need to slightly reduce the scale of the ongoing promotion within the next 2-3 days. Nevertheless, your audience with the exclusive discount code will still be able to enjoy the best price available. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and appreciate your understanding in this matter." So be aware that pricing (and availability) on this power station may not reflect the specific numbers I referenced in the video. I did mention in the video that "pricing can and does change"...but I certainly didn't expect it to change THIS quickly. :-/ Just wanted to be upfront about this and let you know as soon as I found out. One or 2 viewers suggested that this might be some kind of bait-n-switch scam...and I assure you that it was not. They just weren't expecting such a big response so quickly. Sorry for any inconvenience.
Super bummed to see this. I purchased in 7/16 through Amazon and the add is still up as of tonight (7/23) although $200 more for the combo. I know it's not your fault just super bummed not to get what I clearly ordered and paid for.
Solid review and looks to be a solid performer. Nice looking display along with the nice looking overall look. Tons of watt hours and excellent pricing. Warranty falls a little short however.
Items: $2,199.00 Shipping & handling: $0.00 Promotion Applied: -$439.80 Total before tax: $1,759.20 Estimated tax to be collected:* $160.09 Total: $1,919.29 Still not trible..
Good revue as always, I can see this item a good fit for home use, or in an institutional setting. My personal emergency power is with a Generac system, but not an apples to oranges comparison.
Really interesting unit. Also price is going better and better :) if they would give longer warranty that would be solid offer, but with 2y only, comparing to blue 4/5 on bigger unit I still would pay little more and have few years warranty more
The Alpha2000 reminds me a lot of the EcoFlow Delta power station series... It would be great if: 1. double the solar input to 2x 800W 2. put AC and solar charging into the additional batteries 3. put the DC outputs into the additional batteries 4. improve the app with history logging for offline and online use I appreciate the 90 degree connectors for the additional batteries, which do not take take up much space, finally someone's come up with them! No 230V version for Europe?
Without a way to charge the expansion battery independently, that much capacity is mostly just a spec sheet bullet point. Each battery has capacity similar to the power station. That means each battery needs to have the same charging ability as the power station or each battery simply increases the charge time - the first expansion doubles the charge time, the next one adds 50% more charge time, etc. It appears solar charging is completely infeasible. Not having outputs on the expansion battery seems like a huge waste of potential. Of course without a good way to charge the expansion battery I suppose it doesn't matter.
Another great video, thanks! btw, if you're looking for future video ideas, would love to see a similar video on power stations that feature a 30 amp (RV) output plug/port. While I luv the Delta Pros, the cost of the DPs is wayyy beyond my budget.
FYI 30ms transfer time (switch over) is HORRIBLE for use as a computer UPS. Even the crappiest **real** computer UPS's have transfer times of less than 10ms. 30ms transfer time would likely result in a a reboot or potentially a corrupted hard drive.
I used to live and work in and around Calgary and in all times I checked voltage it was 110/220 and I've always heard it called that so now that I'm in Drumheller and am now getting my power from Arco electric instead of Enmax so now I'm going to have to check it out as for this unit to have the ability to add so much expansion capacity they need to have the option to add expansion to the input as well
Just bought the Pecron 3000 3 days ago for $1400 (sale) mostly because of your review. I wish this was available then but, they are both great products. 😀
Great video. I like that it allows you to set the charging power and it also has a good Solar input Voltage range. At $999 on sale with your discount is a reasonable deal compared to other PS in the same category. BTW, can you turn off Hibernation mode (fridge mode) without using the app?
I know not many people will be using the car charging mode unless it's an emergency. But, with that slow charging mode you could use an inexpensive inverter and charge at 200 watts vs the DC cables 100 watt max. Some cars could even handle 300 watts of output from the cigarette lighter port.
Bluetti were one of the first with expansion batteries, and theirs have independent inputs and outputs (you can even hook them up to seperate solar!), so I don't know why it's so hard for the other manufacturers.
It's not hard, it comes down to cost. Adding additional inputs means a separate charge controller for each unit and adding the coding/software for the controller to the interface. I agree though, the limit of solar input or the ability to charge independently of the main unit is a deal breaker for me.
A good review as always from you. The only question i have with these unknown companies to me are 1) how long have been around? Do they just make solar generators? Is this their first?
With 32 KW you'd want to be able to charge it in 5 hours or that may not be much good for anybody unless they need less power than that. It'll be nice if they can had 200 to 400 watt solar panel that can connect to each battery which should be making it worthwhile cuz I don't think a 2,000 watt inverter can charge all that in 5 hours of winter time. When the power is needed the most.
Wow, this looks like a clone of the Eco Flow Delta 2 Max with wireless charging. It would be interesting to look at the inside and compare to the Delta 2 Max. The battery connectors look exactly like the Eco Flow. I wonder if the Wave 2 and the dual fuel generator will work with these and also wonder if these batteries work with the Eco Flow products. Great find and review!
Yeah they're probably made in the same factory by the same workers as the Ecoflow products. Definitely interested in this brand after watching this video.
Good review. But I'll wait for a year plus before purchasing any new product because by then all the bugs will be identified and corrected. Shipping to Hawai'i is costly, particularly if it has to be returned for repairs (a double cost to purchaser) So far my Max 200 Bluetti was a sound investment.
I've been binge watching your videos on all of this Solar Confusion. I pretty much had my mind made up on getting the Pecron E2000 lfp until I saw this. So help me make up my mind please. FYI...The app doesn't affect my decision. I like the UPS on the Alpha, but I like the 1600 watt charging option on the E2000.🤔🥴 Thanks for helping me out, and all the hard work you put in to bring us this complicating info!! Be safe all!
I'd say it's going to hinge on how important UPS mode is to you. If it's not a NEED to have, I'd probably go with the Pecron E2000LFP. It's just been an absolute rock -solid workhorse for me after about 10 months of constant use. I don't have enough time on the Alpha quite yet to be able to say that. Also I think the max Solar on the E2000LFP is actually 1200W (600W on each of the 2 inputs), not 1600W...which is still an advantage over the Alpha. I do wish the E2000LFP would let you put the full 1200W into a single port, but since it's limited to 600W each, you have to make 2 cable runs to get more than 600W. Minor annoyance...but it still ranks as one of my favorite power stations.
@@ReeWrayOutdoorsThank you so much for the reply brother. I trust and respect your knowledge and really enjoy your videos! That was really the way I was leaning. Much appreciated!👍 Be safe✌️
Looks like an Ecoflow. An you can only sync 1 power station and 2 extra batteries. If you can hook 15 batteries to that it's probably worth it for the capacity
$16,000 for the generator and 15 expansion batteries. A combined weight of 690 lbs. Given the dimensions of the generator and the batteries, this will take a significant amount of real estate to accommodate. Additionally with a solar charge limit of 800 watts it would take a significant amount of time to charge the entire system. Most places only have about 4.5 to 5 solar hours. This would give you a maximum of 4000 watts per day. Not sure all the negatives here justify a $16,000 purchase.
Yeah, they clearly do not. That's why I think for most people, just the main unit and also 1 or 2 expansions would be the max you'd go on this product.
This unit seems to be based loosely on the EcoFlow architecture. Very similar display, connectability, etc. I'd want to see how it holds up over time, though. What did they do to reduce the cost? Makes you wonder.
I'm curious, too. I have 2 different Ecoflow units and the Wave2. I also have a reconditioned Bluettti that I'd gotten for half the price, but I don't like that it takes a lot longer to charge and doesn't show the actual % on the screen.
Do each of the AC plug have a limit to max amps pulled, and is that a collective pulling power, or one max for all, for example if you have 6 plugs all pulling at the same time a max of 20amps will it support all six pulling 20 each, so 120..or is it 20 shared amongst the 6?
A way better value is the Vanpowers 2000. The 2000 I just bought was 589.00 with 2096wh battery 2000w inverter, to expand the battery capacity you can simply just buy 200ah lifepo batteries for as low as 4-500.00. Way cheaper than this unit, with the same specs.
The dc test should be more than the ac test as its direct without inverter. Not sure what's going on but your testing is producing illogical results. 97% through an inverter is insane. Insane good that is, if it's true. It still does not look right, however.
Brought two an was going to send one back got a pecron lfp2000 and a vtoman 1000 refurbished off ebay for 400. Thinking of keeping pecron but mwn the vtoman was so cheap. Maybe i should keep both.
I did the exact same thing, e2000lfp and the jump 1000 hahaha I got the vtoman refurbished too but paid $490, did you make an offer directl with vtoman on eBay or different seller?
Likely, as long as your mini split can take 110V without an issue. The bigger question is how long can you run. A lot of variables there (ambient temp, temp setpoint...cooling or heating mode, room insulation, etc.), so any estimates on that would be highly subject to variation. But for a rough estimate, say in your environment the compressor runs 50% of the time and pulls 600W continuous while the compressor is running. That would be 300Wh consumed...so with, say...1800Wh of usable capacity, that's about 6 hours of run time (with no other loads). And each expansion would add another 6 hours.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors You inspired me! I ended up ordering the Alpha 2000 and one battery yesterday on Amazon. Great deal!!! I heard back from VTERUN yesterday and they recommended I have TWO batteries if I plan on using the DIY 12000 BTU unit from MrCool. I spoke to MrCool and they confirmed it will operational on the 110v, no problem. Looking forward to getting it all hooked up and see how it performs (California desert climate near Joshua Tree) -- Still need to pick out solar panels .... 🙂
yeah - I think it really only needs the 'Find Nearby Devices' permission so it can establish that inital BlueTooth connection. But I understand your concerns there.
I checked and it's definitely not the same. Pins are pretty much the same, but in a different arrangement and the connector itself is slightly smaller than the XT150
No, but I have a manual transfer switch and I have an adaptor cable that enables me to connect any standard 3-prong output to it. Still limited (in this case) to 20A, but it definitely works and perfect if all you want to run is a fridge and gas furnace blower in an emergency situation.
I did cite the voltage range in the review (10V-100V) and these all have variable current tolerance...depending on the input voltage..but we know that with an 800W max cap, if you were to input at 100V, the max current would have to be 8A. I actually didn't test simultaneous AC and solar charging this time around (getting careless, I guess!). It wasn't called out in the manual, so I'm not confident it will...but I"ll have to try it and see.
Ok, so I test simultaneous solar and AC charging this morning and it will disable the solar charging as soon as AC charging is detected. So no simultaneous charging from AC and solar.
Competition is a good thing. Bluetti and Ecoflow need some. It keeps them sharp and holds down the pricing. So I look at it as you get your Bluetti at a fair price along with its top notch quality and other people who are not wealthy get to enjoy a power station at a reasonable price for them. It's a good thing for everyone.
I realize 110 works fine for most purposes. But why not design 120V output? Is such a design more difficult or more expensive? Why do power station companies seem to prefer a 110V design?
@@ReeWrayOutdoors Thanks my order is delivered today but I’m not home to try it out Hopefully im not going to regret it I return BOUGERV 1200( $560) and get this thanks by the u
The order site is a hot mess. The single 2000 w unit is out of stock and backorder takes you to a dulled out page with no forward movement. And if you order with one EB module the prices mentioned are not available. Instead of the $1698 you quoted the price is $1999 with your discount code ($2299 - $300). Looks sort of scammish to me. Not sure the integrity of this outfit in case of problems.
Definitely not a scam... but it does sound like they've got an issue to resolve on the website. I'll try it on my end and try and contact them about it if i see the same thing.
I had the same issue. The primary unit price is $1129.42 and expansion battery is $868.58 when bought separate on their website total $1998.00 with discount code. Hard to believe inverter efficiency is bst on the market. They must underrated the battery size.
I think, over all, if the fairly sizable difference in price is not a problem for you, I'd personally opt for the Anker 767. A little easier to move around with the wheel and handles, Slightly higher solar input capacity, extremely quiet, more refined mobile app experience, and a 5 year warranty.
I'm actually testing 1 now (24W 200Ah). No complaints so far. Seems like a very solid battery and not expecting any issues. Review coming in August. :)
@@ReeWrayOutdoors I look forward to it, looking to go 100% off grid next spring and would like to take a few power systems with, like stream generator and solar. After a while I’ll even phase that out.
@4:22 Yeah, but they work better when they're operated at 120 Volts AC 60 Hz. This is usually what the internal mosfet transistors and capacitors and IC chips are spec'd to operate at. Yes, these items are designed to (Tolerate) 100 to 120 Volts AC, but they run best @ 120 Volts AC with 20 Amps of current surging through them. Many of these solar genny manufacturers try to hide the fact by simply not listing or mentioning in their marketing material their AC outputs are lacking in Amperage (Read Current) handling capabilities. I have seen some power stations having AC output ports with current limitations as low as 5 measley amps ! 👎🏻That's simply ridiculous ! Anything less than 15 Amps on a 120 Volt AC outlet is pointless, and even dangerous ! Want to wear out your kitchen appliances at a 10 times rate ? Operate them undercurrent. If you want a nominal power station, which is guaranteed to have AC outputs which are stable and ample to their tasks, then you want an inverter unit which is rated to output 20 Amps of current at the AC output socket, and runs at 120 nominal and stable Volts AC. Anyone who tells you these ratings have no real bearing on how your stuff will run is not being totally honest with you, or they simply don't know what they're talking about ! Here's a tip. Look at where they AC output sockets are located in these solar genny product videos. All sockets which have "real" 20 Amp outputs will have one of the side tabs sockets with a horizontal stroke in it. Look for this. If they don't seem to really want to show you the back of a unit which has the AC on that side away from the camera, then that could be a red flag !@11:18 I'm not surprised at your unusually good AC efficiency rating of the inverter. The Solar Genny power station manufacturers are manufacturing more efficient AC inverters now because of the demand for running time versus battery size and capacity. People want more capacity at a lighter weight, which is a balancing act to achieve. I believe EcoFlow tops the market in terms of performance and capacity running times.@ 12:40 Uhh just a minute that's not quite what I want. What I want is the solar panels to turn the unit on and begin charging, but I also want it to turn on the AC inverter and begin outputting AC power once again as well. I also want to be able to program this in a phone app so I can monitor what's happening and when.
Watch out this site is involved with price scam of this device. When you use the code provided you are not given the promised discount and the total is considerable higher. Beware of fraud. This may be inadvertent or deliberate deception by this youtube channel owner.
Wow...ok..I can appreciate your skepticism and/or caution...but I'm definitely not in the business of scamming people. I did get an email from this company this morning saying: "We regret to inform you that due to the current stock limitations, we may need to slightly reduce the scale of the ongoing promotion within the next 2-3 days. Nevertheless, your audience with the exclusive discount code will still be able to enjoy the best price available. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and appreciate your understanding in this matter." I'll leave a pinned comment with this to let people now. And I do share your frustration...
Well, you're still capped at an 800W max overall, and you can connect any arrangement of panels up as long as the input voltage is within that 100V max. Higher than that and you risk damaging the charge controller.
After reading many reviews and watching a lot of videos, I chose this option for my first backup power station. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHypYDKHAN93Lp2RQpfvU_ksc70wJ00pt I was between this and a larger option that could power a wider range of items, but the price/size/capacity blend seemed right for this unit. Hasn't gotten a ton of use yet, but the build quality is solid and it charges fine via the Rockpals solar panel I purchased to pair with it. One thing to note is that the screen is optimized for a top down viewing angle, which makes sense, but this means it washes out at other angles - especially low angles. Not a huge deal, but perhaps a better option for the display could be used to provide wider viewing angles.
Thank you very much for your excellent descriptions and reviews. Very much appreciated!
Important Update 7/17/2023: Due to the apparent overwhelming response to this video, the available stock on this product seems to have (or nearly have) run dry. And VTerun sent me a note this morning saying the following: "We regret to inform you that due to the current stock limitations, we may need to slightly reduce the scale of the ongoing promotion within the next 2-3 days. Nevertheless, your audience with the exclusive discount code will still be able to enjoy the best price available. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and appreciate your understanding in this matter." So be aware that pricing (and availability) on this power station may not reflect the specific numbers I referenced in the video. I did mention in the video that "pricing can and does change"...but I certainly didn't expect it to change THIS quickly. :-/ Just wanted to be upfront about this and let you know as soon as I found out. One or 2 viewers suggested that this might be some kind of bait-n-switch scam...and I assure you that it was not. They just weren't expecting such a big response so quickly. Sorry for any inconvenience.
You should pin this comment to the top of the page. Thanks.
Super bummed to see this. I purchased in 7/16 through Amazon and the add is still up as of tonight (7/23) although $200 more for the combo. I know it's not your fault just super bummed not to get what I clearly ordered and paid for.
Solid review and looks to be a solid performer. Nice looking display along with the nice looking overall look. Tons of watt hours and excellent pricing.
Warranty falls a little short however.
Items: $2,199.00
Shipping & handling: $0.00
Promotion Applied: -$439.80
Total before tax: $1,759.20
Estimated tax to be collected:* $160.09
Total: $1,919.29
Still not trible..
Wow. That efficiency is off the charts. Awesome price I may have to get one. Thanks for the review.... Jeff
Nice review. Interesting product…. I like the multiple expansion capability. That is a unique feature for sure.
Good revue as always, I can see this item a good fit for home use, or in an institutional setting. My personal emergency power is with a Generac system, but not an apples to oranges comparison.
Great review, very interesting / impressive unit. Thank you.
Another fantastic review, thanks
Really interesting unit. Also price is going better and better :) if they would give longer warranty that would be solid offer, but with 2y only, comparing to blue 4/5 on bigger unit I still would pay little more and have few years warranty more
Thank you for the useful information. Love seeing wonka
20:47 Love it when you find a place to sneak "Powerhouse" into your audio! 😎
Wow! Most people don't even recognize what that's from and here you go and actually I.D. the song! Well done!! Fellow Looney Tunes kid!
Nice review, That does sound like a good deal if I was looking for something in that price range right now.
The Alpha2000 reminds me a lot of the EcoFlow Delta power station series...
It would be great if:
1. double the solar input to 2x 800W
2. put AC and solar charging into the additional batteries
3. put the DC outputs into the additional batteries
4. improve the app with history logging for offline and online use
I appreciate the 90 degree connectors for the additional batteries, which do not take take up much space,
finally someone's come up with them!
No 230V version for Europe?
Without a way to charge the expansion battery independently, that much capacity is mostly just a spec sheet bullet point. Each battery has capacity similar to the power station. That means each battery needs to have the same charging ability as the power station or each battery simply increases the charge time - the first expansion doubles the charge time, the next one adds 50% more charge time, etc. It appears solar charging is completely infeasible.
Not having outputs on the expansion battery seems like a huge waste of potential. Of course without a good way to charge the expansion battery I suppose it doesn't matter.
Another great video, thanks! btw, if you're looking for future video ideas, would love to see a similar video on power stations that feature a 30 amp (RV) output plug/port. While I luv the Delta Pros, the cost of the DPs is wayyy beyond my budget.
Thanks for the idea! I'll keep my eyes peeled for a budget option with an RV30 output. Also great for home backup power...
FYI 30ms transfer time (switch over) is HORRIBLE for use as a computer UPS.
Even the crappiest **real** computer UPS's have transfer times of less than 10ms. 30ms transfer time would likely result in a a reboot or potentially a corrupted hard drive.
I used to live and work in and around Calgary and in all times I checked voltage it was 110/220 and I've always heard it called that so now that I'm in Drumheller and am now getting my power from Arco electric instead of Enmax so now I'm going to have to check it out as for this unit to have the ability to add so much expansion capacity they need to have the option to add expansion to the input as well
hopefully the prices come down to where they were. currently with the code, it is 300 off brining it down to 1200 bucks. It is 1300 on vterun
Just bought the Pecron 3000 3 days ago for $1400 (sale) mostly because of your review.
I wish this was available then but, they are both great products.
😀
I also bought an e2000LFP from Percron on Prime Day, no UPS or App support, but it was $100 less, 899
Great video. I like that it allows you to set the charging power and it also has a good Solar input Voltage range. At $999 on sale with your discount is a reasonable deal compared to other PS in the same category.
BTW, can you turn off Hibernation mode (fridge mode) without using the app?
I know not many people will be using the car charging mode unless it's an emergency. But, with that slow charging mode you could use an inexpensive inverter and charge at 200 watts vs the DC cables 100 watt max. Some cars could even handle 300 watts of output from the cigarette lighter port.
Oh yeah, nice! I hadn't thought of that solution.
Super clean looking unit!
Great review and a very nice unit. But definitely looks a lot like the equal flow, delta max,
Bluetti were one of the first with expansion batteries, and theirs have independent inputs and outputs (you can even hook them up to seperate solar!), so I don't know why it's so hard for the other manufacturers.
It's not hard, it comes down to cost. Adding additional inputs means a separate charge controller for each unit and adding the coding/software for the controller to the interface. I agree though, the limit of solar input or the ability to charge independently of the main unit is a deal breaker for me.
A good review as always from you. The only question i have with these unknown companies to me are 1) how long have been around? Do they just make solar generators? Is this their first?
With 32 KW you'd want to be able to charge it in 5 hours or that may not be much good for anybody unless they need less power than that. It'll be nice if they can had 200 to 400 watt solar panel that can connect to each battery which should be making it worthwhile cuz I don't think a 2,000 watt inverter can charge all that in 5 hours of winter time. When the power is needed the most.
Great video!
I like this combo unit setup
Wow, this looks like a clone of the Eco Flow Delta 2 Max with wireless charging. It would be interesting to look at the inside and compare to the Delta 2 Max. The battery connectors look exactly like the Eco Flow. I wonder if the Wave 2 and the dual fuel generator will work with these and also wonder if these batteries work with the Eco Flow products. Great find and review!
Yeah they're probably made in the same factory by the same workers as the Ecoflow products. Definitely interested in this brand after watching this video.
Good review. But I'll wait for a year plus before purchasing any new product because by then all the bugs will be identified and corrected. Shipping to Hawai'i is costly, particularly if it has to be returned for repairs (a double cost to purchaser) So far my Max 200 Bluetti was a sound investment.
Perhaps test it alongside the Anker powerhouse 767 which has the exact same power numbers
I've been binge watching your videos on all of this Solar Confusion.
I pretty much had my mind made up on getting the Pecron E2000 lfp until I saw this.
So help me make up my mind please.
FYI...The app doesn't affect my decision.
I like the UPS on the Alpha, but I like the 1600 watt charging option on the E2000.🤔🥴
Thanks for helping me out, and all the hard work you put in to bring us this complicating info!!
Be safe all!
I'd say it's going to hinge on how important UPS mode is to you. If it's not a NEED to have, I'd probably go with the Pecron E2000LFP. It's just been an absolute rock -solid workhorse for me after about 10 months of constant use. I don't have enough time on the Alpha quite yet to be able to say that. Also I think the max Solar on the E2000LFP is actually 1200W (600W on each of the 2 inputs), not 1600W...which is still an advantage over the Alpha. I do wish the E2000LFP would let you put the full 1200W into a single port, but since it's limited to 600W each, you have to make 2 cable runs to get more than 600W. Minor annoyance...but it still ranks as one of my favorite power stations.
@@ReeWrayOutdoorsThank you so much for the reply brother.
I trust and respect your knowledge and really enjoy your videos!
That was really the way I was leaning.
Much appreciated!👍
Be safe✌️
Looks like an Ecoflow. An you can only sync 1 power station and 2 extra batteries. If you can hook 15 batteries to that it's probably worth it for the capacity
only 800 watts of solar but expandable to 32kwh WHAT
Yeah..I don't see anyone building a 32KWh system with only 800W of solar...unless you don't plan to use solar at all.
$16,000 for the generator and 15 expansion batteries. A combined weight of 690 lbs. Given the dimensions of the generator and the batteries, this will take a significant amount of real estate to accommodate. Additionally with a solar charge limit of 800 watts it would take a significant amount of time to charge the entire system. Most places only have about 4.5 to 5 solar hours. This would give you a maximum of 4000 watts per day. Not sure all the negatives here justify a $16,000 purchase.
Yeah, they clearly do not. That's why I think for most people, just the main unit and also 1 or 2 expansions would be the max you'd go on this product.
great review
This unit seems to be based loosely on the EcoFlow architecture. Very similar display, connectability, etc. I'd want to see how it holds up over time, though. What did they do to reduce the cost? Makes you wonder.
I'm curious, too. I have 2 different Ecoflow units and the Wave2. I also have a reconditioned Bluettti that I'd gotten for half the price, but I don't like that it takes a lot longer to charge and doesn't show the actual % on the screen.
Have you been or are you a tool maker? Great channel, thanks. Cheers.
You didn't show us how many watts of solar you managed to pull?
Do each of the AC plug have a limit to max amps pulled, and is that a collective pulling power, or one max for all, for example if you have 6 plugs all pulling at the same time a max of 20amps will it support all six pulling 20 each, so 120..or is it 20 shared amongst the 6?
You can think of it as a 20A circuit with 6 plugs on it.
A way better value is the Vanpowers 2000. The 2000 I just bought was 589.00 with 2096wh battery 2000w inverter, to expand the battery capacity you can simply just buy 200ah lifepo batteries for as low as 4-500.00.
Way cheaper than this unit, with the same specs.
The dc test should be more than the ac test as its direct without inverter. Not sure what's going on but your testing is producing illogical results. 97% through an inverter is insane. Insane good that is, if it's true. It still does not look right, however.
I am powering a refrigerator that only draws about 35 watts In Eco mode
Brought two an was going to send one back got a pecron lfp2000 and a vtoman 1000 refurbished off ebay for 400. Thinking of keeping pecron but mwn the vtoman was so cheap. Maybe i should keep both.
I did the exact same thing, e2000lfp and the jump 1000 hahaha I got the vtoman refurbished too but paid $490, did you make an offer directl with vtoman on eBay or different seller?
@Outsman it was offer on the vtoman website man I wonder if I could of got cheaper. Hard to send back at that price though. You keep both?
Is the 12v output limited to 10amps? If so, this unit may not be suitable for use in an RV where the 12v draw is greater than 10 amps.
yep. It's a hard limit of 10A on that 12V socket.
I dub these “the stormtrooper” power station.
😂😂😂
Haaaa....🙂
Have you tested the 4patriots generator
Did you mention that it can do solar and wall charging simultaneously?
Actually I did not. And it actually disables solar input when AC charging is detected...so you cannot use those 2 methods simultaneously.
Can you run 2 units for higher output?
Thanks for the video, informative!… Do you think I’d have enough capacity to run a bottom rung mini split??
Likely, as long as your mini split can take 110V without an issue. The bigger question is how long can you run. A lot of variables there (ambient temp, temp setpoint...cooling or heating mode, room insulation, etc.), so any estimates on that would be highly subject to variation. But for a rough estimate, say in your environment the compressor runs 50% of the time and pulls 600W continuous while the compressor is running. That would be 300Wh consumed...so with, say...1800Wh of usable capacity, that's about 6 hours of run time (with no other loads). And each expansion would add another 6 hours.
@@ReeWrayOutdoorsThanks for the info! I'll check with MrCool. Just can't beat the price!!!!
@@ReeWrayOutdoors You inspired me! I ended up ordering the Alpha 2000 and one battery yesterday on Amazon. Great deal!!! I heard back from VTERUN yesterday and they recommended I have TWO batteries if I plan on using the DIY 12000 BTU unit from MrCool. I spoke to MrCool and they confirmed it will operational on the 110v, no problem. Looking forward to getting it all hooked up and see how it performs (California desert climate near Joshua Tree) -- Still need to pick out solar panels .... 🙂
Are there app permissions? I only ask b/c I saw one app permission for a Ugreen battery that was so scary, it stopped me from considering it
That's a great question. One reason I bought my pecron was because of no app. Got enough trackers in my life. Lol
yeah - I think it really only needs the 'Find Nearby Devices' permission so it can establish that inital BlueTooth connection. But I understand your concerns there.
Man this price jumped sooooo quick....battery and all 😢😂
Yeah.... unexpected...and 😞
Currently unavailable on Amazon?
Never heard of them ..
Is the expansion battery cable the same as the EcoFlow xt150 expansion cable?
I checked and it's definitely not the same. Pins are pretty much the same, but in a different arrangement and the connector itself is slightly smaller than the XT150
@@ReeWrayOutdoors 👍Thanks for the info.
Is there a preconfigured plug to set this up as a home backup generator?
No, but I have a manual transfer switch and I have an adaptor cable that enables me to connect any standard 3-prong output to it. Still limited (in this case) to 20A, but it definitely works and perfect if all you want to run is a fridge and gas furnace blower in an emergency situation.
Their website doesnt even list the Voltage range & amps for the solar input. Can it be simultaneously be charged with solar and AC?
I did cite the voltage range in the review (10V-100V) and these all have variable current tolerance...depending on the input voltage..but we know that with an 800W max cap, if you were to input at 100V, the max current would have to be 8A. I actually didn't test simultaneous AC and solar charging this time around (getting careless, I guess!). It wasn't called out in the manual, so I'm not confident it will...but I"ll have to try it and see.
Ok, so I test simultaneous solar and AC charging this morning and it will disable the solar charging as soon as AC charging is detected. So no simultaneous charging from AC and solar.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors I had a feeling that was the case based on the website verbiage.
Did the coupon code expire, 😢
More oftennthan not, you get what you pay for when going cheap,
im sticking with bluetti
Competition is a good thing. Bluetti and Ecoflow need some. It keeps them sharp and holds down the pricing. So I look at it as you get your Bluetti at a fair price along with its top notch quality and other people who are not wealthy get to enjoy a power station at a reasonable price for them. It's a good thing for everyone.
Why are those 10 extra volts so hard for these power stations?
I realize 110 works fine for most purposes. But why not design 120V output? Is such a design more difficult or more expensive? Why do power station companies seem to prefer a 110V design?
@@bryanbryant9962 exactly
Can I charge the unit with 100 watts car inventor and 12 volts cigarettes charger at the same time ?
No. It will take either AC or DC but not both at the same time.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors
Thanks my order is delivered today but I’m not home to try it out
Hopefully im not going to regret it
I return BOUGERV 1200( $560) and get this thanks by the u
The order site is a hot mess. The single 2000 w unit is out of stock and backorder takes you to a dulled out page with no forward movement. And if you order with one EB module the prices mentioned are not available. Instead of the $1698 you quoted the price is $1999 with your discount code ($2299 - $300). Looks sort of scammish to me. Not sure the integrity of this outfit in case of problems.
Definitely not a scam... but it does sound like they've got an issue to resolve on the website. I'll try it on my end and try and contact them about it if i see the same thing.
I had the same issue. The primary unit price is $1129.42 and expansion battery is $868.58 when bought separate on their website total $1998.00 with discount code. Hard to believe inverter efficiency is bst on the market. They must underrated the battery size.
See you guys in 2 years after the warranty
How would you compare this to the Anker 767??
I think, over all, if the fairly sizable difference in price is not a problem for you, I'd personally opt for the Anker 767. A little easier to move around with the wheel and handles, Slightly higher solar input capacity, extremely quiet, more refined mobile app experience, and a 5 year warranty.
I hope my Ecoflow delta max 2000 & 2400 last after warranty….if not I may switch to alpha 2000…Ecoflow customer support has been undesirable by me.
no matter what I said the DC or AC time out to be, the machine stops producing AC or DC and turns off after a few hours. What is up with this?
Not sure. Perhaps a firmware update necessary? Probably worth reaching out to tech support.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors thank you.
What do you think about the Redodo battery?
I'm actually testing 1 now (24W 200Ah). No complaints so far. Seems like a very solid battery and not expecting any issues. Review coming in August. :)
@@ReeWrayOutdoors I look forward to it, looking to go 100% off grid next spring and would like to take a few power systems with, like stream generator and solar. After a while I’ll even phase that out.
Is it 240
Not sure if they make a UK/EU 240V version, but the US version is not.
Looks like a copy of the EcoFlow lol
@4:22 Yeah, but they work better when they're operated at 120 Volts AC 60 Hz. This is usually what the internal mosfet transistors and capacitors and IC chips are spec'd to operate at. Yes, these items are designed to (Tolerate) 100 to 120 Volts AC, but they run best @ 120 Volts AC with 20 Amps of current surging through them. Many of these solar genny manufacturers try to hide the fact by simply not listing or mentioning in their marketing material their AC outputs are lacking in Amperage (Read Current) handling capabilities. I have seen some power stations having AC output ports with current limitations as low as 5 measley amps ! 👎🏻That's simply ridiculous ! Anything less than 15 Amps on a 120 Volt AC outlet is pointless, and even dangerous ! Want to wear out your kitchen appliances at a 10 times rate ? Operate them undercurrent. If you want a nominal power station, which is guaranteed to have AC outputs which are stable and ample to their tasks, then you want an inverter unit which is rated to output 20 Amps of current at the AC output socket, and runs at 120 nominal and stable Volts AC. Anyone who tells you these ratings have no real bearing on how your stuff will run is not being totally honest with you, or they simply don't know what they're talking about ! Here's a tip. Look at where they AC output sockets are located in these solar genny product videos. All sockets which have "real" 20 Amp outputs will have one of the side tabs sockets with a horizontal stroke in it. Look for this. If they don't seem to really want to show you the back of a unit which has the AC on that side away from the camera, then that could be a red flag !@11:18 I'm not surprised at your unusually good AC efficiency rating of the inverter. The Solar Genny power station manufacturers are manufacturing more efficient AC inverters now because of the demand for running time versus battery size and capacity. People want more capacity at a lighter weight, which is a balancing act to achieve. I believe EcoFlow tops the market in terms of performance and capacity running times.@ 12:40 Uhh just a minute that's not quite what I want. What I want is the solar panels to turn the unit on and begin charging, but I also want it to turn on the AC inverter and begin outputting AC power once again as well. I also want to be able to program this in a phone app so I can monitor what's happening and when.
Too expensive.
your pricing is way off and its not available on Amazon. so much for credibility $2400 for the pair not $1700. huge difference mate
Sorry, this was Amazon US pricing. I apologize that I didn't make that more clear. I'm not sure if these are available outside of US and Canada yet.
I’m not happy with any of these numbers
Watch out this site is involved with price scam of this device. When you use the code provided you are not given the promised discount and the total is considerable higher. Beware of fraud. This may be inadvertent or deliberate deception by this youtube channel owner.
Wow...ok..I can appreciate your skepticism and/or caution...but I'm definitely not in the business of scamming people. I did get an email from this company this morning saying: "We regret to inform you that due to the current stock limitations, we may need to slightly reduce the scale of the ongoing promotion within the next 2-3 days. Nevertheless, your audience with the exclusive discount code will still be able to enjoy the best price available. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and appreciate your understanding in this matter."
I'll leave a pinned comment with this to let people now. And I do share your frustration...
I guess u would of told us if by making the panels that charge this 24 -36 or 48 volt up the limit of charging watts?
Well, you're still capped at an 800W max overall, and you can connect any arrangement of panels up as long as the input voltage is within that 100V max. Higher than that and you risk damaging the charge controller.
only accepting 800 watts of solar kills this deal for me
Yeah - perfectly fine for just the main unit...and 1 expansion...but more than that definitely hit's the limit with 800W max.