Why two men with the same haplogroup aren't related? | Genetic Genealogy
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- Each of us belongs to a haplogroup. Andy and his brother-in-law belong to the same haplogroup but are not related. How can this be? How accurate are the haplogroup callouts?
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Cool to see :)
I am from Norway. My paternal haplogroup is G-L30 (1 in 5,500
23andMe customers share my haplogroup assignment).
My maternal haplogroup is H1 (1 in 19
23andMe customers share my haplogroup assignment).
Hey Mads, are you an ethnic Norweigan? I am also a G male
I’m R-P312 too! I actually took the Big-Y test cause I didn’t have any matches. It placed me under ZZ12, a subclade of DF27, which is under P312
Howdy paternal cousin!
I also took the Big Y test last year to get a more thorough Y-DNA test and to find my terminal SNP. Below R-P312 I split off and go in another direction from you guys.
R1b>M343>L278>L754>L389>P297>M269>L23>L51>L151/L11>P312>Z290>L21/M529>DF13>L513/DF1>S5668>A7>Z21253> S7834 > S7828 > BY11203 > BY11186 (I do have three men sharing that terminal SNP R-BY11186 . One of them and I have a paper trail back to the same man! My 5th great-grandfather Isle of Skye, Scottish Highlands.)
A likely patrilineal ancestor of mine from about 400 years ago apparently had Y-DNA in DF27. What I'm not sure of is whether the Y-111 test is specific enough to place my DNA in DF27. I guess I'll ask FamilyTreeDNA but please let me know if you know whether it can.
@@FamilyHistoryFanaticsYou have no paternal linage as you are genetic woman.
Study your bone structure then youll find out😂😂😂😂
My paternal haplogroup is H-P96.. supposedly pretty rare. The funny part is that I'm part of a genealogy group for my surname ... and I'm the only one with that haplogroup... I know I'm related to my grandfather, but it seems something may have happened in the previous generation LoL
An NPE perhaps? (nonpaternal event)...
DNA has made it so that discoveries like this are more common.
@@hannibalbarca4372 True. I'm an Indian. My paternal haplogroup starts with H.
Your haplogroup H-P96 is a survival paternal lineage from European Hunters Gatherers.
@@FamilyHistoryFanaticsDiscover that your skeletal structure is FEMALE And you HAVE NO Y CHROMOSOME😂😂😂😂
My Paternal is E1b1b181 My dad was a Moroccan Jew and my Mum an Ashkenazi Jew with roots in Russia. My maternal Group is J something. Both my groups are RARE in Europe.
son your pop is the real hebrew .
your mom is a gentile.
European.
there is no such thing as Ashkenazi Jew or hebrew but converts. they are children of gomer who's father is Noah.
truth
Cool
E1b1b1 You are real Jew.
@Green-zw9pvno E is Arab haplogroup
I'm African American and my ancestry from my last name lands in Morocco so I'm assuming I'm a Jew from Morocco, our crest even shows pictures of what we look like. I can't wait to do DNA test. Much love and respect to your family
I am R-M207 and I don’t have any matching relative on familytreedna,, can you please tell me why? Even when it’s a major haplogroup with millions of people, other site have classified me as r-m479 :$
Can anyone help me with this.
I took the Y 37 test and find no matches even at 12 markers..
I was anticipating haplogroup J but it came back with R.
Shall I do the test again?
Hi brother. I know your feelings.
A question. Why u were anticipating haplogroup J?
If I don't like my haplogroup how can I change it?
Why don't you like it???
@@phihlellotheone8979 because I would like to have the haplogroup that is dominant in my country. I don't want to be like Hitli who had an African haplogroup living among Germans.
23andme-“We updated the paternal haplogroup algorithm to consider an expanded set of variants on the Y chromosome. As a result, certain customers will observe updated assignments - most often more precise ones. Learn more in the Scientific Details section.”
My son’s paternal haplogroup was updated from R-L21 to R-Y 4010. It is a lot more downstream from the original assignment. R-L21 to L226 to R-Y4010 according to my research.
Well, they keep changing as new data becomes available. Mine is still listed as R-P311.
Family History Fanatics- It looks like your paternal haplogroup is more ancient and the upstream of R- L21. My maternal haplogroup is R and I am Chinese(Taiwanese actually). R is pretty ancient.
LivingDNA has me about 4 steps further down (because they test more SNPs on the Y chromosome).
Both of my parent’s mtDNA came up as Haplogroup A2. I found this to be very interesting....
A2 is a large and ancient haplogroup. It probably is not rare for a random couple to share the same haplogroup.
@Hopeshadows84 Hopeshadows84 Not surprising since there are only 4 .
This deserves an update IF all the parties involved have done very. 5 now.
My paternal haplogroup is E-V13 (according to 23andMe),my Dad is from North Africa (Algeria) and E-V13 haplotype is rare in this areas ...E-V13 is more common in Europe,more specificaly in Greece and Kosovo.
You are nimrod descadant because nimrod. Gigamesh sargon akkad was this haplogroup
Also have Ev13 with armenian/ assyrian heritage
@@user-pl8kc2lo1r Armenian have 8 % haplogroup eb1b1 assyrian have 12 % eb1b1. Only azeri have 17 % haplogroup eb1b1
Cool
I’m new at this so please forgive such a sophomoric question. I’m looking for unknown family. For example, If I match someone as a 3rd cousin and one of our haplogroup matches (let’s say it’s maternal haplo group) does that mean we can disregard their paternal side because our paternal haplogroup doesn’t match?
Nope. When you cross autosomal DNA with haplogroup (y-DNA and mtDNA), you can't disregard the other side automatically. You could be related to DNA matches in multiple ways. The haplogroup only points out one of those ways.
Instead, you should begin clustering your autosomal DNA matches to see how people match each other. Then you can tell if one group is separate from another and if that group aligns with haplogroups.
WOW! I never thought about this. Nice one!
Hi Andy, I’ve recent received back my LivingDNA results and my Paternal Haplogroup is different from that of my Haplogroup with 23&Me.
My Paternal Haplogroup with LivingDNA is: I2 Subclade I-L596.
My 23&Me Haplogroup is: I-M170.
Andy, can you tell me why these Haplogroups are so different?
My Maternal Haplogroups with LivingDNA & 23&Me were the same.
I now look forward to your reply
Because LivingDNA tests many more SNPs on the Y chromsome than 23andMe does so they are able to pinpoint your haplogroup better.
My mtDna haplogroup is J2b1a2 (Norwegian/German)
It's an annoying mtDna haplogroup to have because there is Ydna haplogroup J2 which seems to get a lot more attention and research. Why do some mtDna and Ydna haplogroups have the same names when they're not related?
Did you fellows do a Big Y 700 test? Matching with anything less appears to be problematic for Y DNA.
Big Y test will find about 70,000 SNPs on your Y chromosome that make up your Y-DNA signature
I found a guy on 23 and me who shares less than one half of one percent of DNA with me, but we have the same paternal and maternal haplogroups. What is up with that?
Same Haplogroup means you had the same ancestor hundreds, maybe thousands of years ago. So Haplogroups do not account for all the other ancestors you had since then. That's why it is a a very small percentage of your total DNA.
Likely you have common maternal and paternal haplogroups. A happy coincidence.
My haplogroups are really uniqe in my area (central-eastern europe).
My paterial is Q-L804.
My material is X2.
In Kazakstan you will find the father of your Q forefather, Pm45 :)
www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L804/
Your TMRCA (Time of Most Recent common ancestor) is 3200 years.
www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml
I'm x3a.
you must be a hungarian. only a hungarian or a turkish would be that in europe and considering turkey is not in central europe, you are hungarian.
@@Berkh turkey isnt Europe its Asian be proud
You guys are part of the same Haplogroup R*. You are both in the same family and extreamly close related.
Haplogroups already have implimated rules on when a Y-Chromosome becomes so drastically different that it is no longer in the same Tree and is givin a new letter entirely.
Haplogroups were assigned as they were discovered. Some letters are closely related, others are not. My brother in law and I are not related for at least the last 500 (based on documentation) and probably not for a lot longer - perhaps back to the Anglo-Saxon invasion of England.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics That is incorrect. Have you not looked at a Haplogroup tree? If you have R* then you are directly related to everyone in that group. Weather it be R1, R1a, R1b, R1a1, ect.
Time does not play a factor in relation to lineage. Otherwise one could argue that they are not related to their grandfather from the revolutionary war because that was 300 years ago.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Also Haplogroups are Lettered based on gravity of the mutations from their ancestor group, not when they where discovered.
Example: When R* or its subclads became so drastically different from multiple mutations, to the point where they had less in common with the defining traits of R*. They removed the R entirety and labelled them with a new Letter as opposed to adding a new number or letter after the R.
This is how we got Haplogroup like P. Although P is from R, it's mutations are to dramatic to say they are in the same group.
So in 23AndMe version 3, 4, and 5 have different assignment of haplogroup. My question is, when there is an update every year, does the haplogroup assignment also gets update it?
No, but each new chip will be testing different SNPs which might change the haplogroup. If you delved into the SNPs that are different between 3,4,5 you could see how far down the haplogroup tree you could go. What you won't see is one chip saying you are in haplogroup R1b and another saying you are J2.
I have a question, how do haplos mutate, is it just random?
my father is R-L51 and my brother is R-DF88, which my brother's I didn't see on your chart. Both tested with 23andMe.
On 23 and me one of matches has the same haplogroup U5b1e. But he matches with me on my paternal side. Is that normal?
On 23&me,a person shows up as cousin. He contacts me and says his father is my half brother, sons of same father. My Y is I-M253. His is I-XXXX, four completely different numbers. How or where can I go to get the truth?
Check the amount of shared DNA. He should share about half the amount of DNA as a full cousin. The haplogroups are dependent on which chip was used to test, and they can be different.
Another way to check is see where the two Y haplogroup land on the haplogroup tree. If you are related, they should show up along the same branch. Maybe one is a step or two down from the other.
A question if I may. I tested with 23&Me about 8 years ago. My Paternal Haplogroup is J-P58. As I, and countless generations of my ancestry are Londoners, born and raised, I was surprised by this. The exact geographical origin of J-P58 is contested on the Internet. Would it now be worth my while re-testeing with 23&Me as the testing has developed since 8 years back? Would doing so give me more detailed information? Many thanks.
23&Me is the worst. For family tree results Ancestry is head-and-shoulders above the rest. For haplogrouping use FTDNA
@@rotagbhd Thanks for replying but Ancestry does not provide a Y-DNA haplogroup report. I alreadt have an extensive Family Tree map but thank you anyway.
My maternal haplogroup is H13 a2a. I tried researching already on the search engines but I’m confused any idea where it comes from originally. Thanks for any information
Did you look at the haplogroup reports on 23andMe? customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/235201447-Getting-Started-With-the-Haplogroup-Reports
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Thanks for the information, I didn’t see that link before I will read about it. :)
So....i am trying to figure this out...would the "HaploGroup" be more of a general you are related at "some point" and the subclade be a more..."your more closely related"? In your above example - the r-p311 are your direct relations.....the r-l51 seem related ...but just not as closely? so i guess I am asking if you meet a bunch of people that are R-p311 would you consider them MORE closely related? So...lets say I also...had R-P311...would be be basically closer cousins? I know the haplogroup string can be long....and the more you match the closer you are? So many people are r1b1....am I right in assuming that if you match the whole string down to the subclade you are pretty closely related?
Depends on how old the subclade is. If the subclade is 1000 years old, you may be related to them at any point in that 1000 years. Unfortunately, reliable records to corroborate a relationship only go back 200-500 years.
My paternal haplogroup is R-L20, I found a few persons that I was connected with through 23andme that share the same haplogroup, I understand now that they are not necessarily my close relatives, however, 23andme tells me that some of them are my 4th cousin, is this information reliable at least ?
They may be your 4th cousin because of autosomal shared DNA. They are the same haplogroup because of Y DNA.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Hi. I just did a 23&me how do I get move information on my paternal haplogroup I got T-L208 . Not much information online. Plus I can't upload to family tree dna
@@jbaron8120 You are a carrier of the Y haplogroup T, T-L208 is a subclade of T :
T (T-M184) =>T1 (T-L206) => T1a (T-L70) => T1a1 (T-M162) =>T1a1a (T-L208)
Please give some information about R2 haplogroup
That would be the job for the companies that text the haplogroups. Have you checked out their resources?
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I checked some indian government websites about R2 distribution among indian population
Greetings to all members E haplogroup from the E V13❤❤❤
Howdy
Hi from E-V32
I have the same Haplogroup E-P252 with a dna relative who shares
19cm and 1 segment. Family trees dont match up. Is it possible to still descend from the same Male Ancestor?
Too early for me. My sample is in transit now at 23andMe. Question: What version are they using now?? I am located in Belgium, same for my ancestors for more then 500-600 ytrs I already know. Did an autosomal before art My Heritage and found a 2-4th cousin tested at FTDNA, huis haplogroup is RT-M198.
23andMe is on version 5.
The haplogroup of your 2-4th cousin won't be the same as yours unless you are both related through your father's father's father's father.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Thank you Andy. The good news is there is a foundling involved haha.
My paternal Haplogroup is R-Z92, typical in poland where my father's family originated. However with my mother's side, it is marked as U5b1b1. The only subclade of U5b1 common in puerto rico where her mother was from is the west african U5b1b1b. Now, U5b1b1 and U5b1b1b are both seen among puerto rican relatives, but I just wonder why the same test yields a more specific subclade for certain people
www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_U5_mtDNA.shtml U5b1b1 : found across Europe and in the Maghreb / found in Middle Neolithic Czechia, and in Bronze Age Poland
My haplogroup on Yfull came out as R-A961 which is a branch several levels down off R-P312. (On MylivingDNA I come out as R-DF13 which is an intermediate between the two.)
Were you sharing or asking a question - Devon
Are you available for half hour or less consults?
Yes, email me andy at familyhistoryfanatics dot com
Haplogroup A-L1090 Is is possible to have a recent common ancestor with someone who is say an A-M31?
Depends on how recent it is. The haplogroup tree has ballooned in recent years, because of more extensive Y-DNA testing. That being said, as I pointed out in this video, the larger the sampling of SNP on the Y chromosome, the more accurate the haplogroup will be.
I don't know how many steps different A-L1090 is from A-M31, but if it is more than 2, I would say the chances of having a recent common ancestor with that different haplogroup are slim to none.
This is true, the relationship between two people sharing the same single digit amount letter haplogroup is going to be most likely a common ancestor thousands of years ago. You have to share a deep subclade with something 19 letters long for a real close match.
I'm trying to help a newly found cousin on 23&me who was adopted at birth. I had my dad's DNA tested and therefore I know his haplogroup. I know enough about my family tree to be certain that my new male cousin is related through my great great grandfather on my dad's side. I had thought (because of who else he is related to) that he came from a daughter of the common ancestor but then I found out that he and my dad have the same haplogroup. My dad is from a line of males from the ancestor so does that mean that this cousin is also from a line of males? I realize that there could be the same haplogroup for a different reason but does it make an unbroken male line the more possible explanation?
Any idea where R-Z16294 comes from?
www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z16294/
R-Z16294 is a downstream subclade of the main R1b haplogroup,more specificaly the downstream subclade of R-L21 ,The Atlantic Celtic branch .
www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml
Thanks Hannibal for helping me out.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics My pleasure, i learnt lot of things about genetic, DNA and genealogy on your channel.
I'm confused what happens if I do d a y-37 test on FTDNA and I got some matches because we share the haplogroup does that mean we're not related?
You are related. You share the same paternal ancestor. Cousins basically.
Same Haplogroup means you had the same ancestor hundreds, maybe thousands of years ago. So Haplogroups do not account for all the other ancestors you had since then. That's why it is a a very small percentage of your total DNA.
For every generation removed, multiply by 2. If you share the same paternal ancestor 20 generation ago, your autosomal DNA (total DNA) would match 1/ (2 to the power of 20) which is a very small number. For example with your brother you share 1/2, with your cousin 1/4 , father's cousin's children you share 1/8 etc..
In 23andme they put me under O-F1275 but in FTDNA and Genographic they put me as O-N5. My assumption is one has to do with when I took the test. I took my at Genographic when they came out with the 2.0 version. Then I transferred the raw data to FTDNA and had them look at my small Y like five months later they confirmed me with O-N5. Two have to do with the interpreter of the result. But then I came across two brothers who took it in 23andme. One was put under O-F1275 and the other one was put under O-N5. When I check on FTNDA O-N5 I test positive for O-F1276 and and only presume positive for O-F1275. Now I'm thinking maybe it is 23andme.
I bet you'll find that the two groups are linked in the haplogroup family tree. The two companies have different analysis to say where you land on the branches of the haplotree. But they really aren't that far different.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics So you the differences in the results has to do with the individuals analysis? Which company is more accurate base on your expectations?
I disagree. The Y chromosome is 2% of the entire human genome, so in essence you share from 1 to 2% with members of your haplogroup. We’re talking about unique pure mutations. To compare you share 12.5% with a cousin on the human genome, 3% with a second cousin and 0.7% with a third cousin, so genetically you are very close.
There is many studies which show the correlation between Y DNA and behavior, physical traits and diseases like cancer and etc. which I have collected but can’t share links on UA-cam.
We’re not even talking about the fact that the Yamnayas or Bell Beakers, or other tribes for most haplogroups were patriarchal and only let men into the tribe.
Will the oldest 1st cousins or any male cousins in the family be the same as our 3rd Great grandfather's and up and 2nd great grandfathers and down and father and Uncles and brothers if don't have any of them around to test a paternal haplo group?
For the most part, close male relatives should share the same y-DNA haplogroup. Now, mutations do happen so the subclades may differ. But those should connect into the same major haplogroup.
BUT, there are so many genealogy answers that can be resolved using autosomal dna testing. I explain the difference between the three tests in this video ua-cam.com/video/JX6VS_KxdY8/v-deo.html
I received my results within the last two months (23andMe), likewise a 2nd cousin once removed and shortly before that a second cousin from a third different grandfather. Two of us share the same ggrandfather and for the third the same man is his gggrandfather. We all are pathap R-S7834, and told by '23andMe' that it is rare. Our known common ancestor has no father of record (b 1820's) and is the focus of our search. A couple of other R-S7834 men predicted to be 4th cousins are known to us. My question is how likely are they to share the grandfather of this specific ggrandfather.
The problem with haplogroups, is they may be hundreds or thousands of years old. I don't know about the specific one you are, so you would have to dig into the scientific literature to find out roughly when that haplogroup emerged. If it is a very recent haplogroup, (last couple hundred years), then the chances of sharing a grandfather go up significantly.
Halpogroups are deep history,they show ancient migration patterns.
Look at the autosomal DNA for establishing relationships.
I think you should have your father get tested at the same company you were tested on, just to make sure bc it might be a case as Momma's baby Daddy's maybe...
Semitic Arabian J2 J-M172
many J2 found in Greek, Italian, Georgia and Turks, that’s weird.
I want to make sure am I really Semitic or not?
We know about ourselves that we belong to our great grandfather Prophet Abraham.
How to settle this?
No way to settle it.
There are many J2 male beside Abraham timeline, not just only Abraham. No way to settle it.
يا هلا بخوي انا اعتقد انها سلالة ابراهيم لكن ما واحد يكدر يحسم الأمر ؛خلك عن الذين يكولون بس جي ون عرب لو بس جي تو عرب هذول ناس مايفيد معهم الكلام لكن اغلب العرب على جي ون و جي توو و السلالة عمرها اكثر من عشر الاف سنه بلأخص جي تو عمرها ثلاثين الف سنه فبلطبع فيهم من كل الجنسيات و العرب بعض من فروعهم و ليس كل جي توو او جي وون و اناابن عمك امين التميمي من الأحواز و على سلالة جي توو .
@@amintamimi4148 مرحبا، لا يا عزيزي، العرب ليسوا عرقاً اصلاً.
العرب ا. العربية هي ثقافة ولسان، نحن احفاد الساميين من بلاد الهلال الخصيب، العراق والشام.
بالنسبة ل J1 هم كذلك ليسوا عرب. ويبدو انهم ايضاً من الساميين كذلك لاننا ننتمي سوياً الى J الذي تفرعنا منه. هم هاجروا الى اليمن ونحن بقينا في الهلال الخصيم وانتظرنا بعدها في جزيرة العرب وبقية العالم من جهة الشمال والغرب.
حتى الان الامور تحتاج الى مزيد من العينات والمزيد من الدارسة.
ولكن الصدمة كانت هي ان العربية لغة وثقافة وليست عرق. لا عجب ونحن واليهود ابناء عمومة.
@@NawafAlsulaiman لكن اغلب العرب على سلالة جي ون و جي توو
Very interesting! Nobody here cares what my haplogroup is👿
Acrtually, everyone on Earth is related. We are all one species, Homo Sapiens. I think people are confusing the sharing of surnames with relatedness. Two people can certainly be related, whether they have the same surname or not.
Usually when I am talking about relatedness, I am talking about having documented evidence of a relationship (i.e. records). For most genealogy purposes, no one can document a relationship past about 10 generations.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics actually, Somalis can document, with genealogical paternal lineage records, their relatives going back over 50 generations...arabs also can since they keep meticulous records of their ancestors through their lineages
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics you are discussing genetics and getting it wrong.
Stick to what you know
hi my paternal haplogroup is E-M183 and my maternal d4 ,23 and me gives me 100% european and 99% greek which was expected but sice they are north african and asian haplogroups i thought i should have at least some amount of african or asian since they are rare in europe???
Not necessarily. Haplogroups can easily go back thousands of years. So it may be that your 20th paternal great grandfather was north african and your 20th maternal great grandmother was asian, and everyone else was greek (which being the nexus of Europe, Asia, and Africa makes sense).
Almost all haplo groups are from Near East and north africa its just a question of when the spread occurred into different areas
In Greece, E-M183 could have come from the ancient colonies of Cyrenaica (Libya),Egypt or Levant during the Roman,Byzantine or Ottoman empire,may be your paternal lineage come from Libya.
My paternal haplogroup is E-V13 (mostly Balkanic and European haplogroup,23andMe didn't provide deeper downstream subclade),my dad is Algerian,mom is Russian,the autosomal result didn't show any greek or balkanic genes, (47.5% North African & West Asian,48.3% Eastern European,1.8% Iberian & South European)...some time,Y or mtdna haplogroup can show you something unexpected.
@@hannibalbarca4372 Yes, remember history, all of these empires had slaves, they slaughter the men and took the women as slaves. Connect it to document history.
You are of North African origins
*After my brother-in-law and "I" were tested *...
Can't help myself - my Mother drilled correct Grammar into me - "I truly am One of those - Grammar-Police" 😀
"My brothers and I"
... 😉
Grammar is subjective, we have been switching it up for thousands of years, I think the "me" is catching on.
Any info on k1a2?
Thanks!
You bet!
Interesting video! I have a question? My uncle (maternal side ) tested before me and his haplogroup was I and mine was I3 is that normal? Could that be because 23andMe used different chip?
Find out which chip they were using. It's in the info on the website it will say v 3, v4 etc.
A maternal uncle is not going to have your paternal haplogroup. He has your maternal grandfather's Y chromosome, and you have your father's.
E. Lee it says they used chip version 5. I don’t know which version they used for my uncle. Thank you for your reply
Elizabeth D I forgot to specify that I was referring to maternal haplogroup, not paternal. Thank you for replying
I3 is a subgroup of I. So that's not unusual. Sorry for the delay. Your comment was buried in the avalanche of comments that I have received.
Everyone with the same haplogroup shares a common ancestor
That's the theory but I shared why it isn't always that clear.
Sicily
Ydna R-L23
Mtdna X2
23andMe says my husband's Y haplogroup is R-L21 descended from Irish Y haplogroup R-M269.
A lot of the British Isles is of the R-M269 family (including your husband and me).
I am the same. I figure my Irish ancestor was grabbed by the raiding Viking and tooked as a slave (they did that) and brought him back to Normandy, France. Or he fell in love with a pretty Norman lady and followed her back to Normandy. Another possibility is, He stayed in France and his brothers and 1st cousins went on to Ireland and settled there.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics i am turkish but i have to RM 269
R-M269 actually originates in eastern North America and is a type of early R1b YDNA. That's why we only find R1b in the Western-most parts of Europe (they were master shipbuilders and sailors) and explains the high proportion of Rh- blood in some native American populations. Yes, the Irish and all R1b carriers are descendants of native Americans, prior to admixture with the darker-skinned Southern American natives, and other Pacific Rim populations. A native American tomahawk looks just like a Viking axe. When you do a little digging, it's amazing what's been covered up with this genetic lineage.
I am G-L30 from Western Norway, anyone else?
Only 1 in 5,500 share my haplogroup assignment, rip.
G are Anatolian Farmers I think, a lot in Georgia, Ötzi the Iceman, Stalin, Al Capone, Sardinia, Coricia, Tirol Austria... Traces back to a man who lived less than 17,000 years ago
I hope you'll find some connections.
It was found in Egyptian mummies
@@eytharburhan8869 interesting
So would it be safe to assume that my dad and a male who shows as a third cousin on 23andme, who also share the same paternal haplogroup of R-CTS241 with different maternal haplogroups should be from the same paternal line of the family? Problem is that this 3rd cousin's last name is the same as my dad's maternal grandmother's maiden name. I admit I have not talked to this 3rd cousin so I don't know anything about his family tree but is this something that happens or is it unusual? My dad's paternal haplogroup is the same as others with dad's last name but this 3rd cousin's paternal haplogroup does not match any others with this cousin's last name. My dad was just tested this past month (Aug '19) so I'm very curious about these haplogroups and am trying to learn all I can from them. Also are the haplogroup names uniform across the different DNA testing websites nowadays? Thanks a bunch.
Haplogroups can be several hundred or thousands of years before a common ancestor. So the haplogroup isn't really the important part in your case but the autosomal DNA that shows them as a 3rd cousin.
I am R-CTS241 too, I assume I am from Ireland or England. Great grandfather was adopted. Do you know if I am related to ui niail of the nine hostages that 23and me claims, or does anyone fall under that umbrella with m-269. I have researched that ui niail was m-222. Is R-CTS241 under m-222 or just under the original m-269?
I'm trying to find our relatives but the highest cousin in Gedmatch is only 40+ cms. Is it reliable?
Reliable as in do you really share 40 cM? Yes.
Reliable as in are you going to find out how you are related to this person? That is up to you to do the research but from my experience if you only have a 40cM match at most, it will be difficult. The good thing is GEDmatch keeps growing by about 1500 kits a day so new matches may pop up over the next months.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics do they update daily? My one to many has completed already do I need to do something on my part?
Yes, it updates daily, but I wouldn't necessarily check back daily. Wait a few months and see if anything new has popped up, then wait a few more months...
My daughter in law has only one match above 40 cm. I think you start to get iffy below 10cm.
How about for Females? My daughter in law is C1a and has no other matches with C1a. Is it safe to figure she has no cousins on her mothers, mothers, mothers etc side?
It is safe to assume that there are no cousins on that line who have tested.
It's found in the Tarim mummies of china
How far back?
@@sr2291 I'm looking for no father than 4th cousin. I am trying to establish who's on the mom's team, who's on the dad's team.
What does actually my genome means ? I’m a Russian guy , but I have R1b1 - m415. Does anyone know what actually is that ?
Genome is all of your genetic material.
R1b male is the ancient line of western Europe dna , Celtic, italic (pre Roman), basque vs Eastern Europe which is mostly R1a Slavic, North Iran, Kurgan.
Its still only conclusive to Geographic Region but when over time proves nothing.
Thats why Chromosome 11 and 15 is the Rabbit Hole exposing Oculus genes whited blacks. We can see the most obvious Inner Breed of Ethiopan with the OCA2-HERC2. This Variant being specific to the Chromagnon phenotype, not associated at all with the Northern OCA1 Asiatic Neanderthal phenotype. Two completely different white people!
You see, Oculus genes affecting Malanocytes is aligned with these Phenotype, but only present immediate migrational pattern in Haplogroup where we are drawing association Falsely by color of skin by what we observe in Region, lmao. A Science Fail because it does not align with the other two methods. Haplogroup is NOT cross platforming. And I believe I have the solution to find the real lines. The Supraorbital Brow Ridge.
It's actually impossible to not be related, WE'RE ALL DISTANT COUSINS
Genetically, we do not have all enough DNA to say we're cousins. Genealogically, if we had the documentation to connect us all, then genealogy research would be a thing of the past.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Adam and Eve
My brother took the 23 and me dna and his y haplogroup is R-z159 and Mdna is L3d1-5 . We are showing 80% West African and 16% British/Irish. My brothers are dark skin African Americans and so I am confused as to how we end up European unless we are not taking into account that the R group started in Africa and for many many years even Europe was inhabited first by Black people?
The haplogroup only gives information on your descent from one line (father's father's father... or mother's mother's mother), so it is only telling you that you had some European ancestors. Your paternal halplogroup indicates that at least one of these European ancestors is through your father's father's father, etc.
bisakah kita mengetahui apakah seseorang itu keturunan nabi muhammad atau bukan dengan test dna?
Itu pertanyaan yang sulit. Basis data akan membutuhkan DNA terverifikasi dari nabi (atau kerabat terdekatnya). Jika itu bisa ditegakkan, maka bagi sebagian orang, ya kaitan genetik bisa terbentuk. Namun, sang nabi hidup begitu lama di masa lalu, sebagian besar keturunannya mungkin kekurangan DNA-nya.
Jika ada keturunan nabi yang terjaga keaslian nasabnya dan para keturunan nabi yang asli ini melakukan tes dna, apakah bisa dijadikan pebanding bagi orang orang yang mengaku keturunan nabi muhammad? Dengan melakukan penelitian kekerabatan?
did 23 and me and national geographic.. hablo were the same except for a 4 at the end..said test whole geno..h6a1b4...23 and me was h6a1b...no close family members have this..
Mutations are made by the mother
I recently tested through FTDNA and received a "predicted" haplogroup of group R-M269. So testing additional SNPs will help me to receive a "confirmation" rather than the former?
Joseph Cullipher
Yes, because in many cases there are various subclades that have gone undetected so far by various population geneticist communities worldwide, it’ll probably be better to get additional SNPs tested. In my case, I received paternal haplogroup N-L665 through my 23andMe test which is highly unlikely given that N-L665 suggests common ancestry with the Nenets and Nganasan people of far North Siberia dating back only 1200 years. I channelled my raw data into morleytree DNA and I received N-Z4762 (N1*) which is far more likely for someone of Chinese descent (I am Singaporean Chinese) but overall Haplogroup N is still very uncommon for East Asians (3-5% frequency) as opposed to Turkic Siberians eg Yakuts (90% frequency), Tuvans (40-50% frequency) or Uralic peoples eg Nganasan, Nenets (100% frequency), Finns (60% frequency), but likely there is some undetected lower branch that I belong to because on WeGene it shows that some other marker beneath N1* is present but not very well known and calls for further additional testing. N-L665 in this case was a false positive.
In my opinion you could try to channel your raw data into morleyTree DNA and if the haplogroup you’ve been assigned to is the same, you probably do not need to do another testing for additional SNPs (because its quite expensive). Rest assured though the letter of the haplogroup assigned to you is most definitely true if you’ve tested negative for other haplogroups, its just the lower branches which are complicated to deal with
Joseph Cullipher
Also R is a very well studied haplogroup (in fact, probably one of the best studied given its demographics as a very common haplogroup amongst people of European ancestry), I doubt you’ll need to do further additional SNP testing.
I’m helping my bf look for his birth family and this is his group!!
Haha, either adopted, or a Maury situation 😋
Potentially
boy, I just realized this is a bad idea to do as a family. not how you want to find out that somebody is adopted or worse, born out of an affair.
Why not find out? Learning the truth is never a bad thing
@@keysortiz8849 Even if learning that truth ruins a family that would have been perfectly fine otherwise? I can't agree.
There are pleanty other situations in which a family doesn't tell each other the truth bluntly and it's for the better, helps it build cohesion. To have an actual family, you need to work at it and genetics is not as important as that.
Haplogroup E-V32? I have tried to search it couldn't find much info on the net.
www.google.com/search?q=E-V32&oq=E-V32&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.1318j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I found 6 million possible results.
I am E-V32 but I am northern east Africa
You can have a common ancestor without beeing related!
How this is possible?
Define related. Genetically, your common ancestors are biologically related. Genealogically - sure you can have a common ancestor that wasn't really 'related'. For instance - guardians, foster parents, etc.
I am in that haplgroup
A lot of Europeans are.
Hi. Thanks for the info.
A question. One has YDNA haplogroup J2. His 4th paternal cousin has YDNA haplogroup R. Is this possible? What are the explanations of this diversity?
A quick thought is they share the same historic y-DNA group of IJK with R branching of from K. That is rather distant in the past. It's possible that the algorithm misattributed the haplogroup or there is something unexpected in the parentage. Build a genetic family tree using autosomal DNA (and genealogy records) and see if you can figure out the issue. Y-DNA typically doesn't work in isolation of autosomal DNA.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics OK. Thanks
that autosomal dna related. I got many other haplogroup matches on Gedmatch&familytreedna.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Hi again.
What is the 'y-DNA group of IJK'?
Cuckhold
If every human shares Y-DNA Adam and Mt-Eve DNA, that means every human is related.
So is this is why me and Hitler have the same halogroup?
We answered this question during our livestream ua-cam.com/video/0mHoLmcvmws/v-deo.html
You should have done other tests with other companies to confirm what you say....but you say IF.
Chips and snips, what are you talking about?
SNP - Single Nucleotide Polymorphism. They are the locations on your DNA that are tested and reported in your RAW DNA file by the testing companies.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics what is a chip?
Especially rare haplogroups.
Northern Irish father & Swedish Mother
R-CTS241 & H3b
Definitely European haplogroups.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics I'm 100% european according to 23 and me :)
Any information on R-Z282 I'm 100% native black american. If I'm correct the male part of me is European and not African which as black man doesn't make sense.
Actually, it just means that your father's father's father's...had a Y chromosome that is much more common in Europeans than Africans.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics yeah I mean I'm over 20% white I expected that being I'm american but not that male lineage would be linked more to Europe than to Africa. It's just weird to wrap my brain around that the maleness of me is linked to Europe and not africa. I just thought my male lineage would lead back to Africa well because I'm a black dude.
@@mikemike7264 Think back to who would be having sex with who. Women, especially in the past, often don't get to chose who is the father of her children.
@@ELee-zv5ud women also like to select for status.
Blacks deep in Africa also have R1b dna.
What haplogroup are Somalis in general?
Somalis are mostly E1b1b (E-M215) carriers,and more specificly E1b1b1a (E-M78) carriers (80% or over)
@@hannibalbarca4372 I'm Haplogroup E-V32, what does that suppose to mean.
@@encrypted983
E-V32 is a subclade of E-V12 and E-V12 is a subclade of E-M78
www.yfull.com/tree/E-V32/
@@hannibalbarca4372 so the E1b1b and E-V32 are not related? Lol
@@encrypted983 E1b1b (e-M215) is the ancestor of all theses subclades
I have haplogroup RP311
Thanks for sharing
I have haplogroup ev32 which is a sub clade of e1b1b ..this haplogroup is associated with the spread of agriculture in Europe, the natufian culture of the levant who were the first in human history to create agriculture, ancient Egyptians, and much more
cool.
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics did anything I say end up being wrong? Appreciate your genetic knowledge so lemme know if you agree with the crux of what I said
Same E-V32
@@A.Muktar we ain't the same I'm Somali who carry the highest peak frequency of haplogroup ev32 and haplogroup t, in the world meaning my ethnic group is the most purest Cushitic group genetically.. while you are a Gaal Madow (black infidel pagan) dirty oromo... We ain't the same lad
Hi, I tested as R-FGC11908 which, according to what I’ve found, was a mutation that emerged back in 450 A.D. I’ve done a little research on one of my ancestors on my father’s side, which should mean I should share the same paternal haplogroup as that ancestor. What I found though is that not only do I not have the same paternal haplogroup as my great great great great great great great... paternal grandfather, but apparently my specific paternal haplogroup emerged around 500 YEARS BEFORE HIS! Let me say that again, my paternal haplogroup, the one that I inherited from my father’s father’s father’s father’s father’s... father, is *500 YEARS OLDER* than that of my father’s father’s father’s father’s father’s... you get it by now. How is it possible for my paternal haplogroup to be the ancestor of my ancestor’s own paternal haplogroup? Btw, if you were curious, my ancestor’s haplogroup was R1a1a1b1a3a1a and his SNP was FGC11892. My haplogroup is R1a1a1b1a3a1a1 and my SNP is FGC11908. The specific ancestor I was referring to was a Scottish warlord named Somhairle MacGillbride who lived back in the 12th century. His grandson, Domhnall MacRagnaill was the founder of the clan from which my Scottish ancestors hail. I know for a fact that I’m related to this warlord because I have the last name MacDonald and because reports of my ancestry have shown that I possess both Scottish and Norwegian ancestry. It was believed that Somhairle had viking DNA himself and this belief has been confirmed many times over. For many years now, I’ve attempted to trace back my genealogy to a single sept of the original clan. I wanted to know about my family’s history and learn about my potentially noble ancestry. Unfortunately, I’ve only gotten so far because I haven’t been able to find a lot of records about the parentage of my great great grandfather. All I know is that his name was James MacDonald, was born somewhere up in Canada, and married my great great grandmother Irene McGinn after they moved down to Maine. I don’t know the exact year James was born and I have no idea who his parents actually were. In a newspaper one of my family member found prior to my birth, James’s obituary stated that his father was Angus MacDonald and his mother was a woman named Mary McKinnon. However, I’ve done some digging on ancestry.com and found a census record dating back to the 1880s or so. In that record, I saw that James MacDonald was living in the same household as another potential father I’ve been suspecting for a while named Daniel MacDonald. The record suggests that James’s parents were Daniel MacDonald and Jane MacDonald (born Jane McKinnon to “Black” Neil McKinnon). Daniel’s mother and father were Hugh MacDonald and Jane Steele. The problem with both Angus and Daniel as potential fathers is the fact that James’s date of birth between both sources identifying these men as his potential father are not at all consistent. For that reason, I’ve had no luck in tracing my lineage back any earlier than James MacDonald, and no later than John of Islay, Lord of the Isles. I have no way to figure out anything between, and now this whole paternal haplogroup mess is just screwing everything up even more.
MacGillbride's haplogroup is not known because he was tested. But because several descendants of his were tested. More than likely, the tests that confirm his haplogroup, did not include the terminal SNP for yours, because that ternminal SNP wasn't known or tested at the time those other descendants tested.
Family History Fanatics So the reason that my SNP showed up as an ancestor to MacGillbride’s SNP might actually be due to the fact that no one with my SNP was actually tested?
Mine is R1a-z93 . What does that tell me ?
Probably Turkic
www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml R1a-Z93 is the main Asian branch of R1a. It is found in Central Asia, South Asia and Southwest Asia (including among Ashkenazi Jews). R1a-Z93 is the marker of historical peoples such as the Indo-Aryans, Persians, Medes, Mitanni, or Tatars. Z93 also pervaded the genetic pool of the Arabs and Jews.
So they dont tell the truth
No, DNA doesn't lie, but it doesn't tell the whole truth. These 2 mean are likely related, but just so far back that it's genealogically impossible to figure out how because we don't have historical documents that record everyone (nobles and peasants) that far back in time for every location around the world.
My DNA is E1B1B aka Cushitic True East African Somali
Why "the h*ll" do you need to have your DNA tested again? Do you need to buy another DNA kit and send in... just because they have changed how they work?
I send in my DNA to test a few theories. But no one really needs to send in another test to the same company for the same type of test results.
Two different nations.
Incorrect.
My mt dna is j1 no match at all . Where mt j1 came from
That haplogroup originated in Western Asia about 20,000 years ago: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267
Im a J1b1 !
Family History Fanatics she asked for mt-dna not for y-dna
How could you not be related if one have L1c which come from a African woman in Africa and a White woman have a Black African Maternal L1c, thats sounds crazy, smh I think your confused
Migration and intermixing of races thousands of years ago.
Lost credibility the second you said 23andMe.
How does 23andMe make me lose credibility?
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics might have somthing to do with the lawsuits against them.
I used 23AndMe and think it is awesome
@@Mads_Vel What you think is awesome is being sued for falsifying results and giving false medical instructions.
Im from Puerto Rico we have the same haplogroup RP 311
Because they dont say the truth
Nope. I think I made the case clearly in the video.