Why Do I Show "Sumolifts"?
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Honestly if only stiff bars were used, none of this bs would be relevant. A stiff bar makes such a huge difference its crazy
Or axle 😏
@@ASVAS yeah, a stiff bar would increase the lifting distance by 3 inches!!😂😂!
I like deadlift bars because I can lift more with them, but honestly don’t know if they should have ever been invented. Reason? It’s just not fair to compare lifts from 1960-1990 to what is lifted today.
@@TheJew-vc8qj wrong. Becauye sumo is the hardest from the floor, a deadlift bar gives sumo such an advantage, that the hardest part of the lift is simply made easiet
Everyone in the comp uses the same damned deadlift bar. Fair play.
Squat depth and deadlift stance are all we have to talk about now that bench arch is much less dramatic.
Honestly bench arch (when it wasn't limited) was the only thing that made an outrageous difference in how much weight was lifted. People overestimate how much more weight you can lift with sumo if you have good leverages for it. I believe people like Tyson Ridenour would still be elite deadlifters if they never switched to sumo. Sumo just adds some more weight to the bar so thats why they use it
@@razygdash I remember seeing Tyson DL 700ish conventional...depends on your build, it can help a ton, but who cares, lift the weight to lockout and get 2 white lights.
@@razygdashyou literally got it backwards lol Maddox does minimal arch but has the world record whereas sumo pullers inflate all the deadlift records
@@legrandfromage9682 Some sumo deadlifts are respectable... but not these ultra-wide stances with the most bendable bar possible and hardly any ROM... If i mimic their ROM in conventional stance, i'll be doing block pulls just below the knee.. i can definitely do +300lbs more...
nothing wrong with that, we have cleansed the bench to make it more respectable, we should do the same with squat and deadlift, then the sport will have more respect
As a conventional puller, I train sumo and conventional side by side for a few reasons. One of those reasons is that sumo deadlifting works some different muscles including strengthening your hip flexors, which help with a lot of other athletic movements, and in my case, helped me learn how to walk properly again after a motorcycle accident that crushed my femur in between by bike and a car. The hip flexor strengthening from sumo pulling helped me become a fully functioning lifter again, so in some ways, even as a conventional puller I owe my life to the sumo deadlift lol
I'll say this for sumo lifters even as a 305 kg conventional deadlifter in the past. It requires a lot more concentration of force at the bottom to get sumo lifts.
In that respect these guys aren't really cheating.
Shane hunt says sumo is harder for this reason
Dudes will literally bitch about sumo, and then go put on a DL suit that's so tight, it literally is painful for them to try and get down to the bar
And before you say "suits are allowed in the rules"
So is sumo
(Coming from a lifetime conventional puller)
Ok, but what if you show up in a sumo suit..? Like one of those fat dude halloween costumes Im talkin here.
@@RHLW haha now I want to see THAT
If sumo is easier, then conventional can just pull sumo to win. But they don't because it's not.
@@RC_EngineeringWhy do you think all the guys at westside were forced to widen their stances?
Bro literally described me
SUMO VAULT
I enjoy your videos. Many thanks for your effort.
Held 487 kilo with his bare hand
Thats insane 💀
and overhand grip
@@jdnwzrd
Thats a hook grip 🙄
Its the internet, has to be expected though.
Only betas expect things through the internet.
@@Wstarlights cmon kid get strong n stop crying 225 lbs lifter
Oh come on most people are joking. Don’t let them get to you. Your videos are great. People love to rage.
no🤟🏾
@@justman-br3cv wat
@@SandNebula232 HE SAID "NO".
@@TheJew-vc8qj hm?
no
Dude your fine. IDGAF if you post sumo or conventional lifts I just enjoy the content.
Tbf I think people in the comments are just memeing lol
I don t give a freak about sumo or not.
Thank you for all ur work
It's your channel. Stop caring what they think and just upload whatever dang lifting updates you want to.
After betas pull sumo, they care about what others think.
I attended a powerlifting meet recently (I don't know which federation) and asked one of the officials what he thought about sumo vs conventional, and if there was any plan to contest the two methods separately. He told me that their studies showed that one wasn't any easier than the other, as it took the same amount of force to break the weight off of the floor. I'm new to this, but seems to me that, yes, the same force is required to break the weight off the floor, but that sumo doesn't have to travel nearly as far after the break before the legs and back are "locked out". Also, with a narrow grip wouldn't the bar flex up more (lock out comes sooner) than with a wider grip? Maybe the difference in grip widths and bar flex is negligible, but I would think the ROM to lockout would DEFINITELY be different with the two styles, and that conventional would require considerably more movement and work....
People get caught up talking about ROM. The difference in ROM doesn't particularly matter. What matters is the sticking point in the lift. The hardest point in the lift. If you can get through the hardest part of the lift, you can complete the list. The remaining ROM doesn't actually matter. If you had to double the distance the sumo deadlift had to travel, it wouldn't actually make the lift any harder. Because if you're able to get it off the ground, generally you're able to complete the rest of the lift far easier.
lets first seperate the ultra low rom sumos from regular sumos.
lifts are limited by peak force outputs and not by having the bar move a few inches more. humans are able to sustain a contracting for much longer than required for the lift easily. its less of a rom issue as it is being in a more advantageous position for force output, which, for most people isn't too far off either way. but then u get into these ultra wide stanced people who's begins their lifts with their hips in such an advantaged position and =/.
Are wide grip pull ups easier than normal width? Stop obsessing over ROM
What is said is somewhat true, but I have missed a couple big pulls at lockout.
BREAKING NEWS: It takes the same amount of force to break a certain weight off the floor and get it to lockout!!!!!!!!
Don't hate the player, hate the game
I have mixed feelings. The short range of motion doesn't look cool. But wide stance looks epic. And it's definitely not easier, otherwise everyone would be pulling sumo like everyone arches benching.
🎯
If you're defending it because you enjoy the rage engagement, then keep it up. If you are doing it because you think those crying about it matter, you don't need to. They are either joking, or don't matter at all.
Some people being very strong in sumo does not give the technique more credit compared to conventional
I hope we someday see your lifts 💪
Sumo is fine, it's claiming that sumo is same as conventional that is not fine.
The event is called "deadlift." The argument never really was whether or not sumo and conventional are the same. What matters is the "deadlift" in the name, and according to USAPL and USPA rule books, you could technically stiff leg or romanian deadlift your attempt if you wanted to.
Beta lifting vault is my favourite channel.
I train both sumo and conventional.
That said not locking out 💯 in training is one thing.
Most sumo specialists shown on this channel use every trick in the book to make it look like a full lockout.
At the same time the level of judging seems pretty low in some federations. That's the main problem imo.
everyone bitch about every lift because they can't do what others can. that's it..
@lordmegatron6145 WRONGO!
I conventional deadlift 300kg using my penis alone. Be jealous.
Sumo is a joke. Has nothing to do with Jamal Vault
Don’t know who this channel belongs to…but his response was perfect and long overdue.
The problem I have is that it's well established sumo is easier biomechanically but you seem to argue otherwise sometimes. The data shows it's far more popular in 93 and below and above 93 you can clearly see that people like jesus simply don't have the ability or mobility to perform the sumo movement pattern effectively. Those that can, like Jamal or Grigsby or Colon seem to gap their competitors.
Aside from that, even if you argue they're the same on a stiff bar, it cannot be argued that they derive equal advantage from the deadlift bar. The fact that sumo disproportionately benefits from a deadlift bar is in itself a huge (separate) issue. Sumo is toughest off the floor while conventional is toughest around knee level or lockout so sumo obviously derives huge advantage when a deadlift bar is used as it effectively cuts the peak difficulty spot of sumo but not the peak difficulty spot of conventional.
the statistics were 80 sumo/20 conventional below 93 and 70 conventional above which is obviously not a small difference
@@senorgeese majority of 105ers also pull sumo
Where do people get this mobility argument? What data says 100kg lifters are unable to have mobility? You can bring up someone enormous as a straw man, but I promise most lifters over 93kg either have or could gain the mobility to do sumo. Do many people see a correlation between weight and sumo vs conventional, and start acting like that means sumo is objectively easier always because of some nonsense they add. Please become data literate before trying to use data to support what you already believe. (This is a comment about a lot more than lifting. The world needs to learn how to interpret data, because the vast majority cannot)
@@brianfox340 what is this nonsense babble? Lmao? Of course it's common knowledge when you put on hundreds of pounds of mass your mobility will suffer as compared to without it. It should be obvious a big SHW isn't somehow magically contorting his arms around his powerbelly to pull sumo stance.
Also, aside from that heavier weight classes correlate with taller heights. That means distance between barbell and floor is a smaller overall percentage of the overall ROM. Therefore, this is just making the opposite argument as the deadlift bar, an argument you conveniently ignored, where SHW are often on the far end of unoptimal leverages to where breaking the floor with sumo is harder rather than easier.
@@senorgeese k. Enjoy your ignorance.
We all know what Martina Bradley really does in her dark basement when she watches SUMO pulls in her frilly pink outfit
Bradley Martin gets his ass handed to him everytime
Trolls gonna troll! Keep up the good work.
Aw man, we actually got him to make this video. I feel bad.
If Sumo is so easy, why doesnt every lifter just do sumo by default?
The way people talk about it, you'd think it's free weight on your total
It's coming from spectators or gym rats who somehow stumbled onto lifting a ton of weight by luck and not really understanding physics or biomechanics. Sumo is extremely technical, and the difference between successfully completing a lift or completely bombing your attempt can be as small as failing to angle your feet just a bit more inward.
I like your videos :) ! Greetings from Brasil !
Its not really the uploads, for me its just the community not addressing the basics, sumo adds hundreds of pounds to your lift, its a fact, and many people are guilty of ignorance towards this fact. Of course that's not your fault, its legal, i get what the channels about, but all these new lifters cheating up 1000lbs bothers me, because their real lifts ain't close to that. You would get a lot less hassle if you addressed that its a cheat lift, or at least that it belongs in its own category.
How is your attention span so small you couldn't watch the entirely of the 1min video?
I mean first of all, what is a deadlift? It's picking up something heavy straight from the floor, and locking it out. How you do that will depend on the individual in question. Fact of the matter is, if your statement of it adding hundreds of pounds was a fact as you state it, where are the 500+ KG sumos? Are you telling me that people who would be capable of getting higher scores would think that sumo is "cheating" and therefore don't do it, while they don't seem to mind using a suit if allowed? It just makes no sense to me at all. There is just no logical basis behind your argument.
Sumo doesn’t add 100s of lbs. This is straight up misinformation. I know plenty of guys, both lighter and heavier, who are much stronger conventional. I know many who have very little strength difference either way. I know absolutely no one who pulls more than 100lbs more sumo than conventional.
The worst offenders are using straps and a whippy bar - not competition standard - to take full advantage of the narrower grip in a sumo deadlift. If you think guys like Jamal or Tyson wouldn’t be elite deadlifters either way, or that guys like Jesus Olivares, Andrew Hause, or Eddie Hall could even come close to their conventional pulls sumo, you’re lying to yourself.
@regsgrr- Krystov Wierzbicki and Jamal Browner pulled 500 at significantly lower bodyweight than Thor and Eddie. And raw with straps if im not mistaken.
Sumo and Conventional are simply different lifts and should be treated as such
(Yes they were gym lifts but do you think they were fake plates?)
I really have no idea how seriously limiting your ROM for a lift could even bring up the question that it makes the lift easier....its basic physics. It baffles me that people will fight so hard to defend something that goes against basic science. Sumo is an extended rack pull, and in the higher weights, it DOES add hundreds of pounds. Jamal is a sub 800 puller conventional, he stands like that to limit his ROM....what are you people on? 😂 its anywhere from 15%- 25% that it adds, this is known in the non delusional community. Jeez.
Differentiating with commentary is more important
If powerlifting wants a chance it needs to remove sumo, every normie watching it thinks it's completely laughable and rightfully so
Wants a chance at what? Olympics? To be taken seriously?
i will find you in person and i will threaten you to go to a all you can eat restaurant with me and eat till one of us tries a
sumo deadlift pr
Show SUMO POWERCLEAN.
Because you're an observer, not an athlete.
I don't understand why sumo is trashed upon but the same people will praise a Deadliftsuit pull. They're b both impressive don't get me wrong but one is literally using outside help
Sumo lifters like chorizo
Do conventional lifters not? I thought everyone liked chorizo...... But maybe it's just because I pull sumo.
@@brianfox340 I mean you fill comfortable opening up your legs wide spread eagle chorizo comes next
Hi
only pull sumos beta
Only betas pull sumo, thats the way it is. Nobody disagrees with them being legal with current rules, but you can't force people to think its equally impressive to conventional
Getting tired of these sumo haters, like y’all got nothing better to do???
You've posted 2x as many conventional deadlifts in the last 3 weeks compared to sumo. Guys crying over nothing
Sounds like the people who after decades of eating unhealthy they bitch they got sick after they ate a broccoli once 😂😂😂
Threatening to unsubscribe over a sumo deadlift video. If trivial issues like that have someone worked up then they are living a blessed life.
Its not cheating some people just have better leverages. I pull sumo and not that much 700. My conventional is 650ish. Some people are built to pull sumo. Plus tren helps 😂😂
Imagine admitting to pulling sumo😂😂😂
@tylerhavok8853 not as bad at worrying about what another man comments on UA-cam. Now that's embarrassing 😂😂 make pulling sumo awesome. Sorry bro
@tylerhavok8853 but since you wanted to comment what is your pull? Sumo or conventional?
taller people benefit less from sumo. the wider the stance, the less knee bend required, but taller athletes will have their feet touch the plates before they are able to get the same angle as a short athlete. That's why you get these manlet sumo specialists.
Oh cmon. We’ve seen you raging in the comments defending these ridiculous lifts.
Correct my brother in iron keep preaching the lifting gospel 🙏
Nothing wrong with sumolifts. Just don't call them deadlifts. Its a different exercise.
gosh, i guess deficits deadlifts aren't deadlifts or any variations of deadlift
Can we just call it the betalift already.
@Wstarlights No one’s stopping you,
Noo i thought it was deadlift, seems that i have been alivelifting all these years.
Only betas pull sumo 🙏
We all know what you really do when you watch SUMO pulls Martina - how DISGUSTING - YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF SISTER 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👸👸👸👸👸👸🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Sir, I am grateful for you. The world needs to see the truth.
@@catsandbarbellsthey do my brother in iron and every day another brother see's the light and starts to deadlift properly 🙏
@@catsandbarbells Martina is a girl who lives in her parents basement - she is the complete opposite of a Sir
How much do you lift?
Sumo is not a real deadlift
Amen my brother in iron keep preaching the lifting gospel 🙏
See the problem here is that those of us with the balls to enter actual powerlifting competitions instead of crying on UA-cam have sacks that aren't going to fit in a super narrow stance.
I lift more on close bench press , i do sholder presses for upper pecs and inclines dips also. Whatever is better for your body
Bench sumo if you're feeling beta.
They unsubscribe after you post a video with someone deadlifting with sumo technique?
Funny xD
The main factor, that makes me being fed up with watching your channel is the fact, that you don't shadow ban these agressive ignorants talking the same ignorant bull***t under each upload.
You got your feelings hurt? What does the comments on the video got to do with you watching the video?😂
@@paul111287 ?
Don't scroll down then little one
Thumbs down beta sumo puller
So many weak crybabies in the comments, Sure sumo is differenziert but still fucking hard and way less forgiving and more technical thanks convi.
Lifting vault Keeper up the great work
No
Yes
Hating for the sake of hating is bad, but you have to adress the criticism around powerlifting too!
I tried to address the criticism many times but unfortunately logic does not work on them
He's done it a million times bruh
How can people sleep at night after lifting like that?😂
Ego my brother in iron 🙏
quite well actually, because I don't allow my self worth to be determined by the stance of my deadlift. Some people are just insecure I suppose.
900 lbs is 900 lbs. I've rack pulled 700, and respect the fortitude and strength required to pull a heavy weight, no matter how someone does it. Everyone whines about it. But Jamal also pulls 900 conventional? How weak of him?
Only betas complain about how other people are lifting. Put up or shut up
facts
Sumo doesn't use as much back, and that's why small men and women use sumo to get PR's. They wouldn't be able to do it conventional because their back isn't strong enough. It's especially prevalent in women.
In my homeland there is a saying: "The exceptions to the rules prove the rule😂
@@a-a-rondavis9438 alright. I'll bite. Stefi Cohen pulled high 500s at 130ish sumo. Within rule sets and pulling to her body type. It's an objectively impressive. My argument is and always will be, heavy weight is heavy and context is also a consideration, but 900 solid ass lbs or 410 solid ass kgs is freaking remarkable no matter how its done. And in different weight classes, and different ROMs, it doesn't necessarily change. Just awesome is awesome. We shouldn't be looking for reasons to tear down. We should be stoked for the person and build up.
The "sumo is beta" first commenter is a baby back b1tc4. We gotta police the toxicity. Everyone who is doing their thing and getting better is a hero especially at the high end. Otherwise who do we look to for inspiration to do better within ourselves?
@@alexschutz7283 These ultra-wide sumo stances with the most flexible bar possible are not respectable... 🤷♂😂
Hi guys
Welcome back to Lifting Vault
Only girls and gays pull sumo
Why do you sumo show lifts ? Only betas sumo shows 🎉
sumo looks stupid
What disgusting pulls, manlets 🙏
It's crazy how cronically online you are always being one of the fastest commenters just to hate on sumo 💀
@@razygdashyes cuz he has no life
@@razygdashnah liftingvault always uploads his videos at a certain time so if you watch UA-cam during that time it's easy to catch a upload within 5-10 minutes. Case in point I got here 12 min after it was uploaded
How do I know this? Because it always happens to me and I've often thought to myself I could be the next martinbradley 😂
We all know what you really do in your dark basement when you watch SUMO pulls Martina - how DISGUSTING - YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF SISTER 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👸👸👸👸👸👸🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@samj8932 you have a brain my brother unlike the triggered sumo betas who say i have no life because i tell the truth every video yet they bite on every one of my comments and also write more words than me to 🤣🤣🤣🙏
Pretty sure sumo is legal.
Regular deadlift is superior to Sumo deadlift.
Because lifting vault is a beta.
Actual video title: "Angry beta sumo supporter, criticizes angry critics of beta sumo pullers"
if you justify this, you are against the truth👎🏿
Your truth is based in falsehood👎
if you justify this, you are against the truth
Sumo lifts are lame
Correct my brother in iron keep preaching the lifting gospel 🙏
i like your channel, I don't get angry with you ❤️ but only betas pull sumo 😂
first
Sharing sumo lifts are fine. Just don't call them deadlifts
Time to go after Chuck Vogelpohl for sumo squatting. What a beta.
Only betas squat sumo.
Only betas pull conventional 🙏🏻
What are you even saying??
Only *Alpha's pull conventional.
@@Nirsterkur what are you saying? Are you OK?
sumo🤡🤡🤡👎🏿👎🏿👎🏿🤮🤮🤮🤮
Your a hypocrite. Then why do u show 2/3 Sumo?
Because that’s what people are doing
There is so much soy beta manlets resorting to sumo my brother in iron 🙏
Because 2/3 of lifters pull sumo
@@LiftingVault why do you show whippy bar figure 8 / strapped Sumo lifts when they have nothing to do with "powerlifting rules" hypocrite?
@@joebot9309 why are you watching the channel at all if you're this stupid?
Don't worry bro, we know you pull sumo too 😂
If it's not sumo
It doesn't count