It wasn’t until I finished the video that I noticed that this is your first video. The graphics, narration and pictures chosen were so on point that this seemed like a big channels production. Awesome work, can’t await your future projects/videos!
Thank you so much! I tried to put everything I know about video making into this piece - and that's also the idea going forward. Glad to hear you like it!
Very interesting! I live in Hamburg and worked in the city nord for some time. Always wondered, why it looks so unfinished and empty. So happy that the highway did not became reality!
wow, you really put a lot of effort into your debut video. The visual effects and the camera angles are really good. Even that it's clear to see which other content creators you've taken orientation from and who you've been inspired by. I'm impressed.
Extrem starkes Video. Der Einsatz der KI-Stimme ist doch mal eine gute Anwendung neuer Technologie. Vielleicht könntest du in einem kommenden Video dich mit der Autogerechten Stadt generell auseinandersetzen, wie sie zum Beispiel in meiner Region Braunschweig, Hannover und Wolfsburg umgesetzt wurde. In Braunschweig wurden große Teile der Altstadt, die den Krieg überlebt hatten für den Straßenbau abgerissen. Hannover war ja die Blaupause für die Entwicklung und Wolfsburg heißt wie das ortsansässige VW-Museum mit Spitznamen „Autostadt“. Damit zusammen hängt in Braunschweig auch die Weststadt, einst eines der größten Baugebiete der BRD für über 20.000 Menschen, die jetzt nach etwas über 30 Jahren schon wie viele Siedlungen der Zeit verarmt und runtergekommen ist. Aber teilweise wird auch versucht, die Fehler wieder gutzumachen. Ein besonderes Projekt, das man im Auge behalten sollte ist das Bahnhofsquartier in Braunschweig, wo die Architektur der 60er in den kommenden paar Jahren abgerissen werden soll und durch menschlichere Maßstäbe ersetzt. Über die Weststadt und insbesondere das Braunschweiger Bahnhofsquartier ist außerdem viel online. Eventuell ist das wirklich einen Blick wert. Danke fürs Lesen und weiter so! Grüße
Very nice video! I live in Hannover and there are some big protests going on because the city wants to enlarge capacity on the city highways from the 60s. It would cut through neighborhoods even more so it could be interesting for a future video
Never expected to see a video about a place i used to work in almost two decades ago. When i commuted to City Nord (Edeka Zentrale) i remember trying to avoid all pedestrian overpasses in winter because the tall office buildings around them would basically funnel the harsh cold wind and snow straight onto them, which felt like walking into an ice storm. Shredded one of my umbrellas as well. The entire area used to be the perhaps most pedestrian unfriendly place in the whole of Hamburg, which is especially unfortunate considering it's right next to the city park which is super walkable. I'm glad it's slowly changing.
It took me the whole video (when I went to like it) to see that this has barely any views and that it is your first video! Definitely deserves to go viral with the correct audience, it's well written, informative and also amazingly edited!
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it! I'm mostly starting this to have a place to pour my creativity into and hopefully make some people learn something new in the process :)
A thing not often noted (like in this video) is the fact that the destruction of cities was often overstated to get radical projects through. For example a whole medieval quarter which survived the war was destroyed. It was often done to poor section of city, because they couldn't defend themselves.
Amazing first video. I've worked in the city nord for one or two years, never quite new much about it's history. Car infrastructure was clearly overbuilt, besides that it felt reasonably nice.
This was an incredible first video, I'm so excited to see more of your content! There are so many videos about North American city planning but not a lot to be found about Germany. I always found it so fascinating how incredibly carbrained we were as well (ok, some of us definitely still are) but how many of these crazy ideas luckily weren't built. Well anyways you got yourself a new subscriber :D
Thank you so much! This channel will def be more Europe-focused (next video on a project in Berlin probably), as I also feel that's a perspective that's lacking.
Ich seh beim Pergolenviertel städtebaulich sowohl gute als auch nicht so gute Dinge, aber im Großen und Ganzen auf jeden Fall ein gutes Projekt. Und natürlich vielfach besser als eine breite Verkehrsschneise aus Beton :)
Das stimmt. Ich finde aber dass Hamburg sogar eigentlich ein üben ganz guten Job bei der Stadtplanung macht. Grade auch die neueren Teile der HafenCity (bis hin zum Elbtower) gefallen mir sehr gut.
@@RasmusWitzig Ja, städtebaulich ist das wirklich überdurchschnittlich, was Hamburg macht. Leider ist die Schattenseite eben, dass das nur möglich ist, weil Hamburg auch vergleichsweise wenig in den Sozialen Wohnungsbau steckt. In Hamburg richten sich überdurchschnittlich viele der neugebauten Wohnungen an die oberen Gehaltsklassen. Die HafenCity wird nur in den ersten Jahren noch ein wenig soziale Durchmischung bieten, aber es ist jetzt schon absehbar, dass auch die wenigen Sozialwohnungen dort nach Ablauf der Förderung unverzüglich für Besserverdiener limitiert werden durch massive Mietsteigerungen. Wirtschaftlich wird die HafenCity langfristig ein großer Gewinn sein für Hamburg, aber aus Sicht der Stadtplanung setzt man sich eine künftige Wohnstadt mit sozio-ökonomischer Monostruktur in das urbane Herz. Salopp könnte man es auch als kommendes Ghetto der Reichen bezeichnen... Hamburg hat leider eine lange neoliberale und kommerzorientierte Tradition in der Stadtentwicklung. Liegt auch in Hamburgs Historie als Kaufmannsmetropole begründet
@@purplebrick131 Klar gern, wird aber etwas länger :D Einerseits die sehr langen durchgehenden Fassaden. Durch die Backsteinoptik wirkt das für mich wie eine Stadt aus Mauern. Ich war mal im Pergolenviertel und es hatte für mich einen gewissen Gefängnisinnenhof-Vibe. Generell fehlt den Fassaden der plastische Charakter. Wie gesagt, Backsteinoptik ist schön, aber die Fassaden wirken wie eine 2D-Leinwand, an der man abprallt Zweiter Punkt, der mir nicht ganz gefällt, ist die sehr willkürliche Ausrichtung der Gebäude. Diese schiefen Winkel interagieren kaum mit der Umgebung, sondern stehen nur für sich selbst. Aber wenn man schon so schiefe Winkel benutzt, warum ist dann das eine Zeilengebäude an die Kleingartenanlage rangeklatscht wie eine große Mauer. Das ist wirklich schlecht gelöst. Ich sehe einfach kein wirkliches konsequentes Konzept dahinter. Klar, Pergolen sollen für eine gemeinsame Identität und Wiedererkennungswert im Quartier sorgen, das funktioniert, aber ansonsten dominiert leider die Willkür und das ist aus städtebaulicher Sicht immer ein schlechte Zeichen. Letzter Punkt sind die Räume zwischen den Gebäuden. Der Winterlindenweg ist quasi zu 100% versiegelt und wird von ruhendem Verkehr beherrscht. Ein für mich sehr abweisender und menschenfeindlich gestalteter Raum. Ich verstehe nicht, wieso man ein so modern wirkendes Quartier entwickelt, aber dann mit einer Freiraumgestaltung aus dem letzten Jahrhundert um die Ecke kommt. Da hat man wohl keinen Bock gehabt. Heutzutage plant man entweder Tiefgaragen, Quartiersgaragen oder eben wenn es unbedingt Parkplätze sein müssen, dann wenigstens begrünte Parkflächen. Der Winterlindenweg ist eine Vollkatastrophe, man muss es so hart sagen. Aber es gibt auch positive Aspekte :)
Erst einmal super Video, mega interessant. Ich studiere Stadtplanung in Hamburg, beschäftige mich also sehr viel mit der Thematik und habe trotzdem noch Nichts über das „Große A“ gehört. (warum eigentlich nicht?!) Ich lebe im Westen von Hamburg in Ottensen, wo in den 70er Jahren etwas Ähnliches geplant war. Hier sollte unter anderem die „City West“ entstehen und das historische Viertel ersetzen. Als dies nach starken Protesten scheiterte sollten Autobahnzubringer quer durch Ottensen gebaut werden, um die Innenstadt besser an die A7 anzubinden. Auch dies scheiterte zum Glück an den Bürger, unter anderem durch Hausbesetzungen. Stattdessen wurde das historische aber marode Viertel Stück für Stück saniert und zählt heute zu den schönsten aber auch teuersten Vierteln der Hansestadt. Wäre sicherlich ein Video wert :)
Sehr interessant! Hast du dazu einen Artikel? Wenn dich die historischen Pläne mehr interessieren ist der Spiegel Artikel von damals (aus dem ich auch im Video zitiere) auch echt interessant.
@@brianalexeu gerade was vom Abendblatt aus 2014 gefunden… Im Endeffekt dürften die Einbahnstraßen zwischen Ehrenbergstraße und Bleickenallee ein Relikt davon sein. Die ganzen Rückbau-Projekte derzeit in Altona (Louise-Schröder-Straße, Königstraße, Reeperbahn, Max-Brauer-Allee Süd) räumen im Grunde auf, was damals als Vorgriff zu viel gebaut wurde.
@@brianalexeuwenn du dabei bist, guck dir auch mal die Pläne der Neuen Heimat zu St. Georg an. Müsste Alsterzentrum heißen wenn ich mich nicht irre, komplett crazy
In the city of Nuremberg they actually built a highway like road after the 2nd world war and burried an old canal to cut through the city. It's called the "Frankenschnellweg". Nowadays some people wanna burry it and others even say they should demolish it and bring back the old canal
Canals make cities more interesting. I’ve seen cities that couldn’t afford to build new roads and bury the canals. Today, these places are much more pedestrian-friendly than others!
Den Frankenschnellweg komplett zurückzubauen wäre der verkehrstechnische Tod Nürnbergs. Von daher gibt es effektiv nur die Option die Strecke in einen Tunnel zu legen. Den gleiche Fehler wie in Hamburg, nämlich zu wenige Parkplätze anzubieten, macht man hingegen in Nürnberg auch bald in Lichtenreuth. Das wird spannend...
Thanks. One thing you may or may not know about the Interstate highway system in the USA is that it was NOT originally supposed to bulldoze through cities. You said it right in your discussion: it was supposed to connect cities by going near them. A primary function was borrowed from Germany to be a network for the military during emergencies. So there were supposed to be circumferential roads and perhaps a spur into the city. A few cities in the USA are now removing freeways to replace them with neighborhoods or parks. I'm glad Hamburg has found a way forward out of - shall I say it? - the idiocy of the past.
Sehr cool gemacht! Interessante Informationen zu meiner Pendlerroute und meinem Arbeitsort. Die Citiy-Nord ist ein menschenfeindlicher Ort. Die City Süd kaum besser. Wäre in der City Nord jedoch ein Wohnviertel entstanden, hätte Hamburg sicherlich keinen innerstädtischen Flughafen mehr, aufgrund von Fluglärmprotesten. Und zum Thema alternativer Flughafenstandort für Hamburg: Da scheinen noch nicht alle Pläne begraben zu sein. Wenngleich sich nach dem BER-Fiasko da wohl so schnell keiner rantraut. Und ein Fun-Fact: die vielfach gerissenen und verschobenen Waschbeton-Gehwegplatten der Coty Nord aus den 60ern stehen unter Denkmalschutz während Gebäude mit Gründerzeitfassaden nach wie vor legal oder illegal abgerissen werden.
Very interesting topic. Living in Hamburg for a decade in the Walddörfer area, its always nice to learn about something and its history. To imagine a highway through the city nord sounds terrible to me.
Great video! Glad YT recommendet it to me! I subscribed and look forward for more content! If you're ever in Berlin, let me know :) (Deutscher hier :D )
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Thanks for the great video! I work right there in the City Nord on the mentioned U5 metro line (if you plan a video on that, let me know) and I cycle through the Pergolenviertel everyday on my commute. And yet, I didn't know this area was planned to become a highway. I'm more than happy that didn't happen.
There also was a project in Lausanne-Switzerland. You can see traces of it around Lutry. It would have destroyed the lakefront. Fortunatly there were protests and the project was abandonned leaving a comically oversized junction.
Hi, first of all, wonderful wonderful video! I'm so glad we now seem to have someone talking about German urban planning as well, and I wish you all the best going forward. Subbed and bell'd :) Secondly, I study urban planning in Lübeck and had the opportunity to talk to the quarter managers on an excursion there once. The parkin in the central courtyard is also because they haven't yet begun to charge for on street parking, which they will soon do. They themselves don't know how it'll affect it, but it surely will. In theory these people are supposed to park in the very large parking structured for the city nord that aren't anywhere near capacity atm.
Mega starkes Video! Ich hoffe auf mehr :) Es macht mich sehr glücklich, dass immermehr Leute gegenüber den stadtplanerischen Fehlern der 1970er Jahre aufwachen und hoffe sehr, dass selbiges bald mit der schrecklichen Nachkriegsarchitektur folgt, dessen Lehren in architekturkreisen ja leider bis heute als Magnum Opus aller Architekturepochen gelten. Umso froher bin ich, dass das Thema hier zumindest mal angerissen wurde :) Falls du dich mehr für Architektur interessierst kann ich da auf jeden Fall den Kanal "The Aesthetic City", sowie die Online Präsenz des Vereins "Stadtbild Deutschland" und "Architekturrebellion" empfehlen!!
Talk about about a bullet dodged!😅Das ist (fast) meine Nachbarschaft! Ich gehe dort oft mit meinem Hund spazieren und ich bin sehr froh das es keine Autobahn ist. Übrigens ist der „Hauptplatz“ in der Nachbarschaft jetzt fertig und wird mit ein bisschen mehr Bepflanzung sehr gut aussehen (IMO).
I would like to add another interesting fact. The part on which the pergola quarter was built formerly belonged to the Barmbek district. It was then added to the wealthy district of Winterhude in order to achieve higher rental prices. That’s how it works in Hamburg. 😂 Thank you for the interesting video.
cool! nice video man. I think that the arches being "a nod to traditional architecture" is a bit overstated. For the developers to claim to understand that people want historic influence in architecture (more dynamic and varied buildings with unique character and human scale ornamentation) and then implement arches of plain metal or plastic seems like a bit of a piss-take. I appreciate that they have built it as more housing is important, but i would rather they not pretend about its historicity using hollow marketing speak. If we really wanted to take inspiration from older building styles like on Deichstraße or in old cities internationally, we would build a mix of narrow and wide streets with shopfronts and houses. A mix of open spaces and closed spaces can really benefit atmosphere, but the building style of uniform structures in empty green space gives a less personal feel. The access to transport and all of the social housing is really amazing and should be the first priority before others, but I'm sure that more can be done in terms of style.
Very nice production quality. The only problem with the new residential areas I that have (aside from the price, lol), is that the design is lackluster. There are some architectural references, but for the most part they are just... Brick boxes.
This is somewhat true. Whether you're in Malmö, Hamburg or Antwerp, new residential developments tend to all look the same. There are some nice examples of modern construction replicating the historical fabric of their city though (like the new old town in Frankfurt). Might be an interesting topic idea!
In Hamburg, a lot of mistakes were made in urban planning in the post-war period. On the one hand, there are office districts such as City Nord and Hammerbrook and on the other hand, there are too many purely residential areas such as Eidelstedt or Horn, which have no urban highlights or opportunities for leisure activities and work nearby. Hamburg is also a city with a huge suburban area. Fortunately, this has been recognized as a problem in recent years, and there are calls to implement the idea of the 15-minute city. New districts such as the Pergolenviertel are a start, but in my opinion they do not go far enough in terms of planning and implementation. New, attractive sub-centers need to be created within the city area, because currently everyone who can afford it, is moving to the districts close to the city center. We need to actively counteract this monocultural urban planning of the last few decades.
I think it's pretty safe to say much of the damage to European cities was not only done during the war - but also in their "rebuilding" (which often involved destroying even more).
great video, Brian! I really like to compare how German cities were rebuilt after the devastating war. Those neighbourhoods look like a lovely place to live, I just don't see that many shops and amenities like grocery shops, pharmacies, bike shops, bars, minimarkets, restaurants, etc. Are they bound to arrive or that development isn't really mixed use? (which would be a shame)
Some things are there (like a café) and I think some things are coming, but unfortunately Hamburg very much doesn't do mixed use very well. There are tons of neighbors that while dense, only contain residential
As someone who listens to videos in the background, I'd suggest that it's more value to the viewer to put those AI voice over quotes in English, but with the accents. Also as a dyslexic, it doesn't help having the German played over as I read the text. Great video hope you stick at it and I'll watch every one.
They shouldn't discourage car ownership. If you provide viable alternatives to driving, people will choose not to drive most of the time. Car sharing looks feasible now only because there still is much competition, and service providers charge heavily discounted rates in hopes of cornering the market. Once the market is "consolidated", prices will skyrocket, the vehicles won't be cleaned as regularly or maintained as well, additional fees will be introduced for leaving the car at a different hub than where you took it, additional fees for peak hours, additional fees for driving into the city, additional fees for driving on the autobahn, and so on and so forth. Ownership always trumps renting from corporations. If you must have car sharing, make sure the provider is a gemeinnützige Stiftung, not a multinational corporation.
> They shouldn't discourage car ownership. Providing alternatives is discouraging car ownership, though. It's just a matter of perspective. > Car sharing looks feasible now only because there still is much competition What competition? There is only one company in my city. It's a local company but still. > Once the market is "consolidated", prices will skyrocket, the vehicles won't be cleaned as regularly or maintained as well, additional fees will be introduced for leaving the car at a different hub than where you took it, additional fees for peak hours, additional fees for driving into the city, additional fees for driving on the autobahn, and so on and so forth. German regulation will prevent that. This isn't America.
The carsharing he is referring to is likely HVV switch, so a publicly owned system run by the public transit organisation for last mile solutions. I think car and bike sharing as well as rideshare services will all be eventually incorporated into the tariff structure of public transport here. Hamburg is already doing it with the public car and bike share, as well as folding the rides haring startup MOIA into the public transport tariff system last year. That also means that the price thing isn't as much of an issue.
I applaud developments like these, but I'm a little bit annoyed by how simple those arches are. Like at least make the arches out or real brick, and not just cut into the building with a metal plate. It would add so much to the appearance and it's just another layer of brick and mortar, with not much cost at all.
Idk what to say except wow. This coment wount do your video any justice, but i hope it will do its part in getting the algorithm to show it to more people.
2:20 The Buildings are charming BUT Cobblestone Streets are TERRIBLE! For Everyone! Especially in winter! 4:54 Surely again a corrupt deal by the KfB... "The Railways were never changes" is that S-Bahn? Would fit. They never change their rail ways. Typical Deutsche Bahn. XD The Flats there are all nice but EXTREM Expensive for their sizes. X.x With Bürgergeld a Single can only move in a new flat that is maximal 50m² big and only costs under 500 Euro Warm..
The pricing in the Pergolenviertel is very dependant on the owner of the property. Especially SAGA (public housing) is affordable, Genossenschaften aswell, but difficult to almost impossible to join.
Yeah that's all good for the city on paper, but imagine how many cars have to get from BAB 23 to 1 North, 24, 25. The east-west route was cancelled, but there's no orbital in Hamburg, so all this traffic has to go through the city. I had to drive there twice this year, not only it added an extra hour to the travel time, but it was also an extra van on Hamburg's city streets doing exhaust in stop-and-go traffic for an extra hour.
It is almost a certainty that if an orbital Autobahn had been built in Hamburg it would also be clogged almost constantly. The theory behind this is called induced demand as is well supported by decades of evidence. In short, if the orbital route existed more people would choose to use it, until it is as slow as other options.
@@iLaurock uh, no. Induced demand in compact urban areas, especially in Europe, is basically about choosing car travel over other modes of transit due to perceivable cost of travel by car. I am talking about already existing traffic that goes from Itzehoe towards Berlin for example. Building an orbital increases the elasticity of transport demand and even after starting period when everyone would go for the Autobahn and make a complete Stau-festival out of it, the system would self-regulate to a bearable driving on the Autobahn and much MUCH less transit cars on streets that are a part of Bundesstrasse 5, Ring II, Steilshooper Allee and other whatever routes Google Maps build you to drive from BAB 23 and 7 to 24. There may be induced demand in terms of daily commuters, but I can't see a drastic demand in movement which is basically perpendicular to where the people need to go. The cancelled east-west route through centre, yes - that would induce lots of pendular traffic. Trust me, I'm a transport planner :D
This route wouldn't have really been an orbital route though, it would have still passed through some of the densest parts of the city. Had it been built, it wouldn't have really served the same function as A99 in Munich or A10 in Berlin I imagine. Interested in your perspective though if you work in transportation.
@@brianalexeu yeah, the east-west route you're talking about in the video would have been a catastrophe. But having no means to go through Hamburg from east to west fast is not a good option, either. That's why I'm talking about an orbital or bypass to the north of the city.
@@PerkeleKeyboardist If were talking about an orbital route far outside the city the planned A20 extension to Bad Bad Bramstedt and further to the A7 near Itzehoe should fulfill that purpose, right?
Kann mich einem anderen Kommentar anschließen. Ein Urban Planning-Kanal mit Schwerpunkt .DE rundet das Bild schön ab. Instant sub. Ich lebe im Hamburger Umland (HVV A/B). Mach auch unbedingt was Längeres zur schrecklichen Ost-West-Straße 😁
It wasn’t until I finished the video that I noticed that this is your first video. The graphics, narration and pictures chosen were so on point that this seemed like a big channels production. Awesome work, can’t await your future projects/videos!
Thank you so much! I tried to put everything I know about video making into this piece - and that's also the idea going forward. Glad to hear you like it!
@@brianalexeu same opinion this video was great
Super starkes erstes Video.
Ein urban planning Kanal aus dem deutschen Raum hat noch gefehlt, toll dass du diese Lücke schließt!
Very interesting! I live in Hamburg and worked in the city nord for some time. Always wondered, why it looks so unfinished and empty. So happy that the highway did not became reality!
wenn du in deutschland lebst, dann sprich deutsch ok
@@tangiers365 The video is in english.
Ik woon in nederland, dus zou ik dan hier in het nederlands moeten reageren?
@@JacobBax Wenn sie in Deutschland leben, warum sprechen sie kein Deutsch?
wow, you really put a lot of effort into your debut video. The visual effects and the camera angles are really good. Even that it's clear to see which other content creators you've taken orientation from and who you've been inspired by. I'm impressed.
Extrem starkes Video. Der Einsatz der KI-Stimme ist doch mal eine gute Anwendung neuer Technologie.
Vielleicht könntest du in einem kommenden Video dich mit der Autogerechten Stadt generell auseinandersetzen, wie sie zum Beispiel in meiner Region Braunschweig, Hannover und Wolfsburg umgesetzt wurde.
In Braunschweig wurden große Teile der Altstadt, die den Krieg überlebt hatten für den Straßenbau abgerissen. Hannover war ja die Blaupause für die Entwicklung und Wolfsburg heißt wie das ortsansässige VW-Museum mit Spitznamen „Autostadt“. Damit zusammen hängt in Braunschweig auch die Weststadt, einst eines der größten Baugebiete der BRD für über 20.000 Menschen, die jetzt nach etwas über 30 Jahren schon wie viele Siedlungen der Zeit verarmt und runtergekommen ist. Aber teilweise wird auch versucht, die Fehler wieder gutzumachen. Ein besonderes Projekt, das man im Auge behalten sollte ist das Bahnhofsquartier in Braunschweig, wo die Architektur der 60er in den kommenden paar Jahren abgerissen werden soll und durch menschlichere Maßstäbe ersetzt.
Über die Weststadt und insbesondere das Braunschweiger Bahnhofsquartier ist außerdem viel online. Eventuell ist das wirklich einen Blick wert.
Danke fürs Lesen und weiter so!
Grüße
Very nice video! I live in Hannover and there are some big protests going on because the city wants to enlarge capacity on the city highways from the 60s. It would cut through neighborhoods even more so it could be interesting for a future video
What a way to start on UA-cam. Quality stuff.
Never expected to see a video about a place i used to work in almost two decades ago. When i commuted to City Nord (Edeka Zentrale) i remember trying to avoid all pedestrian overpasses in winter because the tall office buildings around them would basically funnel the harsh cold wind and snow straight onto them, which felt like walking into an ice storm. Shredded one of my umbrellas as well. The entire area used to be the perhaps most pedestrian unfriendly place in the whole of Hamburg, which is especially unfortunate considering it's right next to the city park which is super walkable. I'm glad it's slowly changing.
Nice video. Well done, Brian! 💜 Looking forward to the next ones. 👍
It took me the whole video (when I went to like it) to see that this has barely any views and that it is your first video! Definitely deserves to go viral with the correct audience, it's well written, informative and also amazingly edited!
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it! I'm mostly starting this to have a place to pour my creativity into and hopefully make some people learn something new in the process :)
A thing not often noted (like in this video) is the fact that the destruction of cities was often overstated to get radical projects through. For example a whole medieval quarter which survived the war was destroyed. It was often done to poor section of city, because they couldn't defend themselves.
Outstanding video! Hamburg did some massive blunders with city planning in the past but had been quite successful recently
Sehr gutes Video! Informativ, gut geschnitten und gut erklärt. Ich bin selber aus Hamburg.
Dankeschön:)
Super amazing video! Danke & learned a lot about my neighborhood
Sau gute Arbeit!
Amazing first video. I've worked in the city nord for one or two years, never quite new much about it's history. Car infrastructure was clearly overbuilt, besides that it felt reasonably nice.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! It's also interesting to discover the city this way. Great job!
This was an incredible first video, I'm so excited to see more of your content! There are so many videos about North American city planning but not a lot to be found about Germany. I always found it so fascinating how incredibly carbrained we were as well (ok, some of us definitely still are) but how many of these crazy ideas luckily weren't built.
Well anyways you got yourself a new subscriber :D
Thank you so much! This channel will def be more Europe-focused (next video on a project in Berlin probably), as I also feel that's a perspective that's lacking.
Ich seh beim Pergolenviertel städtebaulich sowohl gute als auch nicht so gute Dinge, aber im Großen und Ganzen auf jeden Fall ein gutes Projekt. Und natürlich vielfach besser als eine breite Verkehrsschneise aus Beton :)
Das stimmt. Ich finde aber dass Hamburg sogar eigentlich ein üben ganz guten Job bei der Stadtplanung macht. Grade auch die neueren Teile der HafenCity (bis hin zum Elbtower) gefallen mir sehr gut.
@@RasmusWitzig Ja, städtebaulich ist das wirklich überdurchschnittlich, was Hamburg macht. Leider ist die Schattenseite eben, dass das nur möglich ist, weil Hamburg auch vergleichsweise wenig in den Sozialen Wohnungsbau steckt. In Hamburg richten sich überdurchschnittlich viele der neugebauten Wohnungen an die oberen Gehaltsklassen. Die HafenCity wird nur in den ersten Jahren noch ein wenig soziale Durchmischung bieten, aber es ist jetzt schon absehbar, dass auch die wenigen Sozialwohnungen dort nach Ablauf der Förderung unverzüglich für Besserverdiener limitiert werden durch massive Mietsteigerungen.
Wirtschaftlich wird die HafenCity langfristig ein großer Gewinn sein für Hamburg, aber aus Sicht der Stadtplanung setzt man sich eine künftige Wohnstadt mit sozio-ökonomischer Monostruktur in das urbane Herz. Salopp könnte man es auch als kommendes Ghetto der Reichen bezeichnen...
Hamburg hat leider eine lange neoliberale und kommerzorientierte Tradition in der Stadtentwicklung. Liegt auch in Hamburgs Historie als Kaufmannsmetropole begründet
Aus interesse, was wären deine Kritikpunkte? 👀
@@purplebrick131 Klar gern, wird aber etwas länger :D
Einerseits die sehr langen durchgehenden Fassaden. Durch die Backsteinoptik wirkt das für mich wie eine Stadt aus Mauern. Ich war mal im Pergolenviertel und es hatte für mich einen gewissen Gefängnisinnenhof-Vibe. Generell fehlt den Fassaden der plastische Charakter. Wie gesagt, Backsteinoptik ist schön, aber die Fassaden wirken wie eine 2D-Leinwand, an der man abprallt
Zweiter Punkt, der mir nicht ganz gefällt, ist die sehr willkürliche Ausrichtung der Gebäude. Diese schiefen Winkel interagieren kaum mit der Umgebung, sondern stehen nur für sich selbst. Aber wenn man schon so schiefe Winkel benutzt, warum ist dann das eine Zeilengebäude an die Kleingartenanlage rangeklatscht wie eine große Mauer. Das ist wirklich schlecht gelöst. Ich sehe einfach kein wirkliches konsequentes Konzept dahinter. Klar, Pergolen sollen für eine gemeinsame Identität und Wiedererkennungswert im Quartier sorgen, das funktioniert, aber ansonsten dominiert leider die Willkür und das ist aus städtebaulicher Sicht immer ein schlechte Zeichen.
Letzter Punkt sind die Räume zwischen den Gebäuden. Der Winterlindenweg ist quasi zu 100% versiegelt und wird von ruhendem Verkehr beherrscht. Ein für mich sehr abweisender und menschenfeindlich gestalteter Raum. Ich verstehe nicht, wieso man ein so modern wirkendes Quartier entwickelt, aber dann mit einer Freiraumgestaltung aus dem letzten Jahrhundert um die Ecke kommt. Da hat man wohl keinen Bock gehabt. Heutzutage plant man entweder Tiefgaragen, Quartiersgaragen oder eben wenn es unbedingt Parkplätze sein müssen, dann wenigstens begrünte Parkflächen. Der Winterlindenweg ist eine Vollkatastrophe, man muss es so hart sagen.
Aber es gibt auch positive Aspekte :)
This video is sure to go viral in the urbanism bubble. I subscribed within the first minute of the video!
Grüße aus Darmstadt :)
Erst einmal super Video, mega interessant. Ich studiere Stadtplanung in Hamburg, beschäftige mich also sehr viel mit der Thematik und habe trotzdem noch Nichts über das „Große A“ gehört. (warum eigentlich nicht?!)
Ich lebe im Westen von Hamburg in Ottensen, wo in den 70er Jahren etwas Ähnliches geplant war. Hier sollte unter anderem die „City West“ entstehen und das historische Viertel ersetzen. Als dies nach starken Protesten scheiterte sollten Autobahnzubringer quer durch Ottensen gebaut werden, um die Innenstadt besser an die A7 anzubinden. Auch dies scheiterte zum Glück an den Bürger, unter anderem durch Hausbesetzungen. Stattdessen wurde das historische aber marode Viertel Stück für Stück saniert und zählt heute zu den schönsten aber auch teuersten Vierteln der Hansestadt. Wäre sicherlich ein Video wert :)
Sehr interessant! Hast du dazu einen Artikel? Wenn dich die historischen Pläne mehr interessieren ist der Spiegel Artikel von damals (aus dem ich auch im Video zitiere) auch echt interessant.
@@brianalexeu gerade was vom Abendblatt aus 2014 gefunden… Im Endeffekt dürften die Einbahnstraßen zwischen Ehrenbergstraße und Bleickenallee ein Relikt davon sein. Die ganzen Rückbau-Projekte derzeit in Altona (Louise-Schröder-Straße, Königstraße, Reeperbahn, Max-Brauer-Allee Süd) räumen im Grunde auf, was damals als Vorgriff zu viel gebaut wurde.
@@brianalexeuwenn du dabei bist, guck dir auch mal die Pläne der Neuen Heimat zu St. Georg an. Müsste Alsterzentrum heißen wenn ich mich nicht irre, komplett crazy
In the city of Nuremberg they actually built a highway like road after the 2nd world war and burried an old canal to cut through the city. It's called the "Frankenschnellweg".
Nowadays some people wanna burry it and others even say they should demolish it and bring back the old canal
Canals make cities more interesting. I’ve seen cities that couldn’t afford to build new roads and bury the canals. Today, these places are much more pedestrian-friendly than others!
Den Frankenschnellweg komplett zurückzubauen wäre der verkehrstechnische Tod Nürnbergs. Von daher gibt es effektiv nur die Option die Strecke in einen Tunnel zu legen.
Den gleiche Fehler wie in Hamburg, nämlich zu wenige Parkplätze anzubieten, macht man hingegen in Nürnberg auch bald in Lichtenreuth. Das wird spannend...
Thanks. One thing you may or may not know about the Interstate highway system in the USA is that it was NOT originally supposed to bulldoze through cities. You said it right in your discussion: it was supposed to connect cities by going near them. A primary function was borrowed from Germany to be a network for the military during emergencies. So there were supposed to be circumferential roads and perhaps a spur into the city. A few cities in the USA are now removing freeways to replace them with neighborhoods or parks. I'm glad Hamburg has found a way forward out of - shall I say it? - the idiocy of the past.
Great video
The architecture with the traditional brick facades looks much better then a lot of bigger residential buildings from this century
Great video! It's easy to forget that a lot of the inner city roadspace just came from car enthusiasts being opportunistic after the war.
Sehr cool gemacht! Interessante Informationen zu meiner Pendlerroute und meinem Arbeitsort. Die Citiy-Nord ist ein menschenfeindlicher Ort. Die City Süd kaum besser. Wäre in der City Nord jedoch ein Wohnviertel entstanden, hätte Hamburg sicherlich keinen innerstädtischen Flughafen mehr, aufgrund von Fluglärmprotesten. Und zum Thema alternativer Flughafenstandort für Hamburg: Da scheinen noch nicht alle Pläne begraben zu sein. Wenngleich sich nach dem BER-Fiasko da wohl so schnell keiner rantraut.
Und ein Fun-Fact: die vielfach gerissenen und verschobenen Waschbeton-Gehwegplatten der Coty Nord aus den 60ern stehen unter Denkmalschutz während Gebäude mit Gründerzeitfassaden nach wie vor legal oder illegal abgerissen werden.
Very interesting topic. Living in Hamburg for a decade in the Walddörfer area, its always nice to learn about something and its history. To imagine a highway through the city nord sounds terrible to me.
Awesome video! I live very close to this area and have never known about all of these plans. Great editing as well, especially for a first video.
Great video! Glad YT recommendet it to me! I subscribed and look forward for more content! If you're ever in Berlin, let me know :) (Deutscher hier :D )
Thanks for the great video! I work right there in the City Nord on the mentioned U5 metro line (if you plan a video on that, let me know) and I cycle through the Pergolenviertel everyday on my commute. And yet, I didn't know this area was planned to become a highway. I'm more than happy that didn't happen.
Starkes Video! Am Ende musste ich direkt an die Universitätstraße in Dortmund denken.
Good Video. I‘m from Hamburg and didn’t know that. Now I’m going to read the sources.
There also was a project in Lausanne-Switzerland. You can see traces of it around Lutry. It would have destroyed the lakefront. Fortunatly there were protests and the project was abandonned leaving a comically oversized junction.
Interesting, do you have resources (Can be in French too)?
Wow, this was a great video. I lived my whole life in Hamburg and never heard about that.
Thanks!
Hi, first of all, wonderful wonderful video! I'm so glad we now seem to have someone talking about German urban planning as well, and I wish you all the best going forward. Subbed and bell'd :)
Secondly, I study urban planning in Lübeck and had the opportunity to talk to the quarter managers on an excursion there once. The parkin in the central courtyard is also because they haven't yet begun to charge for on street parking, which they will soon do. They themselves don't know how it'll affect it, but it surely will. In theory these people are supposed to park in the very large parking structured for the city nord that aren't anywhere near capacity atm.
This is an awesome video!! Very interesting and well-done!!
Mega starkes Video! Ich hoffe auf mehr :)
Es macht mich sehr glücklich, dass immermehr Leute gegenüber den stadtplanerischen Fehlern der 1970er Jahre aufwachen und hoffe sehr, dass selbiges bald mit der schrecklichen Nachkriegsarchitektur folgt, dessen Lehren in architekturkreisen ja leider bis heute als Magnum Opus aller Architekturepochen gelten. Umso froher bin ich, dass das Thema hier zumindest mal angerissen wurde :)
Falls du dich mehr für Architektur interessierst kann ich da auf jeden Fall den Kanal "The Aesthetic City", sowie die Online Präsenz des Vereins "Stadtbild Deutschland" und "Architekturrebellion" empfehlen!!
Well done! Really enjoyed this.
Fantastic first video! You integrated the engineering & human experience very well!
Really cool video! Nice to hear something about my hometown :)
Gut das sich das Mind-Set seit den 60ern geändert hat. Wenn man Namen und Bilder austauscht, passt dein Bericht ebenso auf Berlin. 😉 Danke. 👍🏾😎
Well those look like the most standard condos, crazy...
Fantastic first video. Subscribed!
"der ganze idee ist grotesque" couldn't have said it better old timey telephone guy
Good job! This is much better production quality than my first video I just posted haha.
Talk about about a bullet dodged!😅Das ist (fast) meine Nachbarschaft! Ich gehe dort oft mit meinem Hund spazieren und ich bin sehr froh das es keine Autobahn ist. Übrigens ist der „Hauptplatz“ in der Nachbarschaft jetzt fertig und wird mit ein bisschen mehr Bepflanzung sehr gut aussehen (IMO).
Nice video and really interesting topic 💪🏽
I would like to add another interesting fact.
The part on which the pergola quarter was built formerly belonged to the Barmbek district. It was then added to the wealthy district of Winterhude in order to achieve higher rental prices.
That’s how it works in Hamburg. 😂
Thank you for the interesting video.
Very interesting!
Klasse Video!
Thanks a lot for this close look on the sins of Western German automobile fixation. Keep up the good work, I have subscribed with joy to your channel.
cool! nice video man.
I think that the arches being "a nod to traditional architecture" is a bit overstated.
For the developers to claim to understand that people want historic influence in architecture (more dynamic and varied buildings with unique character and human scale ornamentation) and then implement arches of plain metal or plastic seems like a bit of a piss-take. I appreciate that they have built it as more housing is important, but i would rather they not pretend about its historicity using hollow marketing speak. If we really wanted to take inspiration from older building styles like on Deichstraße or in old cities internationally, we would build a mix of narrow and wide streets with shopfronts and houses. A mix of open spaces and closed spaces can really benefit atmosphere, but the building style of uniform structures in empty green space gives a less personal feel.
The access to transport and all of the social housing is really amazing and should be the first priority before others, but I'm sure that more can be done in terms of style.
Great Video ❤
Thank you!
Very nice production quality. The only problem with the new residential areas I that have (aside from the price, lol), is that the design is lackluster. There are some architectural references, but for the most part they are just... Brick boxes.
This is somewhat true. Whether you're in Malmö, Hamburg or Antwerp, new residential developments tend to all look the same. There are some nice examples of modern construction replicating the historical fabric of their city though (like the new old town in Frankfurt). Might be an interesting topic idea!
Ja auf so einen Kanal habe ich gewartet. Würde mich wahnsinnig über Videos über Köln freuen. Hast mein Abo
Mal sehen was sich so alles machen lässt:)
I’m your 38th subscriber. Amazing video!
Looks good for a modernist neighborhood
It is. Hamburg in general did a good job in city planning in the last years. The „HafenCity“ in Hamburg is great as well
This is really good man! You got a subscriber :)
Ein neuer Stern am Verkehrsinfrastruktur-UA-cam-Himmel. Viel Erfolg, das klappt! :)
Immer interessant, wie sich in einer metropole wie hamburg die ideale der vergangenen jahrzehnte als schichten überlagern
Sehr nices Video! Bin gespannt auf mehr, direkt mal abonniert :)
cooles video und kanal, hoffe es kommt noch mehr, gerade über hamburg! auch krass wäre es wenn die videos auf englisch und deutsch kommen würden
In Hamburg, a lot of mistakes were made in urban planning in the post-war period. On the one hand, there are office districts such as City Nord and Hammerbrook and on the other hand, there are too many purely residential areas such as Eidelstedt or Horn, which have no urban highlights or opportunities for leisure activities and work nearby. Hamburg is also a city with a huge suburban area. Fortunately, this has been recognized as a problem in recent years, and there are calls to implement the idea of the 15-minute city.
New districts such as the Pergolenviertel are a start, but in my opinion they do not go far enough in terms of planning and implementation. New, attractive sub-centers need to be created within the city area, because currently everyone who can afford it, is moving to the districts close to the city center. We need to actively counteract this monocultural urban planning of the last few decades.
Wow, top Qualiät krass
its crazy how much of our Citys got destroyed even after the war so much history and nice spaces got lost
I think it's pretty safe to say much of the damage to European cities was not only done during the war - but also in their "rebuilding" (which often involved destroying even more).
Nice video, keep it up!
great video, Brian! I really like to compare how German cities were rebuilt after the devastating war. Those neighbourhoods look like a lovely place to live, I just don't see that many shops and amenities like grocery shops, pharmacies, bike shops, bars, minimarkets, restaurants, etc. Are they bound to arrive or that development isn't really mixed use? (which would be a shame)
Some things are there (like a café) and I think some things are coming, but unfortunately Hamburg very much doesn't do mixed use very well. There are tons of neighbors that while dense, only contain residential
USA 🇺🇸🦅= This toll road It used to be a black Neighbor settlement
nice video man!!!! Hamburg did the right choice not doing any choice for so long haha
As someone who listens to videos in the background, I'd suggest that it's more value to the viewer to put those AI voice over quotes in English, but with the accents. Also as a dyslexic, it doesn't help having the German played over as I read the text. Great video hope you stick at it and I'll watch every one.
To put it briefly and succinctly. When planning roads, never take the USA as an example, they have absolutely no idea how to build a vibrant city.
You should make a video on old military base in Germany converted to housing
Do you have a good example in mind (that also produces good visuals)?
They shouldn't discourage car ownership. If you provide viable alternatives to driving, people will choose not to drive most of the time. Car sharing looks feasible now only because there still is much competition, and service providers charge heavily discounted rates in hopes of cornering the market. Once the market is "consolidated", prices will skyrocket, the vehicles won't be cleaned as regularly or maintained as well, additional fees will be introduced for leaving the car at a different hub than where you took it, additional fees for peak hours, additional fees for driving into the city, additional fees for driving on the autobahn, and so on and so forth. Ownership always trumps renting from corporations. If you must have car sharing, make sure the provider is a gemeinnützige Stiftung, not a multinational corporation.
> They shouldn't discourage car ownership.
Providing alternatives is discouraging car ownership, though. It's just a matter of perspective.
> Car sharing looks feasible now only because there still is much competition
What competition? There is only one company in my city. It's a local company but still.
> Once the market is "consolidated", prices will skyrocket, the vehicles won't be cleaned as regularly or maintained as well, additional fees will be introduced for leaving the car at a different hub than where you took it, additional fees for peak hours, additional fees for driving into the city, additional fees for driving on the autobahn, and so on and so forth.
German regulation will prevent that. This isn't America.
The carsharing he is referring to is likely HVV switch, so a publicly owned system run by the public transit organisation for last mile solutions. I think car and bike sharing as well as rideshare services will all be eventually incorporated into the tariff structure of public transport here. Hamburg is already doing it with the public car and bike share, as well as folding the rides haring startup MOIA into the public transport tariff system last year.
That also means that the price thing isn't as much of an issue.
I applaud developments like these, but I'm a little bit annoyed by how simple those arches are. Like at least make the arches out or real brick, and not just cut into the building with a metal plate. It would add so much to the appearance and it's just another layer of brick and mortar, with not much cost at all.
New urbanism youtuber from Germany ?? :D
njo nice, grüße aus leipzig ^^
Idk what to say except wow.
This coment wount do your video any justice, but i hope it will do its part in getting the algorithm to show it to more people.
Thanks so much!
Hi, glaubst du es wird auch eine deutsch synchrongesprochene Version von dem Video geben?
2:20 The Buildings are charming BUT Cobblestone Streets are TERRIBLE! For Everyone! Especially in winter!
4:54 Surely again a corrupt deal by the KfB...
"The Railways were never changes" is that S-Bahn? Would fit. They never change their rail ways. Typical Deutsche Bahn. XD
The Flats there are all nice but EXTREM Expensive for their sizes. X.x With Bürgergeld a Single can only move in a new flat that is maximal 50m² big and only costs under 500 Euro Warm..
The pricing in the Pergolenviertel is very dependant on the owner of the property. Especially SAGA (public housing) is affordable, Genossenschaften aswell, but difficult to almost impossible to join.
what... 12 comments? 700 views??
Well it's all new ;)
i wonder why germannaration while displaying english text anyway when you yourself do english?
Yeah that's all good for the city on paper, but imagine how many cars have to get from BAB 23 to 1 North, 24, 25. The east-west route was cancelled, but there's no orbital in Hamburg, so all this traffic has to go through the city. I had to drive there twice this year, not only it added an extra hour to the travel time, but it was also an extra van on Hamburg's city streets doing exhaust in stop-and-go traffic for an extra hour.
It is almost a certainty that if an orbital Autobahn had been built in Hamburg it would also be clogged almost constantly. The theory behind this is called induced demand as is well supported by decades of evidence. In short, if the orbital route existed more people would choose to use it, until it is as slow as other options.
@@iLaurock uh, no. Induced demand in compact urban areas, especially in Europe, is basically about choosing car travel over other modes of transit due to perceivable cost of travel by car. I am talking about already existing traffic that goes from Itzehoe towards Berlin for example.
Building an orbital increases the elasticity of transport demand and even after starting period when everyone would go for the Autobahn and make a complete Stau-festival out of it, the system would self-regulate to a bearable driving on the Autobahn and much MUCH less transit cars on streets that are a part of Bundesstrasse 5, Ring II, Steilshooper Allee and other whatever routes Google Maps build you to drive from BAB 23 and 7 to 24.
There may be induced demand in terms of daily commuters, but I can't see a drastic demand in movement which is basically perpendicular to where the people need to go. The cancelled east-west route through centre, yes - that would induce lots of pendular traffic.
Trust me, I'm a transport planner :D
This route wouldn't have really been an orbital route though, it would have still passed through some of the densest parts of the city. Had it been built, it wouldn't have really served the same function as A99 in Munich or A10 in Berlin I imagine. Interested in your perspective though if you work in transportation.
@@brianalexeu yeah, the east-west route you're talking about in the video would have been a catastrophe. But having no means to go through Hamburg from east to west fast is not a good option, either. That's why I'm talking about an orbital or bypass to the north of the city.
@@PerkeleKeyboardist If were talking about an orbital route far outside the city the planned A20 extension to Bad Bad Bramstedt and further to the A7 near Itzehoe should fulfill that purpose, right?
5:38 haha wenn du so eine szene aufnimmst dann auch ohne das mikrofon an deinem mund um die lautstärke richtig darzustellen :D
Where is 9:40
That's up one level in the (former) commercial core of the City Nord district.
Mexicoring
wenn du in deutschland lebst, dann sprich deutsch ok
Kann mich einem anderen Kommentar anschließen. Ein Urban Planning-Kanal mit Schwerpunkt .DE rundet das Bild schön ab. Instant sub. Ich lebe im Hamburger Umland (HVV A/B). Mach auch unbedingt was Längeres zur schrecklichen Ost-West-Straße 😁