Young Couple Rebuilds a 105ft Sailing Ship!
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Last time we launched Flying Coney. Does that mean we are done with the Project?
Actually we still got a long way to go. Especially because we want to convert Flying Coney into a sailing ship.
So how will we continue?
And we finish the last preparations to leave Urk.
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Schooner or Tops'l Schooner? While Flying Coney was a sailing ship she had a tops'l schooner rig. That means she had square sails on the forward mast. Although this rig is very beautiful and gives more speed while sailing downwind, it's also more expensive and it's more difficult to handle. So a gaff schooner rig is probably more reasonable. It's also possible to start with a schooner rig and later on add the yards for the topsail's. What do you think?
I think you are going to have your hands quite full on the first few adventures so anything you can do to minimise the workload and complexity would make sense, and, as you say, nothing is forever.. the sail plan can be re-worked at your leisure. Keep going... we are all with you.
Have you seen the channel My Self Reliance? Building a cabin in Alaska, highly recommended, you have chosen some of the same music, it’s rather appropriate you both have the same taste.
Go with the gaff rig. She's a 20th century steel ship. No need to go Uber traditionalist on her.
I think it’s fascinating. It’s a world I’ve never experienced and know very little about. Thanks to U Tube and wonderful people like you I can spend my retirement following the adventures and lives off people from all over the world. Life is good.
Both, the schooner and the tops'l schooner would have two gaff sails. The only difference is that the tops'l schooner has square topsails in addition. But it needs to be taken into account because there's more weight aloft.
That sh$t with the engine not starting is too funny. I go through tons of those moments everyday, glad I’m not the only one.
I was really hoping to get some boat driving that day and honestly I didn't thought that pulling 130 tons would be that easy. But you learn something new everyday. But if you take such a project to seriously it will certainly kill you. I mean you're paying an awful lot of money to do a project like this so it should be the best time of your life....
13:30 - Der "Schrei nach Liebe" von den Ärzten. Der Song kam mir gleich so verdächtig bekannt vor... ;)
Now I hear it 🤣👍🤣
Dear Barbara and Daniël,
Willeke and I know that Flying Coney was a sailing schooner and when she finally will look like the picture you’ve shown in this video you may call Flying Coney a real tall ship. You have surprised us again with the technical skills of Barbara what makes you a perfect couple to bring back Flying Coney in her days of glory as a beautiful under sails sailing schooner. You also gave us a smile on our face the moment Daniël started to paint the boat on the the maintenance raft of Scheepswerf Hoekman because he was doing that in the way a baker of Cafe Sacher is making the chocolate outside cover of a Sachertorte😀. It seems that he wants to show the whole world that he is from the Vienna area😀. Seriously now….we both admire you 2 a lot and wish you all the luck of the world with the refit of this ship what finally will be a beauty plus we send you love
Barbara your mechanical skills are incredible. I’m a pretty good mechanic myself but if I was doing a project like this I would be very grateful for your help and expertise. The two of you are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
That's lovely! Thank you! If you're in the area you might want to help us one or two day, working on this big systems is also new to us but most things are easy to understand. Maybe that's interesting for you.
@@FlyingConey I would love to help you both but unfortunately it will be awhile before I could get over there. I don’t currently have the funds available for the journey but never fear if that changes I will be in touch and on my way.
Thank you anyway! And since Flying Coney is a boat she'll probably in your area at some point in the future.
Always good to put a project into perspective.
1/3 of 1/3 done! Now THAT is funny 🤣!
Nice bit of work this week. it is always the "bits" that take the most time, so it is good to see the patience.
Yes, I wondered about the "sketchy" ribs. Now I see that the cement removal needs to be done. Best way is to drill a hole, then crack around that block piece then insert a bolt in the hole and lift that part out-Repeat. Too many people want to hammer and break up into little pieces,,takes double work as well too much hammering not good for rivets. Have fun! Rich
Hell of a job guys, my goodness……
We can now estimate how much work is in front of us and it's a bit frightening to be honest.
The new intro is refreshing. I like it
i think she will work great as a gaff rig boat similar to Tally Ho that Leo is restoring in the USA.
We do want to have a very traditional rig with gaff sails and mostly without windlasses. In my opinion we're following a very similar approach to Leo but because of the size of Flying Coney we can't follow the same level of perfectionism. We still try our best.
She going to look so good, when she's finished. Nice work yall
The drawing is amazing and really keeps the two of us going!
Great job, Memphis TN USA
Thank you! 👍
Barbara, Dan is the Captain, but you are
Queen..! Cheers
I agree! Daniel 😉
Just to re-fit the interior is a huge task, and dependant on materials could very, very expensive. and time consuming Great update 2x👍
The interior is the part of the project we're really looking forward to. Yes it's expensive but very rewarding. Also we can do everything ourselves so that safes a lot of money.
I think. that the render of her as a schooner without that ugly rear cabin sticking up is perfect, she is a very pretty boat with lovely lines that are spoiled by it.
Thanks! In my opinion also the underwater parts of the hull look very promising. Almost a bit like a tea clipper 😁
You Guy's are doing a great Job getting Flying Coney ready to set sail again. lv the views.. lv from florida..
Hi guys! I think You'll need a professional ship engineer and architect to calculate all the weight & balance for the new sailing rig. Or do You have original blueprints of its sailing ship version so You can go from there? I guess there will be a lot of maths and calculations to do to get all values and variables right so she doesn't capsize the first time You leave port.
Really enjoying your music selections.
Thank you! Finding the right music is probably the hardest thing about editing.
Nice to see the welder doing it the proper way , vertical up hand to get as much penetration as possible. Good luck with her from here on forward. Cheers !
Videos are improving in content and organization as well. Good job. I know it takes a good deal of time.
That’s nice to view your beautiful sailing ship.
Respect and best vibes.🇦🇺🪃❤️
It was eye opening for us and really keeps us going to finish this project.
About masts be sure of the depth you can ask the radar from the shipyard. Kind regards.
She will look fantastic! ⛵
By the time she is a sailing boat, you'll have millions of subscribers. This is an amazing story.
I hope you're right and we love to share this story. But recently we found it very hard to get new subscribers. In this regard this video is the worst in the channel history and I have no idea why that is. To be honest that's a bit frustrating because we have the feeling that our videos are getting better and we get more views, more positive comments, more likes but subscriber growth is going down...
Sorry' but when Daniel tries to start the engine, chewing his gum and it won't start, with that look on his face and just utters the word "S#it" Just cracks me up every time.... classic.
Barbara, I am so proud of you. You are not afraid to tackle anything! You are both such hard workers. I too am German and my children first generation Americans. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. Krystyna
Thank you for following along and all the best to you and your family!
Even though you have a long way to go the picture you showed of how you want her to be when you are thru was simply amazing and beautiful .and those pictures of her from the past were wonderful to see. She will be an attraction people will come to see wherever you go .
Daniel ...... "shit" 🤣 Love you guys !
Thanks for watching!
I like the drawing of the Flying Coney, all blue, and in sail with golden trim !
Hi Albert, we're not sure if we will go all white or all blue. But coming up next is all blue and then we see how much we like it and either way I think a golden trim looks very beautiful.
She will look beautiful!!
Looks good in the water.
Thank you! I think we even got a quite decent waterline. Do you prefer the blue, the white or the two tone hull?
Will the boat have steel of wood masts and spars? Love the project by the way!
Probably steel masts since it's less maintenance and cheaper. But the spars definitely wooden and not sure about the bowsprit. Also steel masts are safer than wooden ones and from 29 meter distance there's hardly any optical difference.
@@FlyingConey steel masts would indeed definitly be a better choice, and i think a wooden bowsprit will look gorgeous on her. By the way, will you first tour around the Netherlands or will you go directly to sea when she's done?
The only finished boats are sitting in museums dry under cover from the elements. Outdoor and in the water, everything is deteriorated, deteriorating, or if new, is starting deterioration. Mystic Seaport Museum in Connecticut requires and uses a full shipyard to maintain their fleet of vessels in good shape.
😂😂😂 Daniel... Shit. Gets me everytime!!
I was really hoping to get some boat driving that day 😂 I made such a good plan and then we used a rope...
I like your choice of rig. The graceful Swan will shine again.
A nice representation of your plans. Thank you.
We did our best to show you what we see under all the rust 😉
Hi guys, love following you progress on this channel and really can’t wait until you are working steadily week to week and putting out some great content.
It would be easier for us as well to put out weekly updates. So much was going on during the shipyard time that the videos are six months behind now. But not much happened on the boat during the last months. It was more planning and researching and also improving our videos. So soon we can go back to real time updates.
Yes! Mister Angle Grinder
Cees did a great job of fixing the gooseneck. Nice welds 👍
Topsail Schooner. Best with the cement ballast, it'll be a huge project I'm sure, but we know you and Daniel are up to the task.
I think you have an ambitious project with a perfect hull for it. It will take a long time to accomplish the task. I hope you find enough people who are interested to donate the amount needed. I will continue to watch and enjoy the Vlog, however, unfortunately, I cannot afford to help out otherwise.
I think it will be a great looking ship !
Thank you! It's a bit difficult to see the lines under all the superstructures but she has good lines, a great shape and also a very nice engine.
I’m thinking I’ll be dead before the ship is completed. Watching from Panama City Florida, USA. 🇺🇸🦅
Current time estimation is about three years so I hope you'll make it until then. The part that's very difficult to estimate is when we'll have a reasonable income from making this videos.
With all those sails, I assume you’ll need a crew? I can’t imagine just the two of you doing it 👍👍👍
To really go sailing you need about 5-6 people. But with autopilot and two winches it would be definitely possible to sail with just two people. But we haven't bought a 25 meter ship to sail with just the two of us. We do want to share the sailing experience. 12-14 people is a perfect crew size.
Thanks! Once again please enjoy a Beer on me 🎉
We will do 🍻 Thank you for your support! ⛵️
Just found your channel and love it. Please keep up the great work & videos!
It’s great to see you finally getting to boat projects while back in the water. I’m sure all that demolition was hard to do day after day.
Honestly the hardest part was the time pressure and the not knowing of what we will find. Can we afford this refit, how will the next video perform, it really was a difficult time. It's really the vision that keeps us going and we do know that the hardest part of the project is already behind us.
I agree. Your boat will be beautiful. I wonder if in years to come, God willing, you may find that the years of hard work will actually prove to be the best years. There is joy in constructing.
You two are doing a great job!
Keep it up.
7:57 that or keep the rig but remove the dog house build the rear deck into a pirate ship shape lol
Honestly looks amazing
Like a ton of work but will be amazing when it's all done in 3 to 5 yrs
We just need to take the wheelhouse off, stick face wood looking foil to everything, buy three telephone poles as masts and black perl II here we go 🤣🤣🤣
@@FlyingConey add some cannon and swivel guns and make sure you don't forget the rum lol
It's gonna be a great looking ship no matter what that I'm sure of
It's looking great! I love the blue and gold, classic, classy and elegant!
You guys are doing a great job. I always look forward to seeing a new video every week.
So dreamy ❤
Always nice watching your progress
Thanks for your comment!
thank you, I enjoyed today's video!
I hope we could give you an impression of how Flying Coney will look one day ⛵️
@@FlyingConey absolutely
A top sail schooner 100% ! Love it!
I'm a big fan. I also work on a boat for some time now. I want to recommend you to learn how to weld yourself. Just do it ....start on easy flat metal pieces. And by doing it you will learn quickly. Its really super handy if you do those tasks yourself and it also saves you a lot of money;-) Greetings fro Urk
The finished project with all her sails will look beautiful. So will she still a schooner when she’s finished?👍👍👍
Schooner or tops'l schooner. The difference are the square topsails at the forward mast. I think we will start with the simpler schooner rig but calculate everything for the topsail schooner so we can add the yards later on.
A great video well done to you both 😊
I have never seen a sight glass that was open ended. They always have a top fitting / valve like the one at the bottom and usually at least a metal rod on each side for protection. I think maybe the original was where that blue pipe goes in and someone has replumbed it. Sight glasses are frequently not vertical . The water still finds it own level. An unsupported glass tube is a failure waiting to happen.
The sight glasses are original and that's why the valve is always closed. But for most kind of ships it's not legal anymore and we also want to upgrade it.
Hello Flying Coney, you're doing a good job! I'm following you're project from the beginning and i think I've a good advice for you. In the nineties i had a 26 mtr. sailing clipper , sailing on the Ijsselmeer and Waddenzee with 30 dayguests and accomodation for 20 guest to stay overnight. If I had greater jobs to do i went to SRF in Harlingen at the Harinxma Kanaal. Not so far from Urk.They are specialists in your kind of ships and the goal you have in mind i think. They can build it from bottom up or do only interior, rigging or smaller jobs and help you with your future plan. Ask for Lex Tiggelaar. For 2 years he was still in charge .They always had reasonable prices as in that sector the earnings are not to big. For two weeks i passed by the shipyard SRF on my Lemsteraak and they have been growing since. Very nice to see. I made a picture and try to post it to you. Succes!! Dirk.
Thanks! SRF Holland is one of the companies we're considering for adding a rig. I know that they're extremely skilled craftsman's there and they can do everything. One company for everything is a unique service.
Our next shipyard time will probably be in Germany, mainly because it's easier for us to live there, cheaper food and accommodation for volunteers, better healthcare and all that. But we do know that the Netherlands are a great place to get work done at a steel boat.
Looking Good
that wld be fantastic.
So that mast is from her sailing days?
No it's not but it's on the same position like the old one was. When she was a sailing ship she had wooden masts.
Keep on Steady n Strong *
Stupid question, but have you considered the cost of your new rig, plus lowering wheel house etc ? I can see the cost of a couple of hundred K (at least) to convert.
Not trying to confuse you, but if mine, I would keep it as a motor sailor. Diesel engines don't use much fuel when being used as sail assist. Very economical. and no zig zagging.
For a basic schooner rig it's about 80k. Lowering the wheelhouse and the aft deck is cheaper than you might think. We have most of the materials and only need a crane for one or two days or we do it with jacks. The first step is to get the boat operational as a motorboat. Maybe motor one season and earn the money for the rig. It's not a stupid question at all and I love to answer questions like that. All the best!
Got to say... I didn't mind flying coney's name! Ha
Daniel...(engine) sometimes, there just aren't enuff cuss words! Dbl ha!
Not the engine, dead batteries...
I think it would be best to rig her as a modern ketch with two forestays. Easier to sail and maintain.
I like it.
Great! Thank you 😁
Tear the mast down and replace it with an wooden onee. That's what I think. Much lighter if build hollow, so it wouldn't only improve sailing abilities but also seaworthyness and behavior in rolling conditions.
Hi Andre, I can understand were your idea comes from. First of all we do want to replace the existing mast. We do know that this is not a proper mast it's a fishing boat mast on a hinge.
But a hollow wooden mast is not the way to go. First of all it's too expensive. We're talking at least 2 000€ per meter mast and we need about 50. 100k just for the masts is out of our budget. Second, maintenance. Wooden masts need to be repainted oiled or painted about twice a year. Trust me we do have enough to do. And third safety, there had been a number of injuries and casualties due to braking masts and spars in the last years. The whole dutch fleet is switching to metal masts. So we will probably buy steel masts and from a distance of about 10 meters nobody sees the difference and one mast is 8k instead of 50k...
@@FlyingConey Buying the masts was not what I was thinking about... True wooden masts would need quite some attention. But they will break only if not taken care of, if not glued but build of entire logs with knots inside, overload is of course an issue especially for massive masts. We can talk German if you like, but keeping the discussion accessible for everyone English may be the way. Steel masts do require the same attention, especially when getting older as the paint really needs to be in perfect shape unlike on the hull to prevent corrosion. And I don't believe a mast is available for 8 k, at least not a tapered one. A simple pipe will be, yes.
@@andrebauer576 There are always two sides to the word safe. One is if a wooden mast can be safe the other one is what the class has to say. Legally we're a yacht but we try to comply with the rules for traditional sailing ships. So I agree with you a wooden mast can be safe but the classification surveyors do not like them.
The masts are similar to the masts you find on dutch barges and I'm almost sure they're not tapered. That's why you have topmasts and yes it's possible to make them out of wood to safe some weight aloft.
Of course also steel masts need to be maintained but a good two component coating lasts a few years and if you get a little bit behind the schedule it's not as much of a problem compared to a wooden mast.
@@FlyingConey The classification surveyors have to deal usually with non hollow log made masts, that's why. But there are many large classic charter yachts with wooden masts. I'm a naval architect and carpenter myself and had to deal with class surveyors (also naval architects) quite sometimes. I built my 8.5m mast for my little boat myself according to plan. Which I have bought. The wood from Brasker masts is truly not cheap at all. But this stuff is also used for Steinway Pianos and sorted by strength piece by piece.
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How can you possibly think about sailing when you can’t even keep it afloat it’s got more holes and patches that thing will be lucky to make it out of port you better keep that working platform handy you might need it for a life boat and yes my wife is away that’s why I am writing this
Six months later still no leaks and a bone dry bilge. Hope you'll get some potato peeling next week for this comment 😉
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Everytime you look somewhere you find more work. They could have just poured concrete into the bottom of boat for ballast. Better check before you start removing that concrete. Good luck. Did not notice the touchup. Great job. When do you think you
Will be finished. It sounded like your batteries were drained. Put them on a trickle charger
Hi tommy, yes we do have a concrete ballast but if you look closely you see that there's the flat concrete bottom and concrete in between the frames. We only want to remove the concrete in between the frames. We will weigh how much we've removed and bolt a steel bar to the keel.
@@FlyingConey o.k. and you may have to adjust with the mast.Not sure if you can use a scheel keel cup shaped on each side and gives you a shallow depth. Can make it from steel and put concrete inside
@@FlyingConey not sure if that concrete stabilises the sides so that there is not too much bending of the plates cob rete. If you have a sharp transition you may have problems
The structure comes from the frames and we also talked about this repair with the class surveyor and the yard. Our guess is that the concrete in between the frames was supposed to create a bowl for water. Our boat was rebuilt when they stoped to salt the herring at sea and started to use ice. So they probably searched for a way to protect the frames from the melting ice. That's also why we had a thick cork insulation.
If we need external ballasts heavy square bars of steel are bolted on sideways onto the keel. This is also done at fishing vessels to improve the stability. Concrete is a relatively light ballast so steel is much better.
@@FlyingConey well I would love it alone jack hammering the con rete can cause a lot of leaks everywhere. If everything is o.k. just leave it alone
Question, why do you have to lower the aft deck? If the cabin top clears the boom, then I’d imagine the extra interior volume would be a bonus.
Also, obviously the concrete in the hull is ballast. I’d assume you have to replace whatever is removed for the hull repairs, but it brings up an interesting question. How do you determine the size of the rig the ship can manage? Are you consulting with a naval architect or just going back with what was originally there? Could you go over some numbers to determine sail size, estimated speed vs amount of wind and how you came up with the proposed rigging?
+1 Gaffe Rigged
When steering a sailing boat you need to see the sails, so the perfect steering position is standing on the aft deck. The higher the aft deck is the more sail area you loose. The boom has to clear the wheelhouse but that's not good enough for the entire aft deck. There's enough room underneath the floor in the aft cabin, we loose space in the engine room but that's ok. Also a benefit from lowering the aft deck is that it's much easier to go from the main deck to the quarter deck.
We are not the first sailing ship conversion. Actually most ships in the dutch fleet are converted fishing vessels. So there's some experience on how tall the masts can be, how much sail area is needed. It also possible to bolt on some external steel ballast. The fact that she already was a sailing ship and she was built for the open North Sea helps. But at the end we will make a rolling and stability test. But it's not witchcraft.
Actually the ballast is scrap metal from building the boat poured over with concrete. It's the flat! part of the sole. 73 years ago they also made an experiment and poured a bit concrete in between the frames. Maybe that water in the bilge doesn't ruin the frames... Obviously it hadn't worked. So we're only removing this little bit of the concrete. We will weigh it and maybe bolt steel on to further improve the stability.
If you have any further question feel free to ask.
The ship will look so beautiful with the new rigging. How many people will it take to sail her? Will two people be able to do it?
We recently sailed on a similar ship and a good crew size for sailing is 6 people. Mostly because a halyard needs two people so with winches you could hoist a sail with two people or even alone. So with an autopilot two people can sail this boat. But why? It's more fun to sail with people than to be alone on a ship of 25 meters.
Did you say she way fast yea so was my grandmother when she was 14 not so fast now with the walking stick 😂
Where are the sweet bunnies? X
Why flying corney does not have a videos in youtube
When Flying Coney becomes a full sailing ship, how many crew will it take to sail on a long passage?
For sailing you need about 5-6 people. Once we're finished we can accommodate 12 guests plus 2-3 crew.
@@FlyingConey ok, thank you!
I think we are going to see a whole lot of bandaids on gaping wounds.
Fingers crossed but so far no serious injury. Once the sparks from the angle grinder burned through the glove and a nail gently penetrated the glove and sting into me finger.
What do I think? Sailing is better than motoring any day! 😊
I couldn't agree more 👍⛵️
There are quite a few converted motor vessels around that look like fake tall ships. In these cases, square sails seem to have been added to achieve a tall ship vibe that is not convincing. I would much rather see a simple schooner rig.
What you're pointing out here is the difference of the Dutch and German sailing ship fleet. Not sure how much I should nerd out here but you got me started...
Flying Coneys hull shape was drawn by an Austrian man who studied the famous tea clippers and adopted a sailing ship hull for the use of an engine. Also because of the war she probably had an auxiliary and emergency ketch rig.
Flying Coney fished either as a drift netter or seiner. So it was important how the boat sails through the water also because her first engine only had 150hp. In opposite to trawlers where the focus is the towing performance.
But I agree with you a simple gaff schooner rig would do trick and is more reasonable than a tops'l schooner rig. Although the square sails would be great on longer ocean crossings.
Will you need to add a keel to counter the wind forces?
On a ship like ours you have internal ballast and no external keel. In our case this ballast is scrap metal from building the ship poured over with concrete. If necessary it's possible to bolt on external steel bars to improve the stability.
I'm a bit weirded out. The music is from my self reliance
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Are the plans (original) still on record? I am curious as to what her price would be if the was another ship built like her at todays prices!
The problem with building new is that you have to comply with every rule for a new ship. I think the closest thing to a newly built sailing ship is the tall ship Avatar and they are the same size as we are and have used a similar hull. Roughly 1.2 to 1.5 million euro for a project like this.
What is the Urk
Marine depth?
At least more than 3 meters in most areas. In some areas even more than 5 meters. Why are you asking? We're no longer in Urk!
that rig looks expensive and ambitious - I hope you can get there.
It's about the rig she had in her past. The square yards roughly ad one third to the costs. For a basic schooner rig we're talking about 60-90k.
@@FlyingConey Ok - given a carbon mast can be more that seems very reasonable.
It's very easy to make a rig more expensive. We aim for standard steel masts, turnbuckles instead of deadeyes and no fancy furlers. It's still quite a lot of material, a lot of rope, steel cables and canvas. That adds up. Also the calculations and rig drawings are not for free.
What's the song in this one?
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What's the name of the song?? I recognize it but cannot remember the name or who sang it
Binkley - Our Own Thing
We've used it before.
@@FlyingConey thank you
Why do you have to lower the wheel house when it was a sailing ship before, i wouldn't.
Because the wheelhouse was lower back then and also a little bit shorter. The problem is with a higher wheelbase you have less sail area and you steer from the aft deck anyways.
@@FlyingConey OH Gotcha, I never sailed before, even though I would love to and like to learn
How long before you both learn to weld?
My guess is it could be a regulation thing that only certified welders are allowed to weld on structural parts of a ship. Not sure though.
This! Also, one poorly done weld by us and we pay a second completely unnecessary haul out. That's not worth it. If the yard is responsible for welding it's their problem if there's a problem.
@@FlyingConey that’s fair enough, safety critical stuff makes sense. I trained in industrial chemistry but learned to weld years ago. Id certainly not claim to any high standard but still immeasurably useful.
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The steering house in the design you made looks a bit out of place, too much like a random square box. That might need a little more design effort to make it more in line with the shape of the boat. Maybe a little lower or with a slight angle.
You'r right but unfortunately we are no designers. We have no idea how to show the curved front of the wheelhouse in the drawing. The whole plan is based on real photos and it's roughly up to scale. Of course the bigger a boat is the more elegant the lines are, so maybe that's why you think a lower wheelbase would look better. Yes, but you can't scale down people and we do want to have 2 meter standing hight. 😉
I wish I had your money 😂😂😂
Well I probably would exchange it to your income.
What's the name of the song at 18.02
Binkley - Our own thing
@@FlyingConey thank you
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