Cognitive Function Attitudes | CPT Explained
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- The third episode in the CPT Explained series, this time looking at the attitudes of CPT: convergence and divergence. Check out the first two episodes below:
Episode 1 - • The Cognitive Function...
Episode 2 - • Cognitive Function Pai...
Thanks to Kiara Kerrick for the subtitles!
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Hi, I'm Harry, and I'm intensely passionate about personality typing and self-development - so much so that I have created my own Jung-inspired system, taking a more high-resolution look at the factors making up personality.
Through Cognitive Personality Theory I examine the underlying mechanisms behind cognition, and the means through which a single type can have limitless individual variation - I believe type itself is just a set of cognitive predispositions that can according to the needs of the situation be overcome.
I don't believe any type is limited in what they can achieve, but have noticed sensationalist attitudes and internet trends propagating a culture in which type-development is actively discouraged in favour of conforming to simplistic archetypes. Through CPT I hope to dispel various myths and oversimplifications of what constitutes personality type, and along the way encourage a healthier attitude towards type that allows a person to become not who they are told they are, but rather who they want to be.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:55 - Convergence/Divergence
05:56 - Sensing-Thinking
08:26 - Intuitive-Thinking
11:53 - Sensing-Feeling
14:22 - Intuitive-Feeling
16:57 - Wrap-up
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Ni/Introverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of internal world.
Ne/Extraverted Intuition - Broad & plethoric perception of external world.
Si/Introverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of internal world.
Se/Extraverted Sensing - Specific and concrete perception of external world.
Fi/Introverted Feeling - Subjective codec; internal emotional data & harmony.
Fe/Extraverted Feeling - Subjective codec; external emotional data & harmony.
Ti/Introverted Thinking - Objective codec; internal logical order.
Te/Extraverted Thinking - Objective codec; external logical order.
Lens - Perceives data.
Codec - Rationalises data.
Convergent - Positive, creative, enacting change and seeking novelty.
Divergent - Negative, authoritative, instilling consequence and driving utility.
For more clarification on terms see the CPT eBook!
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I’ve been down the MBTI rabbit hole for a couple months now (not long, I know) and Harry’s understanding of the cognitive functions and MBTI types seems to be by far the most comprehensive.
Other descriptions and videos I’ve come across fail to explain the inner workings of MBTI, and in doing so, also represent the types in a very crude light, with others being downright inaccurate and full of contradiction.
I was beginning to think that everyone I knew (myself included) was mistyped, until I listened to Harry’s descriptions which totally brought things full circle and illuminated the lesser known aspects of each type.
Very impressed with this channel and highly recommend a deep dive for those interested in MBTI.
I very much relate to your description of Ne-Fe divergence. When I go to any social event where I am not compulsed to interact, I find it more enjoyable to observe the emotional atmosphere at a macro scale. Thinking about it, letting it inspire thoughts, allowing myself to draw conclusions on the nature and psychology of social interactions and customs. I've consistently done this throughout my life. In my book this certainly gives more credence to your theory.
- An INTP
And, do you ever just make up stories about the people based on their looks and seeming interactions? If you haven't, I suggest you start. It's great fun! And, so I am not misunderstood by anyone reading this, I am not advocating mocking sort of stories. Just stories.
This perfects explains the differences of two personalities with only the extravert/introvert differences.
Take my example: INTJ and ENTJ may look very similar, but INTJ tends to be less opinionated than ENTJ; ENTJ tends to make a decision first, strategize later, INTJ strategizes first, make a decision later. The convergence and divergence of their function stack positions explain the reasons behind these phenomena perfectly.
Thank you!
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 Wow, the way you described the ESFP divergence at the end was mind blowing. Really impressive description. I do find that my sense of self is static.
Thank you!
Glad you are back and hoping you are well rested Harry!
Thank you Kyle!
I needed more time out than intended but I'm now recharged and back for good!
Good to see you back! " We are not beholden to our predisposition merely informed by it." I like the notion of that thought. Thanks!
Thank you :)
Hah, cheers - I was quite happy with that one!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory 🙏. Cheers!
@Kshatriya Dharma Yes, it was!
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It needs to be inscribed on a blue plaque somewhere!
@@That_Awkward_Mum I agree!
Man i sure wish you where the one on shows being reffered to as an expert instead of frank james.
What shows?
Since I know about convergence and divergence from your videos everything around cognitive functions makes so much more sense! So grateful for your work and contents! :)
I’m INFP and have an ISTJ family member. With the ISTJ, I’ve seen him adapt to life changes and his role in the family. And I used to think INFP really know themselves, but what you described makes more sense; I expect that I must know myself really well with all the time and introspection of done, but realizing that the whole reason I spend so much time is because I’m still learning who I am and it shifts over time; I don’t think someone with a static sense of self would be constantly researching who they are, they would just know it as a fact and not second-guess.
I love how your "5 signs you are not" series goes back and forth on these functions and yet this video that is essentially the framework has a tenth in interest and views
I didn't knew this concept of convergent-divergent functions despite 2 years among MBTI communities. Thanks for this briliant insight ! It offer a very decisive understanding of, for instance, the difference between an Fe-dom & an Fe-aux. I already felt there was a qualitative (and not only quantitative) difference between, say, an ESFJ and ISFJ, but couldn't formulate this difference.
My favorite guitar playin', function explainin' guru! Like 7k others I'm glad your back.
Haha, a great title there! Cheers Chris :)
Ah, now this is slightly heavier. Will take longer to ruminate upon, haha. I loved this line: "We are not beholden to our predisposition, merely informed by it." Great video, as always!
Hah, thank you, I was looking forward to getting that phrase out!
There is no channel for me more valuable than yours on UA-cam and (in life as well) Thanks a lot for the videos, btw ENTP here.😊
Being in isolation made this hiatus feel like 3 months 😭 I hope your break was refreshing!
Ahh I have to say I, for the first time this year, lost track of time completely while recuperating! Back for good now though : D
My favorite video so far! Thank you so much. I feel so much clearer on how this works.
Welcome back!! Will watch later, but happy to see you releasing content again. Hope the break was rejuvenating.
Thanks Steph, it was indeed :)
It's wonderful to see you back, Harry :)
Without a doubt you're back with another very informative and fantastic video!
Thank you, for all you do! I appreciate you and your work!
Wonderful to be back! As usual, I appreciate your support :)
Typically, I listen to most of my podcasts and videos at a higher speed. Yours are the only ones that I slow down to .75 so I can actually absorb what you are saying. You sound *slightly* drunk 😂, but it has helped me tremendously!
Glad to have you back, Harry.
Thank you! :)
Yay! You're back! Hope you feel nice and restored after your break? Once again, an informative video, I think you've explained convergent and divergent functions pretty well previously, but it always helps to have examples of the ways in which they affect each type. 🙂
Thanks Gina! Good to be back; the break was much-needed, and I did a bit of theory-expansion over its course :)
Aye, agreed. I'm intending this series to be a go-to for all CPT information, so gotta cover all the bases!
I think you should really incorporate what you said about 'understanding' into your vocabulary about divergent functions; it's really helped me get a better gage on divergence in general. I think holistically understanding, observation & being static make a lot more sense than simply just employing the latter two 😊
"We are not beholden to our predisposition, [we are] merely informed by it". Noted
So glad to see you back and well-rested. This video was so necessary, I think I’ll rewatch some of the old ones once I have fully absorved this one. I’ve always found the notions of convergence and divergence a lot more nuanced and useful than the traditional mbti first-second function vs. third-fourth.
Thank you so much! It's great to be back :)
Welcome back! :)
Thanks Amy!
Happy to find this channel 🤗🤗. But anyway first I need to work on understanding the very proper meaning of each and every word and concept you say before watching these videos again.. So will be back afer that 😂😅 as without those I feel what I'm getting as incomplete 😅🙃
Glad you are back man. I had to entertain myself with hacks for three weeks
Haha, glad to be back my friend!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Harry, do you have an opinion on my type? Everyone else does, was wondering if you can bring some purity to this cesspool of projection.
A video with the two you talking would be extremely enlightening.
@@ninawillow2429 I don’t think he will.
I'm not really sure how much I buy into it model but damn is it interesting to listen to you explain it
I appreciate the open mind and kind words!
Thanks Harry, welcome back! :)
Thank you! Good to be back :)
Hello, I've been watching your videos for a while now. And I really loved the whole Convergent and Divergent concept. Would this be more akin to how Jung described the cognitive stack, having the consciousness of an introvert as being both introverted functions (a Dominant with it's auxiliary), while the unconscious having two extraverted functions (the Inferior with it's own auxiliary) and vice versa? That would make for example the INFJ have a concious Ni>Ti, while having an unconcious Se>Fe. One could first think that the consciousness (convergent) is easier to observe in oneself, but you are here saying its the other way around, and the unconscious (divergent) is the observable one.
I think the way you explain it actually makes more sense, where the conscious is for ever being acted upon (at least while awake), the unconscious acts involuntarily and therefore one cannot take responsibility for it, which would make it more observable, as if it was another person within ourselves that did it.
Also I've heard that our dip functions are totally subconscious, don't know who said it originally though. Do you think that in our sleep the dip functions are totally awake? And when we are awake, wouldn't that mean that when our regular functions dip into our subconscious functions, that we are bringing our subconscious into cognition? That is when our subconscious is most functional, it's strength directly proportional to how deep our main functions dip into our subconscious ones (?)
Thanks for this comment! Yes this was very much derived from Jung in that respect :)
Where I divergence is the differentiation between consciousness - Jungian consciousness seemed to pertain more to egoistic relation than awareness, as our divergent functions are less egoistically related to but actually more observable as a result.
We are limited to introverted functions during sleep, although they may be inspired by a greater relation to extraverted functions in a fantastical sense.
I liken subconsciousness to automation; those dips that occur non-volitionally will likely be more subconscious, but volitional dipping will often be fully conscious :)
Just started watching your videos and there super interesting. Also your kind of cut🙈
Glad to hear! Haha, thanks on both accounts!
Welcome back! Have u checked the new studies about brain activities and behaviours? I don’t remember the actual names of the studies but one can’t unsee how related they are to CPT.
I've checked studies in the last few years but nothing super recent - what I've researched strongly correlates with CPT, though, which is totally awesome!
If you do recall the names or links be sure to send them my way :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory i digged a bit around my Chrome history +found some stuff, clueless about your timetable i couldn't verify if this would be ''recent'' or some precosmolic gossip for you, Harry. It's prp best to check this book 'Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality''.
@Bravadi Malangjoedo yes hi, a book 'Dario Nardi's Neuroscience of Personality', and u r welcome.
My own personal pov supports this (if it's true that I'm INTP) because it totally makes sense to me that I function analytically in Ti-Si, and take Ne-Fe for granted - and all the other conv/div don't seem particularly real yet.
You wouldn't take FeNe for granted as an INTP as it's the backbone if you will of your cognition. INTPs are highly adept at perceiving the plethoric limbic landscape, it's enacting upon that landscape where they might find themselves flat footed outside of type development. Important to note you used 'NeFe' but rather its 'FeNe' for the INTP.
All this suggests to me that a better way to influence another person is to appeal to their divergent, rather than convergent, function pair.
Welcome back (to your own channel) 🤓
Hehehe, thanks :D
Hi harry, when you do a test please put it in spanish lenguaje too. For the spanish speakers please. Thanks for your videos, they are really crear for us.
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The divergent pair seems to function similarly (or at least analogously) to lens (perception) - especially intuition.
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Intuition seems less immediate than the other three functions - as if it is somehow derived from the others (T and F?).
Hey Harry, can you explain a little further why control is a term used to describe a convergent function and order is a term used to describe convergent? Great video btw, thank you
Hi! Convergence locks in to something as an extension of desire - it controls as it the self 'converges' into the locus in question. Divergence observes more than controls, as reality here is divergent, and thus open, and thus outside of the lock brought about by desire :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory Thanks for your explanation :) Can you further explain why the word "order" is used to describe the more observant divergent functions? I understand the word "control" being used to describe a convergent function, but not "order" for divergent. These two terms, order and control, seem to overlap in definitions. I'm curious how you're using them here.
Here’s what I don’t understand: it seems like you’re suggesting that the type of lensing we have is the same as our codec. But for me, I have vastly dominant Extroversion in my Thinking and Feeling, whereas introversion is dominant in my sensing and intuition. But there don’t appear to be any typings listed for that.
I'm gonna declare I'm an ESFP(could be ISFP as well) like ive always known and call it a day :| This stuff is complicated lol
So the realm of change is convergence in CPT and contact functions in Socionics? And the realm of observation is divergence in CPT and inert functions in Socionics? Can this justify a correlation between a type in CPT and its functional opposite in Socionics, i.e. INTJ -> ESFp? I know they are two quite different systems; just a thought experiment.
If I may ask, what level of agreement do you have with the common assessment I see given where if you are always uncertain about being INFJ, that you are in fact an INFP instead? I mean there are times when I truly think I relate strongest to the traits of the INFJ, but I always have that itch that I might be wrong due to the nature of how common it is for people to mistype themselves, and as much as I know I should not cave in to what everyone and anyone says on the internet, mistyping oneself as the INFJ seems like the most commonplace misstep that I would like to avoid if I can be certain. A little egoistic reasoning, but I suppose I cannot help it lol. So I am not asking for you to type me since I know that falls under your service, but rather your stance on this particular concept.
I should note that I have read an absolute truckload about functions, common strengths and flaws, different typing methods, and seem to be able to accurately type others I know well easily. I think I started this roughly in January, and it's just been a steamroll since then, but I'm gonna have to say my memory can be pretty darn finicky since I often catch myself realizing I have already read a thread I look up about it.
Apologies about the overload, I will make sure to take up on your consultation service soon about some questions.
I respect your logical approach to this!
Honestly, these two types (particularly the INFJ) are so misrepresented that uncertainty on either side is not only likely, but reasonable. I've typed INFPs who wonder if they're INFJs, and INFJs who wonder if they're INFPs - Ni tends to be conflated with Fi in popular descriptions, and the J vs P dichotomy sowes even more confusion!
Excellent question. I've thought about it many times myself. 🙏
🤗 Hey Harry!
Hi!
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory hope you’re well rested 😀
Great video! I'm new to the mbti and cpt. I am a bit confused about how the convergent and divergent function pairings interact with each other.
In the case of me an intp, my Si would supplement my Ti dominant. How does Ne-Fe interact with my Ti dominant? Do I observe my Ne supplemented by my Fe, to take action through my Ti, which is being supplemented by my Si?
This is surely interesting!
Ne-Fe here observes the social landscape in a vague but plethoric manner, zooming in with Se to POIs. Ti-Si refines a detailed framework over time as new information is reflected upon, employing a degree of Ti-Ni to unify details with universal concepts :)
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory yeah i understand now, i also watched quite a few of your comparison videos too to understand the working of functions in different types.
your theory is very solid, and explains the functions very deeply.
Can one of the mods please explain to me why my post was removed?
I'm really annoyed about this because now my fence has fallen over...
He's been saving this bacon!
in socionics (model g) the INTp is called NiTx, because apparently they use Ti a lot more than their given credit for. How exactly could this occur in your model?
The authority function has a significant influence on its opposite orientation - INFJs (NiFe) use plenty of Fi too. In some ways I even consider this the 'target function', as it longs to be integrated with the dominant and brought into the same attitude (as opposed to its usual divergent state).
So 1) as a sub-authority function (Ti must be abided by in said type) and 2) as a target function to be integrated with the dominant, and in some senses the bridge by which opposing and dominant functions can be reconciled.
@@CognitivePersonalityTheory would you say that the INTp has to use NiFi to dip down into Ti? Basically is Ti's influence on the INTp ego indirect or direct?
2:30: It makes sense to me that an INFJ would take some responsibility for Fe, since it's the 2nd "strongest" function for that type. On the other hand, extroverted intuition (#8 in their list?), or introverted feeling (#7?)...?
No such thing as second strongest function in CPT. Yet it's the types authority so their will be a degree of magniticism but they're primarily NiTi convergents. Functions aren't rated on a 1,2,3,4 basis like in MBTI.
Thank you for the subtitles. I feel I must boost your ego as you boosted mine.
Your behavior feels more like a stereotypical INTJ though…
Off topic but where are you? Ireland perhaps?
Northern England!
can you make a video about this using a language some not so well educated people can understand too please?
would be nice bre
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@@imitationgame2328 lol hahahahahha
I want you to know- not to brag in any way, but for your own reassurance that people do care- I have recommended your channel a lot. But, I didn't know the name of it at first, so I could only give such descriptions as it being on UA-cam and run by a man who looks like he could have been cast as Jesus in the 1970s and really lays down the facts.
Also, "Ut oh!" Which is to say, I haven't watched all of parts 1 and 2, yet.
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3:25: So it appears to me that INFJs (Ni Ti) and ISTPs (Ti Ni) are quite highly theoretical (?), and possibly the most theoretical types (INTJs (Ne Fe) seem more wildly imaginative, and INTPs (Ti Si) more rigorously logical). (?)
INFJ/ESFP more conceptual & ISTP/ENFJ more theoretical. Yes, ISFJ/INTP more analytical. Of course these are just predispositions. I'm highly theoretical & analytical for instance. Not that you implied this but I wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that ESFPs aren't conceptual & ENFJs aren't theoretical as after all like take the ENFJ for example, the ENFJ is still synthesising & conglomerating their Ni in order to bring it into alignment with their Ti - they'll be consulting a range of abstract theories & synthesising these convergently to come up with their own universal theorems of everything. It's not that they don't tinker with their TiNi, it's just not tinkered with as often (unless you're a divergent subtype of course). Unless one lives in a vacuum & isn't exposed to new information there's always going to be a degree of convergence going on.
But you fail to explain when SE-Te is convergent and when it is divergent!
you fail to say what makes a pair of functions divergent and what makes them convergent.
I feel you. I found this out from other books on the subject so I can make some sense of all this, but it's quite a long explanation - e.g. for ESFJ the order by strength of functions is Fe, Si, Ne, Ti; and so the convergent pair is Fe-Ne and the divergent (weaker) pair is Si-Ti.
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Using this pattern you can find the order of strength of the 4 functions in each type, and their orientations, based on the types he assigns to each pair in the previous video, and to the convergent and divergent pairs in this video.
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The convergent pair is always the strongest and 3rd strongest function, the divergent pair the 2nd and 4th.
@@red-baitingswine8816nooooo for the ESFJ TiSi would not be weaker! You're missing the point. Watch the content on the role of the oppositional which should give you some clarity you have to take MBTI out of the matrix completely here.
@@Tified967 Yes in a sense the more subconscious functions are not weaker. But there's no rationale here I can identify for determining which functions are intro/extro and which ones take a back seat in our conscious awareness, and the MBTI rationale gives the same results apparently taken for granted (and very nicely expanded upon!) here. (?)