I want to say thank you very much for this video Fr Peter and OE team, I did watch this video before but now it gave me and resonatee so much more! Thank you for imparting such blessed teachings for us that try to follow the narrow path 🙏🙏🙏
Glory to Jesus Christ ☦️ May we all have your blessings Father Peter ☦️ May we all be made worthy to experience the final Theosis after our purification journey on the narrow path of the Church on Earth.
*Title: THEOSIS - The True Purpose of the Human Life* September 25th, 2023 - The day this video was uploaded to UA-cam. Speakers of This Video Discussion ☦Hieromonk Felipe Balingit ☦Father Peter Heers 0:00 Title Sequence. 0:30 Thanks to Father Filipp for having this conversation with Fr. Peter Heers. 1:03 This is Going to Be a Talk On Theosis *The Fall of Man* 💀 2:02 The Fall of Man from The Garden, Man is Created In The Image and Likeness of God In The Fall, Man Lost The Likeness of God. ☦ 3:45 Thank God for preserving The Orthodox Fathers of this age. 7:30 On Theosis. Can Theosis be reached in this life? 11:17 Unceasing Prayer and The 1 Path To Salvation. 13:08 Theosis - Becoming, By Grace, Like God. Theosis: The Transformation of The Whole Person, By Grace. ☦⛪ 14:37 Theosis is Not possible outside The Orthodox Church. 15:12 A Christ-Centered Life. A Full-Time Life, not part time. 20:03 The Role of The Church is to be accessible to Sincere, Christ-Seeking people. 21:29 A Personal Struggle along with God's Grace, God's Gifts. - Get rid of the garbage + God stands at the door and knocks. 22:43 Open the Door every day. Christ heals impaired human will. Part of Theosis is The Healing of The Human Will. - People mistakenly think God turns Men into Slaves. This is not the case. It is to help man become Like Christ in Being, by Grace. + Becoming Fully Human, God-Man By Grace, Like Christ. 25:10 We were made for Theosis. Synergy. ☦On Temptation 26:03 Temptation Does Not come from God, but God allows it. 27:10 The Misunderstandings of mankind. ☦ 28:12 + Faith + Trust + Healing + Synergy + Merciful + As Christ, Like Christ. 29:49 30:15 Going To Confession, exposing all of our sicknesses, not holding back. ☦Roadblock to Theosis 31:33 Lack of Will and Laziness. 33:55 "Lord, I deserve this, but please, help me." 35:23 Falling into Delusion. ☦ *The Hierarchy of Things* 36:26 What do you put at the top of your hierarchy/priorities? 38:53 Glory To Thee O God. 39:29 If you are disturbed by Worldly sin and corruption, Pray to God about this. 40:15 "The World is Suffering because we have taken Christ out of The Center." 41:53 Baptism is very important. Do not argue with The Saints. They are higher in The Spiritual Life than you. ☦The Jesus Prayer; the prayer rope, Elder Ephraim of Arizona. 43:11 The Jesus Prayer. 44:02 The Jesus Prayer: Purification & Illumination simultaneously, at the exact same time. + Calling to Christ to bring his presence, to illumine us. + Bringing Christ into the heart. ☦ The Cross 45:42 People seek to take away pain. What they do not understand, The Joy includes The Cross. 47:35 The problem of egotism. 48:54 The Beatitudes. ☦ 51:23, 57:38 Denial of Uncreated Energies is unorthodox. 52:22 Intellectual, Academic Theologians ignore Theosis. 53:03 Immerse Yourself With The Gospel. 55:04 Know God, Know Yourself 58:35 The Person of Christ. 1 Person, 2 Natures, 2 Wills. 59:50 Doctors talk about sickness, that's what doctors do. 1:01:23 Dogma is there to guarantee the healing is correct. ☦ 1:02:09 Repentance includes Christ, Repentance is a reorientation of a person towards Christ. 1:09:23 The Icons point us to Christ. + A Life Directed, Centered in, Christ. ☦ 1:10:30 Mystagouge. + The Likeness of Christ is only possible in The Orthodox Church. 1:11:24 Expert Theologians. 1:13:00 No blessing to debate from Fr. Filipp. 1:14:20 "Why do we still commit sin, Father?" please, don't think you are above The Church. ☦The Great Gifts of Living a Spiritual Life. 1:17:03 Prophetic Clairvoyance, Knowledge of The Heart of others, these are lower-end gifts. 1:18:42 It is not for The Saint, it is for The Help and Love of Neighbor. - How could a Saint maintain Spiritual Gifts and not become proud? + The Fruit of Theosis, For The Sake of Love, For Salvation of The Whole Body. + Good For Others Around Him. + Greater Increase In Love + Greater Increase of Communion. 1:21:00 Theosis is Within The Orthodox Church. 1:21:25 Love Without Willingness To Sacrifice is Not Sacrificial Love. 1:22:13 Love means He could not remain alone, it was an extension of His very being that He created Man. Because we are Loved We are moved to Love 1:23:10 You give bread, God gives His Body and Blood. Giving and Getting Giving and Getting 1:23:33 Very Beautiful. Centered On The Person of Christ 1:24:20 Glory To God ☦
Fr Peter, The content of your videos are being so helpful for me and I feel that is touching my husband’s heart too. I personally being trying to find Christ in my life, calling myself a Christian and yet not knowing anything about his traditional Church… heard about different doctrines and complete different philosophies Gnosticism, Buddhism, metaphysics while I was a curious Mormon… (while I was trying to find my spiritual path) Thank you! for putting this together and for the joy to hear Fr. Filipp to come in the help of our empty and weak soul. Thank you for uplifting me and reminding me how wrong I was❤ ☦️
Saint AiKaterina has been praying for you since your name was given to you. She is your Patron (Karen is a shortened form of Katerina, like me!) Please bring your soul Home. Please Come Home to Orthodoxy. New very Morning !!!
Theosis isn't possible in Rome because Rome excommunicated the rest of the Church and made the Papacy the head of the Church. Christ Jesus needs NO vicar !! Please bring your soul home. Peace be with you.
@annem2922 The gates of hell did in Rome, culminating in the excommunication of all the other Popes and Bishops of Christendom, except for himself. Theosis isn't possible in Rome because Rome brought in innovative teachings, excommunicated the rest of the Church and made the Papacy the head of the Church. Christ Jesus needs NO vicar !! Please bring your soul home. Peace be with you.
@annem2922 The gates of hell have not and cannot prevail over the Church -- but it certainly can over those who reject and rebel against the Church, walk away from the Holy Tradition, refuse to hear the voice of the Holy Councils, such as the Eighth Oecumenical Council, which took place in Constantinople in 879, with the participation of the representatives of the Pope and which the Pope accepted and ratified. This acceptance lasted until the 11th century when the Filioque was accepted in Rome (in 1014) and even after this, until after the anathemas in 1054. BUT... alas... the pope and people in Rome followed the leadership of non-Romans, of Franks, from the north, which had long before embraced the heretical addition to the Creed ("and the son"). History is very clear: the pope, post 1000, walked away from the Council and Faith that his predecessors had embraced. The Pope and those in the north rejected the Nicene Creed that was accepted in the Councils for 1000 years.
@OrthodoxEthos I'm new to the fundamental concepts of the orthodox church but very interested due to the recent experience and relationship I find myself to be locked into. I'm curious about theosis and specifically what members of your church have or have had achieved theosis? I know from my experience that the concept and the underpinning of the capability of achieving theosis the orthodox church stands on is totally correct and is the truth. Could you please point me somewhere to inquire further about these concepts and possibly a respectful opinion? Thank you and God bless 🙌 🙏
Frequent communion is also relative to what is within your capability. If you can’t go anywhere else God will not withdraw His grace from you. It is however, an issue when we choose to not receive and we have access to the mysteries.
As one who wants to come into the Orthodox faith and out of Reformed protestantism, I will add a comment as someone who has had a life time of protestantism. It was always told to me that salvation is a single event. It is a change of heart, a mystical rebirth of one who is spiritually dead. Once we are saved, we are saved. What protestants refer to as sanctification is something else that comes about by obeying the teachings of Christ and the scriptures. Nothing mystical happens. We are simply more Christ-like and we do Christ-like things because we ARE saved. Doing good works is evidence of salvation and not a progression towards salvation. I was also taught (nothing about Eastern Orthodoxy) but that the alternative is Rome where good works are a way of earning salvation. The notion that theosis is a progession and not some sort of "earning" is hard to get a western mind around. I'm striving, and I'm more able to say more about what Theosis is not rather than what it is. Holy Baptism in the Orthodox church unites me to Christ's body, but salvation continues to develop and mature and grow as a participate in the church, its teachings, and its mysteries in all areas of my life . . . but I'm not earning/paying-for salvation. It is my understanding from Christ's sermon on the mount that good works unaccompanied by a devoted heart wanting to please God are nothing more than empty works. I hope I'm on the right track in my understanding. But, the key difference to me in the disconnect between protestant salvation and orthodox theosis is what I started with. Protestant salvation is a single event EVIDENCED by continuing in good works and not developed by good works.
In a practical sense, gnostics will have a tiered structure of secret knowledge levels for the elect, while in Orthodoxy it is all clear and open to everyone what and how to reach for theosis, because Salvation in Christ is for everyone.
Everyone is trying to become like God anyway. There is just one difference. Are you doing this under God's will, guidance and protection.. or are you doing it by yourself?
Because you must know, that if you are doing it by yourself, you are Still under the hand of other guiding sources, but these sources are not under the hand of God, they are cut off from His grace.. therefore, the judgements these spirit guides receive, is the same as what you will receive. And just because you dont receive it instantaneously, dont be fooled into thinking its not coming to you. It is.
I am a protestant believer. I listen to a lot of orthodox teachings, and I truly resonate with most of them. I love Jesus I am in relationship with him. He is my savior. He is my Lord. And I do believe that in taking communion It is far more than a symbol, but it is in some mystical way I cannot comprehend it is the body and the blood of Jesus. I say all that to say that a “ problem” that I have with orthodoxy is that I a believer and follower of Christ is actually considered not part of the body of Christ but outside the church because I am at Protestant. Yet, I continue to listen to many orthodox teachers setting aside that belief that I am not a true Christian, or even on the path to salvation.
You may find helpful the book “On the Reception of the Heterodox into the Orthodox Church” from Uncut Mountain Press. In this book we explain what the saints and Fathers since Apostolic times understood regarding the general work and activity of the Holy Spirit throughout creation and the distinct operation of the Holy Spirit through the Mysteries (Sacraments) for man’s purification, illumination, and theosis. uncutmountainpress.com/shop/product/on-the-reception-of-the-heterodox-into-the-orthodox-church-the-patristic-consensus-and-criteria/
God must be able to work with those outside of official Orthodox communion, because so many people cannot participate in an Orthodox church. You can't believe God is love and exclude all outside Orthodox communion from relationship with Christ, or theosis as God wills.I appreciate the Truth of the church, but God knows all, and knows who love Him. There's no option for me to be in communion, but I am studying Orthodox teachings, and Christ knows that I want the Truth.
With this logic then I suppose not even the incarnation is necessary, seeing has how all that’s needed is your mental ascents. The Church is the continuation of Christ’s physical presence on earth. As there is one Christ there is one Church. There is not a union of multiple brides who all claim to have the Holy Spirit whilst contradicting each other. There can only be one. Truth is definitive and universal, the humanistic logic that God saves outside of His Church via the heresies or flat out denials of other sects and religions is fundamentally flawed and spiritually atheistic.
Appreciate what your saying about the Jesus prayer. I was told say it at most 10x/day while standing or prostrating. How am I supposed to cultivate unceasing prayer like that? I don’t know, it’s very confusing
Unceasing prayer isn’t gained by Buddhist style mediation. It’s about stilling the heart. Not letting things pass as a mere passive observer, but becoming watchful and vigilant over the heart. Unceasing prayer is the weapon by which we obtain watchfulness which in turn, enables us to strive towards dispassion. Prostrations help to humble the body and thus the soul follows. It is in pride that we see ourselves beyond this tool and a rejection of incarnation in that we fail to see the importance our bodies have in struggling towards salvation. By humbling the body, the soul learns to submit and the body no longer dictates its directions, this in turn, enhances one’s prayer life and helps to cultivate noetic prayer which in turn leads to ceaseless prayer. It’s done in steps. There is no short cut and their will be set backs and back slides. Push forward. No matter what get up and carry your cross.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you. I’m saving this comment, it is helpful to me to understand how powerful prostrations are for the prayer life . But is it correct that I should only say the Jesus prayer while prostrating? Not while driving, or washing dishes, etc?
@@annalynn9325you have no answer but I think it's meant by your teacher for you to put your mind into it (probably before it becomes natural for you) I don't know but for me prostrations did help a lot except I have some issue with my stomach and it hurts when I do, but prostrations or standing on my knees trying to be in stillness helps me a lot, saying Jesus prayer when not 100% invested into it for me does very little lately compared to when I did fullheartedly Maybe that's what's meant by your teacher
As far as I understand theosis; as the true purpose of human life. (I am an Anglican/Anglo-Catholic). In terms my missional work in my church, how do I put this across in simple enough terms that folk will understand? Also can I clarify my own understanding? In short, (going off St. Augustine.) Where we are: We are born into original sin - We can't deny it, because we see it all around us. The objective: To become like Jesus, in complete unity to be co-heirs with Christ. Sinless. How do we get there: Faith, the sacramentum, prayer, self-control, good works. Am I right in thinking about these are three important points that can aid our understanding? The sacraments: comes from Tertullian from the Latin word sacramentum. Which was the oath of allegience a new recruit swore upon joining the Roman Army - Tertullian saw the "sacramentum" as a change to a new way life. Hence the analogy. Christianity is not a religion but a way of life. We don't worship a big beardy chap in the sky armed with thunderbolts (Zeus), rather we seek to become like Christ. Then there is the definition of worship, which can get confused in most protestant denominations. As far as I am aware, it is the partaking of sacraments that is the actual worship, whilst hymns and songs are praise and thanksgiving. Therefore the it is partaking of the sacramentum, a change to the spiritual life to become more and more like Christ, which is written into the liturgy; even the Book of Common Prayer from the Church of England, we don't see the wood for the trees. For a point of Martin Luther, and faith without works. His argument was that if you are Christian then good works should naturally follow. That doesn't take into account human nature. For me, Lutheranism only has the potential of working if you have theosis as a datum. If you partake of the sacramentum, the spiritual life, to be like Christ - then yes Good works will naturally follow.
Love this thank you for this content , i have always seen jesus christ path as a spirtual steps , bethlehem means a body of bread and in arabic is a body of flesh ( so we are born in a body of flesh ) and nazareth means to overcome ( overcome our own ego ) jesus overcame the world (our inner world ) and jerusalem is the perfect light ( enlightenment ) , jesus tought us and showed us the path , he is the path himself , we can see the whole bible on the cross , when we do gods will , we become cruscified and we can love selflessly , we also become detached from the material world immediatly
“No theosis outside the Orthodox Church.” How could anything outside the church even exist if there is no participation in the divine energies outside the church?!?
Not a clergyman, just unworthy laywoman. This is the Orthodox Study Bible note for Luke 9:46-50: "9:46-50 Little child: See note on Mt 18:1- 4. Theophylact sees John's comment as a regret, his conscience having been pricked by what Christ said about the least and the great. St. Ambrose, on the other hand, sees John as expecting full obedience to accompany such blessings. In either interpretation, Christ's response shows those acting in good faith are not excluded, even if currently they are not numbered among the disciples. "See how divine grace is at work even in those who are not His disciples" (Theoph; see also Nm 11:24-30). On those using Christ's name without good faith, see 11:23; Acts 19:13-16.
I'm Catholic but I'll answer: casting out demons, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, are not the same as theosis. Someone can cast out demons and prophesy, and still go to hell. Matthew 7:21-23
Does anyone have any book or video recommendations for someone who knows nothing about it? I was raised in a kooky non denominational evangelical church which I rejected. I'd like to about the actual roots of Christianity. Any suggestions welcome and thanks
I was raised Mormon. They believe God is actually a deified man, and that man can progress to the same essence as God this is obviously completely heretical. I have been a protestant for most of my Christian life. Evangelicals are so terrified to fall into the little gods heresy, that I think they are missing a huge aspect. If you read John 10 and 82, you come to the inescapable conclusion, that yes, what God has in mind for us is some type of nature that is more Godlike than our current human nature. However, not the same essence as God. Thank you for orthodox denominations having held onto this truth that was Apparently commonly understood among all early church fathers. The modern church, especially evangelicalism, is missing a lot.
I am sorry to say this, because I desperately want to hear and understand this content, but between the accents , and the very poor miking- sound quality, I cannot understand much of what’s being said. I am listening on a new iPhone and a set of Air Pods. I feel like I should be able to receive this transmission properly but no.
"Theosis is not fully achieved in this life..." I was under the impression that the Saints had achieved Theosis. I guess that they achieved a facet of Theosis based on the assertion above? That in and of itself warrants a new question of "is Theosis a multifaceted objective"?
Common terms for Christian Perfection/Theosis found in both patristic and early methodist sources: Happy in God The kingdom within Filled with the Spirit Sealed with the Spirit Witness of the Spirit (Assurance) Clothed with power from on high The Promise of the Father The Anointing The Spirit of Adoption Perfect Love Spiritual Canaan The Mind of Christ The Comfort of the Spirit God's Rest Warm in the Spirit Baptism of the Spirit Entire Sanctification The Second Blessing Overshadowing of the Spirit Quickening of the Spirit Animated by the Spirit Intoxicated with the Spirit Liberty of the Spirit The Living Water (Live Agua) Wells bubbling over (overflowing) from innermost being Illumination Enlightenment etc.
Each day should be devoted to miracles. The purpose of time is to enable you to learn how to use time constructively. It is thus a teaching device and a means to an end. Time will cease when it is no longer useful in facilitating learning. Miracles make minds one in God. They depend on cooperation, because the Sonship is the sum of all that God created. Miracles therefore reflect the laws of eternity, not of time. Miracles reawaken the awareness that the spirit, not the body, is the altar of truth. This is the recognition that leads to the healing power of the miracle. Miracles are part of an interlocking chain of forgiveness which, when completed, is the Atonement. Atonement works all the time and in all the dimensions of time. The Holy Spirit is the highest communication medium. Miracles do not involve this type of communication, because they are _temporary_ communication devices. When you return to your original form of communication with God by direct revelation, the need for miracles is over. A Course In Miracles (Author: Jesus Christ)
So when Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,nobody comes to the father except through me,he was talking about the church?. What about That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life? What about John 3:16? Did God give his only begotten church or his only begotten son? What his church on the cross or his son? Did the church die for your sins or did Christ? Was christ betrayed by judas or was the church? Was the thief on the cross saved by christ or by the church??? You have NO right to tell the Christian world that they have no salvation outside of the church... if I baptize a man on his death he'd and he confesses with his mouth that that christ is his Savior and asks for forgiveness and then dies...are you telling us all that he would go to hell because he wasn't orthodox???
What is a church , is it the house of God? Is it a building with holy relics? Is a church a priest and a congregation who practice the holy sacraments? What is a church, perhaps a place where God abides in us? Maybe all of the above . Christ used to read scripture in the Synagogues and turned over the money lenders tables because he said that it's the house of God.The Bible does not mention that Jesus entered the holy of holies. The Pharisees were the problem. The synagogues were holy places but not their priests. Perhaps our churches are holy but are our priests? That's not the point , the point is that wherever Jesus visited he allowed miracles to happen.Most or all of Christ's miracles were gone outside a synagogue. Christ's church had very little to do with the holy of holies and more to do saving sinners. I believe that our duty as Christians is firstly to do as Christ did and forgive outside the church, help outside the church and once you have gone good deeds then attend church. Do you think fasting is so important then become a vegan, it simply won't save you. Do you think church is so important then fast pray and go to church but be aware of that God will not approve unless you have forgiven or helped your fellow man. I do agree Church is the house of God but you are the house of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately priests have emphasised that you cannot take communion unless you have fasted , and a non orthodox person cannot take orthodox communion. Ok perhaps I have confused you. The simple truth is that when you live in Christ the whole world is your church because the Holy Spirit abides in you and you should worship and partake in the Holy sacraments.
There's Ekklesia (the People of God) in English called the Church. There's buildings called kyriakon, which are houses of the Lord. Also church in English. That's where people get confused. The reason why people who aren't Orthodox cannot partake of the Holy Eucharist is because they might not believe and they are not prepared. It is to protect them. This has always been done since the first century. Fasting before the Holy Eucharist is always important. We do not mix other foods with that which is Christ in our stomachs. That is also why we partake of blessed prosfora and in Slavic tradition wine after, to make sure we get all of Christ and the first thing we ingest after Christ to be blessed by Him. You don't understand our Faith. Please get to know the ancient Faith of Christ before making judgments clouded by Western Christian theology.
Full sanctification (theosis) is the grand depositum which God has lodged with the people called Methodists; and for the sake of propagating this chiefly He appeared to have raised us up. - Wesley This doctrine was for John Wesley the central emphasis of the Methodist movement. He believed Methodism existed because God had given them the calling to spread the teaching of full sanctification (theosis). All Methodists in that day after a conscious conversion began to seek for the removal of the least and last remains of the carnal mind. This reveals the secret of the peculiar power which characterized their ministry. They did not backslide because they set their faces immediately after their conversion toward the Canaan of Perfect Love. This was the goal to which they all aspired.
I'll try to setup some time to conduct an analysis, using Audio Speech Analysis (ASA), of the speech of those who are in the videos of your channel, so that I can determine if such people are being led by the demonic or the Divine. ASA is the "crème de la crème" method to determine truth in speech. Let's see what happens.....
@@theStormaftertheCalm You are wanting to use an imperfect man-made device to analyse if they tell you the truth? Please tell me that this is a dry joke....
@@Calimerothesadbird - If you even had a clue to what I'm referring to you'd better understand my comment. Since you have maybe 1% understanding your retort is lifeless and intellectual honesty is seriously lacking, due to the fact that you launched a retort instead of questions to gain more knowledge on the subject. With that stated, I'm going to respond in kind by being done with you by no longer responding to your demonic retorts. See ya; I'd never want to be ya!
I’m sad… his microphone isn’t very good, and combined with his accent it is quite difficult to really hear what he is saying. I’m missing like 50% of his wisdom. 😓
According to the Orthodox theology of theosis, man is no more united to God than he is the sun - he simply participates in the energies of both. This is pseudo (energetic) not real (ontological) union with God.
It's real, because God's energies are God, God's energy Truth is also God Energies are how we feel God and how God interacts, energia literally means action It's ontological change but not change of nature
The early Methodist teaching on perfection also called Entire Sanctification, the Second Blessing, perfect love, and other terms is the same as the Eastern teaching on perfection, also called by various terms such as theosis, apatheia, dispassion etc. Wesley said: where Christian perfection is not strongly and explicitly preached there is seldom any remarkable blessing from God and consequently little addition to the Methodist Society and little life in the members of it. Till you press the believers to expect full salvation you must not look for any revival. Wesleyan Christian Perfection is a domesticated (brought down to the common believer) and democratized (available to the the common believer) version of the more ancient doctrine of theosis. There are many written testimonies of early methodists who experienced theosis or entire sanctification as one of the more common ways that it was called, and the parallels with early Christian literature such as the desert fathers, pseudo-Macarius, Gregory Nyssa etc. are striking. The first tract Wesley wrote on Christian Perfection is called: The Character of a Methodist. It is based on Clement of Alexandria's description of the perfect Christian (the true Gnostic) in book 7 of Stromateis.
Or just stay with the source material of the early fathers rather than using heterodox texts which will always fall short. One is phromena based, the other lacks phromena. Why would an orthodox person concern themselves with secondary material that isn't orthodox?
The "Methodist sources" are borrowed Patristic sources. Why not abandon the knock-off, and go straight to the Church that the Patristic sources were grown in?...
It looks like you guys are housed in all the ancient architectures of the world, that makes you suspect. How did your churches end up with all those ancient structures????
Greetings to all my Orthodox Brothers 🇬🇷☦️
I want to say thank you very much for this video Fr Peter and OE team, I did watch this video before but now it gave me and resonatee so much more! Thank you for imparting such blessed teachings for us that try to follow the narrow path 🙏🙏🙏
I'm not even finished listening! And find this uplifting! Thank you!!! Simply...simplistic. So basic. ☦️
Glory to God. Thank you Fr. Peter and Fr. Felippe for edifying us.
Glory to Jesus Christ ☦️
May we all have your blessings Father Peter ☦️
May we all be made worthy to experience the final Theosis after our purification journey on the narrow path of the Church on Earth.
*Title: THEOSIS - The True Purpose of the Human Life*
September 25th, 2023 - The day this video was uploaded to UA-cam.
Speakers of This Video Discussion
☦Hieromonk Felipe Balingit
☦Father Peter Heers
0:00 Title Sequence.
0:30 Thanks to Father Filipp for having this conversation with Fr. Peter Heers.
1:03 This is Going to Be a Talk On Theosis
*The Fall of Man* 💀
2:02
The Fall of Man from The Garden,
Man is Created In The Image and Likeness of God
In The Fall, Man Lost The Likeness of God.
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3:45 Thank God for preserving The Orthodox Fathers of this age.
7:30 On Theosis. Can Theosis be reached in this life?
11:17 Unceasing Prayer and The 1 Path To Salvation.
13:08 Theosis - Becoming, By Grace, Like God.
Theosis: The Transformation of The Whole Person, By Grace.
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14:37 Theosis is Not possible outside The Orthodox Church.
15:12 A Christ-Centered Life. A Full-Time Life, not part time.
20:03 The Role of The Church is to be accessible to Sincere, Christ-Seeking people.
21:29 A Personal Struggle along with God's Grace, God's Gifts.
- Get rid of the garbage
+ God stands at the door and knocks.
22:43 Open the Door every day.
Christ heals impaired human will. Part of Theosis is The Healing of The Human Will.
- People mistakenly think God turns Men into Slaves. This is not the case. It is to help man become Like Christ in Being, by Grace.
+ Becoming Fully Human, God-Man By Grace, Like Christ.
25:10 We were made for Theosis. Synergy.
☦On Temptation
26:03 Temptation Does Not come from God, but God allows it.
27:10 The Misunderstandings of mankind.
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28:12 + Faith + Trust + Healing + Synergy + Merciful + As Christ, Like Christ.
29:49
30:15 Going To Confession, exposing all of our sicknesses, not holding back.
☦Roadblock to Theosis
31:33 Lack of Will and Laziness.
33:55 "Lord, I deserve this, but please, help me."
35:23 Falling into Delusion.
☦ *The Hierarchy of Things*
36:26 What do you put at the top of your hierarchy/priorities?
38:53 Glory To Thee O God.
39:29 If you are disturbed by Worldly sin and corruption, Pray to God about this.
40:15 "The World is Suffering because we have taken Christ out of The Center."
41:53 Baptism is very important. Do not argue with The Saints. They are higher in The Spiritual Life than you.
☦The Jesus Prayer; the prayer rope, Elder Ephraim of Arizona.
43:11 The Jesus Prayer.
44:02 The Jesus Prayer: Purification & Illumination simultaneously, at the exact same time.
+ Calling to Christ to bring his presence, to illumine us.
+ Bringing Christ into the heart.
☦ The Cross
45:42 People seek to take away pain. What they do not understand, The Joy includes The Cross.
47:35 The problem of egotism.
48:54 The Beatitudes.
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51:23, 57:38 Denial of Uncreated Energies is unorthodox.
52:22 Intellectual, Academic Theologians ignore Theosis.
53:03 Immerse Yourself With The Gospel.
55:04 Know God, Know Yourself
58:35 The Person of Christ. 1 Person, 2 Natures, 2 Wills.
59:50 Doctors talk about sickness, that's what doctors do.
1:01:23 Dogma is there to guarantee the healing is correct.
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1:02:09 Repentance includes Christ, Repentance is a reorientation of a person towards Christ.
1:09:23 The Icons point us to Christ.
+ A Life Directed, Centered in, Christ.
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1:10:30 Mystagouge.
+ The Likeness of Christ is only possible in The Orthodox Church.
1:11:24 Expert Theologians.
1:13:00 No blessing to debate from Fr. Filipp.
1:14:20 "Why do we still commit sin, Father?" please, don't think you are above The Church.
☦The Great Gifts of Living a Spiritual Life.
1:17:03 Prophetic Clairvoyance, Knowledge of The Heart of others, these are lower-end gifts.
1:18:42 It is not for The Saint, it is for The Help and Love of Neighbor.
- How could a Saint maintain Spiritual Gifts and not become proud?
+ The Fruit of Theosis, For The Sake of Love, For Salvation of The Whole Body.
+ Good For Others Around Him.
+ Greater Increase In Love + Greater Increase of Communion.
1:21:00 Theosis is Within The Orthodox Church.
1:21:25 Love Without Willingness To Sacrifice is Not Sacrificial Love.
1:22:13 Love means He could not remain alone, it was an extension of His very being that He created Man.
Because we are Loved
We are moved to Love
1:23:10 You give bread, God gives His Body and Blood.
Giving and Getting
Giving and Getting
1:23:33 Very Beautiful.
Centered On The Person of Christ
1:24:20 Glory To God ☦
Thank you, dear brother.
Many thanks 🙏🏼
thank you for your service.
I live an hour away from a true Orthodox Church and driving is a problem for me now. I wish I were closer. This is a great talk, transformative.
“What Christ is imparting to us is the healing of our human will.” 😢
Fr Peter, The content of your videos are being so helpful for me and I feel that is touching my husband’s heart too. I personally being trying to find Christ in my life, calling myself a Christian and yet not knowing anything about his traditional Church… heard about different doctrines and complete different philosophies Gnosticism, Buddhism, metaphysics while I was a curious Mormon… (while I was trying to find my spiritual path) Thank you! for putting this together and for the joy to hear Fr. Filipp to come in the help of our empty and weak soul. Thank you for uplifting me and reminding me how wrong I was❤ ☦️
Saint AiKaterina has been praying for you since your name was given to you. She is your Patron (Karen is a shortened form of Katerina, like me!)
Please bring your soul Home. Please Come Home to Orthodoxy. New very Morning !!!
We need more content with Fr Felipe! There’s not much out there
He's blessed. 🙏
@@jedimasterham2 You completely misunderstand what Theosis is.
Considering we are commenting under a 1 hour video that explains it, I shouldnt have to.
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And the image of love is the CROSS ☦️❤️
Glory to God for all things!! Thank you dear Fr Peter and Fr Fillip!!!
Thank you Fathers.♥️☦🇬🇷🇨🇦
Thank you, dear Fathers.
Jesus is my Lord ☦️❤️🔥
Fantastic dialogue
I'm Catholic but I got a lot from this. Thank you Frs. A lot to think about and let it change my mind and my actions. May we be one (John 17:20-21)
Theosis isn't possible in Rome because Rome excommunicated the rest of the Church and made the Papacy the head of the Church.
Christ Jesus needs NO vicar !!
Please bring your soul home.
Peace be with you.
@annem2922 The gates of hell did in Rome, culminating in the excommunication of all the other Popes and Bishops of Christendom, except for himself.
Theosis isn't possible in Rome because Rome brought in innovative teachings, excommunicated the rest of the Church and made the Papacy the head of the Church.
Christ Jesus needs NO vicar !!
Please bring your soul home.
Peace be with you.
@annem2922 The gates of hell have not and cannot prevail over the Church -- but it certainly can over those who reject and rebel against the Church, walk away from the Holy Tradition, refuse to hear the voice of the Holy Councils, such as the Eighth Oecumenical Council, which took place in Constantinople in 879, with the participation of the representatives of the Pope and which the Pope accepted and ratified. This acceptance lasted until the 11th century when the Filioque was accepted in Rome (in 1014) and even after this, until after the anathemas in 1054. BUT... alas... the pope and people in Rome followed the leadership of non-Romans, of Franks, from the north, which had long before embraced the heretical addition to the Creed ("and the son").
History is very clear: the pope, post 1000, walked away from the Council and Faith that his predecessors had embraced. The Pope and those in the north rejected the Nicene Creed that was accepted in the Councils for 1000 years.
@OrthodoxEthos I'm new to the fundamental concepts of the orthodox church but very interested due to the recent experience and relationship I find myself to be locked into.
I'm curious about theosis and specifically what members of your church have or have had achieved theosis?
I know from my experience that the concept and the underpinning of the capability of achieving theosis the orthodox church stands on is totally correct and is the truth.
Could you please point me somewhere to inquire further about these concepts and possibly a respectful opinion?
Thank you and God bless 🙌 🙏
Such a blessing to listen to this, a great encouragment!
The title in the thumbnail hooked me. Very good choice. I’m hoping, for my investigation into Orthodoxy, this episode lives up to it.
Thank you
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us and our world ☦ 🙏 🌍 🙏☦
Excellent! Just starting to listen. Thank you!
Fr. Bless thank you for this
Great talk Father's.
Father, you say without frequent communion we will not make progress. Will those of us who's mission only comes once a month be hindered?
Frequent communion is also relative to what is within your capability. If you can’t go anywhere else God will not withdraw His grace from you. It is however, an issue when we choose to not receive and we have access to the mysteries.
As one who wants to come into the Orthodox faith and out of Reformed protestantism, I will add a comment as someone who has had a life time of protestantism. It was always told to me that salvation is a single event. It is a change of heart, a mystical rebirth of one who is spiritually dead. Once we are saved, we are saved. What protestants refer to as sanctification is something else that comes about by obeying the teachings of Christ and the scriptures. Nothing mystical happens. We are simply more Christ-like and we do Christ-like things because we ARE saved. Doing good works is evidence of salvation and not a progression towards salvation. I was also taught (nothing about Eastern Orthodoxy) but that the alternative is Rome where good works are a way of earning salvation. The notion that theosis is a progession and not some sort of "earning" is hard to get a western mind around. I'm striving, and I'm more able to say more about what Theosis is not rather than what it is. Holy Baptism in the Orthodox church unites me to Christ's body, but salvation continues to develop and mature and grow as a participate in the church, its teachings, and its mysteries in all areas of my life . . . but I'm not earning/paying-for salvation. It is my understanding from Christ's sermon on the mount that good works unaccompanied by a devoted heart wanting to please God are nothing more than empty works. I hope I'm on the right track in my understanding. But, the key difference to me in the disconnect between protestant salvation and orthodox theosis is what I started with. Protestant salvation is a single event EVIDENCED by continuing in good works and not developed by good works.
Just so you know, the Catholic view is the same as the Orthodox view. It's not earning.
I have a hard time separating Orthodox Christian theosis from the gnostic concept of theosis in a practical sense. Trying to figure that one out.
The basis is that in gnosticism it is to exercise your will, while in Orthodoxy is to submit to His will.
In a practical sense, gnostics will have a tiered structure of secret knowledge levels for the elect, while in Orthodoxy it is all clear and open to everyone what and how to reach for theosis, because Salvation in Christ is for everyone.
@@LKRaider thanks. After watching this and reflecting on this more it aligns with what you say
Really great ❤
My only compliant is sound quality for visiting Father, having a hard time hearing his points
42:43 and on ☦️❤️
Purification and ilumination simultaneously in prayer
Excellent
Everyone is trying to become like God anyway. There is just one difference. Are you doing this under God's will, guidance and protection.. or are you doing it by yourself?
Because you must know, that if you are doing it by yourself, you are Still under the hand of other guiding sources, but these sources are not under the hand of God, they are cut off from His grace.. therefore, the judgements these spirit guides receive, is the same as what you will receive. And just because you dont receive it instantaneously, dont be fooled into thinking its not coming to you. It is.
I am a protestant believer. I listen to a lot of orthodox teachings, and I truly resonate with most of them. I love Jesus I am in relationship with him. He is my savior. He is my Lord. And I do believe that in taking communion It is far more than a symbol, but it is in some mystical way I cannot comprehend it is the body and the blood of Jesus. I say all that to say that a “ problem” that I have with orthodoxy is that I a believer and follower of Christ is actually considered not part of the body of Christ but outside the church because I am at Protestant. Yet, I continue to listen to many orthodox teachers setting aside that belief that I am not a true Christian, or even on the path to salvation.
You may find helpful the book “On the Reception of the Heterodox into the Orthodox Church” from Uncut Mountain Press. In this book we explain what the saints and Fathers since Apostolic times understood regarding the general work and activity of the Holy Spirit throughout creation and the distinct operation of the Holy Spirit through the Mysteries (Sacraments) for man’s purification, illumination, and theosis. uncutmountainpress.com/shop/product/on-the-reception-of-the-heterodox-into-the-orthodox-church-the-patristic-consensus-and-criteria/
I am in the same boat.
Great video!😃✨
God must be able to work with those outside of official Orthodox communion, because so many people cannot participate in an Orthodox church. You can't believe God is love and exclude all outside Orthodox communion from relationship with Christ, or theosis as God wills.I appreciate the Truth of the church, but God knows all, and knows who love Him. There's no option for me to be in communion, but I am studying Orthodox teachings, and Christ knows that I want the Truth.
With this logic then I suppose not even the incarnation is necessary, seeing has how all that’s needed is your mental ascents. The Church is the continuation of Christ’s physical presence on earth. As there is one Christ there is one Church. There is not a union of multiple brides who all claim to have the Holy Spirit whilst contradicting each other. There can only be one. Truth is definitive and universal, the humanistic logic that God saves outside of His Church via the heresies or flat out denials of other sects and religions is fundamentally flawed and spiritually atheistic.
Appreciate what your saying about the Jesus prayer. I was told say it at most 10x/day while standing or prostrating. How am I supposed to cultivate unceasing prayer like that? I don’t know, it’s very confusing
Practice, falling down, getting up.
Unceasing prayer isn’t gained by Buddhist style mediation. It’s about stilling the heart. Not letting things pass as a mere passive observer, but becoming watchful and vigilant over the heart. Unceasing prayer is the weapon by which we obtain watchfulness which in turn, enables us to strive towards dispassion. Prostrations help to humble the body and thus the soul follows. It is in pride that we see ourselves beyond this tool and a rejection of incarnation in that we fail to see the importance our bodies have in struggling towards salvation. By humbling the body, the soul learns to submit and the body no longer dictates its directions, this in turn, enhances one’s prayer life and helps to cultivate noetic prayer which in turn leads to ceaseless prayer. It’s done in steps. There is no short cut and their will be set backs and back slides. Push forward. No matter what get up and carry your cross.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you. I’m saving this comment, it is helpful to me to understand how powerful prostrations are for the prayer life . But is it correct that I should only say the Jesus prayer while prostrating? Not while driving, or washing dishes, etc?
@@annalynn9325you have no answer but I think it's meant by your teacher for you to put your mind into it (probably before it becomes natural for you)
I don't know but for me prostrations did help a lot except I have some issue with my stomach and it hurts when I do, but prostrations or standing on my knees trying to be in stillness helps me a lot, saying Jesus prayer when not 100% invested into it for me does very little lately compared to when I did fullheartedly
Maybe that's what's meant by your teacher
YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!
Amen
As far as I understand theosis; as the true purpose of human life. (I am an Anglican/Anglo-Catholic). In terms my missional work in my church, how do I put this across in simple enough terms that folk will understand? Also can I clarify my own understanding?
In short, (going off St. Augustine.)
Where we are:
We are born into original sin - We can't deny it, because we see it all around us.
The objective:
To become like Jesus, in complete unity to be co-heirs with Christ. Sinless.
How do we get there:
Faith, the sacramentum, prayer, self-control, good works.
Am I right in thinking about these are three important points that can aid our understanding?
The sacraments: comes from Tertullian from the Latin word sacramentum. Which was the oath of allegience a new recruit swore upon joining the Roman Army - Tertullian saw the "sacramentum" as a change to a new way life. Hence the analogy. Christianity is not a religion but a way of life. We don't worship a big beardy chap in the sky armed with thunderbolts (Zeus), rather we seek to become like Christ.
Then there is the definition of worship, which can get confused in most protestant denominations. As far as I am aware, it is the partaking of sacraments that is the actual worship, whilst hymns and songs are praise and thanksgiving. Therefore the it is partaking of the sacramentum, a change to the spiritual life to become more and more like Christ, which is written into the liturgy; even the Book of Common Prayer from the Church of England, we don't see the wood for the trees.
For a point of Martin Luther, and faith without works. His argument was that if you are Christian then good works should naturally follow. That doesn't take into account human nature. For me, Lutheranism only has the potential of working if you have theosis as a datum. If you partake of the sacramentum, the spiritual life, to be like Christ - then yes Good works will naturally follow.
Love this thank you for this content , i have always seen jesus christ path as a spirtual steps , bethlehem means a body of bread and in arabic is a body of flesh ( so we are born in a body of flesh ) and nazareth means to overcome ( overcome our own ego ) jesus overcame the world (our inner world ) and jerusalem is the perfect light ( enlightenment ) , jesus tought us and showed us the path , he is the path himself , we can see the whole bible on the cross , when we do gods will , we become cruscified and we can love selflessly , we also become detached from the material world immediatly
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Did you mean of the Orthodox Church?
If “We lost the likeness and the image was darkened” what is the meaning of the likeness passed from Adam to Noah in Genesis 5?
Likeness and image is not completely lost but, I would say, rather stained.
“No theosis outside the Orthodox Church.” How could anything outside the church even exist if there is no participation in the divine energies outside the church?!?
so then by your logic sin participates with god
@@pasfay2319 Or perhaps the question posed back to you is: what could possibly be separate from the God in whom we live and move and have our being?
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All participate but not unto salvation / theosis.
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If Theosis is not possible outside of Orthodoxy, how is Luke 9:50 explained? Thanks in advance for the explanation.
Not a clergyman, just unworthy laywoman.
This is the Orthodox Study Bible note for Luke 9:46-50:
"9:46-50 Little child: See note on Mt 18:1- 4. Theophylact sees John's comment as a regret, his conscience having been pricked by what Christ said about the
least and the great. St. Ambrose, on the other hand, sees John as expecting full obedience to accompany such blessings. In either interpretation, Christ's response shows those acting in
good faith are not excluded, even if currently they are not numbered
among the disciples. "See how divine grace is at work even in those who are not His disciples" (Theoph; see also Nm
11:24-30). On those using Christ's name without good faith, see 11:23; Acts 19:13-16.
Theosis cannot happen outside of the body of Christ. Hence why the Incarnation even occurred. One Christ. One Church. Simple.
I'm Catholic but I'll answer: casting out demons, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, are not the same as theosis. Someone can cast out demons and prophesy, and still go to hell. Matthew 7:21-23
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What books and readings did he suggest to read? The captions were off
I learn a lot of Orthodox Church here
We already are like Christ in the hidden person of the heart.
I was raised Mormon. They believe God is actually a deified man, and that man can progress to the same essence as God this is obviously completely heretical.
I have been a protestant for most of my Christian life. Evangelicals are so terrified to fall into the little gods heresy, that I think they are missing a huge aspect.
If you read John 10 and 82, you come to the inescapable conclusion, that yes, what God has in mind for us is some type of nature that is more Godlike than our current human nature. However, not the same essence as God.
Thank you for orthodox denominations having held onto this truth that was Apparently commonly understood among all early church fathers. The modern church, especially evangelicalism, is missing a lot.
Anybody reading this I'm so in darkness please help pray I don't know what to do I'm bipolar I got to head injury I'm using drugs
GO TO a nearby Orthodox Church. Ask God for help. Begin little by little on the path of healing in the Church, the Hospital of the Soul.
I am sorry to say this, because I desperately want to hear and understand this content, but between the accents , and the very poor miking- sound quality, I cannot understand much of what’s being said. I am listening on a new iPhone and a set of Air Pods. I feel like I should be able to receive this transmission properly but no.
What does father filipe mean when he says "1 person, 2 natures, 2 wills". Doesn't Orthodoxy believe that Christ has 2 natures but 1 will ?
no ?
Paul the Saul of Rehoboam of Sammael was not an Apostle.
"Theosis is not fully achieved in this life..."
I was under the impression that the Saints had achieved Theosis. I guess that they achieved a facet of Theosis based on the assertion above? That in and of itself warrants a new question of "is Theosis a multifaceted objective"?
God is infinite. Theosis is never ending. It begins here and continues there.
Common terms for Christian Perfection/Theosis found in both patristic and early methodist sources:
Happy in God
The kingdom within
Filled with the Spirit
Sealed with the Spirit
Witness of the Spirit (Assurance)
Clothed with power from on high
The Promise of the Father
The Anointing
The Spirit of Adoption
Perfect Love
Spiritual Canaan
The Mind of Christ
The Comfort of the Spirit
God's Rest
Warm in the Spirit
Baptism of the Spirit
Entire Sanctification
The Second Blessing
Overshadowing of the Spirit
Quickening of the Spirit
Animated by the Spirit
Intoxicated with the Spirit
Liberty of the Spirit
The Living Water (Live Agua)
Wells bubbling over (overflowing) from innermost being
Illumination
Enlightenment
etc.
Each day should be devoted to miracles. The purpose of time is to enable you to learn how to use time constructively. It is thus a teaching device and a means to an end. Time will cease when it is no longer useful in facilitating learning.
Miracles make minds one in God. They depend on cooperation, because the Sonship is the sum of all that God created. Miracles therefore reflect the laws of eternity, not of time.
Miracles reawaken the awareness that the spirit, not the body, is the altar of truth. This is the recognition that leads to the healing power of the miracle.
Miracles are part of an interlocking chain of forgiveness which, when completed, is the Atonement. Atonement works all the time and in all the dimensions of time.
The Holy Spirit is the highest communication medium. Miracles do not involve this type of communication, because they are _temporary_ communication devices. When you return to your original form of communication with God by direct revelation, the need for miracles is over.
A Course In Miracles
(Author: Jesus Christ)
So when Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life,nobody comes to the father except through me,he was talking about the church?.
What about That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life?
What about John 3:16? Did God give his only begotten church or his only begotten son?
What his church on the cross or his son?
Did the church die for your sins or did Christ?
Was christ betrayed by judas or was the church? Was the thief on the cross saved by christ or by the church???
You have NO right to tell the Christian world that they have no salvation outside of the church... if I baptize a man on his death he'd and he confesses with his mouth that that christ is his Savior and asks for forgiveness and then dies...are you telling us all that he would go to hell because he wasn't orthodox???
What is a church , is it the house of God? Is it a building with holy relics?
Is a church a priest and a congregation who practice the holy sacraments?
What is a church, perhaps a place where God abides in us?
Maybe all of the above .
Christ used to read scripture in the Synagogues and turned over the money lenders tables because he said that it's the house of God.The Bible does not mention that Jesus entered the holy of holies. The Pharisees were the problem. The synagogues were holy places but not their priests. Perhaps our churches are holy but are our priests? That's not the point , the point is that wherever Jesus visited he allowed miracles to happen.Most or all of Christ's miracles were gone outside a synagogue. Christ's church had very little to do with the holy of holies and more to do saving sinners. I believe that our duty as Christians is firstly to do as Christ did and forgive outside the church, help outside the church and once you have gone good deeds then attend church. Do you think fasting is so important then become a vegan, it simply won't save you. Do you think church is so important then fast pray and go to church but be aware of that God will not approve unless you have forgiven or helped your fellow man. I do agree Church is the house of God but you are the house of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately priests have emphasised that you cannot take communion unless you have fasted , and a non orthodox person cannot take orthodox communion. Ok perhaps I have confused you. The simple truth is that when you live in Christ the whole world is your church because the Holy Spirit abides in you and you should worship and partake in the Holy sacraments.
There's Ekklesia (the People of God) in English called the Church. There's buildings called kyriakon, which are houses of the Lord. Also church in English. That's where people get confused.
The reason why people who aren't Orthodox cannot partake of the Holy Eucharist is because they might not believe and they are not prepared. It is to protect them. This has always been done since the first century.
Fasting before the Holy Eucharist is always important. We do not mix other foods with that which is Christ in our stomachs. That is also why we partake of blessed prosfora and in Slavic tradition wine after, to make sure we get all of Christ and the first thing we ingest after Christ to be blessed by Him.
You don't understand our Faith. Please get to know the ancient Faith of Christ before making judgments clouded by Western Christian theology.
Full sanctification (theosis) is the grand depositum which God has lodged with the people called Methodists; and for the sake of propagating this chiefly He appeared to have raised us up. - Wesley
This doctrine was for John Wesley the central emphasis of the Methodist movement. He believed Methodism existed because God had given them the calling to spread the teaching of full sanctification (theosis).
All Methodists in that day after a conscious conversion began to seek for the removal of the least and last remains of the carnal mind. This reveals the secret of the peculiar power which characterized their ministry. They did not backslide because they set their faces immediately after their conversion toward the Canaan of Perfect Love. This was the goal to which they all aspired.
I'll try to setup some time to conduct an analysis, using Audio Speech Analysis (ASA), of the speech of those who are in the videos of your channel, so that I can determine if such people are being led by the demonic or the Divine. ASA is the "crème de la crème" method to determine truth in speech. Let's see what happens.....
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You are wanting to use an imperfect man-made device to analyse if they tell you the truth? Please tell me that this is a dry joke....
@@Calimerothesadbird - If you even had a clue to what I'm referring to you'd better understand my comment. Since you have maybe 1% understanding your retort is lifeless and intellectual honesty is seriously lacking, due to the fact that you launched a retort instead of questions to gain more knowledge on the subject. With that stated, I'm going to respond in kind by being done with you by no longer responding to your demonic retorts. See ya; I'd never want to be ya!
I’m sad… his microphone isn’t very good, and combined with his accent it is quite difficult to really hear what he is saying. I’m missing like 50% of his wisdom. 😓
Christ is the preeminence before all else.
A sin of idolatry is placing "your stuff" in place of Christ.
According to the Orthodox theology of theosis, man is no more united to God than he is the sun - he simply participates in the energies of both. This is pseudo (energetic) not real (ontological) union with God.
It's real, because God's energies are God, God's energy Truth is also God
Energies are how we feel God and how God interacts, energia literally means action
It's ontological change but not change of nature
The early Methodist teaching on perfection also called Entire Sanctification, the Second Blessing, perfect love, and other terms is the same as the Eastern teaching on perfection, also called by various terms such as theosis, apatheia, dispassion etc.
Wesley said: where Christian perfection is not strongly and explicitly preached there is seldom any remarkable blessing from God and consequently little addition to the Methodist Society and little life in the members of it. Till you press the believers to expect full salvation you must not look for any revival.
Wesleyan Christian Perfection is a domesticated (brought down to the common believer) and democratized (available to the the common believer) version of the more ancient doctrine of theosis. There are many written testimonies of early methodists who experienced theosis or entire sanctification as one of the more common ways that it was called, and the parallels with early Christian literature such as the desert fathers, pseudo-Macarius, Gregory Nyssa etc. are striking.
The first tract Wesley wrote on Christian Perfection is called: The Character of a Methodist. It is based on Clement of Alexandria's description of the perfect Christian (the true Gnostic) in book 7 of Stromateis.
Or just stay with the source material of the early fathers rather than using heterodox texts which will always fall short. One is phromena based, the other lacks phromena. Why would an orthodox person concern themselves with secondary material that isn't orthodox?
The "Methodist sources" are borrowed Patristic sources. Why not abandon the knock-off, and go straight to the Church that the Patristic sources were grown in?...
It looks like you guys are housed in all the ancient architectures of the world, that makes you suspect. How did your churches end up with all those ancient structures????
Theosis is the core of all true religions and metsphysical schools.
The real gnostics knew it all along.
KYRIE XPISTE O THEOS, ELEISON MAS!!
People are starving all around you while you sit in your posh caverns full of leather books...
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it is on Julian calendar needs to be I guess , amen !