Mtg Deck Tech: Dimir Rogues in ZNR Standard! Is it Actually Good?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Dev looks to steal your heart with the first deck tech of the season - Dimir Rogues! Are Soaring Thought-Thief and Nighthawk Scavenger enough support to help Thieves' Guild Enforcer and Drown in the Loch see their true potential? Here's Dev's take after a week of testing.
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What an excellent intro, my dude.
Jup
10/10 intro
20/10 intro
I love so much that you jump straight onto the fun train. every other youtuber went cynical about how popular rouges is rather than just admit they think its just as cool as everyone and thats why its popular. people are allowed to like things thanks for always bringing the positive side of magic dev this is why we love your videos
I 100 percent agree!
You had me at the intro. That was everything lol
I forgot how much I need your deck techs in my life. You’re head and shoulders above the average deck tech on UA-cam. Every single card gets a detailed explanation with implications as it compares to the entire standard meta. It feels like you don’t miss a single thing. Keep up the excellent work!
By the way, I'm rediscovering this channel in these times and I have to admit that's full of quality content. I hope you get known for the quality of the videos, you deserve it
1:12 wa..how? He changes shirts whitin seconds!
Dev really is the most powerful wizard of all
He payed the kicker costs to cast a copy of himself. The other one is chilling in the next room.
Oh that outro song, Zelda + an Addams family quote
amazing
Love the content Dev!
Hey Dev, nice list! You were saying about sneaking an extra land in there; would Glasspool Mimic do the job?
Probably, and GPM is also nice to double up on the heavy hitters. I'm still a little surprised that no one but Merchant runs Slitherwisp, it just feels like such a natural fit.
@@Malacite hes got it in the sideboard
@@Malacite Indeed, I like that it can be extra Nighthawks
This is the first deck I've built in this standard that I've felt good about. Mine is a little different then this one. My removal package is much different, I have 4 Drown in the Loch and 3 Eat to Extinction. DITL is an all star and Eat is 4 mana but instant and has sort of Surval. I dont have the one drop blue rogue but I am running a 4 of Cunning (the flash that makes your flash not counteralbe, and cost one less). I also am running the one drop equipment that give +3/+1 when opponent has 8 cards in the yard, it really give the deck reach. The last thing i have that you didnt use are the rogue/lands, it's a 3 mana menace rogue that is a 5/3 when 8 cards in the yard. Over all I like what you got here but think you should try some of the things I'm running and see how it does for you. I have 16 lands in the deck but 28 possible lands, I love these new MDFC.
I feel like I just got ninjitsu-ed there at the beginning! 😆
Great deck tech my Wizard, I honestly didn't think I'd take away anything new from another Rogues DL but I'm pleasantly surprised.
Omg he was behind the couch! I was not ready for that. lmao
Nice outro my man, love the Addams Family sound byte, I AM that Fool!
I’m running Cunning Nightbonder and Slitherwisp for protection in the mirror matches and the extra card draw is really nice. Also Blackbloom Rogue has won me a couple of matches although it’s a placeholder while I craft 3 more Tarmohawks. Also tried Rankle but cut him as Zareth San is a better 4 drop.
THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one who saw Superman's logo!
Bravo! You're the best, Dev-from-the-place.
I'd love to see some gameplay action for this one!
I've found that ghostly pilferer really helps to keep pace with uro among other creatures eg: adventure creatures etc... He's been my unexpected all star rogue!
loool that soaring thought thief pun was just 😂
I just want to put it out there, haven’t heard anyone say it; if your opponent is actively trying to escape cards from the yard that also means that they will, at least some of the time, help you turn your rogues on. I know, on balance, their plan hurts you more than it helps you but this point still stands. It’s not nothing.
🖖great deck Dev. I’m running a similar list and I ended up on two copies of “I’m not a Ninja, two copies of sliverwisp, and zero copies of Rankle. I tried him and I think it’s too much to tap out and play him and even though we don’t run as many flash creatures as you’d like for Sliverwisp it’s also just very good to be able to play him himself at instant speed. Temp decks having flash creatures is very good and we really need to get some card draw in this deck. I think he’s very important and have even considered going up a copy or two. Just my two cents.
I've played rogues since release and I'm convinced they need siltherwisp for a card draw engine. Then with siltherwisp I drop rankle and nighthawk for the 1 drop flash rogues. It's more consistent imo.
That was some sneaky stuff dev. Very immersive deck tech.
That intro hahaha so simple and yet a real 7/7
Going back checking out this vid as I got the challenger deck and I want to make it better. Great work on this vid. Love the channel
Hey Dev, great deck. I was looking to adapt my Dimir Flash and this does the trick!
Any chance on a Vito update? He was one of your favourites from M21 if I remember.
And we like...
MAGIC!
Well played Dev
One who steals your fart... Hilarious and I needed that laugh. Thanks bro!!
Rogues is not 1 deck. There are at least 3 very different and very good Rogues decks. I've been playing with an awesome aggro variant of Rogues that is a Lurrus deck and plays Mind Carver and Mire's Grasp and Ghostly Pilferer and Vantress Gargoyle. There's a flash deck that stars Slitherwisp and all the flash rogues. And then there's the bigger, tempo-focused rogues deck like the cool one Dev has built here which introduces Nighthawk Scavenger and Rankle as key pieces. All are serious decks. The core of all 3 is Thieves Guild Enforcer, Soaring Thought-Theif and Drown in the Loch. But there are many differences beyond that. It's awesome how much play and versatility this archetype has.
Rogues do have a type of threshold mechanic, good line dev!
How do you feel about the deck now? It appears to be holding its place, and if uro gets banned, they get much better, right?
I wish the commander deck cards were legal, would've loved the new Anowon. That equipment was cool too.
Idk why he’s not a card for brawl.
Coming with the heat when it comes to deck techs and T-shirts which is pretty much just as important, dapper Donatello for the win
Is the one mana mill crab a consideration for this deck? Seems like it could make milling the OP out a real alternate wincon
I run it because it gives Zareth more options to grab. I've not won through mill yet, but I very frequently get opponents down to under 10 cards. I don't know if it has to be included, but I don't feel like I'm losing too much either way! Will be curious to see how the meta evaluates crab.
Nice deck. But I'm struggling to answer this one question: how are we to deal with Uro? I mean, in attempting to reach the 8-cards treshold and getting a big scavenger, we quite literally enabling the opponent to escape Uro and all the while jeopardize both the threshold and the scavenger
I am running 2 Masked Blackguard since I don't have 4 nighthawks and they have been really good! the extra flash creature for 2 does some decent work.
I've been holding onto my wildcards as to not waste them on a deck I'll end up hating. I think this one is going to be fun. I'll craft it (hopefully I have enough rare wildcards)
Ps: I just finished crafting it. I replaced the clear pathway cards with a dual color land from M21 because I didn't have enough cards for the lands. I crafted everything else that I still didn't have. Now I play. Thank you!
Pps: the counter spell options are not good in this deck
So you are not running any Slitherwisp? In a recent previous video you said you wouldnt cut a single copy. What made you change your mind?
I'm playing a slightly more aggressive build of this that uses zulaport duelist over windrobber and slitherwisp to draw and push through extra damage.
The flash package has been pretty good for early standard, but I'll probably convert it to this build when I get the wildcards
I play this deck, ranking about diamond 2 in MTGo. First round, TGE. Secpond Round, another TGE then a Windrobber. Third round Soaring though thief. As long as you dont face pure red or a counter deck, you've already won.
keep up the great intros dev, their really getting good
EEEPPP so excited for rogues ! :D Thanks for the great deck tech !
A master assassin.
I saw that thieves guild enforcer coming since the announcement. It rocked playing in historic. Blood thirsty aerialist, other new vamps with flight? Now we're talking! Rogues, man!
Definitely rooting for this deck to be a competitive force cuz I love rogues and have been trying to make rogues work since I started playing Arena last fall. I feel like it would be better in best of 3 because it seems like you have to have specific answers for all the scary meta cards out there and if you don't it's GG. Also in my experience this a deck that falls apart pretty quick if you miss a good draw or make a bad play. There are decks in the meta that really feel like they can get away with a misplay here or there (lookin at YOU monored!).
I have seen Superman's logo since day one. Thank you for making me feel less crazy 😜
Dude I've been playing thrives guild for a while! It can be a one mana instant speed removal! And great with Rankle!
PSA: in the mirror (or whatever applicable case), avoid taking the opponent's Brazen Borrowers with Zareth. I snatched victory from the jaws of defeat by Petty Thefting my own Brazen Borrower back.
stopped watching to comment:
best intro ever
I've been playing something similar to this. The biggest challenges are aggro decks I find. It really needs a board wipe to side in IMO.
I love your videos and have been watching for years. Sad to say I am too broke to be a patron but wanted to ask if you had a discord for fans, or know of any servers for new players on arena.
Take care and keep up the great work!
side note this deck is differently kicking my ass atm only at silver 2 and it's probably about 1/4-1/5 the decks I fight lmao
20/10 for sneaky dev
Im gonna try to make this a grixis list. I got a feeling that embercleave and robber of the rich are actually great additions.
Need to figure out manabase though
That intro was great
The mill win is rare no doubt. I've won once when it was aggro v aggro where the game grinded to a halt once we were both out of resources
Love the video love the channel. Thank you for not jumping to the BANNNNNN EVERYTHING approach people are already crying about. They didn’t ban OKo for a few months and they was wayyyyyy worse than this. Excellent content as always keep up the great work:)!!!!!
Hmm, so that's 3 variants I've seen now between Dev, CGB and Merchant (Currently running Merchant's version and loving it).
I do find it rather odd that out of the 3 of you, Merchant is the only one advocating Slitherwisp and I feel like that's kind of a big oversight on the part of others. Yes it's not a Rogue but it puts in a hell of a lot of work giving the deck an additional engine and some side damage with the pings. Also kinda shocked that NOBODY (though merchant acknowledged it) is running the new clone rogue. It may just be too slow I dunno, but using it to grab an extra thought thief or night hawk seems busted. But the deck already has an overcrowded 3 slot so I can understand why (it's probably better in Sultai/Temur Mill to get extra crabs).
Where I'm torn most right now is the Windrobber vs Duelist. I HATE that the Duelist lacks flying, but it adds a pretty crazy amount of utility and I've actually won games because of the -2 power trick on it. It also makes for easy sacrifice fodder later on for Rankle.
I'm actually kinda scared to see what new Rogues we'll get with the other 2 sets later next year, particularly the D&D set.
So, the real question is: how do you beat this deck? I only seem to play against this and Omnath/Cobra at the moment!
Oh my, I definitely would die for that beautiful, beautiful cat
Holy crap?! We got enchantment destruction in black?! That doesn't happen often.
Great intro and great shirt choice!
Are you still gonna put any of your matches on arena on UA-cam?
I play the flash version of this and I love it. The deck you did is great too. I love your content keep it up!
I haven't played standard in a while, but might jump back on for this
I didn’t have enough rare/mythic wildcards, and didn’t play any Agadeem’s Awakening and only one Rankle. This deck runs like a champ with more Anticognition and a couple Ghostly Pilferers instead. No mill wins yet...
did NOT see that coming!
I have noticed recently that MTG Arena seems buggy in that it doesn't always let you sacrificed Merfolk Windrobber when you assign it as a blocker. Normally you can do this but recently it doesn't allow, and just immediately takes the damage. Is there some effect that prevents this? It used to allow me to sac all the time when defending, to get the card draw.
Most recent occurred against aggro green food deck, I was blocking the scuze (had counters to about 5/5).
So, I put in 4 Ghostly Pilferer as a placeholder until I get the gold wild cards for Nighthawk, but I've gotta say: drawing a card when an opponent escapes Uro feels pretty nice...
Most interesting rogue decklist so far.
What about Slitherwisp? By leaning in to Flash, you can include a Draw engine in this Type.
OK, you answered my question. I recommend leaning in to Flash and Slitherwisp.
Nearly pissed myself with that intro. Scared first then laughing.
Just played against SBMTG , might have been you might have been someone else. Either way good hard fight against my terror of the scute deck and made me fight for every turn. But I gotta ask... WHY 300+ cards in your deck? I assume just for the LoL's.
the animated intro was wack, the og intro was better. I enjoyed your intro though, the thumbnail hooked me cuz you were pointing at me xP then rouges, and knew this was ganna be good! Thank you for your mind bro, I couldn't pick which ones to use xD
Could you do a modern version of this with oonas black guard and stinkdrinker bandit?
Man Dev you got me, I was wondering what was going on.
hyrule castle in 8 bit outro 10/10!!!!!
I've build it on mtga , dude it works perfect, thank you
Love the intro dev
Dimir rogues is such a fun deck to play love it
The emblem for hope on bloodchief's thirst
Why did Dev teleporting startle me lol
How would you create this deck now in inistad? (2021 dec)
Where can I go to get that sick outro song?
You should do a pioneer rogues deck, that would be sweet.
Love the intro!
Best intro yet
Loved the intro.
Oh my God the intro
I’ve been playing a historic deck variant of this with 4 copies of oona’s blackblade. Opponents usually scoop by turn 4 or 5. It’s delightfully disgusting.
If the omnath landfall deck ever gets so good that it starts main boarding answers for the mirror match, it should be called "Uro-Boros".
Even as monored I feel like this is my worst match up besides maybe Uro shells?
Lol I just commented on a new video asking about this deck. Fairly different than mine but obviously a slightly older video.
Seriously, who dislikes The Most Positive Dude In Magic? Anyway, Dimir's not my usual jam, but this deck has been looking super fun since spoiler season...
I've been playing a variation of the rogues deck and it's *mwah*
The rouge deck does have a weak matchup or two, but if they can sonic there way to the w they can usually surpass your typical control decks. Mono Black is king against all these creature decks that we are seeing. That new enchantment/kill a creature card puts in work against a few relevant cards, sadly doesn't deal with Henge. BUT Murderous riders is still a solid playable removal card and you should get at 3 copies on a deck that you want to win games🔥 die in a fire standard also you put the scavenger in there since you well be putting cards in their graveyard. Lastly extinction event, extinction event, extinction event. 10,000 scuttlebutts no problem. Creature with hex/indestructible no problem. Have a board full of odd cards and opponent has even no problem. 😃But people rather complain then play magic properly like a modern player with to much removal 😉
Sac to draw a counter spell. I've done it at least 8 times already lol
OP intro
Luv ya Dev! Keep it up!
I removed the temples from my version. Deck wants untapped lands almost every turn.
I feel like Dimir or Grixis tempo pops up every couple sets and dies after 2 weeks. They never make them good enough in standard to hang. Remember Pirates in Ixalan? Or Dimir in Guilds of Ravnica? It's by far my favorite archetype to play, but they usually just don't give us enough power or cheap enough answers to work. And that's probably because they share cards with control, and giving tempo decks better answers would make control decks OP. Plus there's always too many decks that synergize with their own graveyard, and milling them a few cards a game is often enough to kill yourself.
I agree my Tempo Dimir Pirates had a good run but a couple weeks in... ;p
I run a 80 card yorion as my companion deck For the simingly common mirror
I run 4 rankles as I have more crappy mill creatures to sacrifice due to 80 cards.
I come from the future. Dimir Rogues is indeed a real deck. It has good and bad matchups, but it is indeed a real deck
close to what i am running for best of 1