The tremendous bass Ivar Andresen sings Wagner
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The magnificent basso, Ivar Andresen, sings Hagen's call to arms from Richard Wagner's Götterdämmerung. It was recorded in 1927. Andresen sadly had a rather short career due to his untimely death. He sang at such opera houses as the Metropolitan Opera, Semperoper Dresden, Covent Garden and the Bayreuth Festival.
Ivar Andréen was a youth friend of Kirsten Flagstad in Oslo. After unsuccessful studies in Oslo as a tenor he came, on the recommendation
of Flagstad to her own teacher in Stockholm, Dr. Gillis Bratt. Bratt was a medical doctor, laryngolog and a voice teacher for dramatic actors and opera singers, mostly producing dramatic singers. Dr. Bratt liberated the squeezed tenor voice of Andrésen and made a magnificent bass instrument of the voice. Bratt also changed the Flagstad voice from a little girls voice to one of the biggest voices that has ever existed. If you listen, on youtube, to the actor Anders de Wahl you will hear how a typical Bratt actors voice sounded. It is interesting to compare, because Bratt always worked on what he called the "melodramatic-pathetic"- speaking voice with his singing students before he started to develop the singing voice. At least half a year.
They trained him as a tenor?! Who in their right mind would classify this voice as tenor. I guess horrible voice teachers have always existed. Luckily they had phenomenal voice teachers, too, back then.
I am interested in Bratt's teachings. Can you recommend a resource?
I second the question about a possible source for Bratt’s teaching
@@MrQwerty88 i third the question about the source.
@@mariofilippeschi4855 I forth the question
H's a true Basso Profondo, the color is too dark also for a Basso Cantante, can you imagine for a Basso-Baritono???
By Wagner are not the lowest notes to identify a Basso Profondo, but the power and the darkness of the voice...
This is unbeatable. Amazing!
What an Amazing voice I’m speechless
me too i keep coming back for more
For me Andresens "Mannenruf" is the best I have ever heard. And surley he is no Baritone or Bass-Baritone. This is a Bass of gigantinc volume.
Tremendous singing and a very good sound. Such a pity that he died at the age of 44 only.
No weakness anywhere in his vast vocal range. He seems to me a Norwegian counterpart to the great Italian "black bass", Giulio Neri! Sadly and ironically, they both died in their mid 40's!
Neri was in his late forties when he passed away. But neither he nor Andresen made it to 50.
Francesco Speroni below in his comment has it exactly correct. Defining a typical Wagner bass does not depend on cavernous low notes but has more to do with the timbre & power of the voice. In Andresen’s case he had sufficient depth but what makes him truly significant was exactly what Speroni is talking about: the dark German Schwarzer Bass sound. Some bass-baritone voices have the depth necessary for these type of parts but the defining character is something else again. Hans Hotter, for example, had a fine low D (in Lieder anyway) but did not have this black bass timbre & so slightly higher Wagner roles like Wotan & the Dutchman & even a superb Gurnemanz (where a typical black bass sound, although preferable to some, was not, in my opinion, mandatory for this role anyway) were still sung beautifully
in his prime. Kipnis also had a slightly lighter timbre than Andresen but still was memorable in certain Wagnerian black bass roles. What all this boils down to is that what Wagner seemed to admire in roles such as Hagen, Der Landgrave, Konig Heinrich, & Hunding has less to do with bottomless low notes than a flexible vocal color & interpretive insight (black bass or otherwise) to realize his conceptions of these roles. In Andresen’s case, he had both the dark sound, majesty of sonority, & despite his relatively short career, the interpretive gifts to realize Wagner’s intentions. I read, since my last posting, that Andresen’s alcohol addiction hastened his death besides becoming increasingly obese. What a pity. From the first time I heard him I knew he was the real thing: A great Wagner bass singer!
Andresen had the one thing that separates one singer from a thousand others: sound. He has overtones and sound and color - in a way that is unique to him. It is primeval, pre-cognitive. Very few opera singers have this gift. He was one of them. This is a totally riveting and exciting performance in every way, orchestra, conductor, the pulse and the rhythm. A great, great recording.
Andresen is simply the best Hagen ever. Btw do you have any recording of his Commendatore in Don Giovanni? I think Commendatore is very suitable for Maestro Andresen's voice.
It is the most impressive bass voice Ive heard yet. Do you like anyone better than his?
@@Xerxes89 It is wonderful, although I just think Gottlob Frick is a slightly different incarnation of Hagen, equally wonderful.
@@moiraclegg3380 I like Frick but prefer Andresens voice. To my amateur ear it sounds more pure and natural.
@@Xerxes89 It is. Frick was throaty.
Another magnificent singer found by a happy accident !
Yes, I wish he lived longer.
Tremendous music (ironically, derived from Mime's cringing motifs in Siegfried) magnificently performed. Pure genius!
I love the music and the power and the darkness of the voice!
Absolutely amazing. Really can imagine it to be a real call to arms
The army sounds pretty terrific also, a bigger rowdier bunch than usual.
Ivar F. Andresen bass/Berlin State Opera Orchestra and Chorus/Leo Blech (1927)
London's tone was created by the way he sang. He sang in a very swallowed way whilst trying to sing into his cheekbones (apparently, I wasn't there). Watching London sing it becomes easy to see the manufactured way in which he was singing. He actually dampened his sound in this way - resulting in less resonanace. According to first-hand accoutns, the voice was rather like Domingo's - sounds thick and dark - YES, but its does not have the commensurate size and loudness.
Ivar is naturally a bass.
I actually am a fan of London anyways and I have heard Domingo live and was impressed.
I say this in order not to be misunderstood as being negative on London and Domingo. I was just trying to point out how the darkness of a voice is not the only measure of the natural voice type.
Forget Gottlob Frick - THIS is the blackest Bass in Opera!
I like this, but please don't knock Gottlob Frick! Love that guy!
@@moiraclegg3380 Oh I didn't mean to. Both those guys were Legends ^_^
If he is not a "basso profundo" that Fach does not exist, What a florious tone and
sense of drama.
GREAT !
Gänsehaut.
So does John
Amazing voice and singing.
Anyway, London never sang Wagner bass roles, and certainly not Hagen. He had a big baritone voice, artificially darkened.
Andrésen was an authentic basso.
Gottlob Frick second best after Ivar.
Artificially darkened? Ahahahahahahaha!
London is a bass-baritone, although he didn't sing Hagen but I'm sure that he would make a great one.
@@BaroneVitellioScarpia1 Apparently London's voice wasn't quite as large as the timbre he sang with may suggest. It was big enough for the dramatic parts he sang, but some who heard them live have said that for example dramatic baritones of the era like McNeil and Warren had bigger voices. One reviewer wrote of his Don Giovanni "Mr. London's voice is not a notably big one, but he manipulates and colors it and makes it do his bidding with such virtuosity that sheer volume becomes immaterial."
@@revivaljesus London's voice is at least as large as Del Monaco.
@@BaroneVitellioScarpia1 London's Met debut was as Amonasro with Del Monaco as Radames. A reviewer writes: "Mario del Monaco is a slenderish young man with a very large voice." London actually got a better review than Del Monaco, they consider him a more mature artist. In most Met reviews London is praised his characterization, use of vocal colours and overall artistry but usually not for sheer loudness of voice. The Aida cast was pretty amazing overall, including Milanov as Aida and Hines as Ramfis. It would have been quite a treat to hear them all on the same night.
A voice to match that of Gottob Frick in its depth and richness.
Tremendous singing.TY Primo for posting.
G-r-e-a-t!
Fantastic!
Thanks to primobaritono for posting,
and to AE for sharing.
Doug --
Very good indeed. Dark, profound bass. Frick, Salminen, Hans Peter König,..the few outstanding performers of Hagen's call and this here is a very impressive discovery.
Holy Smokes !! What a beast.....
God damn
Absoluto
I would like to have heared Nicolai Ghiaurov singing this.
I know, that he never sung German and Wagner.
I talked to him long ago to try King Marke and Hunding first.
He meaned yes, he could do it one day.
Perhaps he did not feel Hagen in himself.
So Gottlob Frick never did feel Baron Ochs in him he told me 1967.
Many different pictures here(Y) Naat!
1:10
Let us not forget the absolutely unbelievable call to arms of Matti Salminen, available here on UA-cam. He is fully the equal of Andresen- probably better, but I wouldn't like to compare the modern recording to this old one and draw definitive conclusions.
Salminen is nowhere near as good as Andresen.
@@noahburns3609 Nonsense.
Just listened to it. Does not come close to Andresen imo.
Matti Salminen is a nice guy, but he has vibration difficulties like Josef Greindl.
Salminen has loud voice, but Andresen's timbre is much more beautiful.
hes not a basso profundo but hes good
Bass voice has no subtypes, only real basses and fake basses. Andresen is a real bass.
The greatest bass I’ve ever heard, Period
Wow.!..he blows my mind away, like a heavy storm, sounds like the basso of the sea or the King of all worlds!
I've never heard of him...
Grandiose! Bombastic!