PROJECT 242 - The Mystery of the i7-920 Vs E5640 ($302 + $312 Used PCs)
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When Two Subscribers asked me at virtually the same time to build them pcs for pretty much the same money, I took it to myself to put the E5640 head to head against the i7-920, however to my surprise when I clocked both these CPUs to 4ghz and had them running in cinebench R15 I noticed that scores were pretty much identical.... (the firestrike bench was at 3.9ghz I think for the e5640 due to finding a more long term OC).
Does this mean that when Intel shrank the node / half pitch and gate lengths from Nahalem to Westmere it didn't bring any performance gains?! It doesn't make any sense... Just what the hell happened with Westmere!?
The GTX660 though decent value for money was a little bit underwhelming when it came to the raw figures... something I will definitely have to look into (when I get some more of that precious thing called time!).
Also the benchmarks video footage was just for broll, so differed from the actual results.
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Intro Music - Hood gone Love it by Jay Rock and Kendrick Lamar from GTA 5
GTA - Los Santos Theme - GTA 5
Outro - Different Heaven (NCS Release)
Other Music - Courtesy of Epidemic Sounds
1080p is still processing, sowwy!!
+Tech YES City I was wondering about that
Tech city how did u select that two hungry subscribers????
They just contacted me since they both lived in Japan, was happy to help.
+Tech YES City Your content is too good, the past 20 minutes of waiting for 1080p is like hours :(
+Tech YES City I much preffer these videos over boring new products, I really don't see the interest in a review of a small laptop with bad specs / an average monitor
Keep it up :D
Someones been playing alot of GTA recently...
this is the kind of content that youtube lacks, real reviews made by normal people that buy their hardware with an objective conclusion, and the best part of it is that it shows that old hardware is still capable, with great examples, i hope that you get lots of subs man, and you can grow a lot and continue to make great videos
Agreed, he does builds the average man can afford, not all people have 1000 dollars laying around
upgraded my i7 920 d0 to a 5820k last month. awesome to see a build and some benches with it. had loads of fun overclocking with that CPU.
still have a build with it inside, hidden under the desk.
Man I think you're the best UA-camr ever!! Because of this video I have found a beast for 30-50$ CPU!! I can't thank you enough times!!
Tutoriale și jocuri interesante Ce CPU ai găsit? Eu am upgrade de la i7 930 la X5670, și am overclock la 3.6Ghz
Always amaze at the amount of effort you put in making these build videos, much respect! Buying the parts seems like cakewalk compared to cleaning, updating and just making it work.
This is the main UA-cam channel I keep an eye on now, building computers from used parts is so awesome.
Back in the day I used to pick up junk computers from a refuse store, and one time back in 2006 I found a HP Kayak XM600 workstation with a dual Slot 1 motherboard for $20.
I remember adding a second Pentium 3 and installing Windows XP 64-bit, it actually had two CPU usage graphs in Task Manager, it was such a monster.
99% of what I know about computers now is the stuff I learned from working on used systems like that.
+PooPipeBoy Yeah its heaps of fun, and thanks for the compliments man.
You sure love giving life back to old PCs. Love the channel, keep up the amazing work.
Just upgraded my rig from a i7 920 @ 3.8 to a x5660 @ 4.2. Watching your videos is a blast! The x58 platform is amazing, i got mine 7 years ago, today with the xeon it still rips!
rips even anther 7 years later
This is a fantastic video. Satisfying and very well edited! Great video man, sometimes videos like this are better than a LinusTechTips video.
Finally the work week is over and consumption of tech vids can begin. Nice one Brian.
Thanks for the great content Brian, I just modded my first Xeon X5460 on an Asrock G41M-LE. Pleased with it, can't really oc it though, only got it to 3.3. Planning an upgrade to a P5Q after i sell off my G3258
Epic video as always! i just love the style of your videos. I got that Xeon E5 2670, but i did not manage to get the 125mhz strap working on it, in my x79 rampage IV formula, however i did manage to get 107 on the base clock, which was a nice bump and i have also ordered another 2 e5 2670 to test. i also picked up this dual socket intel board with two Xeon X5675, so i have been having some fun with that today.
another thing worth noting - the x58 supposedly only supports 24gb (6*4gb) but there are numerous reports of it being fine with 8gb modules!
+Mark J. Yule Yeah, must be CPUs memory controllers actually being capable of handling it perfectly fine.
Hi Bryan, and again: congratulation for the nice edit and topic you choose to highlight today. By the way because it's kind of a draw between the two setups in you vid, it must have been interesting to compare the efficiency of the two solutions. My guess is because of the 45mm vs 32mm and 130w vs 80w TDP, the Xeon will win. Cheers!
+MasterOfBandwidth Yeah I forgot to test that, damn, they are both gone now ah well! I was more interested in the performance which I still don't have an answer for...
Turn off AA next time. MSAA is very taxing on the GPU in particular which isn't the target when benchmarking CPU performance
+Alexander Mustermann Well I think he knows that.
+Advance Micro Devices (AMD)
its AdvanceD micro devices
+The-BGR Spot ahaha savage xD
+The-BGR Spot lel gg
still got my 920 running perfectly :)
me too...but I think its about to become my old PC....time for new one ;-)
YourMomIsHere LOLOL
That intro music tho brian is a G
St8 thuggin.. #pimp B
I'm still using an i7 920, still going strong. Upgraded the psu, graphics card (R9 280 now) and RAM (8GB) in my around 10 year old PC and I play Fallout 4, The Witcher 3 etc
loving these videos bro, it's nice to see old hardware getting this much love.
You are the used parts guru! I'll be rocking a 7970 until a 970 or better can be found used for $150-200
RX480 :)
Hey what did I say lol
mate i love all your builds lately wish the parts you use could be had that cheap down under
Surprised to see this. I just built a i7-930 6 gigs of ram ddr3, hyper 212 evo, cheap case, evga 500 watt 80+ power supply and msi rx460. Im working on overclocking the cpu. Oh and asrock xtreme x58 motherboard. All for 330 total. Mother board alone is going for close to 200 on any place i look used.
I've been watching a lot of your videos lately, and I really dig your old PC builds. I have a 5820k and 980 Ti, but for some reason I am drawn to the rebuilding of older tech and squeezing as much performance out of it. I rebuilt an old lga 1156 board for my brother. We already had the board, and manged to get an i7 875k fairly cheap, overclocked it to 4.0 and threw in an r9 390 and its a total beast. It makes me wonder why I spent so much money on my current build.
Anyways, can you make a video on overclocking and voltage settings for older 1156/ and xeon equiv builds?
+Talon I actually have a 1156 build coming up, so will show the bios settings in that video for you.
your vids make me so excited to build budget pc's, i watch them so much lol
I don't know if I told you in the passed about my EVGA 780i running an E8400. Back in December I found a Q9400 on Ebay for $20 and tossed it into my EVGA 780i and man did I get new life back into that PC. Well after fixing my friends PC I ended up with is ASUS Z97-AR witch was blown out. I RMA'd that board and got a new one and was able to keep it. So swaping out that ASUS board and installing the EVGA 780i went into a new case to find that I shocked the board and it died. I did have a backup ASUS P5B-E witch is an older board and only a 1066FSB I was worried that the Q9400 wouldn't work. I looked up some info on it and found it would work if I updated the BIOS. Bamb, 10 year old MoBo using a Q9400 and it's able to game. Funny though by installing that proc into the ASUS it overclocked the CPU by 200MHz Bonus! Any how I'm uploading right now a video on how a 10 year old MoBo can play Fallout 4 on High/Ultra settings @1080P I'm getting from 14FPS at the worst of times but out in the world I get a good playable 45FPS avg and a full 60FPS when in a warehouse or sewer or where there is a load into a mission. I'll tweet you the Vid when it's finaly finished.
nice I subbed
+Eric Marcus So I found out some good news. I didn't shock my EVGA 780i. Here it was the CPU cooler ether grounding out on the case or it's to heavy and smashing the CPU. Yesterday I took the CPU cooler that I was using originally in a Cooler Master HAF case that has a cutout behind the motherboard and when I took it out of the HAF and installed it into the Cooler Master 532 witch doesn't have a cut out and the ASUS P5B-E was crashing on startup just like it was on the EVGA board. I swapped back to the stock intel cooler and no hang up crash.
+Eric Marcus Awesome man, I think if you turned down some of the settings it would play even better, it is definitely an impressive CPU! I couldn't believe how it handled Metro Last Light.
Tech YES City I was pushing it to the limit to where it's still kind of playable. I'm doing the what can a 10 year old PC still handle in gaming. :)
Did you see the vid by chance?
Man you beat that Canadian guy IMO that shows off the 20-30 gran PC builds he does. I like having the budget what most would call "junk" items resurrected. Seems with the newer CPU's that have been talked about here recently. its slower speeds and more cores. So in saying that wander if the old X58 is really going to outlast way way WAY into the future. I know the E series is definitely still viable and the DDR4 not really any better than the 3. Well as far as gaming performance. there is little to no difference. WELL there you have it . Slap a decent Video card in a super budget build and have a blast. Thanks for making these under $1000 American dollar PC videos bro.
So glad Tech YES doesn't use that music anymore. . . That was a painful experience
Palit GTX 660.... that GPU used to be the tough little soldier that kept my rig going :')
(still got it in a secondary PC, couldn't bear to get rid of it)
"naked 500w"
i am ayran
Just an update re memory. I just picked up some Corsair xms3 ddr3-1600 cas11 sticks - 2*8gb for 30 bucks.
Stuck it in my Asus p6x58d-e and it works perfectly! So going with Xeon on x58 is a double whammy bonus :D
Nice builds. I got asrock x58 extreme(NEW!!!) for 85 euro shipped and i7 920 for 25 euros, stock cooler included. I will pair it with 750ti probably, enough for my needs and within my tiny budget.
pair it with gtx 260 or radeon 4980 those are going for like 20 euros in Europe
+Ian Witten It would be short time replacement so I don't wanna waste any money on it.
I have one gtx 650 2GB yet to test so if it works it will save me some serious money.
Holy Balls B, you recorin'/uploin' in 4k!?
NICE.
+Mark Whitfield yeah man
My old Phenom x4 960t @ 3.7 + r9 270 system (now my htpc) scores 4670 on 3dmark firestrike just for reference
by far my favorite tech channel. thanks for the video!
No, i7 chips do not support the ECC feature. The memory has the capability but it is not being used by the chip. The system will still work after the flash of the BIOS but that did not give you an additional feature because the feature was not built into the chip.
Loving the 1975 Heart Out reference! MY FAV SONG!! awesome vid dude, keep it up!
i still run a 920, i made this build 2 months ago. it's also rocking a 780TI, running fallout 4 on full graphics :)
wow those 3d mark physics scores are impressive
i have same almost exact Gigabyte X58-USB3 motherboard. I have a 2.4GHz Xeon E5620 overclocked to 3.98Ghz. I got a 638 cinebench score
Use old dryer sheets to clean thermal paste up, you'll have a LOT easier time of it, bro.
As for the differential between the CPUs, I'm gonna chalk it up to the deleterious effect of Intel® Demand Based Switching being present on the Xeon; turn that off and you should see slightly better performance on that chip.
Loving the music choice!
+My Name. IS NOT. RIIIIIICK! me2
The msi board will support xeons I have my msi x58 pro running with an e5640 @ 4ghz
love that haircut and it for some reason looks more high quality
i wish used pcs in my country are as ridiculously low as yours...i got my dad a used dell mini pc inspiron for only 250usd..the thing had a i7 4770!!now im super jelly of it cuz my current system has a 3770 in it lols!!got really interested in used pc since then..thank you consoles for holding back graphics advancement! now i can cheap out on my pc and still run current games in high framerates
great videos. like the presentation. i've learnt much from you. i tor down my rig and cleaned all the parts as i've seen you do it. looks much nicer, runs cooler and should last a little longer. very rewarding! the gpu is the only item not tried yet. bit cautious but i will have a go. gtx 760 referance is running @81!
just shows old hardware is still capable.By the way what do you use to clean your hardware?
+keiran bowes Made a video on what I use to clean all my parts.
Ok
+keiran bowes dont you watch his videos?
+keiran bowes you can thank consoles for that hahah..since console hardware get barely any upgrades, games dont really stray too far from their standards..so that means, if your not a nit picky pc gamer..you can basically invest on a used pc with a quad i5 or i7 and just play with gpu upgrades..ie get a i7 2700 and slap on a modern gpu..believe me you wont see any bottlenecks if your just gaming
+Stephen Rimington ps be care full though make sure you get the right stuff some cleaners can do damage to your systems
Why so much GTA V nostalgia :/
Now I gotta play it again
Thumbs Up! for Thermaltake Xaser chassis
This $300 PC is best suited with a $300 gaming monitor. 1080p, 144Hz, 1ms, TN Panel, ultra contrast, nice backlight, and ridiculous color accuracy. Well thats sound ... cheezy ...
This comment alone makes the video deserve a like 7:14 Keep up the good work man!
Well, should test how GTX 660 SLI is still relevant today since you have 2 in these builds.
It ran quite well (had an Sli build til December'15) but I upgraded to a GTX 970. If you have the 200$ just buy a used 970 if you're thinking about actually buying a 660 Sli setup
+xChrisMas Bruh don't underestemate the power of sli GTX 660's
Great video Brian you are a credit to the industry
Those updates the motherboard should be smart enough to download immediately, and get the RAM working without rejecting it, if there is a way to update all those motherboards they should do it to improve them.
Great builds legend ..would love either of them
Hey, very interesting video . i love these old parts comparisons.
One thing I have noticed and I'm wondering about is , you always use low Anisotropic Filtering . Why ? It is practically free , and it does offer a good quality .
Also one suggestion would be to find a more CPU intensive game to include in the benches. Recently I have had a problem with a i7-2670qm , not keeping up with a very modest 6770m GPU in games like Heroes of the Storm and SimCity, while not being a problem with games of GTA5's nature.
Keep up the good work !
+guardians3D I thought Anisotropic filtering puts quite a bit of strain on the CPU? I will have to test it out more.
+Tech YES City Well actually AF is a GPU operation . The graphics card ALU units , are used and the operation takes up abit of the memory bandwidth . It was , infact , a heavy operation and close to AA levels of a performance hog , about 10 years ago. When GPU, had low amounts of bandwidth , and vram .
Today it isn't really that big of a deal . It might be worth a test if it makes any difference with say , GPU's with gddr3 or gddr5 ram , when lots and lots of textures , on perpendicular surfaces are present in the scene. Even then it should be a very low impact.
That isn't to say that AF isn't a problem ... on current gen consoles. As they don't have dedicated memory , their CPU and GPU might fight for bandwidth . Digital Foundry had an interesting article few months back . There they tested some APU's in effort to find if this is a problem when ram is shared. Even in this scenario , the difference between AFx16 and the lowest filtering option was in fractions of a frame .
Ah no worries, thanks for the insight! I will have to hit it up to max then!
Subbed because someone played too much gta v to put this song intro :D i also like the fact that he shows pc's that are very good for its money
Videos keep getting better, bro! Are you like a ESL teacher in Japan? But anyways, Good vids, bro! Been watching all your vids. Big Fan here!
Brian, great video, like the content - very unique. Have you ever considered doing something with a 7990? I don't know if they are cheap in your area, but I feel like that paired up with a Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge cpu would destroy at 1080p for $500ish.
+Colin Reay Will have a look, but that card would be hard to find!
Man, where did you get x58 boards so cheap? My current build ended up going around an 1156 x3440 because I simply couldn't find an x58 board for a reasonable price. Don't get me wrong, the 3440 @ 3.6ghz with a 1060 is crushing current games at 1440p, but when I'm compiling code or rendering video I really wish it was an x 5660 @ 4.1Ghz.
Maybe get both GTX 660 Ti's into the E5640 and SLI them, and benchmark again? Even better, dual-and-dual system (2x E5-2670 and 2x GTX 660 Ti)?
8:09 'I want flash bios' lmfao
Chipmunk voice made my day.
the 1st egn i5/i7 still rock hard with a decent gpu, i have i5 750 and i7 920 and both still run any game at high/ultra (1080p@ 60fps) with a good GFX, very few are the games were i have to put on med to achiv the stable framerates ( games like Batman series, project cars or metro) just get a nice overclockable board for them and they are good to go.
At 10:20 you say, "We can now use the ECC memory because the Xeon has an ECC memory controller." But I have that motherboard, and it supports "non-ECC memory." Are you trying to imply that you are actually using the ECC FEATURE? Because that is completely different from using the memory with a disabled ECC feature.
From what I understand, to use the ECC feature on the memory, it requires support from BOTH the CPU and the motherboard.
So your memory works, because it's unbuffered, and the ECC memory controller in the Xeon is irrelevant because the motherboard doesn't support ECC memory. It's basically just using the memory and ignoring the ECC feature.
These benchmarks seem weird to me (or im stupid)
but look at for example 15:28 where the current fps are way lower than the minimum fps displayed.
+Arch Stanton It's actually noted in the description that the footage isn't from THESE benchmark runs: "Also the benchmarks video footage was just for broll, so differed from the actual results." Easy to miss down in the description.
+cchalogamer hm, interesting
Not sure why you'd think the process shrink would change performance?
What it did was run cooler and leave more die space for 6 Core Westmere chips, like the fabled X56x0 series :P Thar's why your stock HSF is OK
WRT BIOS - Beta BIOS files should be fine on the MoBo, I was certainly running FK with the X58-UD3R Rev 1.6
And lastly, yes the GCN arch has aged well, here's a Firestrike score my 920 build with a 7970 - www.3dmark.com/3dm/3206190 [with a higher GPU OC/cooling it eventually hit 8000, just]
Right, I know I cant be the only one seeing this and generally I've thoroughly enjoyed all of your build logs, but the stats you put up on screen and the stat top left while in the actual game are two completely different figures, nearly 15 lower than your claimed minimum. (please note again, if there is a reason for this please enlighten me, I am not trying to hate merely curious. Hell if I wanted to hate I wouldn't be replicating your overlord build, because well fun! :D)
not first! But seriously been waiting on a video. Good job and keep bringing awesome content like this to a screens!
Hey, great builds. Any chance you could post up some bios settings for both for 4GHz. It may be a little late now since they probably already have them. But some advise for a 920 to 4GHz would be appreciated. Thanks
This is my settings for at 4 GHz I7 920. peecee.dk/uploads/042016/20160415_190754.jpg and peecee.dk/uploads/042016/20160415_190903.jpg but no CPU is the samesom your part may need more or less voltage for the same speed.
Cheer GTRdaemon. I'll see how I go trying to match that. Really appreciated
+RamjetX you are welcome.
great vid mate. good music for a change too.
cheers!
Hmmm this reminds me, my chipset gives off a ton of heat, the previous owner put a little fan on it, maybe the thermal interface is dried up I should check its a 6 year old motherboard
I love the variety of the music on your channel. Lol
It's gta v title track
crazy how hard & crappy the thermal netting (crappy pads) get when board hits around 4 years old it actually causes a heat build up makeing you think its still working but its not
Anyone notice the 2 songs from gta 5 ?
I would like to see one of these monsters vs the same setup with all used parts but purchase a G3258/MB I think these budget builds would still give it a run and obviously obliterate it in some scenarios.
I got a used i7 930 full of good stuff like an SSD for booting and Memory Controller so I get Sata 3 for 200 bucks then I put a New gtx 750 for another 150 bucks and it's tight I overclocked CPU and GPU run all my games satifactory, I wanted to build a new machine just can't afford it so this is more then good enough
I got the i7 920,12gb of ram, ATI Radeon 5970, a mobo, 650 watt psu, 60gb ssd, and 1tb hdd for $125 STEAL! Also a gtx 970 for $150. Crazy deal
DK Tech wow man, $275 for a 970 and i7 920 setup?? insane deals and a pretty great setup
GTA 5 comes to my mind when I hear this song... One of my favourites
EDIT: You also used the GTA 5 theme :D
NICE VIDS, but wow where do you find cheap used x58 boards, in the states they are still expensive,
still have a pretty unused i7 930, my crappy gigabyte x58 udr3 like the one you are using died awhile back, so just upgraded to skylake, still it would be nice to find cheap x58 boards under $50 to rebuild
Another great vid, as always! I recently had a problem with my graphics card overheating. It's a Sapphire Radeon 7870 and one of the fans is apparently being blocked from one of the cables going into MSI FM2 motherboard (I built your 2013 $500 build, has been working wonders!). My tech guy suggested just swapping out the motherboard, but I'm wondering what it is that you would suggest? If getting a new mobo is the way to go, what could I get that would be just as good in performance but not end up having a fan on my 7870 blocked?
Hey, if you still have these builds around, I would really love to see a couple of pure CPU benchmarks.
what was the name of the track that started at 13:10? BTW Nice Video, really shows that old Hardware is not as obsolete as many think.....
You aint gotta like it cause the tech yes army gonna love it!
Nice video, keep it up :)
I'm wondering.. why are you scratching the thermal paste off? Wouldn't isopropyl be a better solution, or has the thermal paste simply turned into stone by now?
Tuned to stone probably
TechYesCity where do you buy the x58 boards so cheaply, and how does a Gigabyte board run a Msi bios (can you do a bios switch with other graphics cards and motherboards eg Msi card running a power colour bios?)
I think the main issue now is finding a CHEAP X48 motherboard that has two pci-e slots and 4 ddr3 slots and actually under USD/AUD$100
Please do a comparaison of the before and after temps there is when you change the thermal compound on the board's chipset :O
Man, my OCD is killing me over those missing sticks of RAM xD ... not that you would notice the 33% lower transfer rate you might get in 50% of the accesses but it just doesn't look right!
Great Video as allways though! Getting another cheap gigabyte X58 board myself soon. (Howewer i will sell my ASUS P6T7 WS SC ... people pay premium for mint boards with all accessories it seems...)
I haven't ever seen a cheap X58 board, sucks for me. They always go for like 200 or 300 or hardwareswap,
+Adeel Rehman Keep looking, you will find a good deal if you really try! I just picked up this GA-EX58-UD3R through Facebook for 50€ inc. shipping!
(he told me it has one bad RAM channel but if i'm lucky it's just a bent CPU socket pin or his CPU)
***** what Facebook did u buy it off of
Oh it's just a random PC Hardware exchange & modding Facebook Group in the Country i live in. (Germany)
I bet there's something similar availiable in your area.
That guy posted pics of his new rig and since he had posted his old rig weeks before i knew that he had an X58 board. I wrote him a Message if he was willing to sell the old stuff and fortunately he said yes :D ... Not the first time i have done that.
From that group i also got my MSI x58m with i7 920 D0 and 8GB DDR3 for 95€ total. That however was for sale in the Group. I just happened to comment before everyone else :D
***** nice!! I use the hardwareswap reddit over here in us.
Brian, is that gigabyte X58 mobo anygood ? just won one on ebay.co.uk for £46! a bargain compared to the other listings!
Andrew Bedford The gigabyte boards all work great but won't overclock Xeons or run ECC on the latest bios. Downgrading to the initial 6 core bios update from q3 2010 works fine. I've also found boards with less than 6 memory slots down support ECC.
I'm thinking of replacing my i7-2600K with a dual E5640 rig, dunno if it will be worth it though.
I dig your taste in music, old man
Going to make a rig to mess about with as i have a i7 -920 on my desk doing nothing :D
can you bench test the Intel i7 2700k? I have one but missing few parts to finish and I want to know if I'm okay for gaming with no problems
would these cpus be better than something like the fx-6300? i'm lucky enough to live close to a micro center, meaning i can pick up a fx-6300 and a motherboard for around $100, +- $10 depending on the season. Would you recommend one these intels over the 6300?
do you know the highest frequency ram the x58 chipset with an i7 920 is compatible with? looking on upgrading to 16 gigs and I only found 1866 mhz kits
Although the ECC memory is being detected while running with the i7 920... its not being utilized as ECC but regular memory instead... the desktop grade processors dont have the necessary instructions to utilize the ECC capabilities of the ECC ram... thats where XEONs come in.
+Sammy Morini That would make sense, thansk for that. Though I thought the ECC component is built onto the traces / bus? Would love more insight into this (if you have the time).
hi bryan i have a question i aw how in your video you used ECC memory on an X58 board, i was wondering would i be able to use cheaper ECC registered memory with an Xeon CPU on the X58 board? you said the IMC is on the CPU so in theory will it work? maybe someday this can be something to do a video about?
Waiting for that 2670v3 though :) .
Have you tried the I7 920 with the higher end graphics cards you got Tech yes? Or is it already accepted that it will bottleneck horribly? User's opinions?