The nested monster integral from the 2022 Berkeley Integration Bee finals

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  • Опубліковано 12 січ 2023
  • Here's my take on this formidable adversary of an integral

КОМЕНТАРІ • 27

  • @zunaidparker
    @zunaidparker Рік тому +24

    I liked both solutions. I find yours more intuitive, it's the approach I would have used.
    bprp's solution is "accidentally elegant" in that the solution suddenly simplifies at the end when you transform the infinite sum into e^lnx, but you never see it coming while you're churning through the maths. Your way you feel more in control and methodical all the way through.

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Рік тому +8

      Thanks mate.
      I like my solution developments to feel that way cuz although it's sometimes nice to feel surprised by the math I like my surprises to feel more satisfying. But hey that's integral calculus for ya....its an art rather than a bunch of mechanical steps.

    • @lexinwonderland5741
      @lexinwonderland5741 Рік тому +2

      @@maths_505 I compare the rigor in math to the rigor in painting or playing violin, or knowing the deep details of a language's grammar and history being needed to make literature. Mathematics is an art, just a different part of the brain is used in the rigor than other arts with the same DEGREE of rigor.

  • @rajendramisir3530
    @rajendramisir3530 Рік тому +5

    Elegant & creative solution. Your choice of substitution worked out well. Applying the power of inverse operations. From additive inverse to multiplicative inverse. Exponential function is the inverse of ln function. Integration and differentiation are inverse operations. Square and square root, Laplace Transform and Inverse Laplace Transform, matrix and its inverse, real function and its inverse and the list continues. Possibly complex function and its inverse. The profound relatedness of Mathematical definitions and concepts is amazing. Expanding a condensed ln integral using a substitution of its inverse leads to an elegant solution. I think a holistic and intuitive approach to solving problems is useful. This nested radical of ln resembles a telescoping series. The e^t came in useful to replace the infinite series exponent of the integrand.

  • @meisamsadeghi7834
    @meisamsadeghi7834 Рік тому +1

    Beautiful

  • @imonkalyanbarua
    @imonkalyanbarua Рік тому +2

    Enjoyed your solution! 😊👍

  • @VerSalieri
    @VerSalieri 10 місяців тому +1

    Yet to see bprp’s solution, but this method was extremely satisfying.

  • @fix5072
    @fix5072 Рік тому +9

    I think this is the more intuitive approach, or it's atleast what came to my mind instantly

  • @qaq0w083
    @qaq0w083 Рік тому +1

    Pretty nice solution!

  • @nicogehren6566
    @nicogehren6566 Рік тому +1

    very nice

  • @Yt-ff6hn
    @Yt-ff6hn Рік тому +4

    Nice video 😊

  • @carsonm-l7585
    @carsonm-l7585 Рік тому +5

    A little bit easier if you just take out a 1/e and then reverse the subst from before to do the final integration imo, but this is what I thought of too!

  • @daddy_myers
    @daddy_myers Рік тому +4

    Dear Maths 505,
    Suiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

    • @maths_505
      @maths_505  Рік тому +4

      Suiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii indeed

  • @godlyradmehr2004
    @godlyradmehr2004 Рік тому +1

    Nice bro

  • @shahidnazeer4696
    @shahidnazeer4696 Рік тому

    Nice sir

  • @mokouf3
    @mokouf3 Рік тому +2

    I did that in blackpenredpen's way, but this way is not bad.

  • @manstuckinabox3679
    @manstuckinabox3679 Рік тому +1

    Yooo just as promised :D

  • @md.raiyhanikram1160
    @md.raiyhanikram1160 11 місяців тому

    Good🎉

  • @devd_rx
    @devd_rx Рік тому

    This approach feels as if you are a JEE student

  • @Yxsha
    @Yxsha Рік тому +1

    answer forty one

  • @senhueichen3062
    @senhueichen3062 Рік тому

    I feel this is an problem in algebra, less related to integrals

    • @SteveOnAlex69
      @SteveOnAlex69 11 місяців тому

      I mean, you are given like 4 minutes to integrate this, so the problem must be doable. And you know, there's not a lot of pure calculus problems in this range, so it usually is just algebra, with the help of calculus.

  • @eugenemontesor1360
    @eugenemontesor1360 Рік тому

    You lost me at "A few days ago..."

  • @make_money_000
    @make_money_000 Рік тому

    Wrong.
    Final integral is not easy to solve. And you solved it easily with wrong way

  • @Anonymous-Indian..2003
    @Anonymous-Indian..2003 Рік тому

    It's just ₀∫² eˣ⁻¹ dx
    e=x^{1/(lnx)}
    eˣ⁻¹ = x^{(x-1)/lnx}
    (x-1)/lnx=(eˡⁿˣ - 1)/lnx