Who Were Artists in Ancient Egypt and What Audiences Did They Address? - John Baines
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- John Baines
Professor of Egyptology, University of Oxford; Member, School of Historical Studies, 2009-10
October 21, 2009
Ancient Egyptian artworks were typically made by people of unknown name, for extremely small audiences. The only form that had wide visibility was large-scale architecture, but it often presented a message of exclusion. The production of aesthetic artifacts, built spaces, and events, many requiring vast resources, was a major social preoccupation. How far can we capture and characterize the group responsible for commissioning and carrying out works? Can we trace chains of action among patrons, designers, executants, and audiences? How different is the Egyptian case from other traditions? In this lecture, John Baines, Professor of Egyptology at the University of Oxford, surveyed some of these issues through material of varying types and periods. The respondent for the lecture was Deborah Vischak, Lecturer in the Department of Art and Archaeology, Princeton University.
Such a blessing you’re able to share these lectures with the world
Congratulations Linda and team for another mile stone .
Much love from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤
This video is as long as a football match. Imagine lecture/presentation as long as a football match. It's no surprise
Getting into the dynamics of artists yes .the appearance of a artistic indispensable to be honored.
I wish these carvings/paintings/writings would be looked at them with fresh eyes. Away from the typical modern day idea of and or impressionable mind worried about losing their reputation. Everything seems so slighted.
Generator tune-p
Right on brother!👍
Strange how the one piece if turned sideways looks like a space x launch. The lion bodies at the bottom could represent the loud roaring sound a rocket would make
@@francesleeslade253 what does that mean?
That’s what I’m saying.
Thank you for answering my question.
Your not a real egyptologist unless you get winded taking about the past. Love it.
whats up with that !!! lol
@@mushkop2634 looks like he is a mix of nervous and excited. his brain is going too fast for the rest of his body to keep up. same thing happens to me when i talk about things im passionate about.
talking *
Incredible cites and sources!
At 17:14, with thousands of cattle slaughtered (assuming that this wasn't all or even most of the cattle which existed there and then), it seems to me to be a reasonable presumption that there had to be more than a few acres of lush pastureland to support thousands of heads of cattle IN ADDITION TO enough fertile crop land to support ALL the people. In other words, wouldn't it have been very much less desert-like than it is today?
There was millions of them! The herds of Buffalo before the white man wiped them out were probably close to a billion if not much more!
True
good point,
This lecture informed my thinking greatly. I am grateful to the professor and Princeton.
This isnt about artists, they barely get a nod, its about architecture
i loved this thankyou :) at 20:11 there's a still image of a pouring/drinking vessel ... whats it called? (i need to see higher resolution images,not having a name makes a search impossible)
Mr Baines - i got your jokes,i was in bits ;)
Great show Rodger..
It is very elegant how they convey advanced mathematics, geometry, antigravity, physics, and countless secrets of our universe.
Agreed. I question this professors explanation of a lot of what he has shown us.
Trust no one question everything
Plato went to their mystery schools. They are the true audience.
Did they ever prove plato & those guys really existed
@@timbuk2.019 who cares if they existed, what did they say is the question.
@@timbuk2.019 What would your argument be?
That it's all a modern fabrication?
@@Paid2Win renaissance/Victorian restoration my ass the only thing that matters is the truth the world would be a better place. A bunch of nubies fukin up the planet
@@timbuk2.019 ,,,agreed, without the truth it’s….delusion.
I love his confidence
guy is a mainstream script reader.. too scared to say what he thinks..
Fraud
I know our access to their knowledge is limited, specially now with the strong censorship in all fields about what is talked and how... but this lecture was just barely the surface.
Really like Dr. Baines
I love Baines head I just want to hug him
I love this and have added it to my saved list. Thank you.
So, what happened after you stuck this into your vault of knowledge??
@@joskojansa1235 gold came a flowing
This amazing
Well done
Could the cattle sacrificed at kerma simply be the dinner brought to consume by every family attending, simply they brought their own dinner with them, a tradition of that era, the remains had to be buried somewhere why not around the burial site showing off how popular the deceased was.
Granted, most cattle back in those days were much smaller (probably 500-600lbs) but that still yields too much meat for even a 6-7 people before spoilage. Cattle more valuable as draft animals while sheep & goats provided a better sized eating animal.
sounds kinda stupid tbh but in a weird and rare way
Do you know how many people a one cow would feed? What do you think he had a million attendee's?
42:47 Mad Magazine margin cartoon saying "I carved this out and my hands are tired."
Lmao
Very good 👍
did anyone else notice the extinct domesticated (long neck) animals, and that the style of the first (min 7.08 ) artifact is a similar style as the carvings at Gobleke Tepe? There are other instances of extinct (dinosaurs) carved art found in no so ancient archeological settings.
So called Dino's and the such were here with man ,with out a doubt in my mind.HalleluYAH !
You'll also find such strange anomalies in a 1526 painting called 'The Suicide of Saul'.
Dinosaurs never existed. Look into it .
Those are Serpopards, a mythological animal. Not dinosaurs.
This proves only that Conspiracy theorists existed in ancient times already 😂
It occurs tom me some artifacts may be just some form of decoration but at the same time some things educational or even something the government was public adresses
We are so ignorant to the amazing knowledge of the acient civilization
how do they know that construction was destroyed soon after it was built
comes to mind wonder what archeologists know about actual construction
Always look to Africa for the explanation.. For everything,
They will never accept.
Oh please... as if Africans were flawless. The only thing Africa had going for it that could be applied in the present is the sort of communistic arrangements many tribes, kingdoms had back then, other than that as you can see, they proved to be far inferior when it came to the art of conquest. We can’t dwell on what if’s of the past. The fact is the very reality you live in. The real question to answer is, what can YOU do about it? See, that puts aside all the emotionally driven garbage to the side and makes you think objectively, because anything you wish begins with you.
@@galapagoensis it goes back a lot further than that...like when we werent quite human yet. That was all taking place there.
You would probably have more success looking to the Levant or Mesopotamia.
So far you did say that older is better than the newer! Now your going somewhere! Your realizing they’re skills progressively got worse than better! Let’s see if you state a reason for this!
Exactly. Why are there no hieroglyphics in the great pyramid? So many unanswered questions
Because the pyramids were built long long before the Egyptians came upon them they dug up some s*** put their name on it and now say hawas thinks they built it like if I spray painted my name on a building hiwass would think I built it
@@bearshitin3064 🧐🤣😁….Hiwass=$$$
Hello crazy people
i EAD THAT IN THE bIBLE AND OTHER TIMES/RELIGEONS THAT THE ALIENS/ANGELS DID SOMETHING TO DUMB US DOWN... jUST LIKE TODAY.
Amazing amounts of supposition.
John, Consider an earlier civilization creating some of these exquisite works of art.
Ooooh no! We can’t have that……… I’ll lose my job
Libation vase...! Looks like a tool to form a hieroglyph on wet concrete to me guys! Got any more of these? Do any of them fit glyphs on stone around the places where they were found?
The Institute of Advanced Study seems not to know the difference between 'its' and 'it's'. (0:06). I expect better than this.
clearly from the period of grammatical collapse
The only way you're going to fix it is if you get everybody to stop using phones, and being lazy in general. When I was in elementary school it was rare to find typographical errors in things that you're reading on the internet. Talk-to-text comes around and you can't find an article without typos... no matter how professional. It's just a sign of the times. You can be better than that, just don't expect 95% of people to be. It's also useless to tell people about how they're affecting your OCDs. You're never going to get everybody to type things correctly or say things correctly. Spoiler alert: they are mostly all going to keep doing it. I guess you have to force people to write everything down on paper again, or your argument is rather futile
@@JohnSmith-bv4nw I settled down to watch what I thought was going to be a learned & elegant dissertation but the moment I saw such a petty but glaring error the standing of the "Institute for Advanced Study" took an abrupt nosedive. Don't they care about getting things right? My appetite for this presentation was immediately extinguished. I can find sloppy and lazy writing virtually everywhere on the net but juxtaposed on such a grand institutional name is a real turnoff. The flow is interrupted by such distractions because words are important. I'm not infallible in grammar myself although if it is as you say and this is down to talk-to-text then they should really skip the written words and stick to speech if a spell check is too much trouble. I could have handled audio quite easily.
For those who question libation it's a prayer to your ancestors in the African language
Not so much a prayer but, an offering to the ancestors poured out on the ground. Respect!!
early in the vid re two carvings from same site 7:40 9:00 - what do the cats with elongated necks represent? they are on both
Feel free to explain the Egyptian 'art' in the Grand Canyon.
link? I have heard/read of but not seen any.
SEE ABOVD COMMENTS I AGREE
@@luckiedogg4762 I'd personally check it out, myself. Instead of asking for someone to spoon-feed you... do the research for yourself. Do it QUICKLY though, as ALL of that stuff is being scrubbed OFF of the "common" Internet. Will soon have to "dive-DEEP" to find that kind of info. Fortunately now, for your inquisitive mind, y'all SHOULD be able to find some information rather easily. But my other, unsolicited "advice", BE SKEPTICAL but not so much that you block it ALL out. Find the "commonalities" and start putting the puzzle together for yourself. JUST my thoughts and opinion(s) on your comment. Nothing more, nothing less. Good hunting and Cheers!! : )
Hahahah! It's a "TOMB"!!! LOL!!!
We don't really know for sure that it was Egyptian, but it must have been quite similar. ua-cam.com/video/jVbG1kVwC38/v-deo.html
I sometimes have to fix other peoples stone work. That was only done 10 20 years ago. There work still stands.
Humans we are tot this is the first time. We are here again. We stop listening to each others. At the end. We get close to figuring it out and we do each other in.
my spirit IS 10.52 (10,052 "years old"...) ... I AM who I state.
@@yourangelinfleshorsackclot1523 Warrior.
Their artistic input was probably along the lines as what happened during the height of the Roman church. They imposed what had to be art and how it should be expressed, and most importantly they had the resources and political power to force the very best artists to work for them and attain to the rules of the times. We have to remember that the high priest was originally the king, so we have more like a inner cult within the actual power dynamics that actually dictated what art should communicate.
Sounds familiar.Yea,the Holy Inquisition would torture you and your family to death for making a painting they didn't like.
Possibly. Although the king or emperor was the deity. When the priests or people and the pharoh himself declared it so. Mostly throughout the entirety of Egypt's history. It's my belief that devoted independent technicals also contributed to collections as their appreciation. Especially from individuals that learned through diligence how to elevate skills then so a object to a higher status. Example the stone reed bread basket marked with the hieroglyph Gold. A way to find favor from a God. Some added insurance for the afterlife.
Inner cult. Elite of the elites.
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The artist,stonemasons, were probly a respected group,that passed there trade down in families or had guilds or schools to train people to build or decorate all thease beautiful objects and.temples,probly a high middle class,and some of nobility,even the labor was organized and probly treated decent,and not slaves ,probly some who were captured had talents that were used for there ways to get there.freedom or a decent lifestyle of being taken care of with food,beer and housing.they found complete cities by the prmids and temples that showed this, well organized,that were found,how the workers ate and how they were treated in society.one story was told that the workers went on strike because someone from the pharaoh house was cutting them short on bread and beer,when the pharaoh found out,he fixed that problem and punished the caretaker who job was to take care of thease workers
Kufu didn't build any of that he never claimed to ever build any of it either he never was a fool because everyone knew it was already there.
Modernities entire scholarship is based off a known misreading. That's how full of shit these people are. They know that was misread. They know it doesn't say anything about kufu, and yet, they continue on the same incorrect path. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Really?
It is my belief that some of the reasoning as to why things were so large in this time period is because it was a time when giants were on the earth. This will never be brought out because they don't want us to believe giants really ever existed. They did!
Love the lecture but the words in the corners are cut out
Let me ask you a question , why do you not explain what animals are depicted on the back of each of the pallets ?
its all lies.. the pharohs were not tall because they were reveared,they were tall.& some had blue skin,& most were african.egyptians today,came from turkey..& settled there after it was built./ flooded.
@@phantomwalker8251 that's how ancient Egypt was destroyed. There was a flood. The evidence is the fossil seashells near the pyramids.
Why is this video constantly in my feed?
Most people have never heard of prof. baines
Quality asmr
Nice 👍🌟💝💝🌟🌟
1:16:07 Community emphasized over the individual. The individual's importance is her active and specific contribution to her community. For artists, it was producing the art for the elite culture, to be timeless, not to take credit as an ephemeral individual creative.
Not all the time are true artist are placed as important figures .I knowledge that main unitey races there was no thoughts of your different than me types
The Architect vibrations
Archeologist view is they must have been slaves but there races where mixes tributes of defeated .
Oof
Botched the already braindead quote
The second piece of art shown at 9 minutes in the upper left sided is that bird sitting on mushrooms?
Usually these arts and hieroglyphs are not to be taken literally, but are meant to be metaphorical images. But, if I where to take this literally I personally see a hawk trying to catch a rabbit in the thicket. I'm going to guess that these "mushrooms" or "dandelions" or whatever are probably actually some kind of ornaments to a crown like thing.
Did you just say not to take it literally and then you took it literally? Those are mushrooms. It’s one of the oldest and most universal symbols. Dandelions in Egypt is presumption and to a king?
Maybe a god or high priest, bestowing enlightenment. Usually with ancient work it’s meant to be interpreted on MANY LEVELS. It should mean something literal and figurative and metaphorically, even running parallel with mathematics and astrology. They understood communication with beings that wouldn’t understand their language but could recognize math, pictures and our societies resemblance in order to justify their benchmark of progress before annihilation.
@@wyattrussell7496 you guys that is a poodle wagging its tail not mushrooms
The bird is seating on control gears and a lever which depicts here mind control or mental reset, you can see a head connected to the gears and lever, and the one chiselling or resetting the mind of the one seated is in union with the bird or spirit of time. The bird represent the tele vision or spirit ideology that will control the mind of the mental eye. These tablets are about recreation, how a race was ideologically and spiritually influence by technologically superior race. You see how the contingent arrived with an entourage carrying banners to reset the human project hence you see bodies without heads on the top layer. The destruction ot the mammalian course of life can be seen in the lower levels where the human is trampled and defeated, the small circle or ring presents a birth portal depicting how animals came to be birth through the divine spirit or duality of being...
A lot has to be corrected in this presentation...
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I love that he doesn't discuss what they actually make
Sarcasm? I haven’t watched yet just checked the comments first
@@Grimfed yes, Sarcasm.
@@Grimfed should i watch this?
Say that again for the cone heads.
@@natasarayadai >>> my mother was a conehead.
Wow
those on that vase are dinosaurs.
Same people who artistically carved my Mali lady artifacts same ones who carved the mountain too
What artefacts? Do you have any links for me to see? Thanks
Me gustaría que este video se traduzca al español gracias....!!!!
No problemo!
Why are they always pushing that all these incredible works of architecture are always tombs or for funerals…it’s ridiculous.
Just notice the two dog pallet is actually one the head is missing because it would have pin bolted on well no bolted but fixed
The very opening text/title has a glaring error in it. Wrong form of "its."
saw it too, wtf?
@Barbara Mulvaney Yes I've never ever slipped up in my life. I'm perfection incarnate and you'll never have me no matter how much you desire to possess the embodiment of my ultimate perfection... ITS Fabulous to be Flawless!!!!!
@@canthony722 Then you should know you wrote its instead of the correct it’s. Moron.
Look. We're looking at work of science parasite.
@21:21-
[Rt]
Blud collection and consumption??
*See Ancient Egyptian Art They Don't Show*
Go to description first
When i think about the plumbing and water sources where as well a wonder hydrology and floaters fill to raise stone floating the lower ares in water then emptying to set the stones WATER IS THE LIFE OF KNOWLEDGE.KEEP IT SAFER .
The granite bowls show signs of a lathe being used.what tools did egyptians have that would cut granite on a lathe?
THAT's what these mysteries are all about. what tools...The tools were advanced. more advanced than what we have or we would not be asking these questions.
egyptian [jew " ish] of the naz👁 are the bloodlines of the nephelim
@@R0GUER0CK granite can very easily be chipped away and smoothed, dont project your personal lack of ingenuity and ability onto people who dedicated their lives to these crafts.
@@tellurianapostle yes and I think people had more physical energy back then than we can ever imagine. And a type of attitude that made them not mind doing hard yet mundane tasks for very long periods of time.
I wonder what if is these lava flows could get concrete dropped in to it to traction shaping the lava to become a cemented box and molds in side them .
I also believe volcanoes & their contents have a lot to do with all these works …………… ‘young ‘ stone more malleable etc
A question I've often wondered
Ambient egypt
Okay this is just from a commoners point of view but having said that maybe I don't have the right mind to be a commoner because how in the hell honestly how in the hell do we really really know what we were looking at or what this professor is looking at or what the professor before this one one before that one who came up with what these things are these items these paintings these depictions these art forms. How do we really know and should we really just take stock and what these people say or shall we back up and look at it all from a distance with a clear conscience and a clear mind excluding everything that they say that these things are finding our answer that way in a way within us and our own perspective I think the answer lies in that.
It's planning to levels that each experience is newer then learned before to becoming elites artistically rewarding knowledge training .
Would the reed basket not be used in filtering silt for gold, akin to panning during the gold rush? And therefore be a gold watch of sorts for time served? My first thoughts went to Moses of course. What is the evidence the cattle were slaughtered? Are we sure the cattle didn’t die due to low lying carbon dioxide and the mud brick funeral space didn’t fall during the same earthquake that released the gas? I realise the dates don’t quite match with exodus but it’s likely a tragedy that happened more than once. The difference between prophecy and history is of course memory.
That stone reed-basket could have been for holding powdered white monatomic gold. Which they actually did use in ritual. I doubt it was for metallic gold. but who knows.
Good shit. Stuff DOES look the same. :)
Sent here for an art history course, stayed for the kooks in the comment section.
24:28 - Had to rewind. I was so distracted by the chair with...cow legs?
(And the severed heads of an oryx and a white bull at his feet.)
Now that I'm introduced to the tuning-fork theory that would help them break blocks for monuments, I wonder if that's a tuning fork on the far right...
The two stone carvings would have taken around 10 years to carve and craft..
Im not sure. I think I could do it in 9 years.
THAT's what these mysteries are all about. what tools...The tools were advanced. more advanced than what we have or we would not be asking these questions.
The most plausible theory I've heard in the use of harmonics to levitate the stones and set then in place. Look into it...Coral Castle in Florida was built with harmonics by 1 man alone. He's quoted stating that he used the same technology that built the pyramids. There are some intriguing documentaries about it. Definitely worth a watch!
Is this the same John Baines who wrote Secret Science????
Grace and peace everyone
Strange how the one piece if turned sideways looks like a space x launch. It shows the body of Lions at the bottom to depict the loud roaring sound the rocket would make. I also believe rocket launches open portals. Just my take on it😁
Stove vase’s are harder to make then the gold ones
Barbara Mulvaney as I said
“Stone is harder to work then gold” u just reinforced what I said....
Alas the gold must flow.
The ancient snake symbol with the two heads that meet each other is the same symbol of Health Care which predates Greek
The staff of medical has one snake.
The USA uses the double snake because we're mystery Babylon.
The snake always represents matter (material world) the Eagle (or bird) always represents the Spirit world. When you see the two together.......it symbolizes God.
@@tonydowjones it's all pagan. A lot of companies use the same kind of ancient symbols . The Trinity or Eye of the Horus is used as a symbol for many, many stores . It is mocking the Christian Faith. News Networks also use the kind of symbol of the "All seeing eye"
CBS uses it for example.
It all derives from ancient Egypt or other Ancient cultures who worshipped Paganism
There's thousands of "gods" that the Egyptians worship . All of them are false gods and have no real power. Listen to what Moses said in the Bible.
@@kennymichaelalanya7134" God cannot be mocked, a man reaps what he sows"
@@kennymichaelalanya7134 all of those companies use certain symbols Bcs there ran by the occult or secret societies. To say the Gods have no power is obviously a form of ignorance. The evidence in there power is the entire learning system the world uses which stems from Atlantis / Egypt . Plus the Global creation of the Pyramids which was built by the Gods .
Why all human characters are flat foot in descriptions
So basically he is saying that there was a pre- Egyptian civilisation that the most modern Egyptian try to imitate their word
Egyptology.....never heard of it.
hahahaha right!
Correct max
Why does it have to mean anything art is so much more than the meaning behind the story.
how does he determine the date in which any of these events take place?
He got the date from the photograph and because he is a professor and fellow of Oxford and do not question the font of knowledge exuding from him!!
@@lesallan3181 a date on a photograph coupled with a fountain of theory sums it up in truth
Baffles me that this has 812k views, when cat eats noodles with chopsticks has 45 billion (sic). Smh
812k for a history chanal is outstanding. But i get your point😁
Do you have a link to cat eats noodles with chopsticks? Asking for a friend. : D
Come on Dork get it out…..
Cats are cute though 😉❤️
I wish this video had a cat eating noodles.
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what i want to kno is what proff did they have that there is life after death in the underworld ?
None
For that, you must humble yourself to the truth: BLACK AFRIKANS KNOW SOMETHING YOU DONT. Once you accept that, you might see...
@@kemettish2500 black africans don't all agreebon this subject.
@@casteretpollux ask brother polight
@@kemettish2500 Africans are the most diverse population of any continent, culturally as well as genetically. They have all kinds of different ideas of god /s including atheism.
No light pure dark
Rite...its tru
He is the type of person that guides the masses in the wrong direction. Princeton=Elite
Alien symbols are very interesting.
My favorite part: libation vessels for dummies 23:35
THEY DID CREATED WHAT THEY WERE TOLD TO CREATE.
Thank you.
Drop ceramics in to the lava and magnetic particles to it add gasses optionally bubbling the lava in it's traveling states vibrations added in the mix Lava as so much treasure use its gifts.
Lava 😐
Are you trying to say that the Pyramids were potentially built using Lava?
@@simonfisher8558 lmao 🤯🙏
The picture ,,, smashing trainer sole's.
Thats like it works since two thousand years , one think 1000 don't
What was the composition of the audience in this room at the time of this speech ?
Just Zahi Hawass I believe………… sat right at the back
Watched a old electrical bus video on fly wheels and Finally I now know what the Disc of Sabu is and was probably used on a pole with glass and diamonds heated on tips of poles for drilling small holes and detailing in stones and building the pyramids and used maybe by spinning by hand or now thinking also in water pool for rotation without use by hand and need to constantly spin and let water move it as goes by in river inlet to make move and used before the Egyptians found the pyramids and moved in and put their writing on them making historians think they built them for a long time but they still wondered what this disc was used for and I think you sparked an idea and I was able to put it together that it's a fly wheel and also maybe used with their energy products too in some way or a reproduction of what they found and tried to remake with available materials and knowledge of them , the snake bite of death and all lost to time and disasters on earth and now buried by world flooding and ground washing over it all hiding all our history truths and the stone pivots used to move them found still on some sides of building stones by builders in different areas and old guy figures out how to move them and with small stones under the big blocks to pivot and move the easy by balancing them on small stones and spinning or using 2 small stones to move over ua-cam.com/video/Ug-vIoGK1Dw/v-deo.html and above should alow you all to put it together everything and the snake that bites and pictures of equipment found by Egyptians but didn't know how to use and show them on a boat crossing the stars and at end the snake that bites and explains what they use to move the boat so not flat water reflecting stars but a type of boat to them that moved across the stars powered by the snake that bites , plasma energy , what they found and tried re making in glass tubes and then probably like our rules that Don't understand something locked it up in a buried tomb somewhere where others would not find to use against them too like a bunker area51 and maybe we should look for that unless they burned a destroyed it all in pits 😉
Get over it. Africans built the pyramids.
@@lotechrevolt4513 Haiti - The first Colony to defeat British and French Colonizers gaining freedom in 1804.
Rhodesia (Now Zimbabwe) - Where one of the earliest Civilizations on earth Great Zimbabwe was found.
Detroit - Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, Smokey Robinson , Anita Baker all hail from Detroit.
Talk about batting for the other side - lol!
Good grief. Try getting to you point without being so long winded.
Pigeon measuring dives captured birds trained and sometimes a friend .
It seems English is not your first language. Your comment makes no sense at all, sorry.
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