Thanks for the review! Picking up for my 11 y/o for Junior Olympics for the 800. Glad to see the weight is not an issue, since these are the only versions I can find. He’s gone up from a 7.5 to a 9.5 this season 😅
I'm a french runner and the cross season usually takes place on dirt, mud, grass terrain and I'm very much surprised about cross competitions taking place in California on... concrete ??? This would be a shock for cross runners here x') As often we discuss on race debrieff, wheter this trace was or was not a true cross terrain ? As cross shoes and "waffle" versions are very light in cushionning, I imagine the feeling on concrete should be very impacting the knee and heel, like running a 10k barefoot or in minimalists like we see more and more these days. that was a surprise to me, cross country on concrete, how bizzare ! ^^
The CA State Meet has about 100m of concrete/asphalt on the course. There are some Invite that are XC terrain, but most courses in CA are run on school campuses and go over 100-400m of concrete.
california bans any spikes in cross country races, do you think these would perform well without the spikes? I can't tell if that rubber outsole is meant for that.
As someone who has held these shoes in person, it's a very hard plate with almost no features, so no. I would recommend getting a different shoe (a personal favorite of mine is the Brooks Draft XC Spikeless)
how much slower are these compared to the original? if you were to run the dragonfly xc only on a track, how much better durability would you expect compared to the original?
The majority of NCAA athletes at XC Nationals used the original Dragonfly on the full grass course. The XC version will have more durability over a full XC season compared to the OG version
I would say most likely no. I raced on small concrete patches with spikes, and it did not damage them. Not sure if it would change for the dragonfly xc tho, I had a different nike pair. I also know people that ran on concrete with regular track dragonflys that did not have issues.
When you mention not use for concrete, do you mean the actual spike being inserted or the spike overall? Because in my XC course there is a concrete hill and im still deciding if to get these
If there was a course that was mostly concrete, would it be okay to run it in these shoes without the spikes inserted? My only other option would be trainers.
@@pianoaddict2650 if the course is "mostly" concrete then we would not recommend the DragonFly XC, the concrete would tear down the sole faster compared to a normal trainer.
@@pianoaddict2650 If it's mostly concrete I'd say go vaporflys or another carbon super shoe, if its offroad with a stretch of concrete do dragonfly xc with no spikes inserted
Yes: www.vsathletics.com/store/Steel-Replacement-Spikes-spikes2.html But you would be adding weight to the shoe, lighter if left empty but may get material in the receptacles
XC version will be more durable over the XC season, but it is up to you which you prefer. If the course is full maintained grass then the OG Dragonflys will be okay. Dirt and gravel courses may tear up the OG's faster.
This is the kind of review we like!! Thank you for the depth!
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Thanks for the review! Picking up for my 11 y/o for Junior Olympics for the 800. Glad to see the weight is not an issue, since these are the only versions I can find. He’s gone up from a 7.5 to a 9.5 this season 😅
I'm a french runner and the cross season usually takes place on dirt, mud, grass terrain and I'm very much surprised about cross competitions taking place in California on... concrete ??? This would be a shock for cross runners here x') As often we discuss on race debrieff, wheter this trace was or was not a true cross terrain ?
As cross shoes and "waffle" versions are very light in cushionning, I imagine the feeling on concrete should be very impacting the knee and heel, like running a 10k barefoot or in minimalists like we see more and more these days.
that was a surprise to me, cross country on concrete, how bizzare ! ^^
The CA State Meet has about 100m of concrete/asphalt on the course. There are some Invite that are XC terrain, but most courses in CA are run on school campuses and go over 100-400m of concrete.
@@vsathletics1883 oh ok I get it better. Thought I would be a full distance on concrete, seemed strange that way ^^ thanks 👍🏼
I needed this so much
california bans any spikes in cross country races, do you think these would perform well without the spikes? I can't tell if that rubber outsole is meant for that.
As someone who has held these shoes in person, it's a very hard plate with almost no features, so no. I would recommend getting a different shoe (a personal favorite of mine is the Brooks Draft XC Spikeless)
I was wondering the same thing
Great review. I’m always curious what time these shoes are shaving off peoples 6k for example
how much slower are these compared to the original? if you were to run the dragonfly xc only on a track, how much better durability would you expect compared to the original?
What i want to know
@@connorp923 also me
Do you all know of any retailers selling the replacement triangle spikes for the dragonfly xc?
Would you suggest the original dragonfly or xc version for a flat, well maintained, grass course?
The majority of NCAA athletes at XC Nationals used the original Dragonfly on the full grass course. The XC version will have more durability over a full XC season compared to the OG version
i live in az where most courses have a little bit of concrete, will the spike plate break if i try to run on those courses with these?
I would say most likely no. I raced on small concrete patches with spikes, and it did not damage them. Not sure if it would change for the dragonfly xc tho, I had a different nike pair. I also know people that ran on concrete with regular track dragonflys that did not have issues.
The spike plate has a rubber sole attached so there is little to no contact with the actual spike plate and the ground.
@@halocubed6788 yeah I ran with regular dragonflys and had no issues. I was on gravel, a little bit of concrete, and I was fine.
Can I run on a xc course with a bit of concrete without putting the pins/spikes into the dragonfly? Will there be any problems with that?
Theres a chance that a rock or stick or something could get stuck in the spike hole and you wouldn't be able to get it out to put the spike back in.
@@crazyender839 that’s why they make blanks to put in
@@quilios7044 yeah
Do you know what material the plate is?
PABEX if it’s same as the track one
@@ballerbill5977 yeah, but they might’ve changed it so it wouldn’t break if it hit a rock. I was just wondering if they did or if it’s still PABEX
Same as the track spike, just has a thin rubber sole attached to protect the plate from direct contact with the ground
When you mention not use for concrete, do you mean the actual spike being inserted or the spike overall? Because in my XC course there is a concrete hill and im still deciding if to get these
No concrete with spikes inserted.
If there was a course that was mostly concrete, would it be okay to run it in these shoes without the spikes inserted? My only other option would be trainers.
@@pianoaddict2650 if the course is "mostly" concrete then we would not recommend the DragonFly XC, the concrete would tear down the sole faster compared to a normal trainer.
@@pianoaddict2650 If it's mostly concrete I'd say go vaporflys or another carbon super shoe, if its offroad with a stretch of concrete do dragonfly xc with no spikes inserted
Can you use this on a track
Yes.
are there blanks made for these shoes??
Yes: www.vsathletics.com/store/Steel-Replacement-Spikes-spikes2.html
But you would be adding weight to the shoe, lighter if left empty but may get material in the receptacles
Ship to Maldives?
Sorry, we cannot ship Nik outside of the United States.
Do they run true to size? The victory xc I had last year seemed to run small
I agree but mine run true to size
Can I use the mamba’s for XC
Yes, just use 3/8" spikes for traction
@@vsathletics1883 thank you 🙏
Could you use the Nike xc dragonfly for a 1600 meter race I noticed it came with multiple spikes
Yes, but the original Dragonfly will be 1 oz lighter and made for the track.
are these good for track & field 800m race
The Track versions of the DragonFly would be a better choice for an 800m race on the track
should i get these if i’m in california where i can’t wear spikes
ummm no
No they’re spikes. You might be able to wear the waffle though
You can probably get them and then buy and put in blank pins instead of the spike pins
would you recommend these for xc or is there a better shoe i could get?
This is arguably the best spike to get for xc. But imo, basically any spike is good for xc
Can I use dragonfly or mamba 6 for training?
or are they only for race?
I you are doing race intervals or race pace training then yes, but for off tempo training better to wear a racing flat or something similar
Hey I know this is a different question but can I use the Nike zoom rival multi 11 for XC and 1-2 miles
You could, but it would lack the mid foot support/cushioning compared to traditional XC spikes or full Distance spikes
So what spike would help for XC and track 800m
Could you use these on the track aswell?
Yes
Say that I hypothetically found some normal dragonfly’s for 65 bucks would it be worth it to get the xc version or save a few bucks and get the og
XC version will be more durable over the XC season, but it is up to you which you prefer. If the course is full maintained grass then the OG Dragonflys will be okay. Dirt and gravel courses may tear up the OG's faster.