I just got this lens a few weeks ago and have struggled a bit to get results. Thank you for explaining. I also got the 7.5 f2 which I really like. How about a video on that one?
I actually just bought one today. I’m excited to experiment with it. I plan to use it for my job, add something to our videos. Also, your lighting is fantastic!
@@szubal now that you’ve had it for longer, are you getting better results? It’s definitely a learning curve. And I haven’t see the 7.5 but I did a video on this 6mm MFT lens a while ago which is the same effective focal length (MFT 6mm x 2 = 12mm vs APS-C 7.5mm x 1.6 = 12mm) ua-cam.com/video/7deNesteu8I/v-deo.html
Coming back a year later to offer my agreements and disagreements on this lens with respect to what you've shared in this excellent video: This lens is in fact my daily driver! I'm using it on a Fujifilm XT-5. I march to the beat of a different bugler so I understand why you would say this isn't an everyday lens. I'm looking for the hidden story in what I'm viewing. So while I'd never land a gig photographing a crime scene for the local police department, I could probably make said cringe scene palatable for a coffee table book about cringe scene photos (I left the fortuitous autocorrect for effect). Rewatching this video a year later made me understand why I always seem to gravitate towards rotating the lens to 90° and pointed down at maximum tilt. The funkiness of it all is something to behold. But there is one thing I wasn't clear on after rewatching... you mentioned that you wish the lens would rotate (or tilt--I forget which it was) at less than 90° so that you could get the lens plane to line up exactly. The example you used was the angled stone steps. I struggle with that too, but my solution has been to rotate the lens in the opposite direction. I wish the lens would segment the rotation to 15° and sometimes I wonder if a shift feature works have fixed the issue. I love this lens. I love your video. I love you for introducing me to the lens.
I had to go back and rewatch the video before I could reply. Man, this was a cool video! haha… OK, so my comment was about it rotating 90˚ only in one direction. Imagine a pie cut into four slices. Remove the top right and bottom left slices -- the lens can only rotate where there's pie. The other half isn't available. That's the problem.
I do not say lightly, because I have never said this of any explainer video: Yours is the absolute best offering in terms of gaining interest at the beginning and the physics behind why tilt shift works (not how-with formulas and graphs… but why-with history and the philosophical perspective, which is even more important).
Use this as my street lens on a Sony A7Rii. Yes not crisp at the edges but that’s all part of the fun. Start moving out of the zero plain and it really comes into it’s own. Had an issue with focus ring coming adrift but the screws on the ring just needed nipping up.. Would love a 35mm or 24mm version.
As a long time Lensbaby fan, I've recently got an Edge 35mm optic, which is working exactly like the TTArtisans one - except with the composer pro mount, it's more flexible. But it's only f3.5 wide open, not f1.4. At the moment, the lens sells for 269 Euros on Amazon Germany, which is OK. I'll keep an eye on this, hoping they come out with a 28mm tilt lens, which I would take immediately.
I've seen a few videos about this lens. You're the first person to bother to think to communicate the physics behind what's happening rather than just moving the lens around and saying it tilts.
Thank you for noticing and caring! Not that many comments noted the presentation that I thought was quite interesting and clever 😅 I’m glad someone appreciated it!
I've owned the Nikkor tilt-shit lens for decades now, and in photography, it is truly something that will give you UNIQUE and SPECIAL effects, that said, this effect is even more amazing for videos and the Tilt-shift effect in Resolve gets you 90% of the way there for free, if you have Resolve. ;)
Great video! Since there is more control over the focus I always wondered if there was a way to use tilt-shift lens to go the other way around, that is shoot miniatures but make it look life size...
What a wonderful question. Unfortunately I believe the answer is no. Once you tilt in either direction, you are narrowing the intersection, making focus more narrow, not broader. Sorry!!
I had a full set of TS-E lenses, 17, 24 Mark II, 45, 90. I think the design of the last two date to around 1990. Then Canon introduce 50mm Macro, 90mm Macro, 135 Macro. So now it has five. TS-R lenses are rumoured, and at least one rumour mentions AF. Nikon has four PC lenses, I never remember what they are. When the PC-19 was introduced, reviewers asserted it wasn't as good as the TS-E 17. And the price! A TS-E 17 plus EOS 6D could be had for less. A problem I had with TS-E lenses on Canon DSLRs is that the cameras drop out of live view. Now, I use them on a Lumix S1R with a Sigma adaptor and they behave perfectly. And my usual technique of setting exposure works too, and then there's focus peaking. My TS-E 24 II is my preferred FF lens for landscape photography. I don't use filters often, but occasionally I do. I must try tilt, it will be easier with the S1R, it was too clumsy for my taste with DSLRs.
Damn! What a good lesson, with fantastic examples of a tilt lens! Thanks so much. Just curious, practicality wise, what do we miss out on with this lens NOT having the 'Shift' aspect of a Tilt Shift Lens?
Thanks! I originally planned to talk “shift” but it made the video too long. But basically, the lens is larger and projects a larger image than needed on the sensor, so you can shift the lens up/down and get a PORTION of that wider field of view. Practically this means that you can hold a lens parallel to a subject (e.g. a building), but what you see through the camera is only part of the subject, so then you shift the lens to see a different part of the subject. Combine that with tilt and you can photograph a skyscraper from the ground as if you were half way up the building. They are amazing lenses.
@@deanisplemoni that is precisely one very good use. Of course today panorama correction is so good it’s not really necessary to shoot that way anymore. But it used to be The Way. Tilt/focus correction however can’t (currently) be handled by software so Tilt is still very valuable. In fact part of my original script was to discuss precisely that, and to show that even without shift I could capture a building in focus while pointing up at it, then correct the perspective in Lightroom. But then I realized the 50mm was far too tight for that. Oops. So you can kinda get an idea of how the script evolved 😄
I haven't played with tilt shift, but I do own a Lensbaby lens, which is fun for more artistic stuff. at $200 this is definitely tempting. Can you adapt L to m4/3?
Have they made a version for the Micro 4/3s mount? It seems that Lumix has pretty much abandoned that format, by not offering new versions of cameras in that format ...
The first part is correct. A shift lens has to project a larger field of view than the sensor needs, so you can simply shift the lens to shift the scene. The lens has to be physically larger and is therefore more expensive, which is why TTArtisans chose to make this a tilt-only lens, to keep the size and weight and price down. As to making the miniature software in blur; to a degree, yes, but it's not the same. Think of it like depth of field mode on the phone. It's pretty good, but it's not the same as real shallow depth of field. Plus there's no depth map for the software to work on from "miniature" video. It's definitely not the same thing.
I have Samyang 3.5/24mm tilt-shift lens. It's dirt cheap (used) and fun to play with. I barely use it of course, but if somebody wants a chep intro into this stuff, it's okay.
@@photojoseph yeah, in modern days a tilt-shift lens is more of artistic thing and not a problem-solving magical device. There are tons of good wide lenses, so shift is very questionable. As for architecture, we have drones now, duh. As for the artistic part super fun but not too much reasons to pay too much. f/1.4 on a tilt lens is freaking cool though, a part of me is intrigued.
@@photojoseph it was in reference to your voice.. Which is really good and if you've ever seen an episode of Arrested development, you sound exactly like the guy who does their voice overs, who incidentally is the famous director Ron Howard. So it was a compliment but all good. You don't need to respond
I don't get, why you couldn't get the stairs in focus. I mean, focus is a plane. Isn't this lens made to tilt and rotate this plane? Why couldn't you align this plane so that the vegetation and the stairs intersect with that plane?
@@photojoseph yes. From flat on the ground (assuming you can tilt the focus plane by 90°), by rotating it to tilt downwards, to flat on a wall, by rotating it to tilt sideways. And The angle of the cliff is somewhere in between. And the angle of the stairs you match by actually tilting the focus plane. Or where did I misunderstood what you meant by "it only rotates 90°"? (which is tbf not unlikely since I couldn't test it myself ... yet.) But as far as I saw it was it in the video it was less a matter of matching the rotation to the angle of the cliff but getting the tilt of the plane to match the angle the stairs.
It’s been a while since I did this but you probably could just rotate the camera to get the angle you wanted. I believe I was illustrating a point. Other Tilt lenses don’t have that 90° limit.
@@photojoseph Ah, I guess I understand it now. So, baisically it IS possible but just not with this very lens design. I thought this was about creative limitations in generall. Now that I know this, my previous comment looks kinda rude. I want to apologise for that.
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Have you ever used a Tilt lens? At just $200, will you get one?
I just got this lens a few weeks ago and have struggled a bit to get results. Thank you for explaining. I also got the 7.5 f2 which I really like. How about a video on that one?
I actually just bought one today. I’m excited to experiment with it. I plan to use it for my job, add something to our videos.
Also, your lighting is fantastic!
@@rnoirs that’s awesome! And thank you 😊
@@szubal now that you’ve had it for longer, are you getting better results? It’s definitely a learning curve. And I haven’t see the 7.5 but I did a video on this 6mm MFT lens a while ago which is the same effective focal length (MFT 6mm x 2 = 12mm vs APS-C 7.5mm x 1.6 = 12mm)
ua-cam.com/video/7deNesteu8I/v-deo.html
@@photojoseph Still playing with it and yes getting better results. Interesting when you use it as a focus stack lens :)
Coming back a year later to offer my agreements and disagreements on this lens with respect to what you've shared in this excellent video:
This lens is in fact my daily driver! I'm using it on a Fujifilm XT-5. I march to the beat of a different bugler so I understand why you would say this isn't an everyday lens. I'm looking for the hidden story in what I'm viewing. So while I'd never land a gig photographing a crime scene for the local police department, I could probably make said cringe scene palatable for a coffee table book about cringe scene photos (I left the fortuitous autocorrect for effect).
Rewatching this video a year later made me understand why I always seem to gravitate towards rotating the lens to 90° and pointed down at maximum tilt. The funkiness of it all is something to behold.
But there is one thing I wasn't clear on after rewatching... you mentioned that you wish the lens would rotate (or tilt--I forget which it was) at less than 90° so that you could get the lens plane to line up exactly. The example you used was the angled stone steps. I struggle with that too, but my solution has been to rotate the lens in the opposite direction. I wish the lens would segment the rotation to 15° and sometimes I wonder if a shift feature works have fixed the issue.
I love this lens. I love your video. I love you for introducing me to the lens.
I had to go back and rewatch the video before I could reply. Man, this was a cool video! haha… OK, so my comment was about it rotating 90˚ only in one direction. Imagine a pie cut into four slices. Remove the top right and bottom left slices -- the lens can only rotate where there's pie. The other half isn't available. That's the problem.
TTArtisan told me the other day that they've sold so many of this lens that they've paused the 100mm release in order to meet production demand.
Oh wow. And they’re working on a 100mm tilt?? That’s odd. I’d much rather see a super wide one.
@@photojoseph 100macro .It's on their published roadmap so I'm not leaking :) I have it
@@DamianBrown ah ok!
@@DamianBrown Having owned, both I think they should have continued pausing the 100mm macro version.
LOL… well… stand by!
Best explain i watch on till now. Thanks!
Thank YOU!
I do not say lightly, because I have never said this of any explainer video: Yours is the absolute best offering in terms of gaining interest at the beginning and the physics behind why tilt shift works (not how-with formulas and graphs… but why-with history and the philosophical perspective, which is even more important).
Wow thank you man, I really REALLY appreciate that. Hardly anyone appreciated it that much and your comment makes the whole video worthwhile!
I was going to say the same thing. It’s the reason why I subscribed halfway through the video.
Thank you brother. I really, really appreciate you saying that.
This is a really all-encompassing and comprehensive review, awesome!
Glad you liked it!
This could be a fun not very expensive lens to experiment with thanks for letting me know it exists.
It really is! My pleasure!
damn, that seems really a really fun lens. Thanks for the lesson
You’re welcome, and thanks for watching!
Gaaaahhh! *another* lens in my bag! 😆 I kind of put the Lens Baby series in this category too.
Yeah some of the Lens Baby lenses can definitely get this look! Thanks for watching!
Use this as my street lens on a Sony A7Rii. Yes not crisp at the edges but that’s all part of the fun. Start moving out of the zero plain and it really comes into it’s own. Had an issue with focus ring coming adrift but the screws on the ring just needed nipping up.. Would love a 35mm or 24mm version.
Yes! It’s a fantastically fun lens at a very good price. Thanks for sharing your experience with it!
As a long time Lensbaby fan, I've recently got an Edge 35mm optic, which is working exactly like the TTArtisans one - except with the composer pro mount, it's more flexible. But it's only f3.5 wide open, not f1.4. At the moment, the lens sells for 269 Euros on Amazon Germany, which is OK. I'll keep an eye on this, hoping they come out with a 28mm tilt lens, which I would take immediately.
Awesome!
Very good video👍
Thank you 👍
I've seen a few videos about this lens. You're the first person to bother to think to communicate the physics behind what's happening rather than just moving the lens around and saying it tilts.
Thank you for noticing and caring! Not that many comments noted the presentation that I thought was quite interesting and clever 😅 I’m glad someone appreciated it!
cool lens, I have a 45mm lens baby tilt lens & love it for artistic images , would love to try this out
Go for it!
I've owned the Nikkor tilt-shit lens for decades now, and in photography, it is truly something that will give you UNIQUE and SPECIAL effects, that said, this effect is even more amazing for videos and the Tilt-shift effect in Resolve gets you 90% of the way there for free, if you have Resolve. ;)
ha I didn't even know Resolve had the effect! Still, optical is always better. Thanks for watching!
@@photojoseph Always a pleasure watching your channel!
Great video! Since there is more control over the focus I always wondered if there was a way to use tilt-shift lens to go the other way around, that is shoot miniatures but make it look life size...
What a wonderful question. Unfortunately I believe the answer is no. Once you tilt in either direction, you are narrowing the intersection, making focus more narrow, not broader. Sorry!!
I had a full set of TS-E lenses, 17, 24 Mark II, 45, 90. I think the design of the last two date to around 1990. Then Canon introduce 50mm Macro, 90mm Macro, 135 Macro. So now it has five.
TS-R lenses are rumoured, and at least one rumour mentions AF.
Nikon has four PC lenses, I never remember what they are. When the PC-19 was introduced, reviewers asserted it wasn't as good as the TS-E 17. And the price! A TS-E 17 plus EOS 6D could be had for less.
A problem I had with TS-E lenses on Canon DSLRs is that the cameras drop out of live view. Now, I use them on a Lumix S1R with a Sigma adaptor and they behave perfectly. And my usual technique of setting exposure works too, and then there's focus peaking.
My TS-E 24 II is my preferred FF lens for landscape photography. I don't use filters often, but occasionally I do.
I must try tilt, it will be easier with the S1R, it was too clumsy for my taste with DSLRs.
Wow that’s amazing. Thanks for sharing!! Now I want to find a used Canon TS EF to play with 😅
@@photojoseph I also have a EF to MFT adaprot. I shuld try one on one of my smaller cameras. 17 is not very wide, but 11 or 12 mm of shift is HUGE.
Damn! What a good lesson, with fantastic examples of a tilt lens! Thanks so much.
Just curious, practicality wise, what do we miss out on with this lens NOT having the 'Shift' aspect of a Tilt Shift Lens?
Thanks! I originally planned to talk “shift” but it made the video too long. But basically, the lens is larger and projects a larger image than needed on the sensor, so you can shift the lens up/down and get a PORTION of that wider field of view. Practically this means that you can hold a lens parallel to a subject (e.g. a building), but what you see through the camera is only part of the subject, so then you shift the lens to see a different part of the subject. Combine that with tilt and you can photograph a skyscraper from the ground as if you were half way up the building. They are amazing lenses.
@@photojoseph that's awesome!
So baaically create a panorama after the fact, and it'll already be perspective correct.
@@deanisplemoni that is precisely one very good use. Of course today panorama correction is so good it’s not really necessary to shoot that way anymore. But it used to be The Way. Tilt/focus correction however can’t (currently) be handled by software so Tilt is still very valuable. In fact part of my original script was to discuss precisely that, and to show that even without shift I could capture a building in focus while pointing up at it, then correct the perspective in Lightroom. But then I realized the 50mm was far too tight for that. Oops. So you can kinda get an idea of how the script evolved 😄
Does it work on APSC cameras? I dont know if the smaller sensor effects the image
It would work but yes you’d be cropping out of the center - which would be fine for most things!
Can you show me how to use this lens? very interesting clip, thank you
Did… you watch the full video? Maybe someone clipped it and you saw that but click through to the full video.
I haven't played with tilt shift, but I do own a Lensbaby lens, which is fun for more artistic stuff. at $200 this is definitely tempting. Can you adapt L to m4/3?
There is no adapter for L to M43. There isn’t enough difference in the flange distances to insert an adapter.
Have they made a version for the Micro 4/3s mount? It seems that Lumix has pretty much abandoned that format, by not offering new versions of cameras in that format ...
Did you miss the GH6? And I don’t believe this lens is available in MFT but you can check the link in description to see if it’s there.
One video say tilt shift lens is just in lens crop of a wider lens, is this true? And you can make miniature with software blur too right?
The first part is correct. A shift lens has to project a larger field of view than the sensor needs, so you can simply shift the lens to shift the scene. The lens has to be physically larger and is therefore more expensive, which is why TTArtisans chose to make this a tilt-only lens, to keep the size and weight and price down. As to making the miniature software in blur; to a degree, yes, but it's not the same. Think of it like depth of field mode on the phone. It's pretty good, but it's not the same as real shallow depth of field. Plus there's no depth map for the software to work on from "miniature" video. It's definitely not the same thing.
I have Samyang 3.5/24mm tilt-shift lens. It's dirt cheap (used) and fun to play with. I barely use it of course, but if somebody wants a chep intro into this stuff, it's okay.
Buying used is always a great way to get into it!
@@photojoseph yeah, in modern days a tilt-shift lens is more of artistic thing and not a problem-solving magical device. There are tons of good wide lenses, so shift is very questionable. As for architecture, we have drones now, duh. As for the artistic part super fun but not too much reasons to pay too much.
f/1.4 on a tilt lens is freaking cool though, a part of me is intrigued.
@@ErrorTH definitely not as needed as before. But drones aren’t always an option and it’s hard to dispute the benefits in my tabletop photo example!
man I thought I was watching an episode of arrested development. i made a huge mistake
I don’t understand the comment, and I won’t respond to it.
@@photojoseph it was in reference to your voice.. Which is really good and if you've ever seen an episode of Arrested development, you sound exactly like the guy who does their voice overs, who incidentally is the famous director Ron Howard. So it was a compliment but all good. You don't need to respond
@@photojoseph and the line "I made a huge mistake" is the most famous line from that show
@@genin69 my response was a quote as well 😂
I don't get, why you couldn't get the stairs in focus. I mean, focus is a plane. Isn't this lens made to tilt and rotate this plane? Why couldn't you align this plane so that the vegetation and the stairs intersect with that plane?
Because it only rotates 90° one direction.
@@photojoseph yes. From flat on the ground (assuming you can tilt the focus plane by 90°), by rotating it to tilt downwards, to flat on a wall, by rotating it to tilt sideways. And The angle of the cliff is somewhere in between.
And the angle of the stairs you match by actually tilting the focus plane.
Or where did I misunderstood what you meant by "it only rotates 90°"? (which is tbf not unlikely since I couldn't test it myself ... yet.)
But as far as I saw it was it in the video it was less a matter of matching the rotation to the angle of the cliff but getting the tilt of the plane to match the angle the stairs.
It’s been a while since I did this but you probably could just rotate the camera to get the angle you wanted. I believe I was illustrating a point. Other Tilt lenses don’t have that 90° limit.
@@photojoseph Ah, I guess I understand it now. So, baisically it IS possible but just not with this very lens design.
I thought this was about creative limitations in generall. Now that I know this, my previous comment looks kinda rude. I want to apologise for that.
Not at all, no worries! It’s a mechanical limitation that afaik has no good reason being there and is kind of annoying.
03:10. I disagree. both tilt-only lens and shift-only lens, need to cover an image circle much larger than actual sensor.
Shift needs a lot more. And as you can see… this isn’t that big and it does indeed tilt!