How to Cut / Polish Undermount Sink in Granite by Hand
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2017
- A quick tutorial on how I like to cut and polish an undermount sink in granite, quartz or marble. Can be a little tricky at first, but becomes easier the more you do. If your new to handsaw cutting, just stay farther away from your finished cut line and grind it back later. Takes more time this way, but keeps you from going to far or chipping beyond the tape line.
This can also be done without water, but for me, I have to watch my dust intake after this many years in the stone business. Stone dust isn't the best to breath in.
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Saw and polisher are Alpha brand
Polishing discs are Viper Elites ( In my opinion - These are the best pads I have used yet)
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Recording and editing By: Jay Zagar
Music Is "Fame" By: Ray - Instrumental Stem Which can by found at www.epidemicsound.com
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Not only does the work look good, but these videos are so well put together too! Very artisanal. Who knew I'd want to sit here and watch someone cut a hole in stone? Beautiful!
Well, That just made my day. Much thanks to you for taking the time to watch and to write such an amazing comment. After a 12 hour day of heavy work and loud sounds, this makes it worth it. You're a gem. This is just what I needed. I owe you one Donna. I wish you the best and more. JAY
A few years from the original video post date and I come to the very same conclusion as some other viewers.
Nicely put video, straight to the point, no beating about the bush.
Thanks much!
Thank you much. It means a lot to know that these videos help and(or) entertain people. That was my only goal with this channel. It really makes my day. And if I'm every in Texas, I might look you up fora a free BMW. Sorry for the bad joke. I'm a dad.
Funny how a pro at one thing is a pro at other things. What a great job on the stone, also the video. Keep up the GREAT WORK!
OK. Just made my day. Thanks James. Who knows where this will go, but if I can help someone and get my creative fix at the same time, I see that as a great day. Thanks again.
These videos are super useful, thank you so much for sharing! Bought a used kitchen recently that came with some beautiful slabs of granite and I've been procrastinating on the sink cutout, but now I have at least some idea of what to do.
Gotta practice on the scraps first but watching you has been a big help, I really appreciate it.
Thank you for watching. Let me know how it goes. And feel free to contact me with any other questions.
Great video & comments! Thank you!
Great organization, planning, video, music, and editing working! Wish all UA-cam videos were like this one!!!!
Thanks a ton. If your goal was to make someones day today, you just did. Love seeing comments like this. I Still have a lot to learn with video and editing, But this helps to make it all worth it. Thanks again.
FANTASTIC! Very helpful!
Thanks a ton. Much appreciated.
Great video, thank you very much!
Every question I had was asked by viewers and answered. This is with under 100 comments. Amazing.
Thanks for watching. Much appreciated. It really makes my day knowing I'm helping out in one way or another.
Yosu do really good on your videos man, hope you the best with your channel!
Thanks man. Its always awesome reading comments like this. It means a lot. More to come in the future.
Well done video, was fun.
Thank you. Much Appreciated.
Great work!!!
Thanks a lot. Much appreciated.
Awesome Thanks!
Nice work.
The practice of the last century
thanks alot for this video
Thanks for watching.
Very helpful.
Thank You
Very good ! Better than 95%
Thanks a ton. Much Appreciated
Good job
Thanks. Much appreciated and means allot.
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Very good beter best
Thank you
What is the name for this gorgeous kitchen tap? Is it poasible to drop a link here. Thank you...
Great job.
Make more videos about
Your favorite granite tools?
Please.. Thx
Thanks Diego. I will for sure. Have a bunch of video ideas in the works. And please help me get to 1K subs. Any thing in particular you want to see being used?
I’d like to see the target saw brought out to create finished work from raw material.
Great work! Although I will say it’s much easier to cut using an angle grinder. I cut my corners first then straights. Shape with blade and grinding wheel then polish. All in all good video bro!
Thanks Ross. I would say about 80 percent of the people I work with are better than I am with an angle grinder. But for some reason, I love the control of a hand saw. And might be out of line, but I would bet I can cut a straighter seam with a hand saw than almost anyone with an angle grinder. It just works for me. My comfort zone.
Thanks for the comment. And I respect anyone that can master an angle grinder. Especially an angle grinder with a metal cut-off wheel attached. So dangerous.
Fcuk yea, this is the best video on the subject, no bulshiit...
2 Quick questions: what was the white tape you were using? Looks a lot better than blue painters tape once things get wet. Do you also hand bevel the bottom of the slab where the sink mounts? Thanks for the great video, much better made than others I have watched.
Thanks for the comment Forrest. Awesome to hear you like the video. Much appreciated.
The Tape is just white duct tape. They sell colored rolls at home depot and Lowes now. The white is perfect for laying out with pen and the water doesn't effect it when cutting and polishing.
And yes, I always put at least an 1/8" rounded bevel on the bottom of all cut-outs. It helps to get ride of any chips and looks allot cleaner when finished. Thanks again.
Thanks Jay, great videos.
Great Video! - Just wished you showed how to undermount and secure the sink to the granite
Hi Marc. Check out my channel page. I have three separate videos for three different mounting options. One using GoClips, one using SinkSetter bracket, and one using a stud and clip method. Let me know which one helps out. Thanks for watching.
This video is awesome...whose blades are you using?
Thanks for the kind comment, it means a lot. Currently I really like the Cyclone Turbo Blade. Its a dry cutting blade, red with drilled holes for cooling. Side note ( If your think of buying some blades, I would recommend the dry cutting blades. They work great dry on-site and work even better in the shop with water. Best of both worlds.). www.amazon.com/Cyclone-Granite-Turbo-Blade-Inch/dp/B000VLV4W6
So do you reseal the cuts after? And if so, what brand of sealer do you recommend?
I always do the sealer as the last step. Usually do all the cuts, fills, and holes. Then dry the piece off. Let the piece air dry for a little while (20Min) then start applying your sealer. Look into the sealers from Dry Treat. Awesome Silicone base sealers. Not water based as most chain stores carry. Dry Treat is a 15 year product. www.drytreat.com
Hello Jay, long time not chat! Just watched your cleaning quartz video. Very nicely done video! Mr. Clean magic eraser is also a miracle stain remover as you may already know. Question for you. In a large island needing a seam, other than matching veins in the manufactured quartz, is there any reason you cant get a nice seam over about 36" width in the middle of the island. Any concerns about bowing over such a large cut resulting in a gap and slabs not being perfectly flush at seam? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks man!
Dan the Man. The longest seam I have done was about 67" long. And like you're saying, getting a very straight cut is the most important. And at that size, you will have warping and imperfections with the stone face. I would say just plan for it. With that said, you will get the best results by using two sets of automatic seamers. Like the ones I use in my "seam granite in 2 1/2 min" video. These cups are usually strong enough to flatten out any height changes. If it is a real pain, use clamps and a piece of stone to keep the open ends flat. Then use the seamer machine to level out the inside area. Spread them out nice and evenly. Large seams like this can be easier sometime than trying to flex a warp out of a 22" wide piece. Thanks for the comment again. Much appreciated.
@@GraniteByJay Thanks bro!
i noticed in one video y'all have a fab king . is it a good tool or save my money for my small shop ?
If your a small shop, save your money. Maybe I'm old school, but having hand tool talents, or training someone these skills, is more important then a machine for 20,000. Plus you, or who ever you teach, can also bring these skills to on-site work as well.
How would you do this to granite in place for a remodel?
On the ground and with a target saw:P
What was the grit of the drum wheel that you used? Thanks
The drum wheels don't exactly go by grit. Its a 2" zero tolerance drum wheel. But if I took a guess it would be around a 50 or 35 grit.
Do you have a link for the Viper Elite polishing pads? It’s mentioned in your video description but there’s no link. I would appreciate it. Thank you for the video!
Try this.
www.bbindustriesllc.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=viper+pads
let me know if it works
Thanks for reaching out
When you start polishing do you put your polisher at high speed or medium? And do you put pressure or let the polisher do the work
Hello. When using this alpha air polisher, I always just turn it on full. However, If I'm using an electric grinder on-site, I usually set the speed to about half or a little under. The electric grinders have a higher rpm. And as far as the pressure, Its more of a "feel" kind-a thing. Here goes my best attempt at explaining. Think of it as being about 12" or so away from a wall. Then with hands mid chest level, lean into the wall. If I had to guess, around 20-30 lbs of pressure. Hope This Helps and Thanks for the comment.
Granite By Jay
Thank you keep posting videos love the setup
Amazing work! Where is your shop located?
Thank you. I'm in northeast Ohio.
How do you carry to the job site, Do you have to worry about it cracking have any tricks to share about supporting it
Cracking is always a possibility. But here are some tips. Just remember to always be aware of where your feet are. Always have a escape route if these pieces ever fall or break.
1. Reinforce any cutouts with steel or fiberglass support rails that are routered into the bottom of the stone.
2. Always transport and carry piece standing vertical. In other words, don't pancake the material by moving it flat. Or table topping.
3. We always use side clamps as much as possible. And use carts that are low to the ground.
This gives you the option to always take a break. And you won't get stuck holding a piece with no other option then to drop it.
4. Most Important. Have a good teammate that you can lift and carry with. You want to be smooth and in sync with each other. If one person twists the opposite way you do, things can end badly.
Hope this helps and thanks for the comment. Much appreciated.
What kind of tape did you use to help mark off the cut area? That is not masking tape is it?
Hello. This is just white duct tape. They started making duct tape in different colors a couple years ago. It's perfect for work on stone with water tools. Won't fall off during fabrication.
You can use normal grey duct tape too. All the same, just more visibility.
Can use a angle grinder to cut this marble stone ? Small disc grinder
You can use one for sure. It's all what you feel comfortable using. I personally have more control with the hand saw for cutting. But I also have some buddies that hate the hand saw, and are better with an angle grinder.
Couple advantages of the hand saw (my opinion). Better water control when cutting wet. Easier dust control onsite when cutting dry. More spots to grip. They last a long time without heating up. And safer when it comes to kick-back and stone chips.
Granite By Jay ain’t that the truth. Have burned quite a few grinders
@@jeffmiranda41 Too many for sure. I think they need to start integrating the "brush-less" tech into the grinders and hand saws. Not sure if you have used the brush-less drill sets, but they are the business.
Funny that my granite top looks just like this! But Just curious, I got the same granite for my kitchen, and it currently houses a 33 inch wide under mount stainless steel sink in a 60/40 size, has like an S shape cut out at the top section, I want to change it too a rectangular 33 inch drop in sink, how much would it cost to have a specialist to just cut the existing granite to the opening to fit the new 33 inch drop in sink? It seems like the top and corners just need to be cut
Hello. Its gets a little tricky when give people a price range. There are some factors you have to keep in mind. And I'll give you a range of what I would think would be fair. A long as you don't say "This dumb granite guy on UA-cam told me it would cost this much" Deal?
- Cheapest I have done this for is $150. Homeowner Just moved in. Old sink was already removed. There was no furniture, and other construction projects where going on at the same time. So, I used a vacuum, but didn't have to be extremely clean. I was in and out 30min later.
- Highest I have charged was $550. House was extremely clean. I needed to build a bubble tent with two vacuums running. Paid another guy to help. I also unhooked the old sink and siliconed the new one in. But didn't do any plumbing hook ups. Set up and all cleaning was about 4 Hrs of work.
Again, every job is a little different. I don't usually give a price until I see pictures or visit the job site.
Plus there would be a price difference if the material was $150 per sqft Quartzite compared to $40 per sqft Uba Tuba. Like a "Risk Factor" Charge.
Hope This helps and thank for watching.
JAY
Sorry for the Novel.
@@GraniteByJay no problem, thank you for your reply, i know giving an estimate range over online is tough, but thank you. Yea you know what the jackass contractor did? He put the DROP IN 33 inch sink on TOP of the kitchen cabinet, THEN he put the granite on top and just cut out the holes to make it look like it's an Undermounted sink, when it's not....Now i need a way to remove this god damn sink that's sandwiched between the granite and the cabinet. I'm handy and got hundreds of tools myself, and power tools, I would like to maybe cut out the sink to make it easier for the granite specialist to enlarge the sink cut out for my new Rectangular drop in sink to fit on. How do i go about this? some forums said try a dremmel and just cut from the top so that the main bowl parts just drop down and what's left will be the sides of the sink just still sandwiched between the granite and cabinet, which wouldn't matter once the Granite specialist enlarges the granite cut out. Help appreciated, thank you
@@bludika That's a tough call man. Cutting stainless is a pain in the ass. But you might not have any other option. Any chance you could take the granite out. Just thinking best case scenario would be to remove the granite before cutting the new sink size. I do know that the new cutout will make your stone a lot more fragile. Top Mount sink cutouts are so big now days front to back.
Second option. Leave the sink in place and cut the stone for new cutout. Use the old sink to catch all the pieces and dust. After that you might get luck. Might be able to fish the old sink out. If not, you might need to pick up stainless or carbide tipped sawzall blade. Not the safest option though. the vibrations can crack the stone pretty easy.
Hope this helps and sorry to hear about the bad luck. And hopeful the price doesn't make you puke, but this is a tricky one.
@@GraniteByJay yea....i hate how they did it, you ever heard that type of installation before? those jackasses did NOT actually cut out the sink to fit an actual Undermount sink exactly, instead, they cut the granite to fit around the stainless steel sink which a Drop-in, not designed for undermount, then they put plywood on top of the kitchen cabinet, made a big cut out for the sink, then they put the Drop-in sink on top of the playwood, THEN they put the granite on top to make it look appear it's an Undermount sink....now the drop-in sink is stuck between the playwood and granite. Would the easiest way be maybe cut out that plywood and try to shimmy the stainless steel sink out from between? Thanks in advance. It seems like the way they did it was to save time and to avoid being precise to make it look like an Undermount sink. BTW amazing work! nice and clean and precise
@@bludika That could be a great option too. If you have a 36" sink CAB, the inside of you CAB should be 34 1/2". Which means you would be able cut straight up from the sidewalls of the cabinet and maybe drop the 33" sink and plywood without removing the stone. That could work. Let me know how it goes. I have some time invested now. Good luck Bludika.
Just out of curiosity, how long would it take you to finish off a sink like this? Great video for showing the process though!
Hey Matt. From layout to finished, I can usually do one in about an hour to 1.5 hours. Depends on the shape of the sink really.
@@GraniteByJay Wow!
What tape do u use
Its just colored duct tape. They sell it at HomeDepot and Lowes.
What do you do to trace the sink edges if there is no template provided?
Most of the time you can make a template by laying the sink face down on a piece of cardboard. Then trace to outside rim. Last just offset inward the distance you want and cut out the new template. If the outside shape doesn't match the inside sink shape, you will have to go in thru the drain hole to trace the inside shape of the bowl. Hope this helps. Thanks for reaching out.
@@GraniteByJay Thanks for your reply and advise, did you have a chance to look at my link on my previous message? There is a revolutionary new Invention Magnetrace that make this job much better and easier. What do you think about it? Your comment would be most appreciated.
Also by adding a cooktop bag you eliminate damage to cabinets and flooring by falling debri. Catches the water as well. Tie it up when done and throw it away. cooktopbags.com
So, a sawzall won't work? Now, ya tell me!...:)... Also, polishing with my palm sander just didn't work... Sweet cutout, The wet saw to rough out corners was awesome To!
Thanks for the comment. Although I have never tried, I do believe a sawzall won't work. Unless maybe they make a diamond blade for it. Even still that would be really tough to cut stone. And as far as the palm sander, I use it for resurfacing sometimes on softer marbles and soapstone with a honed finish. But its not fast enough for harder granites and quartz. Hope this video helped. And keep trying new things. You never know what will or will not work until you try.
:)...Nah, I'm a tradesman for 30 years...I've done thousands of feet of counter...Just pulling your leg...I know you need the diamonds for granite...I was calling back to before we started using granite and had laminated counter tops...Much easier...:)...Stay safe!
Nice work on 30 years. I'm coming up on 20 next summer. Goes fast man. Much Respect.
:)...It does seem like it's flown by...But, when you think about all you did in your near 20 years, It's astounding to think of! It's like we always remember our first real job and the most recent couple...Everything else between is a blur...:).. Watch your bottom line and stay lean and mean, and above all, stay safe! Love what you do and you'll never work a day in your life...:)...Health, success, freedom and love to you and yours!
Just wait till your 62 like me. Has gone waaaaay tooooo Fast. I want to keep on working till I'm gone. Cool Comments!!!
Great video, but you foget to show us how you do the hole and how you install
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Why wouldn't you cut the straight edges to the beginning of the radius on the bridge saw when your cutting the job?
Then it wouldn't be "cutting by hand". But great point. That's what we do 90% of the time.
@@GraniteByJay Ahh touche! Love to watch a weekend warrior have a crack at home after viewing this video. Shit would be chipped, out of square, corner radiuses would be a debacle......and snap! The benchtop folds in half as they pick it up flat off the workstation 🤣 done many an undermount in my time, in just as many variations of stones and colours. This takes me back to the days of yesteryear, balls to the wall with nothing but hand tool, and a bag full of tricks that you've self discovered or been shown by someone else as idiotic as yourself to be in the trade lol. Most kids a few years into the caper these days wouldn't know where to start now. Different time and era, margins don't really allow the luxury of yesteryear. Two Farnese Alexia CNC's run all day and into the evening here now. I remember the time when I'd shape lambs tongue edges with a 6inch, then shape a 60grit carbide wheel and so forth....time for this old man to have a lay down 🤣
@@yeahnah7220 O ya. A fellow friend that came from one tool and hard work, to now having CAD driven saws and a warm coffee in hand. I still love going back to hand work sometimes. I never want to lose those skills. And it makes you appreciate what you have now. I wish you the best. Cheers.
Very nice! Bad A$$!!
Thanks. Much appreciated Solo.
Just get a drop in and save yourself the headache of doing all this lol..
Isn't that the truth. My back is saying the same thing.
Yup get a water jet to cut the sinks out & only do drop ins & save so much time on polishing production 😂
if there has peoples talk, that would be better
Y is he putting his finger so close to high speed rotating wheel....its soo dangerous...
Thanks for the comment. Diamond tooling is still dangerous, but not nearly as much as wood working tools. These blades cut fast thru hard materials. It would give your skin a kind of rug burn. But you really have to watch out for your nails. They don't stand a chance.
Steven David Not really bad it just scratches your skin off.. I have done it several times. He is blocking the water.
Granite By Jay
Yeah, I’ve had more than my share of rug burns from a grinder. Not that bad. I’m way more careful with wood working tools. Still have all my fingers.
That brick backsplash is horrible.
I agree. It was a quick change out to sell. Worked though, sold in a week.
Todo lo ases mal amigo. Mul mal.
A tí nada te gusta, si te la meten, gritas y si te la sacan, lloras.
Cool but NEVER LEAVE YOU PADS GRIT SIDE DOWN ON THE SURFACE OF THE GRANITE
Bullshit. The pad isnt gonna scratch it. Been leaving them on tops grit down for 10 years. Never once left a scratch.
get to the point, no need for the footage in the beginging