A very fascinating experiment and demonstration that it can be lip-synced. Much easier than the contortions and hoops I had to jump through 40 years ago to get lip-sync sound onto Super 8. Well done!
Thanks for this, I have some super 8 films taken with sound that I wish to transfer to video and you now make this a possibility. Love your content by the way, I find it so nostalgic as I was a super 8 user in the 70s and 80s when I was just a young man.
This is outstanding. Thank you for posting. You did an excellent job right up until 5:58 or so and you began to lose it a bit. But the footage before that was damn near perfect. I guess the extra work in post is to compress the audio by a fraction of a percentage until you get it right.
Thanks so much Frank! You are absolutely right, it does start drifting right where you mention. I think with more time cutting and expanding/contracting the audio track, I could get it even much closer. I only did a bit of contracting on the entire tracks this time.
Great stuff. I'm actually about to experiment with some expired AGFA chrome sound films and a Braun Nizo Integral 7. But I did use a TASCAM and a Eumig Mini 5 to shoot a couple of pieces to camera last year, on brand new Kodak Vision 3 50d films. I found myself adjusting about 20% slower in Premiere Pro and having to adjust up or down along the way. The results were wildly different for each film but overall not bad.
Hey! Could you post a video showing the process of recording using the microphone + recorder? I am using this super 8 camera as well, but more interested in using the audio to play over the visuals...but would be interested in seeing your process!
Hi Bria! I literally just plug my lavalier mic into my Tascam recorder and press record. I did a sort of updated video on syncing audio recently. If you want to see it, it's here: ua-cam.com/video/AQz5jMGzCNg/v-deo.html
Awesome job, I have an old Chinon XL 722P, It only shoots 18 fps. I wanted to use roll of film, 8 second at a time over different events through the summer. In addition to syncing sound with the super 8. I always wondered if this would work. My plan was to mixt footage with todays 60p video from a cell phone. Kind of creating a montage of little events over a few months, kinda like the highlights of a summer. (sorry I edited this post, voice dictation didn't cut it)
@@milesflanagan4899 I think I'm confused by your question(s). The film I used does not have a sound stripe on it. I record audio separately, slating it on the head and tail, then sync it in post by expanding and contracting certain portions of the audio file. I did a more comprehensive video on it more recently, with a wind up camera. Here's that video: ua-cam.com/video/oWI_lxe9R90/v-deo.htmlsi=M5enTi73CzenrKB1
@@Filmboy24 My interested was in seeing how best to sync sound to Super 8 film. Not a Super 8 digital transfer. That I understand. I’m purely interested in actual film. One that runs through a projector. So that you could re-record a striped soundtrack from say German to English. There are many great European Super 8 prints, but often they have European soundtracks. So recording an English one over it would be great.
@@milesflanagan4899 Oh I gotcha now! I haven't recorded sound on film in a long time, though my Elmo ST-180E M does have the capability of recording on both the intended audio stripe as well as the balance stripe. Might make for some fun experiments one of these days.
It could be done, but it would not be easy. They could probably use a variation of the technique the old Auricon 16mm cameras used to record optical sound, except have it encode digital sound similar to way it's done with Dolby Digital and SDDS with 35mm film. The sound could then be decoded when they do the transfer. You'd get fairly decent digital sound in complete sync without the wow and flutter and motor hum of the magnetic method. Like I said, it wouldn't be easy because the free space needed to encode the sound would be even smaller than with 16mm. They could use the area where the original mag stripe would have gone, or in the case of Max-8 cameras, the area where the balance stripe would have gone, just left of the sprocket holes. It'd also have all the same problems that the 35mm film versions have, in that if a sprocket is damaged or the film is kinked somehow, the digital information will be corrupted and you get a drop-out.
@@cubdukat yeah i think a mono optical soundtrack would be the better (and fairly easier) method that could be possible. They could use the method that Fuji used for their single8 system.
@@cubdukat there's a reason why almost no one does sound on film anymore. Even with it working the sound is terrible due to the factors you mentioned... I think there were a couple quartz controlled super 8 cameras? I can't remember exactly. Anyway, from a modern sense you get much better sound quality from a Tascam or Zoom recorder. You can also move your sound recorder away from the camera so that you don't have to make up a "blimp" kit. Super 8 cameras are incredibly noisy so even if you can record sound on them you probably shouldn't. Tarantino used a bit of Super 8 footage in Once Upon a Time in Holywood. I'm sure he didn't include any sound cartridges in his footage.
What you have just presented, I have been waiting and racking my brain for a long time. I kept convincing myself that there has to be a way sync sound can be done wth super 8. Is there an editor that can be used ? Doesn't the film need a magnetic stripe?.
@@bernardtucker2753 Well, there's 2 kinds of sound for super 8. One is the magnetic stripe that runs along the edge of some older film but is no longer manufactured. The other, which is what I did here, is double system, where you record the sound separately, then sync it up in post production. I recorded the audio into my digital recorder, while I was filming. I then imported that audio file, along with my processed film file, into my editing software and synced it up.
I’ve tried syncing sound using a restored Canon 310XL from Pro8mm called “Rhonda Cam” which only runs 18fps. The sound sync would only work for only four to five seconds, then start drifting.
Hey Jared, that's very common with almost all super 8 cameras, they just don't run at truly constant speeds. That's why you have to really adjust everything constantly in post.
Awesome! thank you so much for posting this! For this to work do you have to film the entire roll continuously or can you stop and go like you normally would for a regular super 8 video?
My pleasure, Keaton! Well, it can be a little tricky because if you're going to start/stop filming, you really need to re-slate the head and tail for each time you do. You need those reference marks for expanding and contracting your audio and video files for each "take". It's tough because there's so little running time on one cartridge, so it's imperative that you plan for each shot.
Does anybody remember when they had sync for Super 8 like the Craven sincrodeck that used a reel to reel recorder if someone could figure out say with Cubase to lock it to a projector that would be cool
There were definitely a couple of options I remember back in the late 80's & 90's. Super 8 Sound (now Pro8MM) in Burbank, CA had a really awesome sync sound setup for super 8. They now modify some cameras there for crystal sync but they can get a bit pricey.
Hi Casandra, well, it's going to be tough syncing any sound from any super 8 camera without the help of editing software. My best advice is to use new/fresh batteries and always slate the head and tail of every take. You'll need these reference marks in your picture and audio to help you later in post. Familiarize yourself well with stretching your video clips (in several spots) to match your audio. Your camera's motor isn't going to run at a true constant speed the whole time, like your digital audio recorder is, so keep that in mind. Best of luck!!
I’ve had a 20 year break from super 8, and you just made my day! Pro 8mm prices for crystal synchronized are astronomical and this is incredible!
Thanks so much!! I am, and always have been, a do it yourself kinda guy, so I always had to just figure it out. Much...much cheaper!!
A very fascinating experiment and demonstration that it can be lip-synced. Much easier than the contortions and hoops I had to jump through 40 years ago to get lip-sync sound onto Super 8. Well done!
Thanks, Dave!! Definitely a little easier these days than the old school physical cutting and taping :)
Absolutely great
Thank You!!
You got a CP-16 ... damn dude that’s epic ! You have to show us some footage soon !
Thanks Zakee! I love my CP and it's definitely on my video list. Thanks for watching!!
You did a great job. Thanks for sharing. Keep them coming.
Thank you, Donald!!
It seems to have worked pretty OK.
Damm this was freakin awesome !!! Thank you
Thanks so much, Gabe! Really appreciate it!!
Extremely Helpful Video! Thanks so Much! You Rock Filmboy! Cheers!
Thanks a million!!!
Wow it looks like it synced up perfectly.
Thanks for this, I have some super 8 films taken with sound that I wish to transfer to video and you now make this a possibility. Love your content by the way, I find it so nostalgic as I was a super 8 user in the 70s and 80s when I was just a young man.
Thank you, John!! I really miss shooting good ole Kodachrome super 8 in the 80s.
Thanks for sharing! Has inspired some confidence to give it a go...
Thank you and Good Luck!!
Very good.
Thank you!!
This is outstanding. Thank you for posting. You did an excellent job right up until 5:58 or so and you began to lose it a bit. But the footage before that was damn near perfect. I guess the extra work in post is to compress the audio by a fraction of a percentage until you get it right.
Thanks so much Frank! You are absolutely right, it does start drifting right where you mention. I think with more time cutting and expanding/contracting the audio track, I could get it even much closer. I only did a bit of contracting on the entire tracks this time.
Very Impressive, thanks.
Thanks, Cecil! By the way, really digging your filter tests.
@@Filmboy24 Thanks
I enjoy all you do, good job on stinking up the sound and film. 😂😂😂
Filmboy24: Dude, this is the tutorial I have waited for years to see; who needs film school when we have you?
LOL, Thanks Christopher!!
Great video as usual !
Great stuff. I'm actually about to experiment with some expired AGFA chrome sound films and a Braun Nizo Integral 7. But I did use a TASCAM and a Eumig Mini 5 to shoot a couple of pieces to camera last year, on brand new Kodak Vision 3 50d films. I found myself adjusting about 20% slower in Premiere Pro and having to adjust up or down along the way. The results were wildly different for each film but overall not bad.
Hey! Could you post a video showing the process of recording using the microphone + recorder? I am using this super 8 camera as well, but more interested in using the audio to play over the visuals...but would be interested in seeing your process!
Hi Bria! I literally just plug my lavalier mic into my Tascam recorder and press record. I did a sort of updated video on syncing audio recently. If you want to see it, it's here:
ua-cam.com/video/AQz5jMGzCNg/v-deo.html
Pretty good job indeed
Awesome job, I have an old Chinon XL 722P, It only shoots 18 fps. I wanted to use roll of film, 8 second at a time over different events through the summer. In addition to syncing sound with the super 8. I always wondered if this would work.
My plan was to mixt footage with todays 60p video from a cell phone. Kind of creating a montage of little events over a few months, kinda like the highlights of a summer.
(sorry I edited this post, voice dictation didn't cut it)
Thank you!! That sounds like a great, fun idea! Best of luck!
Until I saw the box I was surprised by the lack of camera noise
Thought you were going to add audio to striped Super 8.
That's pretty easy to do if you have a projector that will record audio.
@@Filmboy24 But how do you get them to sync?
@@milesflanagan4899 I think I'm confused by your question(s). The film I used does not have a sound stripe on it. I record audio separately, slating it on the head and tail, then sync it in post by expanding and contracting certain portions of the audio file. I did a more comprehensive video on it more recently, with a wind up camera. Here's that video: ua-cam.com/video/oWI_lxe9R90/v-deo.htmlsi=M5enTi73CzenrKB1
@@Filmboy24 My interested was in seeing how best to sync sound to Super 8 film. Not a Super 8 digital transfer. That I understand. I’m purely interested in actual film. One that runs through a projector. So that you could re-record a striped soundtrack from say German to English. There are many great European Super 8 prints, but often they have European soundtracks. So recording an English one over it would be great.
@@milesflanagan4899 Oh I gotcha now! I haven't recorded sound on film in a long time, though my Elmo ST-180E M does have the capability of recording on both the intended audio stripe as well as the balance stripe. Might make for some fun experiments one of these days.
Now this is fascinating! Kodak needs to bring sound ba k for Super 8 film makers.
It could be done, but it would not be easy. They could probably use a variation of the technique the old Auricon 16mm cameras used to record optical sound, except have it encode digital sound similar to way it's done with Dolby Digital and SDDS with 35mm film. The sound could then be decoded when they do the transfer. You'd get fairly decent digital sound in complete sync without the wow and flutter and motor hum of the magnetic method.
Like I said, it wouldn't be easy because the free space needed to encode the sound would be even smaller than with 16mm. They could use the area where the original mag stripe would have gone, or in the case of Max-8 cameras, the area where the balance stripe would have gone, just left of the sprocket holes.
It'd also have all the same problems that the 35mm film versions have, in that if a sprocket is damaged or the film is kinked somehow, the digital information will be corrupted and you get a drop-out.
@@cubdukat yeah i think a mono optical soundtrack would be the better (and fairly easier) method that could be possible. They could use the method that Fuji used for their single8 system.
@@cubdukat there's a reason why almost no one does sound on film anymore. Even with it working the sound is terrible due to the factors you mentioned... I think there were a couple quartz controlled super 8 cameras? I can't remember exactly. Anyway, from a modern sense you get much better sound quality from a Tascam or Zoom recorder. You can also move your sound recorder away from the camera so that you don't have to make up a "blimp" kit. Super 8 cameras are incredibly noisy so even if you can record sound on them you probably shouldn't.
Tarantino used a bit of Super 8 footage in Once Upon a Time in Holywood. I'm sure he didn't include any sound cartridges in his footage.
How do you place the soundtrack on the super 8 film?
What you have just presented, I have been waiting and racking my brain for a long time. I kept convincing myself that there has to be a way sync sound can be done wth super 8. Is there an editor that can be used ? Doesn't the film need a magnetic stripe?.
@@bernardtucker2753 Well, there's 2 kinds of sound for super 8. One is the magnetic stripe that runs along the edge of some older film but is no longer manufactured. The other, which is what I did here, is double system, where you record the sound separately, then sync it up in post production. I recorded the audio into my digital recorder, while I was filming. I then imported that audio file, along with my processed film file, into my editing software and synced it up.
How to clean super 8 mm sound film I have PEC-12 and pads.
I’ve tried syncing sound using a restored Canon 310XL from Pro8mm called “Rhonda Cam” which only runs 18fps. The sound sync would only work for only four to five seconds, then start drifting.
Hey Jared, that's very common with almost all super 8 cameras, they just don't run at truly constant speeds. That's why you have to really adjust everything constantly in post.
Awesome! thank you so much for posting this! For this to work do you have to film the entire roll continuously or can you stop and go like you normally would for a regular super 8 video?
My pleasure, Keaton! Well, it can be a little tricky because if you're going to start/stop filming, you really need to re-slate the head and tail for each time you do. You need those reference marks for expanding and contracting your audio and video files for each "take". It's tough because there's so little running time on one cartridge, so it's imperative that you plan for each shot.
How did they do it back then before the digital age?
The most common way was to simply use sound striped film, so that your audio was recorded directly to the magnetic strip on the film itself.
Does anybody remember when they had sync for Super 8 like the Craven sincrodeck that used a reel to reel recorder if someone could figure out say with Cubase to lock it to a projector that would be cool
There were definitely a couple of options I remember back in the late 80's & 90's. Super 8 Sound (now Pro8MM) in Burbank, CA had a really awesome sync sound setup for super 8. They now modify some cameras there for crystal sync but they can get a bit pricey.
Looks like the camera jammed for a split second near the end.
I think it did something a little wacky a time or two during filming for sure.
Planning on experimenting with the canon 514xl, would you have any advice on using that camera to try and sound-sync?
Hi Casandra, well, it's going to be tough syncing any sound from any super 8 camera without the help of editing software. My best advice is to use new/fresh batteries and always slate the head and tail of every take. You'll need these reference marks in your picture and audio to help you later in post. Familiarize yourself well with stretching your video clips (in several spots) to match your audio. Your camera's motor isn't going to run at a true constant speed the whole time, like your digital audio recorder is, so keep that in mind. Best of luck!!
Filmboy24 thank you for the tips! Very much appreciated.
If I could add another suggestion: keep things as short as possible. The shorter the take, the less chances for sync drift.
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