3ABN Today - “The Sonship of Christ ” (TDY018082)
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- God has always been eternal, but when He became the covenant Son, he entered into a “Sonship” relationship with God. He became humiliated and took the form of man. Don’t miss this fascinating interview hosted by Shelley Quinn and her guest, Pastor Ty Gibson on his new book “The Sonship Of God.” This program will open your eyes to the nature of Christ as a man and his eternal nature as God.
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Waggoner book "Christ And His Righteousness " before he left the church. There's a chapter talked about the sonship of Christ, very good with lots of scriptures and his interpretation without the circumvention that other are doing . Check it out.
You can get the book(s) at "TEACH Services" That book and other by SDA Pioneers. Books that have been lost/hidden/removed from our view but through Gods' grace have been re-printed
I read that book and was amazed about who Jesus was who He became and what He is doing on our behalf, never knew it like that before. This man had to be mightily used by God and I appreciate him for that. May God continue to use this truly inspired man.
The first man was made in the image of God then a female partner came who was taken from the substance of the male to have a one loving relationship. Question: Why was God not creating both male and female at the same time? Was there a message for us in this?
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@@3abn I have a suggestion, why don’t you invite pastor Ingo Sorke to present what the LORD had revealed to him on the subject of the Sonship of Christ?
3ABN will answer to God one day including all the pastors who stand under the banner of Satan, preaching a 3 in one or one in 3 gods, or even 3 co-equal, co-eternal gods!
Two. One from the other. Simple
I believe this topic comes down to worship. Do you worship a triune God or the Father and Son. I’ve studied this topic for quite some time and strongly believe that the answer is divinely inspired and not through theological discussion. I have found that prayerfully reading the books of John and Spirit of Prophecy (specifically Patriarchs and Prophets and Desire of Ages) was inspired to lead us to the correct answer. God bless my brothers and sisters!
Yes Jesus is the only being able to enter all the private councils of the Father
Wonderful clarity to enhance and contextualise Biblical relational focus of what our wonderful Saviour has and is doing
29:25 ".. this was the very subject over which the first official historical church council was convened.. the council of Nicea.."
Ty recognizes the Catholic church as the official Christian church.
It was through the SON that GOD created the worlds (Heb. 1:2). Christ was ever GOD's Son, and his sonship did not commence in Bethlehem. See also Proverbs 30:4.
In His humanity He was a partaker of the divine nature. In His incarnation
He gained in a *new sense* the title of the Son of God.
Said the angel to Mary, “The power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35).
While the Son of a human being, He became the *Son of God in a new sense.*
Thus He stood in our world-the Son of God, yet allied by birth to the human race. (1SM 226.2)
The new sense was the title of the Son of God. The modifier in a new sense is used so we may more accurately understand the title, the Son of God and since the modifier for sense is "new", there must then imply for a old sense. One can then infer that the new sense is in relation to his incarnation. The old sense would then have to have existed in his pre-incarnation.
Essentially, if God did not come into our world as Son before his incarnation, He could not be a Son in a new sense.
There is only one 3 in 1 god in the Bible . Father of lies, son of perdition and unclean spirit= none other then Satan himself
powerful...i like this man. May God bless you in Jesus-Christ
One person cannot love, you have to have three? - - maybe in eros, but not so with agape.
If God is Love, then what sense would it for Him to exist without loving? Loving would not be possible. Love is intrinsic to the very existence of God. His very nature. Love is eternal, because God is eternal. Therefore, there must be, and always have been someone to love. Love, by definition, is selfless.
Free Inhabitant Circular reasoning. You’re looking at this matter, through human eyes. God IS love - He needs nothing TO love.
@@hadavisjr That is an absurd statement. There is no reason to Love if there is not an object of Love. It is YOU who are looking through human eyes.
Free Inhabitant Please, take the time to review English grammar (even the Greek, in 1 Jn 4:8) for the infinitive verb, to be. Moreover, the word “love” (i.e., agapé) is not a verb; rather, it’s a noun. The use of of the phrase “is love,” denotes a state of being; not an action.
@@hadavisjr "It's a noun" Which further demonstrates my point. What do you think a "State of Being" is? "God is Love" - The object is God, the Adjective is "love". Adjectives describe nouns dude. I don't think you really know English grammar.
Jesus Christ is called the Son of God, because He is the Son of God.
And He was the Son of God long before He became the Son of man.
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? Proverbs 30:4
Satan has always been envious of the literal sonship of God's Son.
See Proverbs 8:22-31.... "I have been established from everlasting, from the beginning before there was ever an earth. When there was no depths I was brought forth. ....."
So true, and Satan is now using the SDA church to advance this lie that Jesus is not the literal Son of God
Amen. And Daniel 3:25.
This man deserves a doctorate for the deep study and thesis he wrote on The Sonship of Christ.
What about Ellen white and the pioneer's statements where they denounced the trinity and detest it. I hear nothing of early Adventist position.
Oli Far friend they renounced the Catholic viewed. That most of them believed at that time. As the sister said in the video.
Because she wrote on numerous occasions that the Holy Spirit is a person, that's why. But, we have the Bible also.
@@damontracyvis1017 This topic can be confusing. What was the Catholic church view? Didn't the concept of the Trinity come from the Catholic church? In the council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian city of Nicaea by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. Was Constantine a religious scholar? Wasn't he the emperor. Didn't Constantine change the day of worship to Sunday? I read the following from the Handbook for Today’s Catholic, page 11: “The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church.” I am skeptical that any other church should adopt a belief that the Catholic church calls a central doctrine to their Catholic faith.
@@freeinhabitant2422 Some people mistakenly believe that Ellen White believed in the trinity. She did not. People mistakenly use this quote. “Evil has been accumulating for centuries and could only be resisted by the mighty power of the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Godhead.”
-- Manuscript Releases, Vol. 4, page 329
Most people stop here and proclaim that Ellen White believed in the trinity. Not so much. If only people read on to page 332. Just three pages later she tells us twice who the Third Person of the Godhead is:
“Subjection to the Word of God means the restoration of one’s self. Let Christ work by His Holy Spirit, and awaken you as from the dead.” “Receiving the Spirit of Christ, every one of His followers will fulfil a divinely appointed mission not merely to be an influence among influences, but to be a special influence for God in every sense of the
term.”
- Manuscript Releases, Vol. 4, page 332
This happens again in Ellen White's Desire of Ages
“Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power.”
-- The Desire of Ages, page 671
However, later in this same paragraph, Ellen White once again identifies that Third Person:
“... Christ has given His Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress His own character upon His
church.”
-- The Desire of Ages, page 671
Read my post above from Brother J.N. Loughborough.
Here is another from Ellet J. Waggoner: "In arguing the perfect equality of the Father and the Son, and the fact that Christ is in very nature God, we do not design to be understood as teaching that the Father was not before the Son. It should not be necessary to guard this point, lest some should think that the Son existed as soon as the Father; yet some go to that extreme, which adds nothing to the dignity of Christ, but rather detracts from the honor due him, since many throw the whole thing away rather than accept a theory so obviously out of harmony with the language of Scripture, that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so "it pleased the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell." Colossians 1:19 ... While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christ's personality had a beginning. ...
Christ is the "express image" of the Fathers' person. Hebrews 1:3. As the Son of the self-existent God, He has by nature all the attributes of Deity." -- E.J. Waggoner, Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889
before Ellet Waggoner his father said:
"Much stress is laid on Isaiah 9:6 as proving a trinity, which we have before quoted, as referring to our High Priest who shed his blood for us. the advocates of that theory will say that it refers to a trinity because Christ is called the everlasting Father. but for this reason, with others, we affirm that it can hav not reference to a trinity. Is Christ th eFather in the trinity? If so, how is he the Son? or if he is both Father and Son, how can there be a trinity? for a trinity is three persons. To recognize a trinity, the distinction between the Father and Sn must be preserved. Christ is called "the second person in the trinity;" but if this text proves a trinity, or refers o it at all, it proves that he is not the second, but the first. And if he is the first, who is the second? It is very bland that this text has no reference to such a doctrine." -- Joseph. H. Waggoner, 'The Atonement In The Light Of Nature And Revelation, 1884, pp.
...... the great mistake of Trinitarians, in arguing this subject, is this: they make no distinction between a denial of a trinity and a denial of the divinity of Christ. They see only the two extremes, between which the truth lies; and take every expression referring to the pre-existence of Christ a evidence of a trinity. The Scriptures abundantly teach the pre-existence of Christ and his divinity; but they are entirely silent in regard to a trinity. The declaration that, the divine Son of God could not die, is as far from the teaching of the Bible as darkness is from light. And we would ask the Trinitarian, to which of the two natures are we indebted for redemption? The answer must, of course, be, To that one which died or shed his blood for us; for "we have redemption through his blood." Then it is evident that if only the human nature died, our Redeemer is only human, and that the divine Sone of God took no part in the work of redemption, for he could neither suffer nor die. Surely, we say right, that the doctrine of the trinity degrades the Atonement by brining the sacrifice, the blood of our purchase, down to the standard of Socinianism." -- Ibid, p.173 and Review and Herald, Nov. 10, 1863
The first sentence in the video description text above must be a typo. It makes absolutely no sense.
I agree
Satan is like, "Jesus is not the Son of God" (Luke 4:3).
Adventist pastor is like, " Jesus was not always the Son of God" (way back in the past, Satan was right!).
That's too close for comfort.
Hello Andrew, I believe you've misunderstood what he was saying. Ty Gibson, as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church, believe "God the eternal Son became incarnate in Jesus Christ. Through Him all things were created, the character of God is revealed, the salvation of humanity is accomplished, and the world is judged. Forever truly God, He became also truly man, Jesus the Christ.…" Fundamental Beliefs, 4
We do not teach Christ somehow had a beginning way back in the past.
You might find these programs on the Trinity featured on House Calls to be helpful. ua-cam.com/play/PLeFIDisZ08E3XGX91adwy3XTc8v0ZDftg.html
Blessings in your studies
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I am sure "the Son of God" (in the Bible) and "God the eternal Son"(not in the Bible) mean two different things. Regardless, this teaching is out of line with scripture and is closer to what Satan thinks. Even if the pastor's understanding is based off his church organization's creed/beliefs; they are both wrong. Christians have to realize that the Bible is above church tradition; whether that denomination is Roman Catholic, Lutheran... or Seventh-day Adventist.
@@adwThatsMe They are too deep into the river of false doctrine, and too afraid to repent and be saved, because they falsely believe they are saved, so they fear losing their false salvation.
But rebuking is good for those who have not consciously and willingly decided on walking the easy path, the broad way. But are still in between, deciding which master they will serve - and still in darkness, but seeking for hope in truth, not just any "hope".
@@adwThatsMe here’s SOP on the eternal Son:
“The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with His Father. 1SM 247.2”
@@chrischung2365 The quotation you provided said "the eternal Son of God", not *God the eternal Son*. The two are very different.
Was slightly difficult to follow Ty's train of thought with the persistent interruptions. Guess I need to buy the book.
Jeanine Goodwin oh, sister buy it soon.
Jeanine Goodwin before you read his book please read Patriarchs and Prophets by E.G. White, pay attention to the first two chapters. Then read closely the gospel of John especially chapters 5, and 17 you can add 1Coth 8:6
Psalm 146: 3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Satan started the war in heaven over the Sonship of Christ, and it is disappointing to see that the war continues, and is led by by the leading figures in the church. I really hope thy are just not aware of what they are doing.
"CHRIST WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, AND LUCIFER, THAT GLORIOUS ANGEL, GOT UP A WARFARE OVER THE MATTER, until he had to be thrust down to the earth. {Ms86-1910 (August 21, 1910) par. 30}
“This fact the angels would obscure, that Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and they came to consider that they were not to consult Christ. One angel began the controversy and carried it on until there was rebellion in the heavenly courts among the angels” (25LtMs, Lt 42, 1910, par.3)
Did Jesus become the Son at his earthly birth? Was He not a Son before that?
Yes he truly was the only begoten son of GOD !!! THE BIBLE SAYS TRUTH AND ERROR WILL RUN SO CLOSE IF IT WERE POSSIBLE IT WOULD DECEIVE EVEN THE VERY ELECT!
Would love to be part of Arise .
Please 🙏 someone connect me to this discipleship program
So let me get this right, you write a book like "the Sonship of Christ" and suddenly your an expert on the Godhead and even though the Bible AND Ellen White says quite the opposite that there is ONE God, (not 3 in 1) like 1Tim 2:5 and better yet 1 Corinthians 8:6 then from EGW "Testimonies to the churches" pg 268, says GOD is the FATHER of Christ,CHRIST is the SON of GOD, and please read the whole page it's even better, and evn from the pioneers, Rejecting as ABSURD that the that feature of Trinitarianism that insist that God and Christ and the Holy Spirit are three persons and yet one person.
This Ty Gibson has little knowledge of belief in the Bible or EGW by the looks of it.
You guys have been debunked numerous times. I have found the easiest way to find an offshoot group within Adventism, is to just observe what is foremost on their plate. It is NEVER reaching the Lost. Always inward, self focused.
Just !WOW! Hallelujah. 😍
How do I get a copy of that preview of Ty’s book? Love to share it more at my church.
3 divine person equals 1 divine being? That is false. Jesus is a being who died while the Father was in heaven. So it's not possible for there to be only 1 being.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit equals 1 God?
God the Father is fully God in every sense?
God is the Son is fully God in every sense?
God the Holy Spirit is fully God in every sense?
1+1+1=3
There is indeed a 3-in-1 god:
1) god the father of lies
2) god the son of perdition
3) god the spirit of error
It's interesting Ty Gibson is from Light Bearers ministry. Who is the light bearer? Last time I checked, it's the adversary, himself. The 3-in-1 god to whom he gives credence is none other than satan. I'm beginning to wonder, whether 3ABN denotes, Three (Fallen) Angels Broadcasting.
@@hadavisjr right Lucifer is light bearer
Steven Abell Correct. I’m so disappointed in this ministry. They want to spend their lives mending broken people; it’s more like, spending their lives breaking mended people.
How about this calculation..............1x1x1 =1
God in the cube.
@@hadavisjr Satan was the Lightbearer... Please pay attention to the word, "WAS" here. When Satan fell, he was no longer a lightbearer. His name changed to satan. I won't even capitalize his name. Not 1+1+1= 3. It is like this I believe... 1x1x1x=1
God blessed you 👑👑👑👑
Marvelous light we are hearing. Praise God!
This is gross error, plain and simple. Jesus is the PRE-incarnate and literal Son of God, He is not a role playing member of a generic godhead. As usafpilot said above. Please read the following clear and inspired statements from the Spirit of Prophecy:
“Our heavenly Father is the God of the universe, and Christ is the divine Son, the One equal with the Father.” {Ms 49-1906.26}
“God is a person and Christ is a person. Christ is spoken of in the Word as "the brightness of His Father's glory, and the express image of His person." {1SAT 343.3}
God is NOT 3 persons!
“There is no place for gods in the heaven above. God is the only true God. He fills all heaven. Those who now submit to his will shall see HIS FACE; and his name will be in the foreheads of all who are pure and holy.” {1888 1633.2} God is A person, and He has A (singular) FACE!
“The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT of CHRIST,” - (E.G. White, 14MR 84.3)
“We want the HOLY SPIRIT, which is JESUS CHRIST.” - (E.G. White, Lt66, April 10, 1894)
“The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume 8, p. 49} 1892
“As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving Jesus the Comforter.” {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Volume 19, pp. 297, 298} 1892 Jesus IS the Holy Spirit AND the Comforter!
“The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted.” - (E.G. White, YI, July 7, 1898) -- TWO BEINGS ALONE
“God and Christ ALONE know what the souls of men have cost.” - (E.G. White, ST, Jan 13, 1909) -- TWO BEINGS ALONE
- No 3rd being or individual in the Godhead!
“By the Spirit the Father and the Son will come and make their abode with you.” {E. G. White, The Bible Echo, January 15, 1893 par. 8}
The Father and the Son ARE the Holy Spirit, see also Romans 8:9-11; John 14:23; Eph. 3:14-21
“From eternity there was a complete unity between the Father and the Son. They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character.” {E. G. White, The Youth’s Instructor, December 16, 1897 par. 5} God and Christ are One THROUGH THEIR HOLY SPIRIT!
“Can anyone consider the condescension of God in preparing the gospel feast, and its great cost, and treat the invitation slightingly? No man, nor even the highest angel, can estimate the great cost; it is known ONLY to the Father and the Son.” - (E.G. White, BEcho, Oct 28, 1895) -- ONLY TWO BEINGS
God bless you Ty. I agree with the light you are sharing. I always buy your books including the last one “The Heavenly Trio.”
Satan started the war in heaven over the Sonship of Christ, and it is disappointing to see that the war continues, and is led by by the leading figures in the church. I really hope thy are just not aware of what they are doing.
"CHRIST WAS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, AND LUCIFER, THAT GLORIOUS ANGEL, GOT UP A WARFARE OVER THE MATTER, until he had to be thrust down to the earth. {Ms86-1910 (August 21, 1910) par. 30}
“This fact the angels would obscure, that Christ was the only begotten Son of God, and they came to consider that they were not to consult Christ. One angel began the controversy and carried it on until there was rebellion in the heavenly courts among the angels” (25LtMs, Lt 42, 1910, par.3)
Very good, make sense to me. What an awesome and incredible God. Thank you very much, Lord, for the plan of salvation. I’m very interested to read your book, Ty. God bless your ministries.