This was a really good episode, this kind of stuff needs to be talked about more. Everyone sees what's going on. Nobody likes it but doing nothing about it. This ideology of hating your country needs to stop
I thought it sucked. I recently graduated from a top US institution. Did not experience any censorship and did not any see censorship or illiberalism. Woke panic is just a way for conservatives to be victims and pretend they are being persecuted as a power play. Everything conservatives do is a power play.
"There is no passion for the truth". Such a great point! Really liked this talk! The speaker did a great job articulating his points and saying the things many people are afraid of.
Jordan Peterson said it best: "In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive". We've become so soft now that it's preventing us as a society to actually think critically out of fear of offending someone.
Stupid people with no independent thinking take quotes like this to mean "be an a-hole, it's edgy and shows you are a part of the intellectual dark web". No Timmy, calm down.
I have 3 degrees at all levels (bs, MBA, doctorate) in stem and business. Trust me, our education system needs work. But I also make a shit load of money and have boundless opportunity. We need change and reform but there is strength in education if you get the right degrees.
In a high school drop out who would go home and read. I’m poor and my life is ruined.. The system is definitely messed up, but it’s better to just get lucky AND DO IT.
Joe Lonsdale talking style hurts my head. His thoughts are definitely interesting but talking fast without punctuations, pauses is just exhausting to listen.
When he suggests school choice for just the poor, I nodded my head in agreement. Then I realized this is just another way that the middle class is left out of the convo. There are supports of all kinds for those of low SES & the wealthy don’t need help. The middle class are hurting and no one seems to notice
It seems like a rehash of the same situation we get for financing college. The wealthy pay out of pocket, the poor get need based scholarships, and the middle class is stuck holding the bag with high 5 figure or 6 figure student loans.
When I go to Unite Eastern Africa, I'mma have to sit down with Joe. I think a lot of us here think a like, and I'm more optimistic on our ability to change. But still wary of the parameters we are currently under, ie will revolutionary ideas take over the east or the west first.
The leadership vacuum is staggering. We have a lot of people in positions of power and authority who act like they are afraid. I like the 'intellectual humility' point.
Regarding our leaders and politicians there is no incentive for change. It’s more profitable for our politicians to sell out their own country than to help it grow. Both political parties are corrupt.
Great thoughts. I agree with the notion colleges producing individuals who have marxist ideology. In many forms. I feel a cure for this would be push these institutions for higher learning to have more opposing thoughts/philosophy. If you only ever heard from Karl your mindset of the world is shaped through karl now. And any other dogmas attached. If the higher institutions had more open debates only the higher truths would stand. And the falsehoods would ....go to the way side as they are torn apart through intellectual open debate. Yes many will be offended. Maybe they need to be.
college is only worth it for medical professionals, lawyers, engineers. Too expensive, outdated curriculum, and much better value in working for/on a startup
Good points. It was interesting when JCal made the point about having greater empathy for those less fortunate, and then Joe Lonsdale sort of realized that was a weak talking point and pivoted to talking about how illiberal the institutions have become. This goes back to a basic flaw with the right's old ideology of "Pick Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps," which is that those who really didn't have to do pick themselves up that much (grew up fortunate) don't realize how hard this is to do and yet are the ones who perpetuate this ideology this most. Opportunity is not equally distributed because you may have poor health, poor environment, and upbringing, etc. You really need to do more to equal the playing field, not in terms of outcomes but in terms of opportunity and training - it is crazy how unequally opportunity is distributed in this country. Rather than allowing Joe to pivot, JCal should've pushed back on this point. Otherwise, I agree with Joe on most of his points.
14:00 The 1971 trope is pretty dumb. It has nothing to do with going off the gold standard. And I'm a super gold bull. It has everything to do with the crazy oil spike (from $3 to $40) that caused inflation to percolate throughout the global economy and caused so much political turmoil and economic misery. Abandoning the gold standard was just a consequence, not the cause. Imagine oil going from $80 today to $900 in less than 8 years. Total chaos and mayhem would ensue in every statistic and metric, which is precisely what happened.
I heard the "WTF happened in 1971" question and immediately did a google search for "when did the war on drugs start". Turns out it was June 18 1971. Shocker. Equally unsurprising, prohibition completely overlooked as a cause.
JCal has an important voice in the group. I tend to agree with Joe's exact points when he got specific, but his presentation feeds the same thing he's complaining about. The theme seemed to be that the left demonizes opposing ideas (which they are very guilty of) while the vibe of the whole presentation was demonizing them right back, rather than talking about specific points. I think that if we disagree with others (even strongly), the only way to bring their opinions closer to yours is to show that you respect where they're coming from, despite the detailed disagreements.
Amen father God bless the college with a class that can research every state from the beginning of choice to where we're at today... Father God bless the education from the bottom up....
Acknowledging problems and attempting to correct course always creates tension between those with advantage and those without....and it is also easy to take measures that don't actually address the issues which is not always transparent in the moment. So you are always dealing with a big stew of emotion that can lead to bad faith amongst participants.
Debate is adversarial and has been shown to not be far from the best way to problem solve. Since 1950, the concept of analytical truth (logical truth in the wider sense) has been subjected to sharp criticism, especially by Quine (see wiki) The trouble with these guys is they are talking about being open, but really do not have a clue.
For Reference: one of the notions in Marxism is that the family unit is a capitalist exploitation of children by their parents. A quote from the communist manifesto: "Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution. The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty." At least two of the three co founders of the BLM organization are publicly self avowed marxists. The platform seems consistent with that ideology in respect to their stance on the nuclear family. "We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable." As found on the politifact article about BLM vs marxism www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/ I hope that that clears it up.
The issue is that all the policies that these guys promote (say school competition, prison reform, etc) always harms some group of people that have THEIR livelihood dependent on the grift but they haven't made it yet. On the other hand, the "financialization" of the economy or the "globalization of tech" that was poor policy for much of society appeared to be fine while these folks were making it enough to be successful. In other words, these guys are only arguing about polices that don't affect them AND when they've achieved exit velocity from THEIR grift. As an aside, I don't disagree with much of what Joe says, but it's hard to hear his "irritations" with "other people not stepping up". Well yeah Joe, they didn't make billions off of their biased-in-their-favor-policy grift yet.
Hard to say. Take homeless drug use. The Europeans have been successful with a carrot & stick approach. Mandatory treatment OR go to prison. The original US approach was go to prison. The new US approach is give them a home (or tent). Neither US version was successful. The new US housing first approach is still a failure even if the European alternative directly benefits the prison grift.
Expand opportunities to as many people as possible from the highest to the least among us. Equality of opportunity not equality of outcomes not everyone will fit inside just one mold.
Sort of a mini Peter Thiel. Also it feels like JCal either adopted a mild southern accent for this episode, has something in his mouth he's stored, or has mumps.
Also, friedberg looks like an old slight grandma, and I mean that endearingly. He even does that thing grandmas do with their mouth when they have no teeth. I miss my grandma.
Best way for the state to incentivise upskilling of its citizens is to remove the debt when someone graduates and pay those who qualify to do PhD and other post graduate courses. Right now, education is a trap because it's monetised privately hence the system is failing.
Dunno, how would the group feel if educators were given the platform to discuss ways to change the financial system to benefit the greater numbers in society? Your skill set and success doesn’t mean you understand the complexities of the subject matter. Education is a complex subject with many parameters that touch on society as a whole. I hear your frustrations and “simple” solutions as if they’d never been addressed before. They have and the problems are greater than that and being addressed by the education experts around the country. Maybe a solution would be to talk with them rather than act as if you have the answers.
Outside perspective from the other side of the Atlantic....Just because 66% are working class and 33% professional class doesn’t necessarily mean that all 66% are going to vote in the same way (likewise all 33%). Also, what is the split working vs prof classes in the populous state like CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, NJ, IL, OH etc? Is it possible at a federal political level that with the Senate being 2 senators per state regardless of population that more effective power per voter could be in the hands of folks that lean very much working class. This would tilt that power dynamic at that level. Does that tilt then flow down into intra state offices for things like education?? I can't understand why you guys really only have 2 parties. Why has a proper 3rd party not sprung up or was there one previously???
As long WHITE Inkognito Jews gain from Identity politiks, its good ;) Its been like a pyramid scam for sionists too long :( Why are Amrikans letting Jewish monopoly own the Narrative? When other groups use Identity politiks all Israely-Amerikans get Furious
Nauseating to listen to a Stanford grad and wealthy VC complaining about coastal elites. If he has all the answers to improve the education system and homelessness, let him put his money where his mouth is.
This was such a shitty argument he laid out. Sounds like he just wanted to rant about an issue rather than discuss how his solution is the better deal during his monologue. Also, presentation skills was also trash. The 'All In Summit' was definitely trying to push an agenda here. Should of just keep Glenn and Matt on throughout.
Oh geez we got Thiel Jr. Here talking about free speech and thought but only seems like he has issues with one side. How odd!🤦🏼♂️ Can't get enough of these egotistical rich libertarians thinking they know what's best for society. Get over yourself.
Crazy how this Joe guy talks about not demonizing the other side while he’s doing the same thing in the same breath lol. What a joke. I don’t think he’s evil or causing people to die, I just think he’s wrong and maybe even ignorantly one sided in his own topic of discussion.
The money these guys have hoarded has been acquired through exploitation, ie the difference between the money they make from an employee and what they pay them. And playing the markets they have privileged access to. They are never going to solve any problems as they are the problem.
Could have been a good topic, but this speaker gave a diatribe of qualitative information with no facts. Guy has an inferiority complex and ironically gets easily offended about people getting offended. Extremely poorly executed and convinced me of nothing
This anti-wokeness rhetorics is becoming tiring, and only for intellectually leazy debaters. Talking about virtue signaling. Give me a well-formed argument, and I'll listen to what you have to say. I stopped watching this after 7 minutes (first time I didn't finish an All-in video.)
Sacks drunk on the stage was just the icing on the cake😂😂
Drunk Sacks is hilarious 🤣🤣
4 days with jcal
This was a really good episode, this kind of stuff needs to be talked about more. Everyone sees what's going on. Nobody likes it but doing nothing about it. This ideology of hating your country needs to stop
100%
I thought it sucked. I recently graduated from a top US institution. Did not experience any censorship and did not any see censorship or illiberalism.
Woke panic is just a way for conservatives to be victims and pretend they are being persecuted as a power play. Everything conservatives do is a power play.
@@ReedoAce love?
"There is no passion for the truth". Such a great point! Really liked this talk! The speaker did a great job articulating his points and saying the things many people are afraid of.
Jordan Peterson said it best: "In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive". We've become so soft now that it's preventing us as a society to actually think critically out of fear of offending someone.
Stupid people with no independent thinking take quotes like this to mean "be an a-hole, it's edgy and shows you are a part of the intellectual dark web".
No Timmy, calm down.
I personally don’t think people care about offending anyone. It’s what happens to them after the wrong person/group is offended
I really enjoyed this episode!
Sionist PR
Plz more men and women like this in our country. Solid content Joe
short and sweet and to the point. amazing content
Speaker makes good points
Great episode. Joe Lonsdale speaks common sense and it's refreshing.
I have 3 degrees at all levels (bs, MBA, doctorate) in stem and business. Trust me, our education system needs work. But I also make a shit load of money and have boundless opportunity.
We need change and reform but there is strength in education if you get the right degrees.
you mean you aren't a phd in gender studies
In a high school drop out who would go home and read. I’m poor and my life is ruined..
The system is definitely messed up, but it’s better to just get lucky AND DO IT.
Love Joe Lonsdale great guest!
Joe Lonsdale talking style hurts my head. His thoughts are definitely interesting but talking fast without punctuations, pauses is just exhausting to listen.
Even inebriated Sacks is brilliant
Excelent discussion , Keep up the good work.
When he suggests school choice for just the poor, I nodded my head in agreement. Then I realized this is just another way that the middle class is left out of the convo. There are supports of all kinds for those of low SES & the wealthy don’t need help. The middle class are hurting and no one seems to notice
It seems like a rehash of the same situation we get for financing college. The wealthy pay out of pocket, the poor get need based scholarships, and the middle class is stuck holding the bag with high 5 figure or 6 figure student loans.
When I go to Unite Eastern Africa, I'mma have to sit down with Joe. I think a lot of us here think a like, and I'm more optimistic on our ability to change. But still wary of the parameters we are currently under, ie will revolutionary ideas take over the east or the west first.
Wow awesome stuff man I hope that guys success with his college
Awesome explanation David!!!
The leadership vacuum is staggering. We have a lot of people in positions of power and authority who act like they are afraid. I like the 'intellectual humility' point.
I'm a big fan of Lonsdale.
"That's where the censorship comes from. They want the power to end the debate because they're not going to always win the debate." Well said.
Super important.
Regarding our leaders and politicians there is no incentive for change. It’s more profitable for our politicians to sell out their own country than to help it grow. Both political parties are corrupt.
Great thoughts. I agree with the notion colleges producing individuals who have marxist ideology. In many forms. I feel a cure for this would be push these institutions for higher learning to have more opposing thoughts/philosophy. If you only ever heard from Karl your mindset of the world is shaped through karl now. And any other dogmas attached. If the higher institutions had more open debates only the higher truths would stand. And the falsehoods would ....go to the way side as they are torn apart through intellectual open debate. Yes many will be offended. Maybe they need to be.
Chamath comes across classy as usual
college is only worth it for medical professionals, lawyers, engineers. Too expensive, outdated curriculum, and much better value in working for/on a startup
Even as a software engineer my cs degree is pretty much useless. Learn tech that’s outdated and all the bloat of Gen Eds, providing very little value.
None of these Guy's are Black Don't Live in Black Community🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, But they sure can tell you about it...🤣🤣🤣🤣.
5 min in and I like wow, this going to be good.
Whew!, my man you are a real one. If yall boys can get the ball rolling on shifting the overton window such that this can be addressed. Sheeeesh!!
Very interesting talk....alot to think about here.
sacks nailed it at the end
Good points. It was interesting when JCal made the point about having greater empathy for those less fortunate, and then Joe Lonsdale sort of realized that was a weak talking point and pivoted to talking about how illiberal the institutions have become. This goes back to a basic flaw with the right's old ideology of "Pick Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps," which is that those who really didn't have to do pick themselves up that much (grew up fortunate) don't realize how hard this is to do and yet are the ones who perpetuate this ideology this most. Opportunity is not equally distributed because you may have poor health, poor environment, and upbringing, etc. You really need to do more to equal the playing field, not in terms of outcomes but in terms of opportunity and training - it is crazy how unequally opportunity is distributed in this country. Rather than allowing Joe to pivot, JCal should've pushed back on this point. Otherwise, I agree with Joe on most of his points.
Despite Sack’s last comment,…You Go Joe, and Much Good Luck!
Jcal brought out his mafia voice
14:00 The 1971 trope is pretty dumb. It has nothing to do with going off the gold standard. And I'm a super gold bull. It has everything to do with the crazy oil spike (from $3 to $40) that caused inflation to percolate throughout the global economy and caused so much political turmoil and economic misery. Abandoning the gold standard was just a consequence, not the cause. Imagine oil going from $80 today to $900 in less than 8 years. Total chaos and mayhem would ensue in every statistic and metric, which is precisely what happened.
A lot of good could be done by banning Diversity Equity and Inclusion statements in any organization that accepts federal funds
very interesting!
I heard the "WTF happened in 1971" question and immediately did a google search for "when did the war on drugs start". Turns out it was June 18 1971. Shocker. Equally unsurprising, prohibition completely overlooked as a cause.
amazing talk
Total waste of time, just repeating the same 2-3 cancel culture points again and again
JCal has an important voice in the group. I tend to agree with Joe's exact points when he got specific, but his presentation feeds the same thing he's complaining about. The theme seemed to be that the left demonizes opposing ideas (which they are very guilty of) while the vibe of the whole presentation was demonizing them right back, rather than talking about specific points.
I think that if we disagree with others (even strongly), the only way to bring their opinions closer to yours is to show that you respect where they're coming from, despite the detailed disagreements.
EXACTLY! I was so shocked at the hypocrisy. That was incredibly ignorant of him.
Amen father God bless the college with a class that can research every state from the beginning of choice to where we're at today... Father God bless the education from the bottom up....
Acknowledging problems and attempting to correct course always creates tension between those with advantage and those without....and it is also easy to take measures that don't actually address the issues which is not always transparent in the moment. So you are always dealing with a big stew of emotion that can lead to bad faith amongst participants.
Debate is adversarial and has been shown to not be far from the best way to problem solve. Since 1950, the concept of analytical truth (logical truth in the wider sense) has been subjected to sharp criticism, especially by Quine (see wiki)
The trouble with these guys is they are talking about being open, but really do not have a clue.
I love this.... Father God father God align the idea with The debaters and pass it on to the accomplishers that will be able to
i dont understand? is BLM against strong families? what is that . what is strong family? someone pls explain?
For Reference: one of the notions in Marxism is that the family unit is a capitalist exploitation of children by their parents.
A quote from the communist manifesto:
"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of
the Communists.
On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private
gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this
state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians,
and in public prostitution.
The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both
will vanish with the vanishing of capital.
Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime
we plead guilty."
At least two of the three co founders of the BLM organization are publicly self avowed marxists.
The platform seems consistent with that ideology in respect to their stance on the nuclear family.
"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable."
As found on the politifact article about BLM vs marxism www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/
I hope that that clears it up.
The issue is that all the policies that these guys promote (say school competition, prison reform, etc) always harms some group of people that have THEIR livelihood dependent on the grift but they haven't made it yet. On the other hand, the "financialization" of the economy or the "globalization of tech" that was poor policy for much of society appeared to be fine while these folks were making it enough to be successful.
In other words, these guys are only arguing about polices that don't affect them AND when they've achieved exit velocity from THEIR grift. As an aside, I don't disagree with much of what Joe says, but it's hard to hear his "irritations" with "other people not stepping up". Well yeah Joe, they didn't make billions off of their biased-in-their-favor-policy grift yet.
Hard to say. Take homeless drug use. The Europeans have been successful with a carrot & stick approach. Mandatory treatment OR go to prison. The original US approach was go to prison. The new US approach is give them a home (or tent). Neither US version was successful. The new US housing first approach is still a failure even if the European alternative directly benefits the prison grift.
perhaps look up what grift means before criticising
@@gazlives I did, and oddly, it's made the point even clearer. Perhaps you should?
As a Texan, we do not claim Austin. They are just Cali runaways.
Where is the Palmer Lucky skit?
Low income housing --- sadly just a scam for builders & politicians. (very profitable)
Can some one translate the first 10 minutes 😅
Expand opportunities to as many people as possible from the highest to the least among us. Equality of opportunity not equality of outcomes not everyone will fit inside just one mold.
Sort of a mini Peter Thiel. Also it feels like JCal either adopted a mild southern accent for this episode, has something in his mouth he's stored, or has mumps.
Also, friedberg looks like an old slight grandma, and I mean that endearingly. He even does that thing grandmas do with their mouth when they have no teeth. I miss my grandma.
He's so entirely virtuous that it materializes into mumps.
Palantir
Best way for the state to incentivise upskilling of its citizens is to remove the debt when someone graduates and pay those who qualify to do PhD and other post graduate courses. Right now, education is a trap because it's monetised privately hence the system is failing.
We already have academic scholarships don’t we?
@@tteot1wph Does everyone who graduates with a PhD have a scholarship?
PhDs in STEM are paid (max 50k) and are on scholarship
You know the state has nothing. It has to take from its citizens by force and give to others. You don’t need gov to upskill.
That guy talked like for 25 minutes and the guy at the end WOW my bubble in 3 minutes!
Nice job working that Palmer Lucky tease! Jeez
Lol, jcal has that Obama tone
😂😂 sacks!!
This podcast was too short
Dunno, how would the group feel if educators were given the platform to discuss ways to change the financial system to benefit the greater numbers in society? Your skill set and success doesn’t mean you understand the complexities of the subject matter. Education is a complex subject with many parameters that touch on society as a whole. I hear your frustrations and “simple” solutions as if they’d never been addressed before. They have and the problems are greater than that and being addressed by the education experts around the country. Maybe a solution would be to talk with them rather than act as if you have the answers.
Gangsta!
Outside perspective from the other side of the Atlantic....Just because 66% are working class and 33% professional class doesn’t necessarily mean that all 66% are going to vote in the same way (likewise all 33%). Also, what is the split working vs prof classes in the populous state like CA, TX, FL, NY, PA, NJ, IL, OH etc? Is it possible at a federal political level that with the Senate being 2 senators per state regardless of population that more effective power per voter could be in the hands of folks that lean very much working class. This would tilt that power dynamic at that level. Does that tilt then flow down into intra state offices for things like education??
I can't understand why you guys really only have 2 parties. Why has a proper 3rd party not sprung up or was there one previously???
the elits says sacks, like he was not part of it.
As long WHITE Inkognito Jews gain from Identity politiks, its good ;) Its been like a pyramid scam for sionists too long :( Why are Amrikans letting Jewish monopoly own the Narrative? When other groups use Identity politiks all Israely-Amerikans get Furious
I wondering if all these guys still have college as a requirement for job applications
Nauseating to listen to a Stanford grad and wealthy VC complaining about coastal elites. If he has all the answers to improve the education system and homelessness, let him put his money where his mouth is.
4th!
Nick
This was such a shitty argument he laid out. Sounds like he just wanted to rant about an issue rather than discuss how his solution is the better deal during his monologue. Also, presentation skills was also trash. The 'All In Summit' was definitely trying to push an agenda here. Should of just keep Glenn and Matt on throughout.
This guy talks so fast he sounds like an auctioneer
Oh geez we got Thiel Jr. Here talking about free speech and thought but only seems like he has issues with one side.
How odd!🤦🏼♂️
Can't get enough of these egotistical rich libertarians thinking they know what's best for society.
Get over yourself.
Crazy how this Joe guy talks about not demonizing the other side while he’s doing the same thing in the same breath lol. What a joke. I don’t think he’s evil or causing people to die, I just think he’s wrong and maybe even ignorantly one sided in his own topic of discussion.
This guy says a lot of good stuff but he has the shiftiest most untrustworthy body language I have seen in a while.
The money these guys have hoarded has been acquired through exploitation, ie the difference between the money they make from an employee and what they pay them. And playing the markets they have privileged access to. They are never going to solve any problems as they are the problem.
The money isn't made from the employee its made from the customer
So all this surface-level complaining about general wokeness is from the University of Austin guy? LOL
Could have been a good topic, but this speaker gave a diatribe of qualitative information with no facts. Guy has an inferiority complex and ironically gets easily offended about people getting offended. Extremely poorly executed and convinced me of nothing
This dude is really pushing the whole culture war thing lol, I really just dont think its that serious
this podcast is getting watered down by this new format..don't fix something that isn't broken
This anti-wokeness rhetorics is becoming tiring, and only for intellectually leazy debaters. Talking about virtue signaling. Give me a well-formed argument, and I'll listen to what you have to say. I stopped watching this after 7 minutes (first time I didn't finish an All-in video.)