They should be defunded. All bribe money should be stopped, and they should have to pay it back. Let all the media earn their crust, or go under. We'd be better off without this pack of liars and traitors anyway.
You just need to read the comments about Matty on The Platform by Sean Plunket.Matty ,when you read the comments about you I would leave the country.They are not flattering at all.
The coalition government seem to have their own brand of questionable viewpoints. However, Winstone has gone up in my opinion- slightly. He would have gone even further up if he had called for a ceasefire. Good for Helen, she is clear and staunch
Our country needs to be rebuilt . Aunty Helen put a lot of our money into the United Nations .our country has gone down hill . New party in now . Auntie ‼️ they were voted in by the people , the people that matter .
I had forgotten how contemptuous they are. We are blessed that they are no longer thrust on the watching public except when tv1 want to slam the new government.
@@AnthonyFlack how interesting. You are i guess inured to their delivery. It was often there when they were PM. Maybe I am a little sensitive these days with a government of change to being lectured by the old school teacher in their patronising way. I am gratified that they now are outside the tent. I am sure Winston will consider their comment for what it is. He will be a breath of fresh air as Foreign minister after the recently replaced attempt.
@@AnthonyFlack I observe that "rogermartin" responded to you with absolutely zero content.. and yeah their OP was baffling. I strongly suspect these forums are being bombarded with manufactured bad faith nonsense. I have no idea if they are chatGPT webbots, paid trolls or whatever though. If they are actual NZers, they are probably those Destiny Church nutbars, or the antivaxxers that seem to spend more time on US MAGA forums than in NZ.
What do you mean? I learned from no less an authority than Jenna Lynch that Winston Peters "outlandishly and incorrectly claimed the Government had bribed the media through the public interest journalism fund." It can't be true if it's outlandish and Winston Peters merely represents electors while Jenna represents the whole system!
she needs to mind her own business stay out of it Where is the evidence from Hamas that you see and quote about deathsStop giving this woman any air time Where were you calling for the russsians to stop in Ukraine. ?Most people dont care about your view!!
Certainly not from ex Prime Ministers or bias news readers. Let Israel deal with their own war as they see fit , it’s very interesting to me that their are several wars going on but it’s this war they wish to stick their noses into I wonder why is it because the Israelis are mostly Jewish I certainly hope not.
Exactly, who dose Hellen Clarke think she is no one listens to her anymore, and as for her mate Jacinda between the to of them they have set NZ back decades.
Well, the Middle East stopped killing each other during the Foreshore and Seabed Hikois, the first time that ever happened, and also honour and trust the ANZACS, from their fighting in two world wars. Do not forget, Winston was Foerign Minister, and was the first Western figure asked to meet them all at one meeting with every Middle Eastern nation during Ardrn's first term. So you tell me if they care or not. By all that I have typed, they do.
And to stop blaming Israel for being attacked by hamas, and to stop allowing nations with appalling human rights records or appalling women's rights records, to chair their ministries that are meant to deal with these issues.
The UN - that pack of United Ninnies is made up mostly of nations that treat women like dirt and have appalling human rights records. They don't care about war in other nations - only if Israel is at war - because they love to blame Israel - even when the war was started by others.
How about reporting the Truth! The Nation of Israel is under attack by the State of Israel! Power in high places are not for you but against you! How come Israel was attacked unawares and they are the most vigilant fighters in the world! Maybe traitors within???????
Key is still lurking behind the scenes,some can never rest in Peace! Evil stimulates their ego,and anyone that is a SIR or LADY makes no difference of who and what they really are,in the frontline or behind the scenes! Evil never sleeps!
Why Helen condemns Winston when she should explain why Israel has not acted on her earlier calls for immediate ceasefire? Can Helen say she got her job in UN was reward by UN when Netanyahu said NZ has declared war on Israel for NZ has betrayed Israel? Why then does it matter how much Winston says how that will make any difference?
Lets have the Russia perspective Russian signed an agreement with the Nazis in 1939 to get half of Poland and enslave the Poles (Hitler got the other half ) if they invaded together. Russia deported to the far East 95 % of the original Crimean inhabitants. Russia signed a peace treaty with Chechnya and 2 years later bombed their cities to rubble and installed a Kremlin puppet dictator. Russia speaking areas of Ukraine are not filled with ethnic Russians but Ukrainians who were taught Russia as a first language in their local schools, when it was he Soviet Union There's much much more but that will do for now.
Helen Clark signed a free trade agreement with China... and is saying that Winnie should have gone harder on condemning human rights abuse in Israel. I think that Winston said what could be said. Did Helen Cark condemn the human rights abuses in China during her time? She got a free trade agreement with China but not the USA...
Human rights abuses in China is US propaganda. The world's largest open-air concentration camp in Gaza has been in existence since 1948 when the new state of Israel was created and hundreds-of -thousands of Palestinians were brutally forced from their homes and lands. Maybe you're too young to remember the Naqba. If you're concerned enough to comment on the current situation, maybe you should read some history about it; starting with the Balfour Declaration (1917).
@@grantallardit's not US propaganda. What about the treatment of the Uyghur people? You think that's not human rights abuses? Calling Gaza an open air prison at the hands of Israel is nothing but leftist claptrap.
China was the right move. What? Would you have created a fta with America and Israel? Fat chance of that ever happening considering their atrocities in the Gaza war
For some reason, the media, and Ms Clark, seem to think we care about her opinion. We don't. We got rid of her, and what a relief that was. If we never heard from her again - we'd be fine.
When will Helen Clark disappear? Undermining Hipkins. Overlooked for the UN Secretary General job in 2016 because of her Seabed and Foreshore 2004 swindle of 25000 acres of Māori land! Go away Helen we kicked you out 15 years ago! Ms Irrelevance.
Loving the fact new zealand has finally got some leaders that aren't being bullied into conforming and calling the media out is gold.... Helen needs to go focus on her actual job 😂... actually she should retire 🎉
Delusion reigns in your world. Do some research to see how our little country often punches above its weight - usually under Labour governments: No to genetically modified foods Nuclear-free New Zealand Smoke-free New Zealand and many more.
Perhaps Winston is right, he is anti nonsense. Helen Clark said "Immediate ceasefire". US just vetoed UN today, no cease fire until Hamas is destroyed, incapable of future terrorism which in reality will be good for the Middle East/Gaza in the future.
If the US couldn't destroy ISIS or AlQuida, or Boko Haram , how would these pumped up Israeli boy and girl soldiers have any chance of beating Hamas!? They bombed Germany to rubble in WW2 but we still have loads of neo Nazis running around the place. The war industry doesn't actually want peace anyway, they are making far too much money selling weapons and bullets. It has always been that way. Also, we get it pumped into our TV screens these days so we can all sit down with our beer and pop corn and cheer on our team, just like a footy match. The Hunger Games has become a reality! What sick fucks we have all become.
One of the problems with the situation today is an overload of information and too many sideline armchair experts giving opinions. Helen Clarke is just another noise in the cacophony of opinions. For better or worse we should give the new government a chance.
Egypt, Syria and Jordan do not want a Palestine State as a neighbour, people can go there and protest about that fact. Instead you are all whining here.
Personally I'm relieved that Winston has asked for a ceasefire, given all the New Zealanders, including some of his supporters, who have hysterics at the thought.
Just leave Israel alone Peter. You have no damn business about their problem. I support zionists 100%. Your job Peter to bring our country back not poke your nose to someone else buseness. Go Israel! God be with you just like bible days.
So, the solution I from HC hear is to have a ceasefire and peace negotiations. Ok great. Has this been tried before (and now)? Has it worked? If not, why not? And what will happen this time to make things different from the other times? Is it in fact what each of the countries both want? Do they (Hamas and Israel) both jointly want peace? It seems be a cycle that a lot of time, money and effort has gone into internationally over decades, yet we have history on repeat. We can literally go back to the same issue when the last big conflict and reuse all this rhetoric. Nothing has changed. So, is it really the way forward, to do what has clearly not worked before, yet again? Should we try a new approach? And what would that be exactly?
Is silly breakfast telly talking heads really think that what Helen says or Winston says is going to make the conflict stop? If you do think that, youre very, very niaeve
Absolute Power by Ian Wishart, A book about Clarks time in office. It'll make your teeth curl, and she didn't sue which is telling. It will give some idea about the character of this woman.
Yes and who shut down the police investigation in to the Otago pedophiles ring? She did along with her labour mates .Protecting the politicians, cops judges etc.ian wrote a great piece on that as well
WIinston selected Ardern over the more popular, most votes English. As for the other two, no, different circumstances. Ironic he now is in govt with the Nats, and fab too..❤❤❤😂😂😂. Justice restored.
Yeah he set Labour up when he went with them then they shat on him 2nd election ... and NZ fake media did a hit big time this time so he's gonna expose those commie scum ... Labour gave media $347m not $55m ... to attack conservatives and Trump supporters worldwide 🌐
I see this as a great opportunity for Luxon. I think he's just waiting on international advice form either the US or the UK and therefore is shit scared to jump the gun incase they smack his hands and decide to snubb him in the future. But I believe he should totally blitz them anyway, go ahead and set the initiative for us here as KIwis and lead by his example. At the moment I wouldn't follow him into war, he's not any where near battle hardened or at least ready to handle the big stuff yet, and therefore the main reason why Winston is in there.
I can't believe what I heard in this segment. I am going to do a full breakdown so everyone's knows how full of it Helen is. But before I go point by point I must mention that the opposing view was not even presented (it never is these days). Also I must mention that the fundamental nature of armed conflict is unchanged over the millennia. That is to say that... “Will is the central idea in any conflict. Let us postulate: to win any conflict, an opponent successfully imposes his will on an opponent.” So lets be clear, this century alone tens of thousands of rockets have been fired at Israel. These rockets were carrying warheads not flowers. This is due to the fact that Hamas has made no secret of their desire to IMPOSE THEIR WILL ON ISRAEL. In other words Israel has been on the receiving end for decades. Now every nation has a right and a responsibility to keep their citizens safe, especially from terrorism. To this ends Israel pulled out of Gaza around 2005. They have been rewarded for their commitment to the two state solution and or peace by being constantly attacked. This situation has escalated to the point where one or the other of these sides IS going to impose its will on the other. I must be clear, if one side doesn't impose its will then this conflict will go on forever. An indisputable fact which Helen could never understand. Now that I have introduced a few truth bombs into the discussion lets go over Helens talking points one by one. I will mention approx. times so you can refer to her comments. 37 sec -Helen mentions that Hamas must be condemned. Ok, if Hamas is responsible for unlawful terrorist aggression at a grand scale this is a good start. However it is pointless to condemn someone for anything if you don't' follow up with a solution. Does she not realise that if Israel stops then these attacks by Hamas against Israel will just start again. It is deeply ironic that a left wing politician is taking a line that endorses perpetual war in Israel. Great contradiction Helen and thank you for having the foresight of an ant, brilliant. 1min 20 sec - Helen mentions the level of destruction. Lets be clear, during this conflict the media hasn't shown a single incident of a Israeli soldier intentionally targeting a civilian. So we can be clear that the reason there is so much destruction is because Hamas is FIGHTING, Helen makes out like Israel is invading Amish country with a population armed with pitchforks. The destruction is solely an indicator of Hamas resistance and because Hamas is responsible for causing this operation... they should get full blame for both edges of the sword. Cause and effect. 1 min 14 sec - Helen mentions civilians being "herded in" this is simply Israel telling civilians to go to safe areas, Helen needs to pick one argument, she can either accuse Israel of not trying to prevent civilians casualties or she can acknowledge their tremendous efforts to get civilians to safety. What she does here is appalling, she is actually condemning Israel's efforts to keep civilians safe and she is putting a tremendous spin on that to make them look bad for doing the right thing. 1 min 53 sec - Helen mentions "Two wrongs don't make a right", Lets be clear, when Hamas attacks Israel the overwhelming majority of their attacks are aimed at civilians, which is wrong. So she got the first part right. However there is virtually no evidence of Israel DELIBRATLY targeting civilians, if it does happen it would be very rare exceptions to the rule. So lets get real, terrorist's are evil for targeting civilians and Israel is not evil and not wrong because they are not targeting civilians. You would think someone with Helens "experience" would understand the importance of intentions as well as just actions. Any solider is doing right so long as they aim narrowly at the enemy combatant and not civilians. One of the worst things that has happened in the last few months is the distinction between targeting civilians and combatants seems to have been forgotten. Do people not realise its not just a matter of having a cause, how you conduct yourself matters. So we can conclude that what Israel is doing is not wrong, the are targeting combatants only. Her two wrongs argument reveals her ignorance and ethical failures. 3 min 30 sec - NZ might have had a reputation once for being fair and balanced. But not now, NZ is well know as an ultra woke nation, a politically correct mess, our opinion is about as valid as Trudeaus, hopefully the new government can restore our reputation, they will do so by not sticking their nose in this one. 7 min - Helen mentions what does Israel want, she doesn't seem to even be aware of how hard Israel has worked for peace, and the concessions they have been willing to make. She is of course asking the wrong question. The question is how can Israel not get attacked constantly? I have never heard a plausible answer other than what they are doing right now... imposing their will before the terrorists impose theirs (again). Now she also mentions the two state solution, at this point Helen needs to put on a dunce hat. Israel pulled out of Gaza around 2005 to make this work. And yet they have been attacked constantly ever after. I can assure you that if Mexico fired tens of thousands of rockets into the USA that would be the end of Mexico, UNLESS they made a quick peace deal. What Israel is doing is no different that what any just country would do in response to attacks. Remove the threat and guarantee peace. To be clear Helen knows the two state failure is due to Hamas, but she is just dishonest or misleading you. Take your pick. At the end of the day you can't have peace when Hamas is completely unwilling to negotiate or compromise, just remember that in terms of the number of civilian people deliberately targeted and killed as a percentage of population that 7 October is 13 times worse for Israel than Sept 11 was for the USA. You also need to ask yourself how wars in the past that have ended with peace actually ended? Take for example London being bombed during the blitz, Germany and England are friends now, is it because England appeased Germany?, Did England compromise? Did England offer a two state solution in the U.K? The answer is no... THEY TOOK THE FIGHT TO BERLIN. Israel must take the fight to Berlin.
Hitler was from Linz, Austria, and his party was eventually funded by the likes of Henry Ford and other powerful corporates at the time. There was a massive fear of serious threat of communism/ Stalinism. So you can understand the sentiment of the time He also gained finance from property stolen from Jewish business and capital, which was based on a lie that all Jewish people were part of the communist threat. Fanaticism is such a dangerous trait, and we need to remember that there are profiteers that fan the flames of fanaticism for their own personal gains. Man, society is complicated!
NZ worries me, because many people only swallow mainstream media reports and don't look deeper. Israel was a project created by Britain to secure its influence over the Levant and Suez Canal access to oil. That project was taken over by the US after WW2. The slogan at the time was "A land for a people, for a people without a land", but most sources tell us that 750000 Palestinians were kicked off their land in the so called Nakbar. It was ethnic cleansing back then and it is ethnic cleansing in 2023. The steady influx of settlers to the West Bank and Gasa over the years since 47 has accentuated the problem, and Israel likes to 'mow the lawn' from time to time, to keep the Palestinian population at their desired level. They do that of course by bombing the cities, a practice that helps them and the US develop their new weaponry, drones and whatever else comes to mind. US supplies weapons and money to do this and is complicit in the current bombardment. The UN has finally invoked article 99 which has been vetoed by only one country, USA. The longer the US does this the more enemies it will make in the world and the closer we come to a very serious war, something that Christian Zionists in the US are praying for because they believe in the Book of Revelations and that Jesus will come and save all Christians (not Jews!). It is incredible how a very small number of people can influence such a powerful country and bring us all to the brink of Armageddon. We need an immediate ceasefire and some serious backpedalling to be done asap!
Amazing response and you stayed on subject and dismantled the argument clause by clause. In a comment above I said Clarke was being disingenuous by calling for a cease fire and a 2 state solution when as an ex PM she should know that these have failed in the past not because of israel, but because of the palestinians. You refrained from mentioning the casualties are ( allegedly) so high in Gaza because hamas uses their population as human shields. I heard a good quote the other day. "Israel protects its people with weapons Palestine protects weapons with its people."
@@anakei160 I don't think anyone know much about Hamas, except, yes, they are a terrorist group, but they were elected into power in Gaza by overwhelming majority. They did try to provide some sort of social support for people in Gaza, and I think they did want to negotiate with Israel and the West, but Israel doesn't want negotiations, the same way that the West doesn't want to parler with Russia. Looking around different websites and podcasts, the Western narrative in weakening, just like the US economy. No war, no economy in the US. Most of the world is fed up with all the destruction and threats of nuclear war . The West can't blame anyone except itself. It has been waging wars and overthrowing democratically elected government ever since the end of WW 2. The chickens might be coming home to roost soon, and I think there will be a tectonic shift in Global power quite soon. NZrs love programs like TalkBack and the 1 &3 News programs, but those stories are all coming from one source ...government! There are so many alternative News programs on the net with highly qualified, renouned and experiences figures. On the military side, there are commentators such as Col. Larry Wilkerson and Scott Ritter. On the economics side, people can listen to Jeffery Sachs, John Miersheimer or Michael Hudson. As far as journalists go Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal and Abby Martin are in the thick of the troubles and always doing research and presentation . For US legal issues, Judge Andrew Napolitano is educational. We all tend to watch local news, which is too light weight for me. They don't go into enough depth and then you are in for an advert bombardment. I think we have all gone a bit nuts!
You do realise "Hamas" is a political group made and voted in by Palestinians right?, they don't come from the country of "Hamas" they are also the people.
We own as taxpayers own TV One The new minister of broadcasting should sack the board As for Labour appointing someone who only got into Parliament on the list after winging about not getting high enough on the list after the normal party process and was kicked of radio along with John Tamahere for their radio talkback about the roast busters Can you name this person? Also the main stream media havent grasped that the fact that Parliament has changed and that they need to change too For the main stream media to continue on following liberal idealists is in my view an attack on our democratic structure No wonder newspapers etc are failing and the young are getting the news off their phones
Yes it took Labour Chris Hipkins who called for an immediate Cease Fire in Gaza whereas Chris Luxon states "Israel has a Right to Defend 😊itself" what ever Luxflake and now Winnika wants steps ...sigh
What Ms Clark is not saying is there are still terrorists in the tunnels - with or without hostages. It is a massive complex built over many years because Israel has been condemned at every effort to subdue Hamas, and go into Gaza and wipe their bases out. To condemn Israel for boldly addressing the Hamas terrorists means that terrorism is tolerated if not supported - with the result that it will be allowed to spread, as per the Hamas mandate. NZ has enough both within, and on, its own doorstep without getting involved with another country's strife. Why does NZ not support Israel doing the job in the way we have given support to Ukraine?
Quiet Helen, please retire gracefully and refrain from opinionating constantly. You are naiave to say the least if you and your associates think this is a simple fix. Here's a good suggestion, read your Bible and learn where it's all going to end up. The bibles been bang on accurate so far
This conflict is 56 years old, couldn't you have done something Mr's Clarke? ... Weird how Israel is doing the real killing while Palestinians are being blamed for their predicament 🤦♂️
@@lyellclare9365 lol. Other countries can’t find us on a map; they had no idea who she was 😂 and I think a 3 term PM kinda tells you she must’ve been pretty good
@@ethan41435 nope - a 3 term PM like her, just tells us what fools NZers were. She was responsible for an economic depression in NZ - as Labour always is. Fortunately, Ardern and Covid woke a lot of NZers up.
'What would New Zealand get by calling for a ceasefire' . We would show that we are not complicit in genocide, and if we are just going to be bystanders then we are complicit.
If we call a ceasefire - then we are complicit in the genocide of Israel - the actual nation that Gaza belongs to. Hamas will not and never have abided by a ceasefire. They don't want one. Their whole goal is to annihilate Israel. Not because Israel occupies Gaza - because they don't. They moved out of Gaza when Regan was the President. Hamas doesn't even come from Gaza. The Palestinians, who are actually from Jordan, occupy Israeli land, and hamas occupies Gaza. They took over the Palestinian government by force. They use ceasefires to regroup, and then they attack Israel again. And they don't care in the least how many of their 'own' people die. hamas started this war, the people of Palestine supported them and cheered them on - and now they must face the consequences - just as they would if they did that to any other nation.
Aunty Helen should climb down of her high horse, don some Redbands and go over and have a stern chat with the two parties at war..I'm sure they will listen..
the usual blithering from lefties who don't get it. Demanding a 'ceasefire' now is utterly one-sided: it's applying pressure to Israel to simply stop fighting - Hamas never will, they've said so. As for trying to compare the Israel/Hamas situation to that suffered by Spain with the Euskadi separatists is just nonsensical: the Basques were never interested in exterminating Spain and taking over the entire land, which is the sole objective of Hamas with regard to Israel.
This is a surprise to me Even given I met Helen - but knew here family a lot better ( I like her father wo staunch National - Geo not later but Helen has hit the nail right on the head I for once are on total aggrievance
Blah! blah! blah! Pls stop this bully on Winston, you want to scream, do scream at Elon Musk for providing communications to the Gaza region which triggered in Hamas sizing this opportunity to create more terror.
hi aunty helen i know your my mothers cousin and eldest cousin, keep in mind that uncle peter winston is awaitin some of our family to go in with some cherishables that we must get the goverened social developments to gather together for us so that we have something for you to keep. we also need our home back and that is manukau courthouse, weve been waitin 12years for this moment and it was hard holdin our positions so that we never got sent away from each other. this is a nice footage of you aunty. Im THE QUEENS youngest daughter. elizabeth irihapeti myers williams. over here they just call me jessica irihapeti rapana. you need to keep in contact with uncle sonny williams he is peter winstons. 2024 aunty ill be 31.
He's doing no such thing. He has repeatedly said that every Kiwi should be equal and be treated the same. If you have a problem with that you're either scared of losing handouts or you're just racist 🤷
Excuse me! I am a New Zealand kiwi born Pakeha who has worked for everything l own.. And who happens to like all kiwi born New Zealanders of our country. I am not rassist in any way.. Just aTrue Proud kiwi who dosn't need bs,and that's all what this is bull shit..
@@loganwright8270if it’s true you’re not racist and have the interest of every New Zealander then shouldn’t you applaud Winston for trying to promote equality for everyone?
In this case I agree with Helen Clark whole heartedly. New Zealand needs to step up and show support for the Paiestine people. If a ceasefire doesn't happen soon, there'll be no Palestinians left as the Israeli captors are stepping up their crimes against humanity.
Hamas was voted into power by 90% of the Palestinians Hamas used all the money they received to build tunnels bombs and rockets Hamas wanted and still wants the war with Israel They dress up as civilians and shoot bombs and guns at Israel soldiers and when they die Hamas claims that they are civilians Hamas can stop the war if they give up the hostages and give up but they want war and will put their civilians (children) in harm’s way to gain support from world opinion Wake up Hamas is a terror organisation that has to be stopped
Why? So hamas can mount another murderous attack. NO THANKS. We stand with Israel. Only a fool thinks that Israel is the enemy here. Only a fool is taken in by the hamas propaganda. The people of Gaza are occupying Israeli land. Time for Israel to take it back. Time for them to deal with those that constantly attack them. Do some research. Have to laugh at you people who think Israel should have a ceasefire. WHY? So hamas can regroup and attack again. They are the ones that ALWAYS break the ceasefires or the peace treaties. NOT Israel. And while you're busy interfering in Israels rights to defend herself against demons, (hey - when you start a war as hamas did - then be prepared to suffer the consequences), are you also telling the WHO and WEF to butt out of NZ business. Hypocrite.
Our country has been historically bold when it comes to speaking out about global issues. Calling for a ceasefire is 100% necessary! We also need to expel the Israeli ambassador.
Expel the ambassador to the only democracy in the Middle East, to support a terrorist organisation which is using its children as human shields. Not thinking this through are you.
I wholeheartedly agree with Helen Clark. Shame on the new coalition for not calling for a ceasefire. New Zealand should and wants to be on the right side of history. We're no better than the US and UK right now.
Why isn't Clark and her UN buddies showing the same amount of interest in the current genocide in the Sudan?
ask her!!
No money in that..
...and Yemen and Congo
Because this war has the potential to spill over to other regions and dragging the whole world in to conflict
She is a once upon a time UN representative
All the people on tv 1 breakfast show should be replaced, if they want this show to continue
I totally agree. None of them should stay
They should be defunded. All bribe money should be stopped, and they should have to pay it back. Let all the media earn their crust, or go under.
We'd be better off without this pack of liars and traitors anyway.
You just need to read the comments about Matty on The Platform by Sean Plunket.Matty ,when you read the comments about you I would leave the country.They are not flattering at all.
Absolutely.They are all woke.
Never saw TV1 critisise the prevoius Govt in such a maner as they are currently with our new coalition Govt. Appalling behavour from TV1.
Yep, comrade Willie Jackson may have done his damage and moved on but the dipsticks that he put in there are still
working for Tv1.
The coalition government seem to have their own brand of questionable viewpoints. However, Winstone has gone up in my opinion- slightly. He would have gone even further up if he had called for a ceasefire. Good for Helen, she is clear and staunch
Facts its so obvious...
Zero honeymoon allowed. Bias much?
Because this government lacks honesty, knowledge, experience and integrity
Our country needs to be rebuilt . Aunty Helen put a lot of our money into the United Nations .our country has gone down hill . New party in now . Auntie ‼️ they were voted in by the people , the people that matter .
yep, 100 % correct.
Yes for the people, by the people
She's pro un pro Gaza anti Israel!, 5:51
I had forgotten how contemptuous they are. We are blessed that they are no longer thrust on the watching public except when tv1 want to slam the new government.
Where's the contempt? Please be more specific with your objections. I'm so tired of this mindless sniping.
@@AnthonyFlack how interesting. You are i guess inured to their delivery. It was often there when they were PM. Maybe I am a little sensitive these days with a government of change to being lectured by the old school teacher in their patronising way. I am gratified that they now are outside the tent. I am sure Winston will consider their comment for what it is. He will be a breath of fresh air as Foreign minister after the recently replaced attempt.
Yes the very bribed media.
@@AnthonyFlack I observe that "rogermartin" responded to you with absolutely zero content.. and yeah their OP was baffling.
I strongly suspect these forums are being bombarded with manufactured bad faith nonsense. I have no idea if they are chatGPT webbots, paid trolls or whatever though. If they are actual NZers, they are probably those Destiny Church nutbars, or the antivaxxers that seem to spend more time on US MAGA forums than in NZ.
@@rogermartin8435 It was a massive sigh of relief when the accidental govt got booted. No Winston or Covid to save them. What a nightmare 6 years!!
Why would you trust Clark or the UN? The UN aren't squeaky clean. Clark needs to return to her knitting.
40,000 cases of cuild abuse by UN workers so far.
And that's just the ones reported.
aaah nothing here anomocity only
Plonker!
The UN is America's tool.
Here here, totally agree Clarke cant stand the fact that she is out of the lime light now, maybe she could also try some cross stich.
Yes the UN is corrupt. Trump wants to get rid of them
Is TV one still employed by the Labour Party ?
It appears so. Good comment.
Yip. The bribe fund is still relevant until 2026. Let's hope the coalition dismantle it completely.
What do you mean? I learned from no less an authority than Jenna Lynch that Winston Peters "outlandishly and incorrectly claimed the Government had bribed the media through the public interest journalism fund." It can't be true if it's outlandish and Winston Peters merely represents electors while Jenna represents the whole system!
No doubt there.Of course they are.
she needs to mind her own business stay out of it Where is the evidence from Hamas that you see and quote about deathsStop giving this woman any air time Where were you calling for the russsians to stop in Ukraine. ?Most people dont care about your view!!
And who would trust any word from Hamas terrorists
Claire 5 months ago you gave a the comment above, Its now the end of may 2024, do you still stand by what you stated, I hope not!
SACK the UN !🙃❤
GO AWAY AUNTY HELEN. Be quiet . Go back over with Cindy and stay quiet.
100 percent
Is anyone in the Middle East really listening to what lil ol NZ wants to happen
No lol. To one side we're the same as livestock and to the other side we're simply infidels to be subjugated.
Certainly not from ex Prime Ministers or bias news readers. Let Israel deal with their own war as they see fit , it’s very interesting to me that their are several wars going on but it’s this war they wish to stick their noses into I wonder why is it because the Israelis are mostly Jewish I certainly hope not.
Exactly, who dose Hellen Clarke think she is no one listens to her anymore, and as for her mate Jacinda between the to of them they have set NZ back decades.
He is good isn't he. Old school and has rescued NZ.
Well, the Middle East stopped killing each other during the Foreshore and Seabed Hikois, the first time that ever happened, and also honour and trust the ANZACS, from their fighting in two world wars.
Do not forget, Winston was Foerign Minister, and was the first Western figure asked to meet them all at one meeting with every Middle Eastern nation during Ardrn's first term.
So you tell me if they care or not. By all that I have typed, they do.
Helen, you are with the UN, tell them to cease war all together immediately.
And to stop blaming Israel for being attacked by hamas, and to stop allowing nations with appalling human rights records or appalling women's rights records, to chair their ministries that are meant to deal with these issues.
The UN - that pack of United Ninnies is made up mostly of nations that treat women like dirt and have appalling human rights records.
They don't care about war in other nations - only if Israel is at war - because they love to blame Israel - even when the war was started by others.
@christinegodinet5673, exactly, and so much more that needs to be stopped.
How about reporting the Truth! The Nation of Israel is under attack by the State of Israel! Power in high places are not for you but against you! How come Israel was attacked unawares and they are the most vigilant fighters in the world! Maybe traitors within???????
She needs to keep her nose out of it she’s not in government so go away
Exactly, Helen Clark Foundation NGO.
Maybe you should take some of your own advice. She had some very constructive comments.....unlike you.
She has no mandate from the voters though. Key and English don't comment. She had her time. Not voted in anymore.
@@BadBunnyBalleryes insisting that Israeli lose this conflict which essentially is what ceasefire amounts to is genius
Key is still lurking behind the scenes,some can never rest in Peace! Evil stimulates their ego,and anyone that is a SIR or LADY makes no difference of who and what they really are,in the frontline or behind the scenes! Evil never sleeps!
Helen needs her doctor to change her medication then get back to bed, that may cure her verbal diarrhea.
Mental issues
Why Helen condemns Winston when she should explain why Israel has not acted on her earlier calls for immediate ceasefire?
Can Helen say she got her job in UN was reward by UN when Netanyahu said NZ has declared war on Israel for NZ has betrayed Israel? Why then does it matter how much Winston says how that will make any difference?
New Zealand is not fair and balanced about the Russia and Ukraine conflict. When do we ever hear the Russian perspective in our media.
Hear hear !
Ukraine is Russia 🇷🇺
Lets have the Russia perspective
Russian signed an agreement with the Nazis in 1939 to get half of Poland and enslave the Poles (Hitler got the other half ) if they invaded together.
Russia deported to the far East 95 % of the original Crimean inhabitants.
Russia signed a peace treaty with Chechnya and 2 years later bombed their cities to rubble and installed a Kremlin puppet dictator.
Russia speaking areas of Ukraine are not filled with ethnic Russians but Ukrainians who were taught Russia as a first language in their local schools, when it was he Soviet Union
There's much much more but that will do for now.
Well said!
When is Putin to be believed
Never
Helen Clark signed a free trade agreement with China... and is saying that Winnie should have gone harder on condemning human rights abuse in Israel. I think that Winston said what could be said. Did Helen Cark condemn the human rights abuses in China during her time? She got a free trade agreement with China but not the USA...
Human rights abuses in China is US propaganda.
The world's largest open-air concentration camp in Gaza has been in existence since 1948 when the new state of Israel was created and hundreds-of -thousands of Palestinians were brutally forced from their homes and lands. Maybe you're too young to remember the Naqba.
If you're concerned enough to comment on the current situation, maybe you should read some history about it; starting with the Balfour Declaration (1917).
@@grantallard nah, hamas runs gaza like an open prison.
100 % correct , because she wanted their support to get the cushy job in the UN that she had always wanted.
@@grantallardit's not US propaganda. What about the treatment of the Uyghur people? You think that's not human rights abuses? Calling Gaza an open air prison at the hands of Israel is nothing but leftist claptrap.
China was the right move. What? Would you have created a fta with America and Israel? Fat chance of that ever happening considering their atrocities in the Gaza war
Who dug this old fossil up for an inaccurate opinion of something that is missing the whole point of what started this horror.
For some reason, the media, and Ms Clark, seem to think we care about her opinion. We don't. We got rid of her, and what a relief that was. If we never heard from her again - we'd be fine.
Helen Clark has destroyed enough in her own country
When will Helen Clark disappear? Undermining Hipkins. Overlooked for the UN Secretary General job in 2016 because of her Seabed and Foreshore 2004 swindle of 25000 acres of Māori land! Go away Helen we kicked you out 15 years ago! Ms Irrelevance.
Loving the fact new zealand has finally got some leaders that aren't being bullied into conforming and calling the media out is gold.... Helen needs to go focus on her actual job 😂... actually she should retire 🎉
Delusion reigns in your world.
Do some research to see how our little country often punches above its weight - usually under Labour governments:
No to genetically modified foods
Nuclear-free New Zealand
Smoke-free New Zealand
and many more.
Sad Old Marxist communist should migrate to Russia.
Perhaps Winston is right, he is anti nonsense. Helen Clark said "Immediate ceasefire". US just vetoed UN today, no cease fire until Hamas is destroyed, incapable of future terrorism which in reality will be good for the Middle East/Gaza in the future.
If the US couldn't destroy ISIS or AlQuida, or Boko Haram , how would these pumped up Israeli boy and girl soldiers have any chance of beating Hamas!? They bombed Germany to rubble in WW2 but we still have loads of neo Nazis running around the place. The war industry doesn't actually want peace anyway, they are making far too much money selling weapons and bullets. It has always been that way. Also, we get it pumped into our TV screens these days so we can all sit down with our beer and pop corn and cheer on our team, just like a footy match. The Hunger Games has become a reality! What sick fucks we have all become.
You know and i know that the 2 state solution is dead, finished, gone.
GO AND DO SOME REAL WORK CLARK AND LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
Helen should retire.
One of the problems with the situation today is an overload of information and too many sideline armchair experts giving opinions. Helen Clarke is just another noise in the cacophony of opinions. For better or worse we should give the new government a chance.
NEVER A TRUER WORD SPOKEN
Who cares what this woman thinks?
who cares what clark think..
Agreed. She is a commie
Only the media and Clark. And maybe Ardern. Those that none of us give a jot about.
Who is Helen, now?😂
I can't stand sanctimonious Clark. Horrible "I am all wise" socialist.
No Justice No Peace 🇮🇱
Egypt, Syria and Jordan do not want a Palestine State as a neighbour, people can go there and protest about that fact.
Instead you are all whining here.
Another dinosaur rolled out to suit a narrative attacking the new government, surprise, surprise
Harold Clark is meddling again.💣💣💣piss off Harald
Personally I'm relieved that Winston has asked for a ceasefire, given all the New Zealanders, including some of his supporters, who have hysterics at the thought.
Clark needs to crawl away and virtue signal somewhere else.. nz media biased to the max..
Just leave Israel alone Peter. You have no damn business about their problem. I support zionists 100%. Your job Peter to bring our country back not poke your nose to someone else buseness. Go Israel! God be with you just like bible days.
who is Helan Clark? Oh, former prime minister of NZ living in her UN ivory tower.
Nothing NZ will say , can change this situation! Why keep on criticising Winston Peters it’s , not a good look for your character , ,
As a New Zealander who has lived in israel and worked in other countries with Holocaust survivors I am disgusted at my country's response to this.
So, the solution I from HC hear is to have a ceasefire and peace negotiations. Ok great. Has this been tried before (and now)? Has it worked? If not, why not? And what will happen this time to make things different from the other times? Is it in fact what each of the countries both want? Do they (Hamas and Israel) both jointly want peace? It seems be a cycle that a lot of time, money and effort has gone into internationally over decades, yet we have history on repeat. We can literally go back to the same issue when the last big conflict and reuse all this rhetoric. Nothing has changed. So, is it really the way forward, to do what has clearly not worked before, yet again? Should we try a new approach? And what would that be exactly?
Is silly breakfast telly talking heads really think that what Helen says or Winston says is going to make the conflict stop? If you do think that, youre very, very niaeve
Well they are stupid. They actually think we give a toss about what they are saying.
No ceasefire required. IDF have a job to do so the UN must shut up.
Unless you know what it's like to live under a state of constant aggression, you should shut up.
Ah. You're one of those.
@grantallard yup, they got a stupid prize for their stupid game.
Absolute Power by Ian Wishart, A book about Clarks time in office. It'll make your teeth curl, and she didn't sue which is telling. It will give some idea about the character of this woman.
She was evil to the core. And Jacinda even more so.
Yes and who shut down the police investigation in to the Otago pedophiles ring? She did along with her labour mates .Protecting the politicians, cops judges etc.ian wrote a great piece on that as well
That was a very enlightening read. He is a very good writer and researcher. Scary stuff indeed.
She must be in on it! When Truth is erased,the people involved have much to hide!
Honorary member, oh you are wrong. Israel don't listen.
Oh you are so wrong - hamas won't listen.
Free the hostages.
They won't stop, and I hope they don't. Otherwise, it will keep happening,
labour is very experienced at destroying communities so i think she knows what she is talking about
its not dusportionate , its war ,
New Zealand doesn't speak for me Te Pati Maori are speaking out against the atrocities in Gaza
WIinston selected Ardern over the more popular, most votes English. As for the other two, no, different circumstances. Ironic he now is in govt with the Nats, and fab too..❤❤❤😂😂😂. Justice restored.
And forgiveness!
Yeah he set Labour up when he went with them then they shat on him 2nd election ... and NZ fake media did a hit big time this time so he's gonna expose those commie scum ... Labour gave media $347m not $55m ... to attack conservatives and Trump supporters worldwide 🌐
Did Winston set Labour up for their massive election failure due to their Covid lies ... l think so!
He'll I thought she would be dead by now.
Go away Helen!
I see this as a great opportunity for Luxon. I think he's just waiting on international advice form either the US or the UK and therefore is shit scared to jump the gun incase they smack his hands and decide to snubb him in the future. But I believe he should totally blitz them anyway, go ahead and set the initiative for us here as KIwis and lead by his example. At the moment I wouldn't follow him into war, he's not any where near battle hardened or at least ready to handle the big stuff yet, and therefore the main reason why Winston is in there.
That's the kind of leadership and insight the world needs to hear right now. Balanced, fair and honest.
And totally obsessed with Gaza and Palestine while ignoring places like Sudan and Myanmar.
@@AmonAnon-vw3hr Places like Sudan/Mynamar US Taxpayers not involved therefore people don't care too much.
@mysticcove3392 it also doesn't fit the "colonizers vs oppressed" narrative that's been drilled so hard for the last 20 years.
@@AmonAnon-vw3hr
Our colonizers were Russian Nicholas II (125 years) believe it or not they're not as bad as others.
😂😂😂
I can't believe what I heard in this segment. I am going to do a full breakdown so everyone's knows how full of it Helen is. But before I go point by point I must mention that the opposing view was not even presented (it never is these days). Also I must mention that the fundamental nature of armed conflict is unchanged over the millennia. That is to say that... “Will is the central idea in any conflict. Let us postulate: to win any conflict, an opponent successfully imposes his will on an opponent.”
So lets be clear, this century alone tens of thousands of rockets have been fired at Israel. These rockets were carrying warheads not flowers. This is due to the fact that Hamas has made no secret of their desire to IMPOSE THEIR WILL ON ISRAEL. In other words Israel has been on the receiving end for decades. Now every nation has a right and a responsibility to keep their citizens safe, especially from terrorism. To this ends Israel pulled out of Gaza around 2005. They have been rewarded for their commitment to the two state solution and or peace by being constantly attacked.
This situation has escalated to the point where one or the other of these sides IS going to impose its will on the other. I must be clear, if one side doesn't impose its will then this conflict will go on forever. An indisputable fact which Helen could never understand.
Now that I have introduced a few truth bombs into the discussion lets go over Helens talking points one by one. I will mention approx. times so you can refer to her comments.
37 sec -Helen mentions that Hamas must be condemned. Ok, if Hamas is responsible for unlawful terrorist aggression at a grand scale this is a good start. However it is pointless to condemn someone for anything if you don't' follow up with a solution. Does she not realise that if Israel stops then these attacks by Hamas against Israel will just start again. It is deeply ironic that a left wing politician is taking a line that endorses perpetual war in Israel. Great contradiction Helen and thank you for having the foresight of an ant, brilliant.
1min 20 sec - Helen mentions the level of destruction. Lets be clear, during this conflict the media hasn't shown a single incident of a Israeli soldier intentionally targeting a civilian. So we can be clear that the reason there is so much destruction is because Hamas is FIGHTING, Helen makes out like Israel is invading Amish country with a population armed with pitchforks. The destruction is solely an indicator of Hamas resistance and because Hamas is responsible for causing this operation... they should get full blame for both edges of the sword. Cause and effect.
1 min 14 sec - Helen mentions civilians being "herded in" this is simply Israel telling civilians to go to safe areas, Helen needs to pick one argument, she can either accuse Israel of not trying to prevent civilians casualties or she can acknowledge their tremendous efforts to get civilians to safety. What she does here is appalling, she is actually condemning Israel's efforts to keep civilians safe and she is putting a tremendous spin on that to make them look bad for doing the right thing.
1 min 53 sec - Helen mentions "Two wrongs don't make a right", Lets be clear, when Hamas attacks Israel the overwhelming majority of their attacks are aimed at civilians, which is wrong. So she got the first part right. However there is virtually no evidence of Israel DELIBRATLY targeting civilians, if it does happen it would be very rare exceptions to the rule. So lets get real, terrorist's are evil for targeting civilians and Israel is not evil and not wrong because they are not targeting civilians. You would think someone with Helens "experience" would understand the importance of intentions as well as just actions. Any solider is doing right so long as they aim narrowly at the enemy combatant and not civilians. One of the worst things that has happened in the last few months is the distinction between targeting civilians and combatants seems to have been forgotten. Do people not realise its not just a matter of having a cause, how you conduct yourself matters. So we can conclude that what Israel is doing is not wrong, the are targeting combatants only. Her two wrongs argument reveals her ignorance and ethical failures.
3 min 30 sec - NZ might have had a reputation once for being fair and balanced. But not now, NZ is well know as an ultra woke nation, a politically correct mess, our opinion is about as valid as Trudeaus, hopefully the new government can restore our reputation, they will do so by not sticking their nose in this one.
7 min - Helen mentions what does Israel want, she doesn't seem to even be aware of how hard Israel has worked for peace, and the concessions they have been willing to make. She is of course asking the wrong question. The question is how can Israel not get attacked constantly? I have never heard a plausible answer other than what they are doing right now... imposing their will before the terrorists impose theirs (again).
Now she also mentions the two state solution, at this point Helen needs to put on a dunce hat. Israel pulled out of Gaza around 2005 to make this work. And yet they have been attacked constantly ever after. I can assure you that if Mexico fired tens of thousands of rockets into the USA that would be the end of Mexico, UNLESS they made a quick peace deal. What Israel is doing is no different that what any just country would do in response to attacks. Remove the threat and guarantee peace. To be clear Helen knows the two state failure is due to Hamas, but she is just dishonest or misleading you. Take your pick.
At the end of the day you can't have peace when Hamas is completely unwilling to negotiate or compromise, just remember that in terms of the number of civilian people deliberately targeted and killed as a percentage of population that 7 October is 13 times worse for Israel than Sept 11 was for the USA. You also need to ask yourself how wars in the past that have ended with peace actually ended?
Take for example London being bombed during the blitz, Germany and England are friends now, is it because England appeased Germany?, Did England compromise? Did England offer a two state solution in the U.K?
The answer is no... THEY TOOK THE FIGHT TO BERLIN.
Israel must take the fight to Berlin.
Hitler was from Linz, Austria, and his party was eventually funded by the likes of Henry Ford and other powerful corporates at the time. There was a massive fear of serious threat of communism/ Stalinism. So you can understand the sentiment of the time He also gained finance from property stolen from Jewish business and capital, which was based on a lie that all Jewish people were part of the communist threat.
Fanaticism is such a dangerous trait, and we need to remember that there are profiteers that fan the flames of fanaticism for their own personal gains. Man, society is complicated!
NZ worries me, because many people only swallow mainstream media reports and don't look deeper. Israel was a project created by Britain to secure its influence over the Levant and Suez Canal access to oil. That project was taken over by the US after WW2. The slogan at the time was "A land for a people, for a people without a land", but most sources tell us that 750000 Palestinians were kicked off their land in the so called Nakbar. It was ethnic cleansing back then and it is ethnic cleansing in 2023. The steady influx of settlers to the West Bank and Gasa over the years since 47 has accentuated the problem, and Israel likes to 'mow the lawn' from time to time, to keep the Palestinian population at their desired level. They do that of course by bombing the cities, a practice that helps them and the US develop their new weaponry, drones and whatever else comes to mind.
US supplies weapons and money to do this and is complicit in the current bombardment. The UN has finally invoked article 99 which has been vetoed by only one country, USA.
The longer the US does this the more enemies it will make in the world and the closer we come to a very serious war, something that Christian Zionists in the US are praying for because they believe in the Book of Revelations and that Jesus will come and save all Christians (not Jews!).
It is incredible how a very small number of people can influence such a powerful country and bring us all to the brink of Armageddon. We need an immediate ceasefire and some serious backpedalling to be done asap!
Amazing response and you stayed on subject and dismantled the argument clause by clause.
In a comment above I said Clarke was being disingenuous by calling for a cease fire and a 2 state solution when as an ex PM she should know that these have failed in the past not because of israel, but because of the palestinians.
You refrained from mentioning the casualties are ( allegedly) so high in Gaza because hamas uses their population as human shields. I heard a good quote the other day.
"Israel protects its people with weapons
Palestine protects weapons with its people."
@@anakei160 I don't think anyone know much about Hamas, except, yes, they are a terrorist group, but they were elected into power in Gaza by overwhelming majority. They did try to provide some sort of social support for people in Gaza, and I think they did want to negotiate with Israel and the West, but Israel doesn't want negotiations, the same way that the West doesn't want to parler with Russia.
Looking around different websites and podcasts, the Western narrative in weakening, just like the US economy. No war, no economy in the US. Most of the world is fed up with all the destruction and threats of nuclear war . The West can't blame anyone except itself. It has been waging wars and overthrowing democratically elected government ever since the end of WW 2. The chickens might be coming home to roost soon, and I think there will be a tectonic shift in Global power quite soon.
NZrs love programs like TalkBack and the 1 &3 News programs, but those stories are all coming from one source ...government! There are so many alternative News programs on the net with highly qualified, renouned and experiences figures.
On the military side, there are commentators such as Col. Larry Wilkerson and Scott Ritter.
On the economics side, people can listen to Jeffery Sachs, John Miersheimer or Michael Hudson.
As far as journalists go Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal and Abby Martin are in the thick of the troubles and always doing research and presentation .
For US legal issues, Judge Andrew Napolitano is educational.
We all tend to watch local news, which is too light weight for me. They don't go into enough depth and then you are in for an advert bombardment. I think we have all gone a bit nuts!
Spot on .
The UN should be condemning Hamas for taking the aid giong in to Gaza for themselves.
You do realise "Hamas" is a political group made and voted in by Palestinians right?, they don't come from the country of "Hamas" they are also the people.
@@Battleneter yes they have a lot of support. But there are some who don't. Their poison runs deep.
' The Walking Dead ' hosted by ..yes! you guessed it! our very own Labour puppet..Two Tonne Anna!.
We own as taxpayers own TV One The new minister of broadcasting should sack the board As for Labour appointing someone who only got into Parliament on the list after winging about not getting high enough on the list after the normal party process and was kicked of radio along with John Tamahere for their radio talkback about the roast busters Can you name this person? Also the main stream media havent grasped that the fact that Parliament has changed and that they need to change too For the main stream media to continue on following liberal idealists is in my view an attack on our democratic structure No wonder newspapers etc are failing and the young are getting the news off their phones
Free muslims of islam.
I love how you turn the comments on when you think there will be support for labour 😂
Lol You are not the only one that has noticed!
@@anakei160 lol I’m glad someone else noticed! MSM is beyond dodgy
Go away clark...your extremely biased and weird...you had your time...just retire.
Yes it took Labour Chris Hipkins who called for an immediate Cease Fire in Gaza whereas Chris Luxon states "Israel has a Right to Defend 😊itself" what ever Luxflake and now Winnika wants steps ...sigh
@Phil O'Sullivan - 1news boss - complete paid media muppet.
One new should not attack the govt this way. Clerk say so much, but say nothing in Ukraine war. Wtf with one news
Oh how I wish Winston and Helen would go away !
Helen Clarke says she is from an elders group - I think, like Biden - she needs to have a cup of tea and go and have a lie down!
She hardly sleeps! A restless soul that needs to repent of her sins!
Never mind you Helen clark your appinion dont matter
Opinion is not news. Stop putting them in the headlines.
What Ms Clark is not saying is there are still terrorists in the tunnels - with or without hostages. It is a massive complex built over many years because Israel has been condemned at every effort to subdue Hamas, and go into Gaza and wipe their bases out. To condemn Israel for boldly addressing the Hamas terrorists means that terrorism is tolerated if not supported - with the result that it will be allowed to spread, as per the Hamas mandate. NZ has enough both within, and on, its own doorstep without getting involved with another country's strife. Why does NZ not support Israel doing the job in the way we have given support to Ukraine?
"we need more than steps toward a cease fire". Then explains the steps that could be taken toward a ceasefire and how that is what is needed..
Quiet Helen, please retire gracefully and refrain from opinionating constantly. You are naiave to say the least if you and your associates think this is a simple fix. Here's a good suggestion, read your Bible and learn where it's all going to end up. The bibles been bang on accurate so far
You're interpretation?
no simply reading it. You should try it sometime@@jessejules2092
Politicians of all creeds are more concerned about their home 'presence' than for anything beyond their borders.
And so they should be. Look after NZ first before interference in other countries
I didn't mean for their home country, rather, just their own home presence = scrounging for attention.@@l3204llyz
@@l3204llyznot interference but support,if it’s genuine!
This conflict is 56 years old, couldn't you have done something Mr's Clarke? ...
Weird how Israel is doing the real killing while Palestinians are being blamed for their predicament 🤦♂️
Good on you Winston and Helen
Sucks that she didn't win against Bank Ki-Moon when she ran for the top job at the UN
that's because other countries knew what she was really like as compared to her blind labour supporters.
@@lyellclare9365 lol. Other countries can’t find us on a map; they had no idea who she was 😂 and I think a 3 term PM kinda tells you she must’ve been pretty good
@@ethan41435 nope - a 3 term PM like her, just tells us what fools NZers were. She was responsible for an economic depression in NZ - as Labour always is.
Fortunately, Ardern and Covid woke a lot of NZers up.
She looks so much like her father FG Clark
'What would New Zealand get by calling for a ceasefire' . We would show that we are not complicit in genocide, and if we are just going to be bystanders then we are complicit.
Virtue signalling then. Got it.
If we call a ceasefire - then we are complicit in the genocide of Israel - the actual nation that Gaza belongs to.
Hamas will not and never have abided by a ceasefire. They don't want one. Their whole goal is to annihilate Israel.
Not because Israel occupies Gaza - because they don't. They moved out of Gaza when Regan was the President. Hamas doesn't even come from Gaza. The Palestinians, who are actually from Jordan, occupy Israeli land, and hamas occupies Gaza. They took over the Palestinian government by force.
They use ceasefires to regroup, and then they attack Israel again. And they don't care in the least how many of their 'own' people die.
hamas started this war, the people of Palestine supported them and cheered them on - and now they must face the consequences - just as they would if they did that to any other nation.
Good on you Helen the current Government is very slow or worse just plain slack. More interested in the NZ economy and denying Treaty rights
Aunty Helen should climb down of her high horse, don some Redbands and go over and have a stern chat with the two parties at war..I'm sure they will listen..
the usual blithering from lefties who don't get it. Demanding a 'ceasefire' now is utterly one-sided: it's applying pressure to Israel to simply stop fighting - Hamas never will, they've said so. As for trying to compare the Israel/Hamas situation to that suffered by Spain with the Euskadi separatists is just nonsensical: the Basques were never interested in exterminating Spain and taking over the entire land, which is the sole objective of Hamas with regard to Israel.
TV1 floods depression into our homes daily now. Best to stop watching it these days or else your mood is low.
Small fish comes to mind!! Look the big boys are never going to listen to some retaric from a Politician in NZ,we just don't count !!
This is a surprise to me
Even given I met Helen - but knew here family a lot better ( I like her father wo staunch National - Geo not later but
Helen has hit the nail right on the head
I for once are on total aggrievance
So you knew Harry Clak aka Helen????!!!! Dirty boy! They're a pedo family so who are you!!!
Who cares, Helen....
Blah! blah! blah! Pls stop this bully on Winston, you want to scream, do scream at Elon Musk for providing communications to the Gaza region which triggered in Hamas sizing this opportunity to create more terror.
Or what? Who you going to send if they say no? Bet your thinking of sending our people eh? Don't think so
hi aunty helen i know your my mothers cousin and eldest cousin, keep in mind that uncle peter winston is awaitin some of our family to go in with some cherishables that we must get the goverened social developments to gather together for us so that we have something for you to keep. we also need our home back and that is manukau courthouse, weve been waitin 12years for this moment and it was hard holdin our positions so that we never got sent away from each other. this is a nice footage of you aunty. Im THE QUEENS youngest daughter. elizabeth irihapeti myers williams. over here they just call me jessica irihapeti rapana.
you need to keep in contact with uncle sonny williams he is peter winstons. 2024 aunty ill be 31.
Come on who out of you lot doesnt critise the new government, its about the norm now, of course youlotkniwbetter eh !!!!!!!!!!!!
Her time is over
Did you know that Helen Clark is a woman?
She looks like a man and sounds like one!
Why is she back here? Go back to Communist Org, United Nation.
HK is in touch with reality. credit for that.
Its certainly time for calling a permanent ceasefire. And AID be allowed in
Hamas can free the hostages, lay down their arms and stop using their children as human shields.
But they won't.
Why would Winston Peters call for cease fire on Gaza when he is starting war on his own Country Aotearoa New Zealand..
Pull your head in nz first is for all of nz not just a small group of activests who consider themselves above the rest
He's doing no such thing. He has repeatedly said that every Kiwi should be equal and be treated the same. If you have a problem with that you're either scared of losing handouts or you're just racist 🤷
Excuse me!
I am a New Zealand kiwi born Pakeha who has worked for everything l own..
And who happens to like all kiwi born New Zealanders of our country.
I am not rassist in any way..
Just aTrue Proud kiwi who dosn't need bs,and that's all what this is bull shit..
Race wars with Winston & his slaves
@@loganwright8270if it’s true you’re not racist and have the interest of every New Zealander then shouldn’t you applaud Winston for trying to promote equality for everyone?
In this case I agree with Helen Clark whole heartedly. New Zealand needs to step up and show support for the Paiestine people. If a ceasefire doesn't happen soon, there'll be no Palestinians left as the Israeli captors are stepping up their crimes against humanity.
Vice versa
Palestine is islamic hamas is an islamic terrorist organisation she is supporting evil and will lead NZ to hell what winston peter says is right
Hamas was voted into power by 90% of the Palestinians
Hamas used all the money they received to build tunnels bombs and rockets
Hamas wanted and still wants the war with Israel
They dress up as civilians and shoot bombs and guns at Israel soldiers and when they die Hamas claims that they are civilians
Hamas can stop the war if they give up the hostages and give up but they want war and will put their civilians (children) in harm’s way to gain support from world opinion
Wake up Hamas is a terror organisation that has to be stopped
Why? So hamas can mount another murderous attack. NO THANKS. We stand with Israel. Only a fool thinks that Israel is the enemy here. Only a fool is taken in by the hamas propaganda.
The people of Gaza are occupying Israeli land. Time for Israel to take it back. Time for them to deal with those that constantly attack them.
Do some research.
Have to laugh at you people who think Israel should have a ceasefire. WHY? So hamas can regroup and attack again. They are the ones that ALWAYS break the ceasefires or the peace treaties. NOT Israel.
And while you're busy interfering in Israels rights to defend herself against demons, (hey - when you start a war as hamas did - then be prepared to suffer the consequences), are you also telling the WHO and WEF to butt out of NZ business.
Hypocrite.
who can what Clarke says- she, it...or whatever her pronoun is irrelevant
Our country has been historically bold when it comes to speaking out about global issues. Calling for a ceasefire is 100% necessary! We also need to expel the Israeli ambassador.
Expel the ambassador to the only democracy in the Middle East, to support a terrorist organisation which is using its children as human shields. Not thinking this through are you.
Well said Helen
All Wars are Bankers Wars
Blackrock already made a Fortune
I wholeheartedly agree with Helen Clark.
Shame on the new coalition for not calling for a ceasefire.
New Zealand should and wants to be on the right side of history. We're no better than the US and UK right now.
Helen Clark former PM of NZ, well done.