I'm still amazed that this camera got such a bad rap for video. I have two of them and I agree with you that the video quality is absolutely incredible when you shoot with C-Log and everything else you just mentioned. I guess we're a few of the people who have unlocked the true capabilities of the 5D4. Thanks for your recommendations!
This is awesome information! Picked up a 5DMKIV a few weeks back 2nd hand from a pro camera shop. My MKIII gave up the ghost and quit on me. I found the MKIV for a good price. Looking to pair some video shooting in 4K with my 90D. Thanks again
This channel is one of my favourites, hands down! There's no threatrics, straight to the point, no beating around the bush. Straight up good unadulterated advice! Description box break down is also excellent. Subscribed and saved lots of vids to guide me down the track!
Pablo Proxy Thank you so much Pablo! Appreciate you checking out my videos and glad it has helped you in some way! Thanks for your encouraging words, means a lot!
One of the most intuitive videos I've seen for shooting 4K on the 5DIV. Can I ask. What if you're doing an indoor shot with minimal lighting, but you need to let more light in to the camera - would you recommend decreased the shutter speed below 50 or the ISO above 400 to maintain quality?
Sorry but it's not 12bit colour. Clog is a gamma curve using 8bits optimised for this camera. Same algorithm as the 1dc, c100,300,500. Bits are not generated under a gamma curve.
I stand corrected, it is a logarithmic “gamma curve” as you say but it grabs 13.5 stops on c300 II and the official Canon Video on cLOG on the 5D4 suggests it’s able to give equivalent 12 stops. Cheat sheet learn.usa.canon.com/app/pdfs/c300_markii/QuickStart_CanonLogs_10_12_FINAL.pdf Canon Video; ua-cam.com/video/Ok8qfgdCDko/v-deo.html from 1:00
@@MichaelDrowley good reply. Not many people admit they are wrong. I work with Canon cameras nearly everyday. If the 5d was 12bits I would be selling the c300 mkii and c500...
Greg Hughes I appreciate all the knowledge and value from this community. Certainly lots of room for growth. I think my wording will definitely change now on how I describe what the cLOG is actually doing to achieve the increased DR! I want to get my hands on the C100 mk ii and plan to very soon. Have you used that much in the field?
Michael Drowley yes I used it for around 2 years. Very good camera. Couple of drawbacks but I'm sure you will have fun with it. If it had the 5D AF I would buy another 3
Around 2:50 video gets a bit confusing. You're conflating bit depth with the number of stops of dynamic range that can be achieved. These are two similar but ultimately different concepts. To clarify, the video from the 5D Mark IV at 4K with Canon Log is still 8-bit 4:2:2 (it's 4:2:0 in 1080p) and it offers up to 12 stops of dynamic range.
Thanks for picking that up. I do recall saying bit’s in place of stops in this one and confusing the 2 and as it was brought to my attention days after the video’s release by another viewer and so I followed up with a correction to it in a video a week or so later. But that was a long while ago!
what camera do you recommend for someone who wants an editorial type of photography and indie but still cinematic filming that isnt too expensive? love ur videos
Nice video! I am a 5d4 user, could i ask, how do you solve the problem of bt.601 in 4k clog? (when i use canon luts, the color is quite different from bt.709 in 1080p) And what software do you recommend in win? Thanks a lot Michael!
Thank you for this detailed information. I recently shot greenscreen interview footage (which was a mistake in itself, don't ask how I got there...) with a 5D Mk 4 that I borrowed, and I didn't really inform myself before using it. So now I have those hughe files, 1 Minute almost 4GB, and my computer (Gigabyte Aero 15 laptop) can't handle it in After Effects. I was completely overwhelmed to why this had happened, and have since then been trying to learn a lot about Bitrates, Codecs, Containers and so on. I still don't have a clear idea of what my workflow should be with this material... should I compress it down a bit (and how exactly would it keep the best quality), should I work with proxies (but since I edit the greenscreen out in AE, using proxies might not be good because the settings for the proxies would be different from the settings for the full version)... At this point I just wish I used a Sony A7 3 for this shooting xD I would be really interested in which computer you use that can easily handle the Canons 4K footage. The link in your description for me just leads to Amazon with "MacBook Pro" typed in the search bar, which doesn't tell me which specifics your machine has. I guess whoever reads this comment doesn't have the time to answer all those question from a stranger on the internet, but if someone is super bored and wants to nerd out about this topic, feel free xD And thanks in advance for reading all of this, no matter if you anwer or not. Have a nice day!
I think back then I had a full spec MacBook Pro 15” 2016 with 16 Gig Ram 4 Gig graphics card. This was the Reciept specs: RFB MBP 15.4/2.5GHZ/16GB/512GB/AMD--AUS. As for best method to use… it’s tricky because I’m not sure your computer will run ProRes proxies or not. I would try proxy them in a 1920x1080 (or equivalent to your 4K size) Pro Res 422 Proxy or LT. Make sure your proxy size is the exact match in terms of aspect ratio and they should (theoretically) match up in post. That may depend though if you are working in a HD or 4K timeline if you are making any translation effects that may get janky when you relink back to the larger footage but if you are working in 4K timeline you can just scale to frame size and it should scale both the proxy and then the original media the same. Ideally you should use the MJPEG captured codec footage in the final exported timeline because you have full 422 colour subsampling. You could also make 422 ProRes 422 master though that will barely loose quality and then dump the MJPEGS if they are hanging up your computer. Test the new ProRes 422 masters and if they still hang things then create your proxies from there. Hopefully that makes sense! Good luck with it, we’ve all been there!!!
@@MichaelDrowley Thak you so much for this quick answer! I will work through those suggestions and see if it helps, then report back in case anyone else has this problem and needs to know what worked out ^^
Do you know to to fix the cutting lines in the videos? I mean, I recording with 4K but it's crop, (I'm seeing double black lines), do have any idea how to remove it during the post? (I'm using Vegas 19 pro), Thanks!!
If you click the Pan/Crop icon on the clip that you added to the timeline, you can manually type in the resolution you want the clip to be. Make sure to disable the "Lock Aspect Ratio" button on the left side of the Pan/Crop Window first. After that, re-enable the Lock Aspect Ratio button and now you can drag around the size of the video.
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks dude, I bought the a6300 about 8 months ago because I hated the 6d mark 2 1080p but holy SH*T do I hate using sony cameras.... I've shot with canon since I started 5 years ago and there is seriously nothing like it the menus, start up time, colors, not having any lag! Don't get how people can rely on their sonys....
I really appreciate your videos and the detailed info. Could I ask, I want to send my C-LOG 4k files form my 5d MK4 to my client but they are just too big, what is the best way to reduce the files keeping the best quality possible? Turn it to MP4 in Premier?
You could try converting in media encoder or another conversion software to Quicktime ProRes 422. I'm not sure that would render them smaller. The other option might be ProRes 422 Light which should be a smaller file size. Test it out with a few files and see if it gets them smaller and then use the one that suits you for quality and size.
Thanks Michael, another great video! My experience of using an SD card for 4k is different to your though. I find it just isn't fast enough and the camera usually stop the recording sometimes after a few seconds. And that's using the SanDisk Extreme PRO 95 MB/s. I'm beginning to wonder if I could have a faulty SD card? 4k works like a dream to the CF card.
Joel Penn Yeah, you may have a Chinese copy? I’d say get one from Amazon but they’ve unfortunately had quite a number of issues lately with imitation product sellers, so maybe try a verified seller locally in your area. I’ve also run with a 128 Sony card which handled continuous 4K up to card full kit.com/MichaelDrowley/all-my-gear/sony-sd-professional Important that you run XC I U3 95 and only a few specific XC II will work. See if yours is listed here... alikgriffin.com/best-memory-card-for-the-canon-5d-mark-iv/ hope that helps mate! Thanks for checking out my video
After watching this video, I decided to dig out my old SD cards and sure enough, my 128gb 95 mb/s SanDisk causes the camera to stop recording almost immediately. I tried an old 64gb SD card of the same make and it's recording 4k like a dream. So I think you're right, I was sold a dodgy SanDisk 95mb/s card by Amazon! Thanks so much for your video. Until today, I'd assumed my 5D couldn't write to the SD slot fast enough for 4k recording!
Hey Michael..thanks as ever for your super content. Just have a quick question from your 5Dmk4 days. On my 5d4 when shooting clog (canon upgrade) I get noise patterns in the shadows usually in the form of spontaneous lines that sometimes come and go. Sometimes they’re not there at all. Certain conditions seem to cause them. The log is correctly exposed. It happens from 400iso upwards. It happens on the 2 bodies I own which a roughly 5 numbers apart on the serials. Did you ever experience this?
Paul Michael Hughes Hey Thanks Paul! I did notice it yep, the 5D4 is very sensitive to banding in the blacks when pushing ISO’s higher than 400. A way I used to get around it is shoot at 320 ISO which lowers your native clog dynamic range but only by a fraction. This ISO I found to be the least noisy. I also got banding at 100 ISO but that was gradient banding from shadow to highlight - but again only visible in the blacks/shadows. I’d push the log exposure to over expose a fraction (maybe a stop) and then check that you can recover all highlights and if you can then you should see an improvement with banding in the blacks.
Michael Drowley You’re a star for getting back to me.. I’ve been paranoid my 2 bodies have a sensor fault. Not many people seem to talk about this issue much. Does the EOS R suffer from it too?
Paul Michael Hughes EOS R is much better although I am yet to test it extensively as I did with the 5D4. It’s always a little more tricky working with log on any camera though. When shot correctly though, the 5D4 produces the good in log! Other times I have had to denoise certain clips but it cleans up nicely. Check this out for the EOS R flexibility. Still with denoise pass required above about 1200 ISO - ua-cam.com/video/MVnQgkaBsPA/v-deo.html
@@paulmichaelhughes7980 MOre than welcome mate! Go well with the 5D4, love that camera. The EOS R might be your next upgrade though, worthwhile in my opinion!
Hi friend, I hope you well. It been a while. I am using a 5D mark 4 . I have noticed the 50mm 1.4 is very wide on the 5D mark 4 but if you using 6D with the same lens you get exactly 50mm range. The difference though is not that much but it kind of a pain to get use to Do you have any idea what is the cause for this ?
Hi Michael, Thanks for the tips ! I get a question not directly connected to the topic : Videos on my SD card are Ok, but not on the compactflash (SANDISK Carte Compact Flash Extreme Pro 128GB 160 MB/s) I get some parasites and deformation on the footage no matter the settings (NTSC, PAL, 25fps, 50fps, 4k...) Have you any clue to solve this problem ? Have a nice day. Philippe
Philippe Keller Hi Philippe! No worries, it’s a pleasure to make these videos! I have only heard of currupt files or buffer issues with faulty or imitation cards before. Did you purchase the card recently? If so, where did you buy it from? I have always been able to record full HD continuous to either card full or 30 minute limit in either 4K or HD on my CF 128 GB Lexar Pro 1066x 160MB/s UDMA 7. Also to my 64GB of the same type works flawlessly.
When shooting 4K would it be possible to use a Ef-s/APsC wide lens if I used and extension tube ,I know you can get third party crop lens with the EF mount but wanted to make use of the gear I have already.
Hi Lewis, mate sorry I missed responding to your question! You can use EF-S lenses but with some restrictions. Check out some of the posts over on dp review to find out more, in particular read brightcolours response www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4160013
I think one of the possible problems with using EF-S glass is that they sit inside the body more, and the mirror of a full frame camera might hit them and get damaged.
Liza Ramos I’d go for the Rode Videomic Pro +! I often use the older Rode VideoMic Pro and I think in this video I used the Rode NTG2 recorded through my audio interface and synced up later. Hope that helps, thanks for your comment and question Liza!
David Makvandi Hey David, the 128GB version I have not tested for continuous writing in 4K but I have had success with a Sony Professional 95MB/S 128 GC card. The 256 GB card formats differently in camera and therefore the files do not split into 4GB chunks. Regardless it should handle the write speeds and the only other thing I can think of is that it is a fake or a copy card. That has been the case with other people.
My only guess would be that the camera is writing slightly faster than the SD card can download, maybe the camera has an internal storage that can back up only a certain amount of footage before it has to stop the recording so that it can catch up writing the footage to the card. Kind of like how if you’re shooting photos in burst on a crappy SD or CF card it can stop your shooting to finish writing all those photos.
@@markanderson7441 Yeah, that's the issue. The write buffer on the camera can't write it to the card quick enough. So the buffer fills up and then recording stops. It's not a problem with the right cards. Only thing I can suggest as I said to David is the card is a fake, OR, the 128 GB Sandisk Extreme Pro doesn't write quick enough, though I know for sure the exact same card in 256 is flawless for the full half an hour record time in 4K.
@@MichaelDrowley Just thought I should update. I bought the 256 gb card the other day and it records 4k no problem. The longest I have let it run is 10 min but pretty sure it would have recorded for the full thirty. Either there is something unique about the 256 gb version or I do have a fake card. Although I bought it on Amazon, and it handles everything else besides 4k like a champ. Thanks Michael.
Hi i have a question on shooting 4K videos!! Am using 128 Sandisk CF card and every time I shoot it says the movie recorded exceeds the 4g limit and it split in to two files if it’s a minute video or split in to two three and even four files if I shoot more than 4 , 5 minutes !! Why is that??
sanoj varghese Hey Sanoj, it’s because of the formatting of the card in fat32 has a 4GB file size limit so it splits the video file into multiple 4GB files. It won’t drop frames so shouldn’t be a problem. With a 256GB card you will be able to get one large file as the in camera formatting on the larger card is exfat.
sanoj varghese You can use them no problem, but it won’t create one continuous file. You’ll need an NLE like Premiere Pro to stitch the files together and export as one piece.
Michael Drowley I just spend 420$ for this card from a camera shop and it says it’s suitable for 4K videos ( the card am using is san disk extreme pro 128 gb 160 MBS udma 7
sanoj varghese As I said, The Card will record 4K continuos up to the 30 minute record limit. It will just split the recording over multiple files on the card.
@@MichaelDrowley I am curious to see if someone has used that combo before I buy Ninja V. If you hear or learn something post please, it would be highly appreciated. Enjoy!
Thanks for your videos! I went out and recorded my first video after watching your 'best settings' for the 5D and used the settings: FHD 59.94P ALL-I as I pretty much knew I wanted to slow mo 80% of the shots... I had my ISO set at 100 all day (outside), shutter speed was locked at 125, and then I just changed the fstop accordingly. Now i've put my footage into premiere I just feel it looks such bad quality? I'm completely new to film but don't understand what i'm doing wrong :( I don't have an ND or C LOG. Any tips would be fantastic.
Why do you think quality is bad? What picture profile did you shoot in? What lens did you use? Maybe you need to sharpen it a bit? You can use unsharp mask in premiere.
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks for replying so quick, really appreciate it! I was using my 35mm f/2 IS USM. I did add some sharpen in post but applied it through the 'creative' tab on an adjustment layer as opposed to unsharp mask... im not sure what that is! It still didn't look how I would have expected. I feel like my clips have no sharpness at all and look rather muddy. Do you think I should switch to 4k and then change back the FHD when I want to add slo mo? gahhh, lots to learn ! hahah!
@@daniellenoakes2103 4K will be better but you have to deal with the crop so you may need to go wider on your lens to say 24mm. You could also upscale it on a 4K timeline to give it a slight bump in quality. Getting a high end look from a 6 year old camera is a challenge but the 5D has a decent image to work with in both 4K and FHD.
KIMBI CHAH Hey Kimbi, some Mark IVs did not come with cLOG pre installed. If yours is one of those You have to send it to a Canon service centre and have it installed as a paid upgrade.
KIMBI CHAH Hi Kimbi, you can’t load it like a picture profile. It requires a remapping of the sensor via canon service centre. Try the EOSHD or James Miller profiles if you’re just looking for picture profiles
Unfortunately the rolling shutter in 4K is absolutely terrible. I know this because I own the 5D IV since they exact day it came out. I’ve since moved o to other options for video. It remains my primary stills camera.
Thanks, for me the rolling shutter isn’t a problem really but it’s not as good as something with a global shutter. Great for stills too for sure! Thanks for checking out the video.
Rodrigo Hernández Ghiggino I will check it for you on Monday and report back. I don’t have my 5D4 anymore, but catching up with the new owner of it on Monday to shoot a comparison video between the 5D4 and the EOS R!
This video answer so many questions for me including questions I did not know I had!!!! I truly appreciate you putting all this together. The only question I have now is how what’s the max you could you could crop in on a 4k image without it affecting quality.?🙏🏼🙏🏼
The much less expensive but smarter, lighter (more gimbal-friendly) EOS R is killing this camera for video (for stills it is still definitely the number one choice) 4:2:0 8-bit smaller file sizes, good EVF, swivel LCD, ND filter adapters, advanced AF with Digic 8, EF-S lens compatibility, UHS-II SD, C-Log included(!), 10-bit external output and so on R.I.P. 5D IV for video - p.s.: just a joke, you can still use it, it is still not bad and does have Cinema 4k at 4:2:2 8-bit - thank you Canon for still crippling the R as much as possible.
padam19 Haha! Great comment. You missed focus peaking! Lol. Binge watched all the release videos on the R! Looks promising but yeah, still no 4K 60 or full HD 120. Won’t be holding my breath for that until the 1Dxmk3 releases. RF lenses look... expensive but that vari ND adaptor ring is an absolute mint idea!
The 5D IV is still better in a number of ways. Probably the main reason to get the EOS R is compatibility with the RF glass. That 28-70 f/2 lens, I mean, nobody else has a lens like it. Though it's not exactly cheap.
Thanks for your comment Jeff, my apologies as admittedly I've got it wrong on bit depth - the camera only has the 8 bit 4.2.2 available in 4K. What I meant to say was 12 "stops" DR available when shooting in cLOG not 12 "bits." See Canon's own video; ua-cam.com/video/Ok8qfgdCDko/v-deo.html
You would probably have 100x more subs if you speak in laymen's terms for general audience. Vloggers need your advice and they don't know anything. Would you be willing to consider trying to go back down the ladder a bit? There are so many of you photographers out there who are saying your preferences, and you are attracting other photographers who will only disagree (snobs....sorry). If you break it down in easy language and teach a little, you'll collect a bunch of dummies who will trust you more, because we know nothing. 😄
Hi Night Owls! Thanks so much for checking out my video! I really appreciate your insights, I will take it on board for sure and make sure I provide relevant content, not just to people already doing video but also those getting into video and starting out on a journey of vlogging!! I have a Patreon account setup for people who are just starting out in producing videos. On there I plan to do live streams and run through basics of film/photography and answer any questions you might have! Check it out, as I believe you will get value from it - bit.ly/2JeL65l Thanks again for checking out my videos!
@@MichaelDrowley I am on my 4th UA-cam account. I will sub from my other main account which is the one I'm always on as I do more uploads on that one. I'm just really looking for a good camera for lowlight videos. I like to keep it as simple as possible and have researched cameras for 2 years. I waste more time listening to stuff that's not helpful, as I'm trying to learn too much. Most vloggers just want it mid-range price so as not to replicate the look of a crappy cell phone, and have easy settings with great quality. I am subbed on this channel but will join from the other so I can follow. Thanks. Good luck on your channel.
I'm still amazed that this camera got such a bad rap for video. I have two of them and I agree with you that the video quality is absolutely incredible when you shoot with C-Log and everything else you just mentioned. I guess we're a few of the people who have unlocked the true capabilities of the 5D4. Thanks for your recommendations!
It absolutely destroys the Sony video footage. It's not even a contest.
Totally agree.
I got 2 for photography and oh man what awesomeness!
@@ahmedcruzjuarez3062 It is awesome. The 5D4 takes you to another level when it comes to the photo side.
seems like everyone who actually owns one loves it
Just upgraded to the 5D IV and it’s a beast of a camera. These videos are so helpful understanding the camera better
Jovani Garcia Thanks Jovani!!!
This is awesome information! Picked up a 5DMKIV a few weeks back 2nd hand from a pro camera shop. My MKIII gave up the ghost and quit on me. I found the MKIV for a good price. Looking to pair some video shooting in 4K with my 90D.
Thanks again
I make all the cards do exfat, I format the smaller cards in the computer and it works.
Such a good way to go isn't it!
Same.
Great video. Just this one clarity, Canon Log doesn't make the camera to shoot 12 bits. It just helps with increasing dynamic range (Stops)
Thanks for the heads up! Appreciate the feedback
This channel is one of my favourites, hands down! There's no threatrics, straight to the point, no beating around the bush. Straight up good unadulterated advice! Description box break down is also excellent. Subscribed and saved lots of vids to guide me down the track!
Pablo Proxy Thank you so much Pablo! Appreciate you checking out my videos and glad it has helped you in some way! Thanks for your encouraging words, means a lot!
canon 5d4 user here!
LDTV Hey friend 👋🏻
Thanks mate - this is the 3rd video i've watched in succession - great work...
Thanks so much Nanda! Glad you are getting great value here!
Great tutorial!!!
thx a lot for those recommendations
Just purchased the Mark IV and watched a load of videos - yours has been the best yet. I shall return! Subscribed too. Thank you..
What lens did you film this video with? Would you buy a new one now for 1499? I have a7iii but don't like the colors
I’d get EOS R instead. This was shot 24mm f1.4L
One of the most intuitive videos I've seen for shooting 4K on the 5DIV.
Can I ask. What if you're doing an indoor shot with minimal lighting, but you need to let more light in to the camera - would you recommend decreased the shutter speed below 50 or the ISO above 400 to maintain quality?
You can push it to iso 3200 if you want
Sorry but it's not 12bit colour. Clog is a gamma curve using 8bits optimised for this camera. Same algorithm as the 1dc, c100,300,500. Bits are not generated under a gamma curve.
Greg Hughes Not a gamma curve, remapped sensor algorithm.
I stand corrected, it is a logarithmic “gamma curve” as you say but it grabs 13.5 stops on c300 II and the official Canon Video on cLOG on the 5D4 suggests it’s able to give equivalent 12 stops. Cheat sheet learn.usa.canon.com/app/pdfs/c300_markii/QuickStart_CanonLogs_10_12_FINAL.pdf Canon Video; ua-cam.com/video/Ok8qfgdCDko/v-deo.html from 1:00
@@MichaelDrowley good reply. Not many people admit they are wrong. I work with Canon cameras nearly everyday. If the 5d was 12bits I would be selling the c300 mkii and c500...
Greg Hughes I appreciate all the knowledge and value from this community. Certainly lots of room for growth. I think my wording will definitely change now on how I describe what the cLOG is actually doing to achieve the increased DR! I want to get my hands on the C100 mk ii and plan to very soon. Have you used that much in the field?
Michael Drowley yes I used it for around 2 years. Very good camera. Couple of drawbacks but I'm sure you will have fun with it. If it had the 5D AF I would buy another 3
Great job on this vid. Learned a ton. Thanks.
Around 2:50 video gets a bit confusing. You're conflating bit depth with the number of stops of dynamic range that can be achieved. These are two similar but ultimately different concepts. To clarify, the video from the 5D Mark IV at 4K with Canon Log is still 8-bit 4:2:2 (it's 4:2:0 in 1080p) and it offers up to 12 stops of dynamic range.
Thanks for picking that up. I do recall saying bit’s in place of stops in this one and confusing the 2 and as it was brought to my attention days after the video’s release by another viewer and so I followed up with a correction to it in a video a week or so later. But that was a long while ago!
Are you over exposing in log? I'm coming back to canon...from a7sii's
Great video,Which one lens should i have for all the cinematic work, tight on budget
SD Films 50mm f1.8 STM 👌🏻
It’s equivalent 85mm, ideally you would want a wide option too like 24mm f1.4L but they are up there in price
what camera do you recommend for someone who wants an editorial type of photography and indie but still cinematic filming that isnt too expensive? love ur videos
This was amazing! Thank you so much for the detailed explanation :)
Thanks Paul
Excellent overview. Keep up the great work man. Cheers
Thanks for continued support brother! Appreciate you man
Nice video! I am a 5d4 user, could i ask, how do you solve the problem of bt.601 in 4k clog? (when i use canon luts, the color is quite different from bt.709 in 1080p) And what software do you recommend in win? Thanks a lot Michael!
very nice and i can learn new things..thanks man for the knowledge.. love it. keep it up... bro, please do tutorials on how to use clog..please!!!!
Thanks Nyokiecutz! I have done a couple vids on cLOG on the 5DIV. Have you had a chance to have a look at more of my videos?
thanks bro!!! you're the best!!!!!
NIce work Michael... Thank you... Tossing up between a Canon C200 or C100 Mk 2 myself 🤔...
Thank you for this detailed information. I recently shot greenscreen interview footage (which was a mistake in itself, don't ask how I got there...) with a 5D Mk 4 that I borrowed, and I didn't really inform myself before using it. So now I have those hughe files, 1 Minute almost 4GB, and my computer (Gigabyte Aero 15 laptop) can't handle it in After Effects. I was completely overwhelmed to why this had happened, and have since then been trying to learn a lot about Bitrates, Codecs, Containers and so on. I still don't have a clear idea of what my workflow should be with this material... should I compress it down a bit (and how exactly would it keep the best quality), should I work with proxies (but since I edit the greenscreen out in AE, using proxies might not be good because the settings for the proxies would be different from the settings for the full version)... At this point I just wish I used a Sony A7 3 for this shooting xD
I would be really interested in which computer you use that can easily handle the Canons 4K footage. The link in your description for me just leads to Amazon with "MacBook Pro" typed in the search bar, which doesn't tell me which specifics your machine has. I guess whoever reads this comment doesn't have the time to answer all those question from a stranger on the internet, but if someone is super bored and wants to nerd out about this topic, feel free xD And thanks in advance for reading all of this, no matter if you anwer or not. Have a nice day!
I think back then I had a full spec MacBook Pro 15” 2016 with 16 Gig Ram 4 Gig graphics card. This was the Reciept specs: RFB MBP 15.4/2.5GHZ/16GB/512GB/AMD--AUS. As for best method to use… it’s tricky because I’m not sure your computer will run ProRes proxies or not. I would try proxy them in a 1920x1080 (or equivalent to your 4K size) Pro Res 422 Proxy or LT. Make sure your proxy size is the exact match in terms of aspect ratio and they should (theoretically) match up in post. That may depend though if you are working in a HD or 4K timeline if you are making any translation effects that may get janky when you relink back to the larger footage but if you are working in 4K timeline you can just scale to frame size and it should scale both the proxy and then the original media the same. Ideally you should use the MJPEG captured codec footage in the final exported timeline because you have full 422 colour subsampling. You could also make 422 ProRes 422 master though that will barely loose quality and then dump the MJPEGS if they are hanging up your computer. Test the new ProRes 422 masters and if they still hang things then create your proxies from there. Hopefully that makes sense! Good luck with it, we’ve all been there!!!
@@MichaelDrowley Thak you so much for this quick answer! I will work through those suggestions and see if it helps, then report back in case anyone else has this problem and needs to know what worked out ^^
Do you know to to fix the cutting lines in the videos?
I mean, I recording with 4K but it's crop, (I'm seeing double black lines), do have any idea how to remove it during the post?
(I'm using Vegas 19 pro), Thanks!!
Yeah, try zoom in the image a tiny bit
If you click the Pan/Crop icon on the clip that you added to the timeline, you can manually type in the resolution you want the clip to be. Make sure to disable the "Lock Aspect Ratio" button on the left side of the Pan/Crop Window first. After that, re-enable the Lock Aspect Ratio button and now you can drag around the size of the video.
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks, I've tried to play with it, still the same.. But I wil try again.
@@MichaelDrowley It works!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks CHAMP!!!
Thanks buddy for the video
Great video, very thorough!
Hey man how do you end up dealing with the crop for example if I were to shoot wide angles?
William Wallace 12mm Leowa zero D lens 👌🏻
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks dude, I bought the a6300 about 8 months ago because I hated the 6d mark 2 1080p but holy SH*T do I hate using sony cameras....
I've shot with canon since I started 5 years ago and there is seriously nothing like it the menus, start up time, colors, not having any lag! Don't get how people can rely on their sonys....
Hello thanks for the info. Can you please make a video on canon 1D c External recording ?? Or c500 (mark 1 - Classic)
I really appreciate your videos and the detailed info. Could I ask, I want to send my C-LOG 4k files form my 5d MK4 to my client but they are just too big, what is the best way to reduce the files keeping the best quality possible? Turn it to MP4 in Premier?
You could try converting in media encoder or another conversion software to Quicktime ProRes 422. I'm not sure that would render them smaller. The other option might be ProRes 422 Light which should be a smaller file size. Test it out with a few files and see if it gets them smaller and then use the one that suits you for quality and size.
@@MichaelDrowley thank you very much Michael.
How i to get c-log on my body canon 5D mkiv ? My body doesn’t have it... thkyou from malaysian☝🏻🥰
You have to send it in to canon for a service upgrade. It will be a small upgrade cost and will take a few weeks.
@@MichaelDrowley thkyouu
Mike, What is your preferred lens with 5DM4 for 4K? especially with a gimbal.
Giri Pillai 16-35 f4.0 IS for gimbal work. I use the 24 f1.4 for 60p Slow motion at 1080p but it’s just that little bit too narrow in 4K.
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks👍
Can you dual record video on both card slots (redundantly) on the Canon 5D Mark 3 or Mark 4? Thank you!
Thanks Michael, another great video! My experience of using an SD card for 4k is different to your though. I find it just isn't fast enough and the camera usually stop the recording sometimes after a few seconds. And that's using the SanDisk Extreme PRO 95 MB/s. I'm beginning to wonder if I could have a faulty SD card? 4k works like a dream to the CF card.
We had that problem. It was the SD card not being fast enough, replaced the card with a faster one and and it worked.
I have 4 of the SanDisk Extreme PRO 256GB 95 MB/s SD Cards and they have worked perfectly.
Joel Penn Yeah, you may have a Chinese copy? I’d say get one from Amazon but they’ve unfortunately had quite a number of issues lately with imitation product sellers, so maybe try a verified seller locally in your area. I’ve also run with a 128 Sony card which handled continuous 4K up to card full kit.com/MichaelDrowley/all-my-gear/sony-sd-professional Important that you run XC I U3 95 and only a few specific XC II will work. See if yours is listed here... alikgriffin.com/best-memory-card-for-the-canon-5d-mark-iv/ hope that helps mate! Thanks for checking out my video
Main Focus Media You have 4!!! Sweet! I need to get me a few more! Haha
After watching this video, I decided to dig out my old SD cards and sure enough, my 128gb 95 mb/s SanDisk causes the camera to stop recording almost immediately. I tried an old 64gb SD card of the same make and it's recording 4k like a dream. So I think you're right, I was sold a dodgy SanDisk 95mb/s card by Amazon! Thanks so much for your video. Until today, I'd assumed my 5D couldn't write to the SD slot fast enough for 4k recording!
Hey Michael..thanks as ever for your super content. Just have a quick question from your 5Dmk4 days. On my 5d4 when shooting clog (canon upgrade) I get noise patterns in the shadows usually in the form of spontaneous lines that sometimes come and go. Sometimes they’re not there at all. Certain conditions seem to cause them. The log is correctly exposed. It happens from 400iso upwards. It happens on the 2 bodies I own which a roughly 5 numbers apart on the serials. Did you ever experience this?
Paul Michael Hughes Hey Thanks Paul! I did notice it yep, the 5D4 is very sensitive to banding in the blacks when pushing ISO’s higher than 400. A way I used to get around it is shoot at 320 ISO which lowers your native clog dynamic range but only by a fraction. This ISO I found to be the least noisy. I also got banding at 100 ISO but that was gradient banding from shadow to highlight - but again only visible in the blacks/shadows. I’d push the log exposure to over expose a fraction (maybe a stop) and then check that you can recover all highlights and if you can then you should see an improvement with banding in the blacks.
Michael Drowley You’re a star for getting back to me.. I’ve been paranoid my 2 bodies have a sensor fault. Not many people seem to talk about this issue much. Does the EOS R suffer from it too?
Paul Michael Hughes EOS R is much better although I am yet to test it extensively as I did with the 5D4. It’s always a little more tricky working with log on any camera though. When shot correctly though, the 5D4 produces the good in log! Other times I have had to denoise certain clips but it cleans up nicely. Check this out for the EOS R flexibility. Still with denoise pass required above about 1200 ISO - ua-cam.com/video/MVnQgkaBsPA/v-deo.html
Michael Drowley Nice one.. just made a cuppa. Will check it out. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
@@paulmichaelhughes7980 MOre than welcome mate! Go well with the 5D4, love that camera. The EOS R might be your next upgrade though, worthwhile in my opinion!
Hi friend, I hope you well. It been a while. I am using a 5D mark 4 . I have noticed the 50mm 1.4 is very wide on the 5D mark 4 but if you using 6D with the same lens you get exactly 50mm range.
The difference though is not that much but it kind of a pain to get use to
Do you have any idea what is the cause for this ?
thanks
Great vid. Thank you.
Team Taylor Thanks friends!
Hi Michael,
Thanks for the tips !
I get a question not directly connected to the topic :
Videos on my SD card are Ok, but not on the compactflash (SANDISK Carte Compact Flash Extreme Pro 128GB 160 MB/s)
I get some parasites and deformation on the footage no matter the settings (NTSC, PAL, 25fps, 50fps, 4k...)
Have you any clue to solve this problem ?
Have a nice day.
Philippe
Philippe Keller Hi Philippe! No worries, it’s a pleasure to make these videos! I have only heard of currupt files or buffer issues with faulty or imitation cards before. Did you purchase the card recently? If so, where did you buy it from? I have always been able to record full HD continuous to either card full or 30 minute limit in either 4K or HD on my CF 128 GB Lexar Pro 1066x 160MB/s UDMA 7. Also to my 64GB of the same type works flawlessly.
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks Michael. I shall check with other cards
When shooting 4K would it be possible to use a Ef-s/APsC wide lens if I used and extension tube ,I know you can get third party crop lens with the EF mount but wanted to make use of the gear I have already.
Hi Lewis, mate sorry I missed responding to your question! You can use EF-S lenses but with some restrictions. Check out some of the posts over on dp review to find out more, in particular read brightcolours response www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4160013
I think one of the possible problems with using EF-S glass is that they sit inside the body more, and the mirror of a full frame camera might hit them and get damaged.
How can I get a profesional sound like yours? What mic should I connect to the Canon 5D Mark IV?
Liza Ramos I’d go for the Rode Videomic Pro +! I often use the older Rode VideoMic Pro and I think in this video I used the Rode NTG2 recorded through my audio interface and synced up later. Hope that helps, thanks for your comment and question Liza!
I have the same sd card as you (128 gb version). And it usually stops recording after 5 minutes or so at 24 fps. Any idea why it does this?
David Makvandi Hey David, the 128GB version I have not tested for continuous writing in 4K but I have had success with a Sony Professional 95MB/S 128 GC card. The 256 GB card formats differently in camera and therefore the files do not split into 4GB chunks. Regardless it should handle the write speeds and the only other thing I can think of is that it is a fake or a copy card. That has been the case with other people.
My only guess would be that the camera is writing slightly faster than the SD card can download, maybe the camera has an internal storage that can back up only a certain amount of footage before it has to stop the recording so that it can catch up writing the footage to the card. Kind of like how if you’re shooting photos in burst on a crappy SD or CF card it can stop your shooting to finish writing all those photos.
@@markanderson7441 Yeah, that's the issue. The write buffer on the camera can't write it to the card quick enough. So the buffer fills up and then recording stops. It's not a problem with the right cards. Only thing I can suggest as I said to David is the card is a fake, OR, the 128 GB Sandisk Extreme Pro doesn't write quick enough, though I know for sure the exact same card in 256 is flawless for the full half an hour record time in 4K.
@@MichaelDrowley Just thought I should update. I bought the 256 gb card the other day and it records 4k no problem. The longest I have let it run is 10 min but pretty sure it would have recorded for the full thirty. Either there is something unique about the 256 gb version or I do have a fake card. Although I bought it on Amazon, and it handles everything else besides 4k like a champ. Thanks Michael.
@@Dm-it6xs Thanks for the update David, good to know I will steer others away from the 128 GB card! Glad the 256 card worked out well for you!
Dream camera 😥😥😥😥😥😥😥
Hi i have a question on shooting 4K videos!! Am using 128 Sandisk CF card and every time I shoot it says the movie recorded exceeds the 4g limit and it split in to two files if it’s a minute video or split in to two three and even four files if I shoot more than 4 , 5 minutes !! Why is that??
sanoj varghese Hey Sanoj, it’s because of the formatting of the card in fat32 has a 4GB file size limit so it splits the video file into multiple 4GB files. It won’t drop frames so shouldn’t be a problem. With a 256GB card you will be able to get one large file as the in camera formatting on the larger card is exfat.
So ur telling I can’t use 128gb CF card ??
sanoj varghese You can use them no problem, but it won’t create one continuous file. You’ll need an NLE like Premiere Pro to stitch the files together and export as one piece.
Michael Drowley I just spend 420$ for this card from a camera shop and it says it’s suitable for 4K videos ( the card am using is san disk extreme pro 128 gb 160 MBS udma 7
sanoj varghese As I said, The Card will record 4K continuos up to the 30 minute record limit. It will just split the recording over multiple files on the card.
Thanks!!
Hi! Have you ever used 5D4 with Ninja V?
Not with Ninja, only with Blackmagic video assist. I really want to get a Ninja for my EOS R!
@@MichaelDrowley I am curious to see if someone has used that combo before I buy Ninja V. If you hear or learn something post please, it would be highly appreciated. Enjoy!
Thanks for your videos! I went out and recorded my first video after watching your 'best settings' for the 5D and used the settings: FHD 59.94P ALL-I as I pretty much knew I wanted to slow mo 80% of the shots... I had my ISO set at 100 all day (outside), shutter speed was locked at 125, and then I just changed the fstop accordingly. Now i've put my footage into premiere I just feel it looks such bad quality? I'm completely new to film but don't understand what i'm doing wrong :( I don't have an ND or C LOG. Any tips would be fantastic.
Why do you think quality is bad? What picture profile did you shoot in? What lens did you use? Maybe you need to sharpen it a bit? You can use unsharp mask in premiere.
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks for replying so quick, really appreciate it! I was using my 35mm f/2 IS USM. I did add some sharpen in post but applied it through the 'creative' tab on an adjustment layer as opposed to unsharp mask... im not sure what that is! It still didn't look how I would have expected. I feel like my clips have no sharpness at all and look rather muddy. Do you think I should switch to 4k and then change back the FHD when I want to add slo mo? gahhh, lots to learn ! hahah!
@@daniellenoakes2103 4K will be better but you have to deal with the crop so you may need to go wider on your lens to say 24mm. You could also upscale it on a 4K timeline to give it a slight bump in quality. Getting a high end look from a 6 year old camera is a challenge but the 5D has a decent image to work with in both 4K and FHD.
@@MichaelDrowley Thanks for the suggestions, will give this a go! :) Hope you're doing well!
please does the EOS5D mark 4 comes with the clog already installed to it, I can't find it in my canon mark 4
KIMBI CHAH Hey Kimbi, some Mark IVs did not come with cLOG pre installed. If yours is one of those You have to send it to a Canon service centre and have it installed as a paid upgrade.
@@MichaelDrowley Can I not used EOS Utility to Install Clog?
KIMBI CHAH Hi Kimbi, you can’t load it like a picture profile. It requires a remapping of the sensor via canon service centre. Try the EOSHD or James Miller profiles if you’re just looking for picture profiles
Unfortunately the rolling shutter in 4K is absolutely terrible. I know this because I own the 5D IV since they exact day it came out. I’ve since moved o to other options for video. It remains my primary stills camera.
Thanks, for me the rolling shutter isn’t a problem really but it’s not as good as something with a global shutter. Great for stills too for sure! Thanks for checking out the video.
I would like to know if your 5d iv doesn't work the iso limit in video when set a maximum auto iso?
Rodrigo Hernández Ghiggino It works, however, only on normal picture profile modes. Not in clog setting.
@@MichaelDrowley
how strange it leaves me to establish but then it rises more than what is established
Rodrigo Hernández Ghiggino so for you is it rising too much and over exposing the shot? Is your exposure compensation set to the middle?
@@MichaelDrowley Exposure compensation it's in the middle. And i have the same problem. Can you check on your camera?
Rodrigo Hernández Ghiggino I will check it for you on Monday and report back. I don’t have my 5D4 anymore, but catching up with the new owner of it on Monday to shoot a comparison video between the 5D4 and the EOS R!
This video answer so many questions for me including questions I did not know I had!!!! I truly appreciate you putting all this together. The only question I have now is how what’s the max you could you could crop in on a 4k image without it affecting quality.?🙏🏼🙏🏼
How or where do I get cLog for my mk4?
Stephen Schuda Hi Stephen, you send it through to a Canon service centre that can handle the upgrade. Costs about $100
film with an L lens 85 mm - super charp video !!!
The much less expensive but smarter, lighter (more gimbal-friendly) EOS R is killing this camera for video (for stills it is still definitely the number one choice)
4:2:0 8-bit smaller file sizes, good EVF, swivel LCD, ND filter adapters, advanced AF with Digic 8, EF-S lens compatibility, UHS-II SD, C-Log included(!), 10-bit external output and so on
R.I.P. 5D IV for video - p.s.: just a joke, you can still use it, it is still not bad and does have Cinema 4k at 4:2:2 8-bit - thank you Canon for still crippling the R as much as possible.
padam19 Haha! Great comment. You missed focus peaking! Lol. Binge watched all the release videos on the R! Looks promising but yeah, still no 4K 60 or full HD 120. Won’t be holding my breath for that until the 1Dxmk3 releases. RF lenses look... expensive but that vari ND adaptor ring is an absolute mint idea!
The 5D IV is still better in a number of ways.
Probably the main reason to get the EOS R is compatibility with the RF glass.
That 28-70 f/2 lens, I mean, nobody else has a lens like it. Though it's not exactly cheap.
trying to find a real card have purchased a fake
Argh that sucks! Sorry for late reply. Did you end up finding a legit one?
Please u help me
Bits and stops are not at all the same thing!!!! You CANNOT get 12 bits video off a 5D Mark IV!!!
Robert Ruffo Yeah, you’re right Robert! Thanks for pointing that out. I clarified this mistake in a follow up video. Appreciate you checking it out.
Robert Ruffo My follow up apology at 3:00 in. ua-cam.com/video/k5t0qBkmWys/v-deo.html
My brain hurts from all the misinformation in this video.
Thanks for your comment Jeff, my apologies as admittedly I've got it wrong on bit depth - the camera only has the 8 bit 4.2.2 available in 4K. What I meant to say was 12 "stops" DR available when shooting in cLOG not 12 "bits." See Canon's own video; ua-cam.com/video/Ok8qfgdCDko/v-deo.html
lol
Only care about 1080p 30fps
dude, write your texts first :) it's very hard to follow what you're saying, it's like you're jumping around all over the place
Mihoc Liviu Thanks for the feedback Mihoc ! Appreciate you checking it out none the less and hope it helped you in some small way!
You would probably have 100x more subs if you speak in laymen's terms for general audience. Vloggers need your advice and they don't know anything. Would you be willing to consider trying to go back down the ladder a bit? There are so many of you photographers out there who are saying your preferences, and you are attracting other photographers who will only disagree (snobs....sorry). If you break it down in easy language and teach a little, you'll collect a bunch of dummies who will trust you more, because we know nothing. 😄
Hi Night Owls! Thanks so much for checking out my video! I really appreciate your insights, I will take it on board for sure and make sure I provide relevant content, not just to people already doing video but also those getting into video and starting out on a journey of vlogging!! I have a Patreon account setup for people who are just starting out in producing videos. On there I plan to do live streams and run through basics of film/photography and answer any questions you might have! Check it out, as I believe you will get value from it - bit.ly/2JeL65l Thanks again for checking out my videos!
@@MichaelDrowley I am on my 4th UA-cam account. I will sub from my other main account which is the one I'm always on as I do more uploads on that one. I'm just really looking for a good camera for lowlight videos. I like to keep it as simple as possible and have researched cameras for 2 years. I waste more time listening to stuff that's not helpful, as I'm trying to learn too much. Most vloggers just want it mid-range price so as not to replicate the look of a crappy cell phone, and have easy settings with great quality.
I am subbed on this channel but will join from the other so I can follow. Thanks. Good luck on your channel.
@@MichaelDrowley Subscribed now from my main channel. I'll check out your link. Thanks. Your videos are really nicely done. (Night Owls Int)
I have no idea what he's talking about.
ua-cam.com/video/xX6zOJpII7Q/v-deo.htmlsi=5k5lBmMyd4t19otZ
ua-cam.com/video/xX6zOJpII7Q/v-deo.htmlsi=5k5lBmMyd4t19otZ