At the end of the day, someone is going to use this product and make great videos with it. That's all that matters. Personally, I like giving up control of the image when using vintage glass. Setting limits on yourself can be creatively liberating. It's like shooting on a roll a film. With a digital camera and SD cards, you can shoot as long as you want, delete footage, review, etc. With film, you get what you get, and move on. That's how I feel about vintage lenses. All the imperfections are exciting to me as an artist. If a client doesn't like or want CA in the video, then I will just use a different set of lenses. Great video as always Spenser, my favorite shot is the one at the end actually. And the funk from the Baltar one is kind of cool too for an effect.
I ordered this months ago. Still waiting. Glad to see what it's doing. All of my vintage lenses have autofocus via the TZM--02 on my Z8 and I shoot with bubble bokeh lenses a lot. So looking at this, it's really familiar, but since I owned the Sigma 18-35 (gave it away because I don't like clinical lenses) when he takes it off of the Sigma, I now have some regrets. I like what I see so far. I wonder if it will be fun for photography too, but it's so easy to just mount character lenses on my TZM-02 and get sharpness and wild bokeh. What I'm hoping is that since I can adapt EF to E mount and then adapt E mount to Z mount and the electronics still work, I'm hoping the experience will be the same with this Tuner and I can still adapt to the Z mount with AF to take advantage of the IQ of the Z8 over my Sony gear (A7SIII, A7IV). Now what I'm really wondering is what this looks like when I do use vintage/manual lenses with it. I wasn't planning on that, but it seems to be very, very interesting.
Feel like this could be cool on L mount with the lumix primes. They’re already very filmic, so dialing in the L2 (that L1 is too much) instead of dealing with filter reflections would be nice. I use a cinebloom almost all the time to soften my lenses, so this would actually be really nice on the s5ii.
Mine arrived yesterday but I'm unable to use it due to the RF mount. Waiting for their PL and I'm going to swap out. (on their IG they mentioned that being a plan)
It's a cool idea, but a pretty pricy alternative to using vintage lenses. I have 2 FD lenses (55mm 1.2 and 24mm 2.8) and a Sigma 18-35 1.8. I just use the FilmConvert plugin to match. It gets the job done for a fraction of the cost. I'd be curious to test the L2 w/the Sigma and compare the image to my FD's. I suspect tweaking in post would still be necessary to match the image. Heck, some tweaking's necessary to match the image between my two FD's. For reference, my FD's have been converted to EF mounts and I shoot on a BMPCC 4K w/a Metabones BMPCC 4K - EF Ultra Cine speed booster.
Great video, thanks for taking the time to experiment with this interesting product but it's a no from me... it's a lot to expect from one adapter and unfortunately it fails badly. I have sets of FDs, CY Zeiss, Leica-R and Rokkors - you cannot emulate the focus rolloff, micro contrast, colour rendering etc. with one piece of glass. There is no magic bullet. Cheers
good lawd these comments ha wow people complain about the industry not innovating filmmaking projects, but when a company does, all we do is complain. SMH. Just like you Spenser, I am very excited for the product.
What's with all the hunting? Can constantly see the depth flicker quite a bit while you're talking, and it's not like you're moving forward or backward a lot. Looks pretty but jeeeez does it look inconsistent.
@@spensersakurai yeah but it makes it hard to evaluate the image when it's so soft and the focus is jumping around. If it were soft but steady, it would be easier to tell if I liked it or not.
@@spensersakurai wow no way I got a reply. Thank you soooo much. I have the a7iv and recently bought the 24-105 F4 and was thinking if it was possible to use the module 8. Such a shame. I wanted to stay with native lenses.
This looks pretty amazing, I mean that bokeh change on the lowest setting is awesome and for $3k you can get three completely different looks L1, L2 & L3 in one but also... $1.3k is hard to stomach for just one adapter that is as destructive as this, The biggest issue is being stuck in only EF, and PL lenses only. Most of my lenses are now E-Mount and NOT even available in EF.
Hey Spencer. Frankly, I'm liking the bare 18-35 without the tuner as it takes out a bit too much contrast and sharpness. For the price of what I'm guessing is at least a couple hundred $ why not pick up an actual vintage lens + can build a whole set later.
I use vintage glass alot, but this lens ain't for me.... But it's interesting. I'm recently dusting off my Anamorphics as I just picked up a single focus range finder🎥🙏👍🏼🎥🙏👍🏼🎥🙏👍🏼
Two things… is this causing the auto focus to be awful or is that just a settings issue on the Red? (I have never operated a Red with auto focus) 2) the chromatic aberration looks very unusable, the green in your beard makes it look like you are in front of a green screen and it was poorly keyed out. These issues may simply be unnoticeable if you edit on a laptop or small screen but it’s blatant on my projector. Would love to know more if you dig in and perhaps have some kind of follow up as this could be a great piece of kit if this is more user error rather then baked in issues. Love the channel! P.s. wonder what if any impact it would have on anamorphic flares.
From the Samples it looks more like a detuner. I do like both the 18-35 and vintage lenses, but this adapter doesn´t deliver on an image quality side for me. I get using a mist filter can give you a special look and "take the edge off", but this seems like a case of turning it to 11 and degrading the image quality of the lenses to a degree, that takes the vintage-look too far.
For me looks really bad, is like super sharp and weird. It lacks all the vintage característics that sales the vintage looks. Btw love you videos haha not the product
The combo of pulsing AF and L2 (de)tuner is really jarring to me. The actual Canon ND delivered a much better and still vintage-y image. To me, this is 100% snake oil, sorry. For what this costs, you can buy a whole cart of old lenses that do a better job costing less or the same. Especially if you go for nFD lenses.
This is another overpriced gimmick from moment… I’m sure after a small while they will sell it for 200 bucks… all their gimmick products followed the path including anamorphic drone adapter
Anyone who wants a detuned aesthetic with delving deep into the lens mechanics? Are you saying that detuning lenses is pointless? That panavision shouldn't exist?
At the end of the day, someone is going to use this product and make great videos with it. That's all that matters. Personally, I like giving up control of the image when using vintage glass. Setting limits on yourself can be creatively liberating. It's like shooting on a roll a film. With a digital camera and SD cards, you can shoot as long as you want, delete footage, review, etc. With film, you get what you get, and move on. That's how I feel about vintage lenses. All the imperfections are exciting to me as an artist. If a client doesn't like or want CA in the video, then I will just use a different set of lenses. Great video as always Spenser, my favorite shot is the one at the end actually. And the funk from the Baltar one is kind of cool too for an effect.
this is EXACTLY the kind of review ive been very much wanting to see
Great stuff Spenser! Thanks for this video! Can’t wait to get mine!
I love you exactly the combo i was thinking to match!
I think the coatings of the FDs makes the light slightly more diffuse. Gives it that nice falloff.
cool results. I do hope to see more footages and reviews of it.
I ordered this months ago. Still waiting. Glad to see what it's doing. All of my vintage lenses have autofocus via the TZM--02 on my Z8 and I shoot with bubble bokeh lenses a lot. So looking at this, it's really familiar, but since I owned the Sigma 18-35 (gave it away because I don't like clinical lenses) when he takes it off of the Sigma, I now have some regrets. I like what I see so far. I wonder if it will be fun for photography too, but it's so easy to just mount character lenses on my TZM-02 and get sharpness and wild bokeh. What I'm hoping is that since I can adapt EF to E mount and then adapt E mount to Z mount and the electronics still work, I'm hoping the experience will be the same with this Tuner and I can still adapt to the Z mount with AF to take advantage of the IQ of the Z8 over my Sony gear (A7SIII, A7IV). Now what I'm really wondering is what this looks like when I do use vintage/manual lenses with it. I wasn't planning on that, but it seems to be very, very interesting.
Feel like this could be cool on L mount with the lumix primes. They’re already very filmic, so dialing in the L2 (that L1 is too much) instead of dealing with filter reflections would be nice.
I use a cinebloom almost all the time to soften my lenses, so this would actually be really nice on the s5ii.
Here for the T/2.8 love ❤
Mine arrived yesterday but I'm unable to use it due to the RF mount. Waiting for their PL and I'm going to swap out. (on their IG they mentioned that being a plan)
It's a cool idea, but a pretty pricy alternative to using vintage lenses. I have 2 FD lenses (55mm 1.2 and 24mm 2.8) and a Sigma 18-35 1.8. I just use the FilmConvert plugin to match. It gets the job done for a fraction of the cost. I'd be curious to test the L2 w/the Sigma and compare the image to my FD's. I suspect tweaking in post would still be necessary to match the image. Heck, some tweaking's necessary to match the image between my two FD's. For reference, my FD's have been converted to EF mounts and I shoot on a BMPCC 4K w/a Metabones BMPCC 4K - EF Ultra Cine speed booster.
THere seems to be more focus breathing with Tuners L2 and L1? I would love to test the L3 tuner Greets from Berlin!
Great video, thanks for taking the time to experiment with this interesting product but it's a no from me... it's a lot to expect from one adapter and unfortunately it fails badly. I have sets of FDs, CY Zeiss, Leica-R and Rokkors - you cannot emulate the focus rolloff, micro contrast, colour rendering etc. with one piece of glass. There is no magic bullet. Cheers
good lawd these comments ha wow people complain about the industry not innovating filmmaking projects, but when a company does, all we do is complain. SMH. Just like you Spenser, I am very excited for the product.
I should never be surprised by the comments but I always am! I think the Tuner is really cool and Im definitely going to use it on some projects.
@@spensersakurai same bro and awesome can't wait to see what you make. Maybe we do a collab one day and recreate a few scenes
GFX mount would be cool
What about the L3 my friend? Cant find any decent footage of the damn thing.
I think It could be very interesting for something like the samyang mk II
What's with all the hunting? Can constantly see the depth flicker quite a bit while you're talking, and it's not like you're moving forward or backward a lot.
Looks pretty but jeeeez does it look inconsistent.
That’s just komodo autofocus
@@spensersakurai ouff, ok.
Hey Bro! So the shot at 1:21 is done with the L2 right?
correct
The autofocus hunting and focus breathing really hurts it...
I mean that’s just the Komodo in that environment regardless
@@spensersakurai yeah but it makes it hard to evaluate the image when it's so soft and the focus is jumping around. If it were soft but steady, it would be easier to tell if I liked it or not.
What's the difference with something like a mist filter?
Mist filter wont have direct impact on bokeh and aberration. This is adds way more character and flexibility
Can you use them on Sony with Sony glass?
Sony to Sony is impossible
@@spensersakurai wow no way I got a reply. Thank you soooo much. I have the a7iv and recently bought the 24-105 F4 and was thinking if it was possible to use the module 8. Such a shame. I wanted to stay with native lenses.
Ef mount is outdated but I think lenses with ef will be in high demand
Yeah I’m just referring to cameras with native ef mounts. More than the lenses themselves
This looks pretty amazing, I mean that bokeh change on the lowest setting is awesome and for $3k you can get three completely different looks L1, L2 & L3 in one but also... $1.3k is hard to stomach for just one adapter that is as destructive as this, The biggest issue is being stuck in only EF, and PL lenses only. Most of my lenses are now E-Mount and NOT even available in EF.
Fd 35 mm bokeh looks creamier. The sigma with the tuner bokeh looks sharp
Hey Spencer. Frankly, I'm liking the bare 18-35 without the tuner as it takes out a bit too much contrast and sharpness. For the price of what I'm guessing is at least a couple hundred $ why not pick up an actual vintage lens + can build a whole set later.
I use vintage glass alot, but this lens ain't for me.... But it's interesting. I'm recently dusting off my Anamorphics as I just picked up a single focus range finder🎥🙏👍🏼🎥🙏👍🏼🎥🙏👍🏼
Two things… is this causing the auto focus to be awful or is that just a settings issue on the Red? (I have never operated a Red with auto focus)
2) the chromatic aberration looks very unusable, the green in your beard makes it look like you are in front of a green screen and it was poorly keyed out.
These issues may simply be unnoticeable if you edit on a laptop or small screen but it’s blatant on my projector.
Would love to know more if you dig in and perhaps have some kind of follow up as this could be a great piece of kit if this is more user error rather then baked in issues.
Love the channel!
P.s. wonder what if any impact it would have on anamorphic flares.
Yeah just autofocus being jumpy. Not as good as canon or sony.
From the Samples it looks more like a detuner. I do like both the 18-35 and vintage lenses, but this adapter doesn´t deliver on an image quality side for me. I get using a mist filter can give you a special look and "take the edge off", but this seems like a case of turning it to 11 and degrading the image quality of the lenses to a degree, that takes the vintage-look too far.
Audio is unbearably quiet on this one
Sorry you don't have volume buttons
The vintage lenses looked better without this.
For me looks really bad, is like super sharp and weird.
It lacks all the vintage característics that sales the vintage looks.
Btw love you videos haha not the product
The combo of pulsing AF and L2 (de)tuner is really jarring to me. The actual Canon ND delivered a much better and still vintage-y image. To me, this is 100% snake oil, sorry. For what this costs, you can buy a whole cart of old lenses that do a better job costing less or the same. Especially if you go for nFD lenses.
I don’t think the Tuner functions as pitched. If it really did emulate perfectly that would be something.
why would you expect a 1300 adapter to emulate a 30k lens?
They sell it as a K35 emulation. That's their bad. They shouldn’t say that.
Too expensive
Great video but product is not for me.
This is another overpriced gimmick from moment… I’m sure after a small while they will sell it for 200 bucks… all their gimmick products followed the path including anamorphic drone adapter
who needs this crap?
Anyone who wants a detuned aesthetic with delving deep into the lens mechanics? Are you saying that detuning lenses is pointless? That panavision shouldn't exist?
overhyped horse manuer. i have better ways to spend 1300$. cheers.
Typical snake oil. You can achieve same results using cheap vintage lenses in combination with software